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@golpen

1. Which books revealed to the past prophets is the verse referring to? As I said before, in order to avoid lengthening this discussions, always don't leave room for suspense.

2. Native intelligence is not applicable to spiritual things as they are far beyong human imaginations. Can you imagine or feel how a witch siphones blood without a pipe? So you can not have my feelings if you are not in my spiritual condition.

There are two occasions when christians speak in tongues. When praying and when prophesying. The whole church can speak in tongues at the same time when praying. 1Cor. 14:27 is talking about when prayer has been stopped and suddenly some people begin to speak in tongues aloud, wanting to prophesy. It should be done orderly in order not to create confusion.

3. The NT is the spiritual fulfilment of the OT. The problems people had in the OT is what Jesus came to solve. The fault was in the way they were implementing the laws. Jesus came to summarize the so many laws they had into two: love your God with all your heart and love your neigbours, and with that all the laws are fulfiled.

I have told you individuals' opinions are not separated from the words of God and both are called the Scriptures. If in the Bible it is written '' And Samuel said....''. Is that God's word or Samuel's?

John 5:31 - Is talking about God testifying (bearing WITNESS) to Jesus Ministry and not Himself bearing His own WITNESS.

John 8:14 - Is talking about RECORDS not WITNESS. Records here means PROFILE. Jesus profile: where He came from and where He was going etc.

I notice all you are bringing up have been repeated severally by other people on this site, which I had attended to.

@ayenny02

Let me ask you some questions:

1. You said fair Christians scholars accepted that the Injeel is not the New Testament. Who were the Christian scholars? Please state your source. Because I have seen a situation where in a public religious debate, a muslim pretended to be a pastor and defended the Bible weakly and surrendered at the end of the debate. There is nothing the Devil cannot do to deceive.

2. You said the Taurat is not the OT and the Injeel is not NT. Where is the Taurat and the Injeel today?

The contents of the Gospel: the New Testament is what we believe and practice and we see God's response to our faith - MIRACLES. The muslims who falsely claim they have the original word of Allah have no God's signs and wonders to back up their claims. What we see is writing on EGGS, TREE, ROCK, UNDER THE BRIDGES. How is that a benefit to humanity?

@ayenny02

@ golpen

Before we can proceed, I want some things you said cleared:

1. ''......but the verse you have quoted does not make any reference to the bible''. Then what is the verse talking about?

2. ''I understand how you must have felt witnessing the holy spirit bringing you to speak in tongues''. How do you understand my feeling as you have not experienced the baptism of the Holy Spirit before? Again you said: ''......which is not allowed according to the bible''. How do you mean? Please when you make an assertion you don't leave it open. You have to explain what you mean with proof. You don't need to be born a Christian before you can have the baptism of the Holy Spirit. There are many converted muslims who now speak with new tongues.

3. The God of the OT is the God of the NT. No fault. The NT is the spiritual fulfilment of the OT. Besides no human can understand God completely, our knowledge of Him is limited to the extent He revealed Himself to us.

On the contradictions, your quotation are too long. As you know, a question of few letters can take pages to answer. I will attempt to answer some of them.They are not new things, they are things I have seen severally on the internet. Like hadith they fall under human errors (not God's) and misinterpretations.

When men make mistake it can be overlooked. What do you say of Allah making mistakes e.g
Allah created man from clot - Fluid (Quran 96:2), and Adam and Jesus created from dust (Quran 3:59). Can you see that? If Allah created man from clot, whose clot did he use to create Adam? Clot is applicable only in procreation, not in creation. Many contradictions like that. Can the true God make such mistakes?

@ golpen

Thanks for your gentle approach. My concern is the possibity of us being friends on continued or continuous basis because most times, arguments generate strifes.

Question 1. If Allah is the same God of the Bible and He said NOTHING can change His words, quoting His words in the Quran, it means the Scripture, which is His earlier revelations cannot be changed by any man. If man changed it, it means the word of Allah is not true because He said NOTHING can change His words.

Question 2. I am a preacher and a leader in a church by His grace and I have witnessed the efficacy of the words of God as contained in the Bible times without number.

John 14:16-17 & 26 - Jesus promised us of the Comforter, the Holy Spirit. In Acts 1:8 the Bible says we shall receive power after the Holy Spirit is come upon us. The Holy Spirit (Comforter) came upon the Disciples as Jesus promised (Acts, Chapter 2). This is the fulfilment or efficacy of Jesus word in the Bible. This promise is not only for the Disciples but all believers.

My personal experience: when I was new in Christ, I was taught of the necessity to have the Holy Spirit, without which nobody can fulfil the righteosness of God. That God is a Spirit and to be able to operate in the same frequency with Him, man must have the Holy Spirit inside him.

Because of that teaching, which I took very seriously, I was searching for the Holy Spirit. The day He came to my life, I felt a power inside me and my mouth suddenly opened and I started speaking in tongues. It was in the church on a Sunday and the prayer point was 'Seeking the Holy Spirit'. It happened in June, 1981 and since then, my life has not been the same anymore. I began to see miracles hapen when I pray because I can communicate with God in the spirit. I have witnessed many miracles by praying in the Holy Ghost. Those are my reasons for having VERY STRONG BELIEF in the Bible. What it says came live in my life.

Question 3. The are no contradictions in God's word in the Bible. What people call contrandictions are places where Humans expressed their individual opinions, which differed one from the other.

Unlike in Islam where individual statements are separated from the Quran, which you call Hadiths, both are combined in the Bible.

Thank you.

I wonder why the long arguments.

Bukhari Hadith 5:713:
Narrated Aisha: The Prophets in his AILMENT in WHICH HE DIED, used to say ''O Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the FOOD I ATE AT KHAIBAR, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from the POISON.

In all the stories about Muhammad's death, there is nowhere 'WOUND' in battle was mentioned either by himself or someone else, it is all about POISON in all hadiths. Is tbaba trying to write his own hadith to counter the existing ones by saying wound in battle killed him? Okay: trying to 'perfect it?'

This thread is based on the assumption that Allah is the True Almighty God of the Bible

Pickthall 6:115
Perfected is the Word of thy Lord in truth and justice. THERE IS NAUGHT (i.e nothing) THAT CAN CHANGE HIS WORDS. He is the Hearer, the Knower.

Here Allah (God) states clearly that there is NOBODY or NOTHING that can change His Words.

Pickthall 10:64
Theirs are good tidings in the life of the world and in the Hereafter - THERE IS NO CHANGING THE WORDS OF ALLAH - That is the SUPREME TRIUMPH.

Here again Allah (God) says 'there is no changing His Words'. That is saying such thing does not exist. His Supreme Triumph is that His Words cannot be changed by man. He supremely triumphed over man.

How come muslims say the Bible (Allah's Words) has been changed or corrupted? Where was Allah when that was being done? Where is His 'Supreme Triumph? No doubt, saying that man had changed Allah's words amounts to ascribing higher power to man.

Those who claim or believe that the Bible has been corrupted or changed are only disgracing God. They are making His word a NULLITY. They are saying man triumphed over God UNLESS AND UNLESS ALLAH WHO SPOKE IN THE QURAN IS NOT THE GOD OF THE BIBLE. Unless Allah is a different 'god' entirely.

@ ayenny02

You are still making defence using contradictions in your religious books. Sahih Bukhari was saying the muslims are in Hellfire today and it is the Jews and Christians tomorow. Now you are not calling him a liar but the OP who quoted him. How do you people reason? Is it that when you practice islam your natural senses are replaced with islamic manipulations?

There is nothing like the Jews and the Christians in Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 12, Number 770, all the people in Hellfire there are muslims. If in Volume 9, No. 532B the same Sahih Bukhari is talking about the Jews and Christians, what it means is that your islamic apostles did not know what they were doing. They are all LIARS. They are not only unstable but confusionists of the highest order.

The same is happening to you people who follow them. You use the various contradictions in your religious Books as a defence one for another. Sahih Bukhari made a categorical statement. He later contradicted himself and you people now use his contraction and foolishness as a defence for each other.

Let me illustrate my statements further in case you don't understand my explanations so that you will not post nonsense as a reply:

Sahih Bukhari said muslims are in hellfire. Later he said it is the Jews and the Christians. Somebody later reported that Sahih Bukhari said muslims are in hellfire. Now instead of blaming Sahih Bukhari for telling LIES you are blaming the person who reported him. Who is at fault? The LIAR or the REPORTER?

But I know that Allah had decreed that all muslims will have an experience of hellfire before some will be able to cross a bridge to heaven.

Pickthall 19:72
Then We shall RESCUE those who kept from evil, and leave the evildoers crouching THERE.

That quranic verse implies that muslims are already in HELL. Those among them in hellfire who kept from evil shall be RESCUED. The evilldoers shall be LEFT THERE. So clear.

Note the words RESCUE and LEAVE. Rescue is a word used for those in trouble. By LEAVE it means they are not removed from where they are (hellfire) while some are being rescued.

If you quote another reference as usual that contradicts that, it shows islam is a confusion.

ayenny02: If I say a harsh word to you I know what you will turn it to and run away but I hope you are the OP, so you can run away and I still believe that you are still going to run awayI just remind you how you ran away from the contradiction I asked to explain, and am still expecting you to do the same here
Your topic of your thread is "Muslim are in hellfire pending the ressurection day" am I right?

Also, your brought the Hadith that saying about what will happen to Muslim, Christians, jews and idolators in the judgement day and that all christians, jews and idolators will rust in hell fire forever while the Muslims who do evils in the world will be punished for his evil deeds in this world and later Allah will remove him from hellfire because he is a muslims

Can't you see how you lied and contradict yourself with the Topic and the proof you brought.

The question you should ask is that "Where Muslims will be before the judgement day and look for Hadith that support it not unrelated one?

DO YOU UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can now see your problem. You have problem in understanding English. The topic is not a statement but a question, meaning if what I said is not so, explain what it is using my source of information.

I know you cannot reproduce Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 12, Number 770 and explain the meaning, relating it with Quran 19:72. There is no way you can change the meaning because people will laugh at you.

ayenny02: You still continue with your lies, have you not seen my explanation how you lied and contradict urself abt the topic and hadith you quoted.

I am still expecting you to answer my contradiction I asked you to defend and I believe you will still run away from here too (liar)

What nonsense is this?

Did you ever explain the exact references in any of your posts on NL. Instead of explaining the OP reference, it is your strategy to refer to a completely different quotation that contradicts the reference as your defence.

In this particular thread, where did you quote and explain the EXACT hadith referred to by the OP. Did you not quote another contradictory hadith as your defence? Are both hadiths not from islam? If they contradict each other, is that not error in your religion?

Reproduce Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 12, Number 770. Explain it and let people see your ignorance or otherwise.

Opey4luv: All those are to disguise from what they are really there for.
REMEMBER THAT after the Presidential seat was lost my a certain Northerner, he said that, he will MAKE Nigeria UNGOVERNABLE FOR THE ELECTED PRESIDENT and true to his words, he has done just that.

I believe the man's statement could be just a coincidence. Nigeria is not the only country where we see muslims killing in the name of islam.

I personally know a Yoruba muslim man who threatened to kill a woman, saying he would receive a reward (lada) because the woman is a Christian if killed. What about that? Why is it that muslims are known for killing at the slightest provocation? Don't you think is islamic spirit and not politics?

It is one thing to say something in religion, it is another to act upon it. It is easier said than done. Most of the religious crisis in northern Nigeria started after jumath services. Infact they moved from the mosque to start murdering innocent souls. What about that? Politics?

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vedaxcool: Ayenny and lanxre, have in all words refuted the op and expose the undercurrents of evangelism by lies, when an individual simply sits in the corner of his room and invent falsehood to fool non save himself!

Now, the hypocritical op says Allah promises christian and jesus paradise in the Qur'an, now the implication is that you accept Allah to be God, and hence his words in the Qur'an to be true, but what did Allah say about Jesus?

Not his son but the son of mary,

Should not be worshiped

Didn't not die on the cross!

Gospels christians hold is brimming with errors,

Trinity is false

Jesus worked miracles only with the power of Allah!

Etc

So that simply is the implication of making your self serving argument that Allah promised jesus and christian paradise (a verse you twist out of context)

Furthermore when people die including muslims their soul are kept in what is called Barzakh, a sort of partition till the day of judgement!

Till when there comes to one of
them the death he says: "My Rabb
(Lord), send me back. That I may
work righteousness in the things I
neglected." Never, it is but a word
he says. And beyond them is a
Barzakh until the day they are
raised up." Qur'an 23: 99-100.

You people shout lies, lies, lies to cover up, when infact you are the real LIARS.

Where did you see lies? Am I the writer of the hadith I quoted or is the quranic verse that butressed the hadith my own version?

Anything that does not go down well with you or your religion is a lie even if it is the truth.

Go back to the hadith (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 12, Number 770) and give us your own interpretations, relating it with the quran 19:72 and show how it is different from mine.

A situation where a place is quoted in hadith or quran and instead of explaining it, you quote another place that contradicts it as defence is not acceptable. What that means is that one hadith or Surah is correct and the other is wrong and both are islamic beliefs. That is exactly what you people do to call the OP a liar. It only means LIES are in your Books and not the OP.

striktlymi: Hey truthman,

Trying to pick a fight?

No sir. How?

And yet one of their demands is islamization of Nigeria. They read the whole quran on their victims before they cruelly murdered them. They are playing politics of islam.

ayenny02: Your questions has been answered.

I can't see where you stated Muhammad's and other muslims' condition or position after they have died pending resurrection day apart from Hellfire we saw in the Hadith and Quran. Where?

pointblank 321: Can the muslims say categorically where Muhammad and other dead muslims are now before Resurrection Day with authoritative reference?

@ ayenny02 & lanrexlan

Can't you answer the question? All are waiting for you.

The two of you: ayenny02 and lanrexclan think you are making sense. People would have discovered you are not.

The sensible and educated ones among you like tbaba, ghazzal, maclatunji etc cannot say the nonsense you are saying because of their integrity.

But you can just say anything, you just have to defend you religion even if you have to say nonsense. You are deceiving yourselves.

@ lanrexlan

May God forgive you for denying the truth and trying to confuse the innocent muslims who should cry to Jesus for salvation.

The first hadith said the muslims will be called from HELLFIRE identifying them with the mark of prostrations. It says it is only the mark of prostrations that will not be consumed by Fire and they will COME OUT OF FIRE as mere skeletons to cross the bridge to Paradise.

Muhammad will be the first to cross. All other muslims will be shouting 'Save us, Save us'. It is a pity nobody can be saved from Hell.

Do you call those people with the mark of prostrations in HELLFIRE Christians? Do Christians have mark of prostrations?

You just went and cooked something to counter the truth. May God forgive you. Your integrity on NL is at stake as a poster. Nobody will take you seriously again.

Quran 19:72
But We shall save those who guarded againt evil and We shall LEAVE the wrongdoers THEREIN (humbled) to their kneels.

This quranic verse testifies to the hadith by saying the JUST will be saved (taken out) from the HELLFIRE they are inside and the EVILDOERS will be LEFT THEREIN (inside it).

This clearly means ALL muslims are inside HELLFIRE including Muhammad and on the Day of Resurrection, the just will be taken out and the evildoers will be left inside it. So clear. It is only a DULLARD that will dispute this.

If the hadith is wrong, is Allah too wrong in the Surah 19:72 that I explained above?

Allah had decreed that ALL muslims will go to HELLFIRE and nobody can change His decree.

I wonder the unusual silence by muslims on NL . Nothing to say?

I challenge tbaba, ghazzal, deols, maclatunji and the likes to speak out now or stop promoting islam luring and enticing people to Hellfire.

How I wished the message got to all innocent muslims in the whole world to warn them of their impending ETERNAL danger.

No one knows ISLAM more than Allah and Muhammad. They had declared what the end of all muslims will be - HELLFIRE.

golpen: Thank you very much sire.
Surah 14:4 says,
"We sent NOT AN APOSTLE, except to teach in the language of his own people, in order to make things clear to them. Now God leaves straying those whom He pleases, and guides whom He pleases; and He is exalted in power, full of wisdom"

This verse of the Qur'an, I think, is backing the point I've made earlier, that the best way to translate a language is by that particular language. According to the verse, God has sent all apostles, the likes of Moses, Abraham and JESUS inclusive, to communicate with their people in their own respective languages, so that they can adequately absorb the message. How would you patronise a trader who communicates with you in a language you don't understand?

It is by this means of getting their FOLKS adequately informed, that can make the MESSAGE/GOSPEL itself reach other parts of the world.

I hope that answers your question sir. God bless you sire.

Thank you very much.

Islam teaches that ALL muslims will be in Hellfire till the Day of Resurrection when they will cross to Heaven. The Bible says NO.

Luke 16:19-26
Luke 16:19
There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously everyday:

Luke 16:20
And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

Luke 16:21
And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

Luke 16:22
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

Luke 16:23
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Luke 16:24
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

Luke 16:25
But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

Luke 16:26
And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

In the above we are made to understand that it is not possible to cross from Hell to Heaven.

Let us see the islamic point of view:

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 12 Number 770
Narated By Abu Huraira : The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He replied, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the full moon on a clear (not cloudy) night?" They replied, "No, O Allah's Apostle!" He said, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?" They replied in the negative. He said, "You will see Allah (your Lord) in the same way. On the Day of Resurrection, people will be gathered and He will order the people to follow what they used to worship. So some of them will follow the sun, some will follow the moon, and some will follow other deities; and only this nation (Muslims) will be left with its hypocrites. Allah will come to them and say, 'I am Your Lord.' They will say, 'We shall stay in this place till our Lord comes to us and when our Lord will come, we will recognize Him. Then Allah will come to them again and say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'You are our Lord.' Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a bridge) will be laid across Hell and I (Muhammad) shall be the first amongst the Apostles to cross it with my followers. Nobody except the Apostles will then be able to speak and they will be saying then, 'O Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.'

There will be hooks like the thorns of Sa'dan in Hell. Have you seen the thorns of Sa'dan?" The people said, "Yes." He said, "These hooks will be like the thorns of Sa'dan but nobody except Allah knows their greatness in size and these will entangle the people according to their deeds; some of them will fall and stay in Hell forever; others will receive punishment (torn into small pieces) and will get out of Hell, till when Allah intends mercy on whomever He likes amongst the people of Hell, He will order the angels to take out of Hell those who worshipped none but Him alone. The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the traces of prostrations, for Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. So they will come out of the Fire, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations. AT THAT TIME THEY WILL COME OUT OF THE FIRE as mere skeletons..............

The Quran again confirms the above hadith in:

[Shakir 19:68] So by your Lord! We will most certainly gather them together and the Shaitans, then shall We certainly cause them to be present round hell on their knees.

[Shakir 19:69] Then We will most certainly draw forth from every sect of them him who is most exorbitantly rebellious against the Beneficent Allah.

[Shakir 19:70] Again We do certainly know best those who deserve most to be burned therein.

[Shakir 19:71] And THERE IS NOT ONE OF YOU BUT SHALL COME TO IT; this is an unavoidable decree of your Lord.

[Shakir 19:72] And We will deliver those who guarded (against evil), and We will LEAVE the unjust THEREIN on their knees.

It shows ALL muslims will be in HELL first before the Day of Resurrection for an indefinite period of time. Then on the Day of Resurrection Muhammad wii be the first to cross from Hell to Paradise. Evildoers will attempt to cross but will fall inside it.

My muslim brothers and sisters, you don't have to go to Hell first if you come to Jesus. How long can you afford to be inside Hell: 1 year, 20 years, 1000 years? Run for your life. Jesus said in my Father's house there are many mansions, He has gone to prepare a place for us that where He is there we will also be (John 14:2).

@ golpen

I don't have any confusions or problems in understanding the quran at all, especially the English translations. I bought a copy of the quran by Pickthall since 1980 or thereabout. I also read other translations on the net.

It is the muslims and the quran itself that create the impression that it cannot be perfectly understood in any other language but arabic. If so, what's the point translating it?

But what do you have to say to Sura 14:4 that gives an impression that Muhammad was sent ONLY to his FOLK, who could understand his message clearly?

ijawkid: SMH!!!!!.......

It is either we can see God or we cannot see God..........

The scriptures says NO MAN hath sEen God at Ànytime....even Jesus told us that with his own mouth.............

You guys should concede to the basic truth that God is not 3 in 1 and that Jesus is lesser than His Father..........

1 corinthians 11:3.......

Then what are your interpretations of the following Bible passages?

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

John 10:30
I and my Father are one

ijawkid: Why must it be Jesus who should be subservient all the time??.....why can't the Father for once be under the son??........

Is the Father too proud or what??.......why can't for once in this life Jesus send the Father on an errand??.........why??........

How is that Jesus' GOD is the Father and not vice versa??........

Make ona read scriptures complete before ona run into conclusion o......

God the Father is a Spirit, which no man can see and live. God the Holy Spirit is invisible to man. God relates with man through God the Son who came in human form, which man can see.

With God nothing shall be impossible. He can do anything the way He wants it done.

He is capable of dividing His Being into any number but decide to divinde into Three but is still the same God.

He functions in three offices. The office of the Father, the office of the Son, and the office of the Holy Spirit depending on the work He wants to perform.

He became human (Son) to be able to dwell among man. When He decided in His mercy to give man salvation through the shedding of sinless blood, He functioned in the office of the Son.

The above is my opinion and understanding of the Godhead. We shall understand it better by and by.

It is a popular saying among muslims that the Quran can only be truly and perfectly understood in arabic.

If those islamic scholars who transtated it to other languages did not get it right, what can be said of you people who are not as knowledgeable as they are. It means all of you are going about with wrong meaning of the Book in your head.

Why do you have to practice a religion you don't perfectly understand? The religion is not for you as non-Arabs.

Pickthall 14:4
And We never sent a messenger save with the language of his FOLK, that he might make (the message) clear for them.......

The above says Muhammad was sent to the Arabs who can understand his message clearly. This might be the reason you interpret IQRA to mean read and recite.

Consider these confusions in the quran: Quran is a clear Arabic speech (Sura16:103). None knows its explanations save Allah. But MEN of understanding heed it (Sura 3:7).

1. If it is a CLEAR arabic speech, how come nobody knows its explanations? How clear?

2. If nobody knows its explanations except Allah, how do MEN of understanding heed it as they don't understand it? Are those MEN equal to Allah in knowledge?

3. Quran is made easy to understand (Sura 54:22). How is it made easy when it takes only Allah to understand it.

Yet you say there are no contradictions in the Quran. The problem is: how do you explain these contradictions as you don't understand the quran perfectly an a non-Arab?

If Boko Haram are not MUSLIMS, who are they? Christians?

Pastor AIO: I give up!

No winner, No vanquished. God bless you real good.

@ ayenny02

When Moses received revelation he saw a picture and heard a voice. Mary and Zachariah saw Gabriel and heard his voice. What all of these people heard were put down in writing. How did Muhammad receive his first revelation he was sent to recite? In writing, picture or voice.

What did Gabriel tell him at his first appearance that he expected him to recite as the first thing he said was Read/Recite? He had never said anythimg to him before he ordered him to READ/RECITE. Read/Recite what? A lying spirit (Satan). So simple to detect.


I have to stop my discussions with you. I can see you are already high with islamic spirit -VIOLENCE. My defending you contradictions, which I have already written down in my note is a waste of time.

But one thing is clear: the objective readers out there would have drawn there conclusions.

Finally, what you call contradictions, which you copied from anti-christ sites and pasted everywhere are not true.

You call them contradictions because of your carnal and shallow knowledge of the Bible. There are many passages of the Bible you have alleged as contradictions in this thread that I have clearly explained to you. Your new contradictions are the same thing - lack of the Spirit and Knowledge to understand the Bible.

I leave you in the hand of the Lord but remenber, despite the nature of the quran, Allah knows Jesus is the Saviour (MESSIAH). Quran 4:171

Jesus has been revealing Himself to many muslims, buddist, etc, those who received God's mercy. I pray you will one of them.