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wytecat:
You are suffering from inferiority complex and you will forever do.

Use your head girl, only the conquered adopt from their conqueror just like Yoruba is written all over Bini culture, but no single thing about Bini in Yoruba culture, so Bini was a branch of Yoruba.

Oba Akiolu couldn't have said that cos his name and culture is Yoruba. nothing about him suggest otherwise. Even if he says that it still has NOTHING too do with the present day Bini, it could only have been the same as Itsekiri who claim to be from Bini but speak Yoruba dialect, and not Bini, meaning the inhabitants spoke Yoruba.

The bottom line is that the ancient Bini have nothing to do with you, they were more of Yoruba than any other.

hahaha,

ignorance is a disease. If you do not wish to learn then I'll leave you with your ignorance.

I am not a girl! I am a man.


Since you are claiming that the present day binis are not the real ones, are you aware the current Oba of Lagos wrote a letter to the current Oba of bini and told him "I am your humble servant...", while reminding him that his ancestors was sent by a previous Oba of bini to rule.

The fact you do not know these little details make your ignorance pitifful.

emrain:
if the bolded text is not worship, I wonder what it is.

the bloded says "...pray for us sinner...", how does translate to worship?

Jozzy4:
A p.ost filled with personal assumptions and some unscriptural death and rebirth days celebration . No single scripture

you are becoming unneccesarily defensive. I am not fighting with you.

One of you guys claimed that a book written in the 19th century say some early Christians didn't celebrate birthdays and claimed that is one of the reason jws don't celebrate it, i simply noted that the exact Christians who didn't celebrate birthdays actually celebrated deathdays! If you claim you are following some early Christians example then u are not following it correctly.


I made no assumptions, you guys have decided to make laws where God didn't make laws and called people sinners who God didn't call sinner, you are trampling God's commandment with human tradition (cf mk 7).

Paul in his epistle gave a teaching about the observance of days and clearly showed it didn't matter in as much as they are observed "in d lord". If you can't recognise that i am alluding to scripture maybe it is your knowledge of scripture that is defective.

While i may be happy to give chapter and verse daily, i do not need to mention chapter and verse each time a allude to scripture.

You can drop the defensive tone now I am not the enemy.

MzNelly:
What class do you belong----Atheist.....? Christian? Muslim?

now you're simply looking for a box to put me. .
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I am a Christian

Jozzy4:
Just admit the underlined !

i wrote the underline, i didn't deny it or didn't have seizures when writting it so I am well aware of what I wrote. There may be reasons where excommunication is resorted to, but i never added "shunning". And my point is excommunication is not a tool of removing precieved "bad people", if that is what ur group uses it for then they are doing exactly what God condemned. He bible says "leave the weeds to grow with the wheat" untill harvest time when God will make the separation himself.

MzNelly:
"Serve me or die"

E tire me o, my brother

I do not belive in the punitive uncle conception, nor do I believe that God is Santa claus.

I believe a bit differently from most. Yahweh is life itself, He is Love itself, In Him mercy is personified, in Him do we trully have life and by our own conscious choice we decide if we want communion with him, He invites us to this communion, He want in there. To live in Him is to live, to reject His is to die. It is not some punitive measure, it is simply a corresponding reality. As without the sun, organic living things dies, because they are separated from an important life principle so is it with God without him we will truely die, we will die the true death.

Death isn't exactly the strike back of the punitive God in response to our ultimate choice, Death is instead the direct consequence of our chioce.

paulGrundy:
Pardon me, but Jesus never prescribed any organization as the sole channel of the truth. He called himself the truth! John14:6.

Jesus did prescribe a few people as "a channel"/"channels" of his truth, I believe he called them the apostles, originally they were 12, his words like "he who hears you hears me", "i am sending you..." etc, still rings in my ears, these guys taught people of what they have recieve and went further to teach trustworthy men who can teach others and commissioned them by the laying of hands.

These were a channel/channels of proclaiming the relevation of the divine.

Whether you'll call these group of people who share similar ideas and are committed to similar purpose "an organisation" is a issue I'll leave to you discreetion.

Whether the watchtower is a "descendant" of these "trustworthy men" who were given charge to teach and lead the people called by the Lord is a totally different matter!

Jozzy4:
@ MzNelly

REPLY to Your Assumptions

Asumption 1: buliding place of worship , your point is with this baseless , simply bcoz in the scriptures the isrealites built a place of worship which they called synagogue or temple .

Assumption 2: wedding anniversary : there is nothing wrong with this bcoz wedding itself is biblical , there is reference to righteous people attending wedding ceremony e.g Jesus , (compare marriage of the lamb ) .

REPLY to your copy and paste

The author of your copy and paste present two cases that are EXTREMELY WEAK .

1) Dogs ----- lady , do i have to remind you that we have reference to a righteous man that owns dogs , Read Job 30:1

2) Eye Paint ------ Lady , go and tell the author of your copy and paste that a righteous man named his daughter after eye paint . Job named his third Daughter KEREN HAPPUCH which means " horn of eye paint"

BUT YOU CANT FIND ANY RIGHTEOUS MAN IN BIBLE TIMES CELEBRATING BIRTHDAYS, can you give any example ?

lol

you don't celebrate birthdays because there is no biblical injuction for it? Common dear what did Paul teach concernin the observance of days.

You guys need to take it easy you have left the doctrines of the Lord and u are pursueing traditions. Observance of days does not make a man a sinner wether it is birthday or anniversary e.t.c, a Christian should know this. You mentioned some early Christians didn't celebrate birthdays are you aware they celebrated death days and "rebirth" days. While other didn't even care.

Jozzy4:
Lol , am not J.W but I got alot of respect for them . Unlike other so - called Christians , they remove those wicked one from their midst sharply .

have u ever read d bible? There are so many parables, wheat and tares, etc, but they make clear we will always have the "wicked" ones around, it is not our work to pull out the weed. Leave that for the last day.

There can be reasons for "excommunication, disfellowship" but Christianity was never a community of the sinless, it has always been a hospital for sinners.

MzNelly:
Thanks a lot.
I appreciate it.

We claim to love and serve God.

But without the fear of hell or the prospect of eternal life, would we still remain His servants.

fine question!

MzNelly:
Muphasar11, I know there is a God. And I know there is Jesus too. And I know this God personally as well.

What I don't seem too grasp is why religions paint him in a horrific way?
Why can't we all love and serve God without any punishment at the back of our minds? Beats me.

probably because punishment in there in the scriptures. It doesn't matter which interpretation you cloth scripture with you will still see punishment in scripture.

MzNelly:
Actually it's YHWH

those are the consonants for the name since the hebrew text had no vowels. The question is, what are the correct vowels? where did the "jehovah" vowels come from?


Those are the questions that the jw society will not answer.

iamSi:
His name is Jehovah as recorded in Ps. 83:18

the name Jehovah is a mistranslation, this has been discussed so many times on nl. The name Is Yahweh.

spartan07:
LET US NOT BE HASTY IN OUR CONCLUSIONS
THE STORY IS ENTIRELY ONE SIDED AND A CASE OF SOMEONE BITING THE FINGERS THAT FEED HER.
I AM A PART OF THE PTA OF THE SCHOOL AND AM SURPRISED THAT THIS JUNK TALE IS BEING PUBLISHED BY PM NEWS WITHOUT VERIFICATION.

THERE WAS NEVER AN AGREEMENT WHERE IT WAS STATED THAT THE SAID TEACHER WOULD BE ENTITLED TO ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY IF HER SERVICES WERE TERMINATED

DID SHE TELL THE MEDIA THAT SHE WAS PAID TWO MONTHS FULL SALARY WHEN HER APPOINTMENT WAS TERMINATED?

DID SHE ALSO TELL THE WORLD THAT SHE WAS TOLD TO COME AT A LATER DATE TO COLLECT #50,000 AS A STABILAZATION FUND PENDING WHEN SHE GETS A NEW JOB, DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT WAS NOT STATED AS AT WHEN SHE WAS EMPLOYED

MUST PEOPLE HOPE TO REMAIN EMPLOYED WHEN THEY OFFER LITTLE OR NOTHING TO THE GROWTH OF AN ORGANIZATION.

THE FACT THAT SOMEONE WANTS TO FLUSH OUT REDUNDANT HANDS AND INSIST ON QUALITY EDUCATION, HE IS NOW SEEN AS AN ENEMY.

MAY GOD JUDGE THOSE THAT ARE HELL BENT ON TARNISHING THE IMAGE OF GOD'S ANOUNTED

interestin, many have already concluded that the priest is a demon without hearin the other side.

DoubleDeeX:
The man of sin has finally revealed himself. Smh!

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

u had already made your conclusion. You don't care if the news is correct or fabricated.

Enjoy the lies dear!

You have written an epistle to explain the simple words of Christ.

Jesus said, "recieve the holy spirit, whosoever sins you pardon are pardoned, whosoever sins you retain are retained". There he clearly bestowed the power to pardon sins and not just pardon but also to retain! You can try to tell stories all you like but the words of Jesus remain.

johnw74:
The woman is Christianity, not the rcc,
when satan failed to destroy the early Church,
he then used the newly formed papacy to persecute true Christianity.

Look it up.

hahahaha
conspiracy theories!

So the catholic church was persecutin "Christianity". What Christianity are you talkin about? Are u unaware that protestanism started in d 16th cent?

emrain:
The Hail Mary prayer: Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen

What else do you wanna see?

did you see anythin like worship there?

You people alway like to make silly insinuations.

tola268:
Catholic Mission must let people know which one is superior between GOD and MONEY Their schools charge students to pay exorbitant school fee but they will pay little salary for their workers. To me l can say they know money than God

you dont know how much is the fees the school in question, stop makin assumptions.

This is how cults start......


God made male and female and he ordained marriage, to preach otherwise is a sin.

"by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, men who forbid marriage ..." - 1 Timothy 4:3a

1 Timothy 5:14
So I counsel younger widows to marry, to have children, to manage their homes and to give the enemy no opportunity for slander.

Hebrews 13:4
Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral


Young ones do not be deceived by these self appointed mouth pieces for 'God '.

Marry and enjoy your wife or husband to the fullest, nothing wrong with that.

However if you have it in you to remain single , your choice is respected, only don't preach it as the norm.

each to his own callin,

wytecat:
Anyone suffering from inferiority complex can write anything, and I don't read garbage. Your only saving grace is that Yoruba took this long to take you guys seriously after taking for jokes for so long.

Bini never conquered any town, if there was anyone, it was Yoruba that conquered Bini, and you can see that today.

hahaha, who now has inferiority complex, ofcuz u do. Oba Akiolu says his ancestors are from bini and yet you claim bini didn't conquer anyone. Yoruba never entered bini instead binis controlled large parts of what is now called yoruba land and collected tributes and tax from them. Bini never paid tributes to a yoruba king.

wytecat:
I'm not going to ask him anything cos it just ain't worth it. You guys are full of lies and would shift the goal post if I oblige you in anyway, just as your questions have been answered but none of you have answered a simple question directed at you. The Etsako man knows what he talks about every time, and saying some villages speak Yoruba must be true.

The rest of your post is just to defend yourselves, which isn't cutting in, if a non-partisan panel were to examine both of our theories, mine is more believable.

you are the big liar here who claim Etsako towns speak yoruba, you should be ashamed of yourself. Etsako is a laguage like ibo, all etsako towns speak etsako no on speak yoruba.

Even the Oba of Lagos has said it that he is a descendant of a bini prince but you are d dumb person who comes online and says Lagos was not a bini colony.

[author=malvisguy212 post=37493559] why do u guys always like to go off point! I never said goodworks save people! My question is "are good works not sign of grace"?

Stop beatin around d bush.

5solas:
Is the eucharist not part of the sacraments? You brought up the sacraments and I zeroed in on that aspect of the sacraments, transubstantiation, that other reformers deferred from Luther , with them being in the right.

Please enlighten me on what you mean by the bolded pertaining to Christ's death.

there are several passages that says Jesus died for all, theses passages are interpreted by lutherans to mean that the scope of the atonement is universal, i.e Christ death on the cross produced infinite merit capable off saving all men for all times! His atonement is for all because it is satisfactory and powerful enough to save all.

The scriptures also say he died for many and by this lutherans understand that is death is effective only for "many". This is because not all will accept the gift of grace and so only the predestine will make full use of the universal atonement of Jesus.

Lutherans also do not belive in irresistable grace. Thus lutherans believe that grace can be resisted.

5solas:
All lies. Luther believed justification by faith alone saves. In this, he was at one with the other reformers.
He also believed in predestination just like the other reformers.
He, like the others, believed in double predestination-election and reprobation.
By election is meant God's choice of certain persons for salvation before the foundation of the world and by reprobation is meant God's decision to leave others in their sin. Luther's followers later partially forsook his teaching on predestination by embracing only election. Luther's writings are there to show for this assertion.
On the issue of the atonement, the arminians were not yet in existence to cavil it, it wasn't then in contention (at least in reformed circles) and Luther actually denied unlimited atonement, asserting that Christ died ''for many''.
The only point Luther agreed on with the Catholic Church, from your post, is Transubstantiation . ''Transubstantiation (in Latin, transsubstantiatio, in Greek μετουσίωσις metousiosis) is, according to the teaching of the Catholic Church, the change by which the bread and the wine used in the sacrament of the Eucharist become, not merely as a sign or a figure, but also in actual reality the body and blood of Christ''. In this, the other reformers deferred from him, and they were right!

luther believe in sola fide but he also believed in sacraments as a means of salvation, he disagreed with calvin on regeneration. For lutherans saved by faith and saved in baptism are complimentary. If you doubt me read up on the ausburg confession.

Luther's predestination and Calvins predestination are a mile apart.

On atonement luther and lutherans are more in agreement with catholics in teaching that objectively Jesus died for all and subjectively he died for many. That is totally different from Calvin who believe Jesus died for the elect alone!

Lastly I didn't bring up transubstantiation in my post, you are the person bringing that up and to be straight with you, while luthers teaching on the subject is faulty, he was much better than Calvin. Calvin seriously goofed when it came to the eucharist. It was funny that d guy who was screaming sola scriptura refused to believe Jesus who said "take, eat, this is my body", "take, drink, this is my blood", "do this in my memory".

5solas:
Not surprising! The difference though between Calvin's and Luther's teachings is slim. They were at one in their understanding of justification, freewill and predestination. Both teachings are against Arminianism, even though it was not in existence during their lifetimes. Arminianism , by the way, is the creation of the Catholic Church.

not really, Luther believed in the sacraments as means of salvation, he believe justification and regeneration is happen durin baptism (dat is also d teachin of cathollic and orthodox), luther believed in Unlimited atonement, he said that god does not predestine to hell, all those appoint agree with catholic.

italo:
See how many words it takes when trying to twist the gospel?

Take this and twist it too:

Luke22:42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”

Also, you miraculously failed to notice that Jeromejnr said the Bible is from the satanic Talmud.

Also you didn't mention to your fellow ignorant hypocrites that you teach that water baptism is obsolete and Jesus led his apostles to do it in error.

hmmm, serious!

Scholar8200:
The tenor of the post I replied suggests to me that we weigh the impact based not on timing but Truths discovered, circulated and published!

wat truths are u talling abt?

OLAADEGBU:
Good works will never grant anyone salvation it is only after you have been saved by grace which is by faith alone that your works will then count.

ignoratio elenchi.
I'll repeat my question again, are good work not signs of d work of grace?

delishpot:
See talk. You talk about me not reading up and learning then come dey ask me jamb question when I also ask you to readup. you are also allergic to broadning your own knowledge. If there is massonic messanger between you and I then that person will be you. who believes in saving a corpse and claiming its incorruptable. Displaying the dead and believing while encouraging other to do same that those corpses are divine.




No need to argue with people sha. When I see some comments I instantly know if a person has the brain power to discus and study a given subject(No insult intended here God knows)



NB that a corpse is in a glass box and you can see it does not mean its out in the open. You see that box the corpse is placed in? That is a controlled environment. Yess people work around it to preserve its looks when the tourists are gone. Those corpses are not incorruptable in the real sense.



Anyhoe, I humbly bow out. No need flogging a dead horse catholic corpse

d body of st catherine is not in a box, it is stil open til today. You can try ur explanations again.

Your attempts to provoke and insult me were also noted, ad hominen attacks are fallacious so between u and i we can see whose has d better brain power.

otr1:
I'm not disputing the fact that Binis must have had some influence on Eko- no wonder the title of the Island King is Oba; a common name in Yoruba language- but the Yorubas more than a thousand year earlier, had influenced the Binis in no small measure.
Why is the Queen of England not bearing Adebimpe, but we have our people here bearing English names?
That shows you who had influence on who and who colonized who between the Yorubas and the Binis.
The Yorubas are the owners of the "goat"; Binis and the "yam"; Lagos, so it doesn't matter if the "goat" eats the "yam", there's no loss here. Let outsiders mind their own businesses.

the yorubas do not own d binis. Sorry to burst ur bubble.

wytecat:
Lies, I've been told by an Etsako guy that there are Yoruba speaking villages in his area, and it made sense cos how can there be so many people with Yoruba names when we don't speak the same language with the Bini, so some indigenous people of Yoruba laid the foundation for that. I was also told that older Bini speak Yoruba.

First we don't speak the same language with the modern day Bini and our names are given to commemorate what's happening at the time, so you have to have that ancestry and understand the culture to give those names at that rate.

Second, since the modern day Bini don't speak a Yoruba dialect but deep inside delta some do, I believe these Bini were NOT the original ones, but Ibos that fought and pushed the real Bini (Olukumi, Itsekiri)that were the original owner and Yoruba into Delta, and occupy the land. So it makes sense that the Olukumi and Itsekiri always claim to be from Bini. The modern day Bini may actually be Ibos, and this might explain why they don't see us as one. Ugbo and Itsekiri speak Yoruba dialects, but Bini don't. And this might actually be the conquest they meant.

tell d person to name 1 etsako tribe that speak yoruba. I hate liars.

Older binis dont speak yoruba unless d lived in yoruba land. Older bini people speak bini albit more complete bini.

Lastly bini is not like weak oyo that was felled by nupes. Beni never felled until d british expendition. So ibo never pushed bini people out of bini. The bini people of modern day beni and their ancestors have lived in bini for thousands of years.

D itsekiris migrated from bini in search of more water, d esan migrated under oba eware's cruel regim, d ibo of onicha folowed a guy they call eze chima. Part of oondo migrated with another chief. Ibos never reach bini in war until d biafra civil war.