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below are a list of historical christian writings that shows peter was in Rome and died there.


St Irenaeus, "Against Heresies", 3,1,1, 180 A.D., J208
"...in their own dialect, while Peter and Paul were evangelizing at Rome, and laying the foundations of the Church."

St Irenaeus, "Against Heresies", chapter III,
"...the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops."

Eusebius, "History of the Church", 2,14,6, 300 A.D., J651dd
In the same reign of Claudius, the all-good and gracious providence which watches over all things guided Peter, the great and mighty one among the Apostles, who, because of his virtue, was the spokesman for all the others, to Rome."

Tertullian, "The demurrer against the heretics", chapter XXXII,1,
"...like the church of the Romans where Clement was ordained by Peter."

Who has the authority to ordain priests? Only Bishops do. Clement was ordained by the Bishop of Rome, Peter.

Saint Peter of Alexandria, "The Canonical Letter", canon 9, 306 A.D.
"Peter, the first chosen of the Apostles, having been apprehended often and thrown into prison and treated with ignominy, at last was crucified in Rome."

Eusebius, "The Chronicle" Ad An.Dom 68, J651cc
"Nero is the first, in addition to all his other crimes, to make a persecution against the Christians, in which Peter and Paul died gloriously in Rome."

Eusebius, "History of the Church", 3,2, 300 A.D., J652a
"After the martyrdom of Paul and Peter, Linus was the first appointed to the Episcopacy of the Church at Rome."

Lactantius, "Of the manner in which the persecutors died":
This letter is addressed to Donatus. It not only shows that Peter was actually in Rome, but that he died there also at the hands of Nero. Chapter II. "His apostles were at that time eleven in number, to whom were added Matthias, in the room of the traitor Judas, and afterwards Paul. Then were they dispersed throughout all the earth to preach the Gospel, as the Lord their Master had commanded them; and during twenty-five years, and until the beginning of the reign of the Emperor Nero, they occupied themselves in laying the foundations of the Church in every province and city. And while Nero reigned, the Apostle Peter came to Rome, and, through the power of God committed unto him, wrought certain miracles, and, by turning many to the true religion, built up a faithful and steadfast temple unto the Lord. When Nero heard of those things, and observed that not only in Rome, but in every other place, a great multitude revolted daily from the worship of idols, and, condemning their old ways, went over to the new religion, he, an execrable and pernicious tyrant, sprung forward to raze the heavenly temple and destroy the true faith. He it was who first persecuted the servants of God; he crucified Peter, and slew Paul: nor did he escape with impunity; for God looked on the affliction of His people; and therefore the tyrant, bereaved of authority, and precipitated from the height of empire, suddenly disappeared, and even the burial-place of that noxious wild beast was nowhere to be seen."

Saint Damasus I, "The Decree of Damasus" 3, 382 A.D., J910u
"The first see, therefore, is that of Peter the Apostle, that of the Roman Church, which has neither stain nor blemish nor anything like it."


Saint Augustine, "Letter to Generosus", 53,1,2, 400 A.D., J1418
"If the very order of episcopal succession is to be considered, how much more surely, truly, and safely do we number them from Peter himself, to whom, as to one representing the whole Church, the Lord said: "Upon this rock I will build My Church, and the gates of hell shall not conquer it."

Anas09:
And the link?

Anas09:
And the link?

below is a link to the letter where the phrase catholic church first appear in written form

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/ignatius-smyrnaeans-hoole.html

it reads

8:2 Wherever the bishop appear, there let the multitude be; even as wherever Christ Jesus is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful either to baptize, or to hold a love-feast without the consent of the bishop; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that also is well pleasing unto God, to the end that whatever is done may be safe and sure.

italo:
Thank you.

May the Synod Fathers be docile to the prompting of the Holy Spirit.

Amen.

amen

Anas09:
Which century did Luther take Germany away from Catholicism?
What century did King Henry viii take England away from Rome? And what century did Calvin take Switzerland from Rome?

that was the 16th century.

Do you also know howmany protestants were burnt at the stake alongside Calvin for trying to translate the Bible into the language that his countrymen could read and understand?

calvin was not burnt on a stake! Actually calvin was responsible for burning people on a stake.

Why was it important for the Bible to be locked up in the Latin Language? Why was the Catholic church against other languages having the Bible being translated to? was it because the Papacy wanted to control and conceal the truth? Was it because they wanted to be the only ones to read and tell the people only what they wanted the people to know?

another lie u were told, are u aware there were 15 editions of the bible in german even before martin luther was born?

Anas09

firstly I never meant to call u a liar, i said u were lied to i.e u were misinformed. I didn't mean to be confrontational.


I also wish to beg you to read up on christian history and the writtings of the early christians.

The first surviving writting with d phrase "catholic church" is that of a bishop of antioch called ignatius in 109ad, it is incorrect to claim the catholic church started in d 4th century. The christians were first called followers of "the way" before they were called Christians by the end of the 1st century d christian named the church catholic church and yeah all Christians were catholics including those who are called orthodox christians today.

By the 2nd century all Christian who werent gnostics identified themselves as Catholics, u can read the writtings of the early Christians to verify.

Also it is a historical fact that peter preached and died in rome and ordain both linus and clement as ministers, linus was bishop of rome (pope) after peter and clement was bishop after linus all first 7 popes were killed by the roman persecution. Please make research the writtings of the early christians are still available!

Constantine didn't make any religion. He instead granted Christian freedom to worship and stopped the persecution of Christians thru out the roman empire. He did this becos he claimed he saw a cross in the sky while he was fighting for the throne so when he gained the thron he granted freedom to Christians. Costantine became a Cathecumen and was later baptised on his death bed.

At that time the catholic church consisted of all non heretical Christian whether in Rome, constantinople, alexadria, antioch or jerusalem. The bishop of Rome was the court of appeal whenever issues arise.

The coptic church broke away in the council of chalcedo when it fell into d monophyte heresy, the orthodox church both away in the 12th century becos of d filioque issue.

You can read it up they were all catholics.

Weah96:
The Vatican maintains a FLEET of military and consumer aircraft. What are you saying?

this is a cheep lie. Apart from the swiss guard the vatican has no military, it has no military aircraft! And certainly has no consumer aircraft.


You can prove me wrong by showing me a reliable source saying otherwise.

abiambo:
The office of UK PM has access to the government jet.. just like us president has air force 1.. Dats by the way,
That d pope has over a billion members doesn't mean he travels a lot, NB every time the pope travels it's on cnn cos he's d leader of a country and mind you the vatican has @ least 1 jet to convey his holiness on his trips abroad, so does Rccg have @ list 1 jet to ferry their head pastor to his various missions abroad, likewise winners Chapel... must they enter emirates b4 u rest?? Even at that u will say he uses first class instead of him to b in economy class, if you get money shey u go trek until ur whole neighbourhood can afford 3 square meals... keep judging

actually the vatican has no jet.

Just like you one of th things i hate is lies. I do not know who lied to you but I'll try the best I can to correct those lies.

Anas09:
@macof.
If Christianity remained in the hands of the Catholic Church the way it was intended, christianity would ve been long dead just like its dead in Europe the centre of Catholicism.

have it ever occured to you that europe is also the birth place of protestanism and that the ratio of atheism was less than 1% before protestanism.

Go back and read up history, in the 16th, 17th century, luther took germany out of catholicism, henry took england out..., calvin took switzerland out...etc, can you go and check the percentage of athiest in those countries! Athiesm is hardly a catholic phenomeno. It is suprising that athiesm rose along with protestanism. Go make research.

Look around you, if not for protestanism, the church wouldn't ve moved out of Europe. Protestants in the bit to escape from the persecution of ur mother Church spread christianity, and in other to stamp and quell them out, Catholicism armed with so much money, power, number ran out ahead, and made it look like they were interested in Mission work, while all the while, they were fighting for conquest of territory.

this is another fallacy!

How many protestant missionaries came to Nigeria apart from the anglicans and methodist? How many? Go and check the war torn regions of the world and see how many protestant missionaries are there. You can say all sort about catholic missions but I'll remind you that the catholic church can be found all over the world and that alone is a testament to the work of catholic missionaries.

The Catholic church started in the 4thcentury AD, why did they wait until the 16centuryAD before they started spreading by way of missions?

the catholic church was around long before the 4th century and they evangelised the whole east, from constantinople to India, to ethiopia and Egypt. They also evangelised all europe into ireland. The muhamadans started the jihad which halted futher movement to african, the american continenet wasn't even discovered then.

Anas09:
This is from ur Father Mbaka, does what he wrote below depict a man who has the direction of the holy spirit in him? This is how to represent Christ, and prepare a spotless and unblemish church as a bride of christ?

Message from Rev. Fr. Mbaka.

I hear you my child
HOLY, HOLY, HOLY. WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE.

This prayer has been sent to bring good luck. The original copy was from England. It has been around the world. The luck has been sent to you.

You will receive a good luck within four days on receiving this message provided that you send it out. This is not a joke.

You will receive good luck in this mail. Send no money, as it has no price. Do not keep this message. It must leave your hand within 96 hours (4 days).

A royal Air Force Officer received £31,000.00. Joe Wallen received £7,000.00 and lost it because he broke the chain. While in the Philippines, Gonnonluch lost his wife 6 days after receiving the message. He failed to circulate the message.

However, before his death he received $7,775,000.00 (seven million seven hundred and seventy five thousand dollars).

Please send 20 messages and see what will happen in four days. This chain came from Venezuela, Saint Anthony De Coup. A missionary and an American said the message must tour the world.

You must send it to 20 friends and associates. Do note the following:

1. Caustino Deis received the chain in 1955. He asked his secretary to make 20 copies and send them. In few days, he won a lottery of two billion dollars.

2. Carlos Dowell, an officer, received the message and forgot it. It had to leave his hand within 90 hours, he lost his job. Later after he found the message again, he mailed 20 copies. A few days later, he got a better job.

3. Dollar Laggard received this letter and not believing it, he threw it away. 12 days later he died.

4. In 1987, the letter came to a young woman in California; it was faint and barely readable. She promised herself that she would retype the letter and send it out; she put it aside to do it later. She was plagued with various problems including expensive car repairs. The letter did not leave her hand in 96 hours (4 days). However, she finally typed the letter as promised and mailed copies and she bought a new car.

5. George Bush received the letter 2 days before Nov 3 1993. He sent out 20 copies and 3 days later he inherited his uncle's Perlal Tesirossa.

Remember, send no money,and do not ignore this message because it works.

You must make sure that you don't break this chain. Send 20 copies to friends and relatives. I wish you good luck.

From Rev. Fr. Mbaka

lol,

pls did you happen to see Fr Mbaka's signature on it apart from the "from Fr Mbaka"?

I am always worried when people pick issues where there are none, according to the dates on the message, the stuff has been around long before fr mbaka was born, what makes u sure he is the sender of the said message? Because sincerely I do not know how u came to such conclusion. I remember recieving a pamplete like the above from an adventist friend! Strangely enough it has nothing to do with mbaka, i took d stuff and threw it in d waste bin.


Lastly, If mbaka did personally give u dis message, how does that prove he is not directed by the holyspirit? I just want to get ur point.

refreshrate:
First you say nothing wrong in having wealth then you say Jesus condemned someone for the same wealth.

Which is it oga?

Meanwhile Jesus condemn rich fool for hoarding wealth?

Please if it's not too much to ask could you explain further as this is entirely unknown to me. Thanks

i made that comment under the assumption that you are a Christian, I am sorry if I wrongly assumed.

The bible has a parable in luke 12:13-21 popularly called the parable of the rich fool where Jesus condemned the idea of hoarding wealth, "piling up riches". In that parable scripture warns a Christian abt the dangers inherent in the luxury wealth, it is a passing thing and humans are pilgrims on earth, Jesus continued his teaching in luke 12:32-34, there he says "save ur riches in heaven...". The bible doesn't treat having wealth as a sin! But the bible clearly teaches that we are not the owners of that wealth, we are stewards of it, our work is to share it with others. This is why a pastor making billions off his poor flock is unChristian, establishing schools with the money of the poor and making sure they can't attending it with exobitant fees is unchristian.

It doesn't beak any civil law but it certainly isn't in consonance with Christian teaching.

chinoify:
poverty is a disease.... OP do you know that vatican has a bank?
do you know that Jesus had a treasurer
person wei no get money dey get bank??

ignorance.......

actually offficially, there is no such thing as a vatican bank. There is an institute for charitable institutions which is under the watch of the Church. The institute is mainly for religious houses an charitable organisation, a few people also use it. It is a financial institute but it isn't officially called a bank.

refreshrate:
I don't owe you any explanation.

my type is not the issue here. attend to the points raised and stop trying to divert by thinking you know anything about me.

what is the logical thing in anything you've said please? because you hear people saying... you can't even compose English well sef, the statement is ..."being logical" not been logical.

Then also how do you describe "they speak irrational"? oga it's they speak irrationally.

Your issue has now been fully identified & it was just as I suspected.

keep fooling yourself with words above your thought level you hear?

No wonder...

u guys will soon turn this to a quarel.

Nobody said it is wrong to have wealth or make wealth! That is not the issue, the issue is practice what you preach.

You cannot preach a gospel where Jesus condemned the rich fool for hoarding wealth when you are doing the same. If the church missions are not of a caring heart are not Charitable then why have them?

A church that cannot practice the gospel is not a house of God it is the shop of men.

Peter wasn't too learn, even his epistle was written in coloquial greek. Mark was his disciple and mouth piece.

I am suprised to see the names of honorius and leberius in the list of wicked popes!

Both of those guys were not bad guys, they didn't kill anyone or rape anyone or broke any laws. Both of them lived in a time when heresy was tearing the church apart and they struck a reconciliatory tone instead of a tone of condemnation, today the reconcilatory message of those popes are been looked at and appreciated.

Many people in the early church were very quick to condemn any smell of heresy, honorius was more interested in understand what the other side was talking about. In his public teaching the continued to teach the traditional christian teaching in traditional term but in his private letters with the percieved heretics he tried to see where they were coming from.


Those guys should not be on the list.

Ajinoride:
the pope is richer than all the nigerian pastors put together. He is the president of the Dominican republic. dnt compare them pls.

mind you, who employed you to judge God's anointed?
they were solely employed by God , and answerable to Him alone......(ask miriam, the sis of moses).

the pope is not the president of the Dominican republic.

You are also confusing the vatican wealth with the pope's wealth, the pope is not rich, he is given a stiped every month by the church.

It is like confusing Nigerias wealth with that of its president.

loomer:
Just asking becos, the last time I also checked, them dey always give pope private jet to fly to where him wan go.

You need not call me stupid but make ur research

they don't give the pope a private jet. The pope usually charters air italia whenever he is travelling, the jornalists travelling with him also pay a part of flight bill. The vatican doesn't use private jets.

Anas09:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. This is canality at its peak. The first and the last church. Why is that important?
I think the question here shd be, which (supposed) christian gathering had a name first? Even then, they were the Asian Churches with names.
Or are the Catholics trying to say that those weren't churches untill the RCC was formed in the 4th century AD?
Besides, pls the Cathics shd do a little research abt the Coptic church. It happened to be the church that continued with the Apostles creed, not tainted by the Idolatry of the RCC till date.
Satan is decieving u guys. Beside what has salvation got to do with first or last church. The C. Church takes a stand to flaunt all the teachings of the Bible. And Paul warns believers to look for them who bring division and stay away from them. He says, even if an angel from heaven preaches a different gospel from the one that has been preached before, he says we shd not receive the angel and let the person be acursed. Gal 1:8
The Catholic church negates the teachings of the Bible. Just wait, wen u meet ur creator, He will ask you which you attended rather than, "I said thou shall not steal, did you steal?, thou shall not lie, did you lie? Thou shall not commit adultry and fornication did you commit? Look at Europe that Catholic Church held with an iron grip, they killed almost everyone who read the Bible. How far today? Europe is an Atheist continent, clap hands for urself. That's what satan wanted, lock Christianity up in Rome, hide the Word of eternal life from the people, later theywill be faced with so much questions, without the Holy spirit for direction, they will deny God's existence. Sorry Satan failed, u can't imprison the Spirit.
Wait, hold unto the first church, soon U'll meet ur God.

lol,

go back and study.

I know of the Coptic church very well, they were previously Catholics that is the church of st mark and st cyril, the coptic see was ranked second after the see of Rome. They broke away in the council of Chalcedon, their patriach Descorus said Jesus has only one nature and was anatimized by the council of chalcedon foe heresy! The coptic church then broke away. The heresy they taught is called the monophtye heresy.


They are also alike to Catholics in many things, they have images in their churches, they honour mary, they have bishops priests and deacon, call mary bearer of God, ever virgin... They have sacraments which they call mysteries.

The see of alexandria was founded by a companion of st Peter i.e st mark. The see of Rome was founded by Peter himself.

Both the Catholic church and the Coptic church use the apostles creed and the nicean-constantinople creed.


What are u talking about?

oyadanoz:
u stand to defend pop that is making noise. tell me how many country does he visit in a week.
how do u expect someone to minister in diferent country there need for it. as for pop he is only trying to gain porpularity by critisising men of miracle.

the pope didn't criticise anyone. He didn't speak a single word about anybody.

That u think he is criticising tells me a lot abt u.

TrajansKong:
I SAY AGAIN!!

This is not the African Way.
The Pope is wrong. How can we respect him as a man of God if he travels amongst the common people? How can we glorify one who does not glorify himself? He is a messenger of God!! He should reflect God's power accordingly.We do not exalt those on our own level. A true pastor must SHOW he is above us in every way.

The Vatican has billions and BILLIONS in precious metals and stones but this pope does not display any of this for us to admire. If we cannot SEE and admire a man's power and wealth how can we follow him and give unto his glory?

This pope is a disgrace to Christianity. A man of God cannot be humble. He must be mighty as God is mighty.Fly your private jet, Papa Oyedepo! Wear your Rolex, Papa Adeboye. Wear your Armani suits Pastor Daniel! We cannot judge you as we judge ourselves. You are truly men of God. Our spiritual and earthly masters!

lol,

O Lord place a guard over my mouth as sentry at the door of my lips.

waldigit:
I am sure I have made several public speech but have not made such signs. But wait how come this sign is common among these public figures. Why not other sign at random. I try to make this sign and discover it very strange bending my finger into such shape.

there is nothing stange about bending your fingers, to make the sign all you need is to join ur thumb and the next finger. Infact, i have made that gesture each time I say "there is something important...", or try to make emphasis and also when i refer to a quantity, like small or tiny or little. It is suprising that people are superstitious and simple gestures made while speaking are now interpreted as occult.

italo:
Thanks.
Igbo. I'm half Edo, half Igbo.

wow, nice one.
It seems ibo ladies are the first choice when it comes to marriage.

Kx:
Needless to say that incoming ministers should be made to declare their assets IF the Nigerian constitution says so,

however,one would equally like to reconfirm if Kukah is now speaking from the religious pulpit or from the political campaign pulpit.

it is the duty of clerics to speak truth to power. Kukah is within the confines of his power as a Catholic bishop he has the right to voice his opinion on how government should go. Infact it will be sinful if he refuses to speak.

italo:
While we countdown to the beginning of our Novena, I wish to share a testimony from our May devotion.

I told you that I was travelling to Lagos to meet my girlfriend's mum to ask her hand in marriage. It was one of my intentions that the Lord should grant me favour.

I was well received. The man they swore would resist (on tribal sentiments)...what did he say?

"It's okay...as long as he's a good person. Let's just follow it up with prayer."

We are about to go to marriage class.

Please continue to pray for me.

thank God for your success story, I guess we will soon be eating marriage rice and chicken.

If you don't mind my asking what tribe are you abt to marry into.

seagulsntrawler:
He ought to have started his address with some words of prayer, as a leading christian figure. Please go through this link and you will realise people don't make that sign out of reflex or by accident.
www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/codex_magica/codex_magica24.htm

sorry dear, the pope is at liberty to begin his address whatever way he likes, personally i believe he began his address correctly. If you wish to address God then do so, if you wish to address me the address men.

Pope Francis didn't make the said sign before the speech but during the speech as he was gesturing.

There is nothing occultic about that gestures unless you are simply superstitious.

Tough questions, especially for us who use the bible.

The op is confusing an adress to congress with a sermon in Church.


The sign u claim was made has nothing to do with illuminati, anyone who has spoken in public before and at the same time gesturing with his/her hand has probably made that sign severally whether knowingly or unknowly. I am sure I have made that sign at some point.

The Great schism refers to the breaking away of the eastern Church(now called orthodox church) from the catholic church, for political and doctrinal reason.

I'm not suprised, there is a whole range of issues modern man doesn't want to hear about. People don't want to hear anything that challenges their way of life. There was a pope who talk about traditional moral topics like abortion, they said he was out of tune with the world, now there is another talking about social doctrines and they say he is a marxist or a communist.

Someone once told me, the word of God should comfort the afflicted and afflict those in comfort. That saying seems true.

OLAADEGBU:
Even if our Lord Jesus was speaking in Aramaic it does not change what I've said because both meanings are expressed by the name Cephas. Jesus was making a distinction between both languages which was then picked up by Matthew in his translations who was under divine inspiration. Again I reiterate that the massive rock foundation on which our Lord Jesus Christ would build His Church was Peter's great confession of Jesus Christ as the Creator and Son of the living God and all who make this confession are laying upon this foundation which is a stumbling block to the religious and foolishness to the skeptics.

hahaha

Jesus spoke aramic not greek he said Cephas, that doesn't have two meaning, it means Jesus called Peter the rock, Cephas! Even the apostle paul repeated the same name when talking about peter he said "cephas".

The difference in greek is because the greek has masculine and feminine.

OLAADEGBU:
Eliakim is a type of Christ, who alone had full authority over the "house of David". Jesus Christ (the real deal) alone has the key of David and He has given believers in Christ, not in Popes, the authority to open and close. Peter represented all the apostles which extends to all believers in Christ.

Eliakim is not a type of Christ, Eliakim was a prime minister of the davidic kingdom, Jesus is the King of the davidic house. Eliakim is not a type of Christ that shows you don't even understand scriptures.

In the davidic Kingdom the King is the owner of the kingdom, but he always gives the keys of the Kingdom to his prime minister. The person given the keys of the Kingdom is the prime minister.

So think again.


Jesus who was prophesied as the King of the kingdom gave the keys of the kingdom to Peter. That is simple! He made peter his prime minister!

Peter and his successors are the who were given the keys of the kingdom.

This is simple teaching, it will be funny if you are unable to understand this.

OLAADEGBU:
The RCC is leading multitudes on the highway to hell and we must rescue the perishing and care for the dying because Jesus is merciful and Jesus will save.

lol!

Really?

That means Christianity itselff lead people to hell. Mariology is part and pacel of Christianity.