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bongila: Teaching you the truth is an exercise in futility Italo,I need a whole day just for that.I wouldn't mind spending that time on you but the catch is,it WON'T penetrate!
I used to think just like you but glory to God I am Liberated,that's what the word of God does for you when you open up your heart and mind to learn from the Holy Spirit.
Keep aside what you've been taught and ask the Holy Spirit to be the teacher,do that and come thank me later.

sentiment!
You don't have a point.

Mart d dart: As christ is the word made flesh and the word has been existing since the time of moses Exodus 20: 4-5 "you shall NOT make for thyself an image of any form of anything in heaven above or on the earth or beneath or in the waters below
5. You shall not bow down to them or WORSHIP them, for I am a jealous God punishing the children for sins of their fathers to the third and fourth generation of those that hate me

the law of moses has been render null and viod! That is why d 2 commandment from d above isn't also followed, we don't keep d sabbath nor d laws becos d laws are void.

They only become new tes laws if they are also found in the new testament.

I'm turning 18, if repetition is such a joke read Matthew 6: 7 " when you pray DO NOT keep babbling and REPEATING like pagans for they think they will be heard because of their many words" this also goes for saying or RECITING the rosary(repitition)

I refer you back to Luke11:27..what was the woman trying to do?, she was try to give mary praise, a title ofcourse "Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you" As christ is the word made flesh and the word has been existing since the time of moses Exodus 20: 4-5 "you shall NOT make for thyself an image of any form of anything in heaven above or on the earth or beneath or in the waters below

refer to d above.

Mart d dart: This is where your naivity really shows, did you actually read what you wrote and it sounded intelligent to you?
Anyway, I will answer your question, this is where the bible comes in, any "doctrine" that is not stipulated by the Bible is a no no for me..besides churches are not supposed to have "doctrines" they are just supposed to teach the bible .....period

where does d bible teach d bolded?

Mart d dart: What I am saying is Calling Mary blessed is not wrong...but is that all you guys do?

actually you said honoring mary is wrong! Do you realise that calling marry blessed is honor?

Mart d dart: LOL, not entirely practical, seeing as the devil gave up after tempting Jesus

i doubt he did, remember Jesus had to send him away saying "begone!"?

striktlymi: Lol!!! I am doing great man! Coach Goshen believes you would do well in that role. The goalkeeper is the most important man in defense

Goshen come and answer for yourself!! Do you have a hand in this?? *pulling my gloves*
goshen!!! Come forth and answer for yourself, if not i'll expose your black ar$$ and invite everyman on the team to come and watch.
Lol.

*yawns* please just tell me where the bible says it is d sole authority for christians.

Lenny5000: It is very simple the difference between Catholics and Christian is this

CHRISTIANS = BIBLE IS THE SOUL AUTHORITY

CATHOLICS = BIBLE + CANON LAW IS THE COMPLETE AUTHORITY

So no need for anybody to be angry or arguing. Where I reside, they don't call Catholics Christians, of cause I was angry and shocked when I first heard that and took my time to explain that Catholics are also Christians, cos they normally ask, Are you a Christian, Muslim or Catholic? Anyway been born and raised a Catholic, when I got here many years ago, I took my time to read and research the Catholic church and found out why they are not called Christians... I had to even read my lil Red Catechism book again ..lol As a grown up now, once you read it again, Y'd be surprised at all the un-biblical things you will find there. While I don't attend the Catholic Church anymore... I still walk into huge empty Catholic church here to sit down, meditate and have quiet time.. I love the feeling of peace I get when I go there. Personally to me Catholicism is like a Cult that you cant fully leave even when you know that a lot of the practice are pagan and has nothing to do with God... But you miss the Latin, Mass, Songs, Eucharist, Sweet Smelling Incense...etc There is really nothing anybody can tell or teach me about Catholicism cos I might actually know more.. cos i spent good time studying... I have Priest as friends and we discuss... You might be surprised, what some of them truly believes. To end this, The Catholic Church will play a big Role towards the end of time, its all there in the bok of revelation and it's gradually falling into place. Saying I love this Religion or Church so I pledge my allegiance has nothing to do with GOD. It is in your interest to find out about what you believe... The world as we know it might be shaken soon from the Vatican and if your faith is not solid as a rock...well!! The information is out there, study yourself to be approved! Y'all my brothers and sisters, love you all.. Bless

Bidam: Imagine this coming from a christian female....when she logged in she logged out her biblical senses, moral virtues, humility and a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious.

what is wrong with that?
It seems u have a problem talking about sexuality, dat isn't her problem its yours.

Segeggs: @ lovethywill...

jesus is the man to follow,not some building with a name like an organisation that is full of traditions. Since the temple's veil tore into two, the holy of holies which only the high priest can enter has been exposed meaning that you dont need any priest before you can interact with God cos you are now a priest yourself. So, church doesnt matter cos you are the church yourself.

you have turned scripture upside down, scripture never said we didnt need any priest, scriptures clearly says we have a high priest and dat is christ Jesus, through whom we all have access to the father, that is what my bible says and that is what the church teaches.

frosbel: Are you a cannibal ?

Jesus asked us to do it in remembrance of HIM not to keep sacrifing him over and over again !!!


The Jewish Priests continued endless sacrifices of animals , which were never able to permanently take away our sins.


In Hebrews 11 , we read :
"11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins."

Is this not what the catholic priests are doing ? Again and again offering useless acrifices that can never take away sins ?



Compare to Hebrews 11: 12 where this sacrifice was offered ONCE not twice or thrice , ONCE and for all and for ever :

"12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy."


Kindly answer these questions :

1. If Jesus and his disciples prophetically commemorated his death and sacrifice when he was still alive, what exactly where they drinking and eating ?

2. If the bible through Holy Spirit inspiration confirms the absoluteness of the sacrifice made by Jesus , why do your priests blaspheme God by offering this sacrifice again and again and again.


Take heed , listen to what Daniel prophesied :

"He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease" - (Daniel 9:27 KJV).

All sacrifice has ceased, by conducting a heretical mass, your popes , bishops and priests are committing abominations.

"The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries." - Revelation
17:4


[img]http://4.bp..com/-M-LBI9toNmA/TblLVmcdIoI/AAAAAAAADuA/JptHGDVbI7Y/s400/Scarlet+Priest+and+Golden+Cup.jpg[/img]


You were warned.

i'll give you d greek word that Jesus used that was translated as "remembrance". The word is "anamesis", do a research on the biblical usuage of d word and come back and tell us your findings.

ijawkid: I guess you've also studied the installation of dead meats in your altar.....

I can't even tell if you guys aren't vampires.....why do you like dead bodies so much??......

i think you should make research on where d early xtians worshiped after circumstance made them stop house fellowship. It is usually on the same site some other xtians were buried. Read up on the catacombs

Frobel, i want you to take a look at what you posted! Your post says catholic are pagans because the use bells! Do you know how ridiculous dat sound?
Bells were part d liturgy in the old testament, were they also pagan?
Pls answers!
And if they weren't i put it to you that only hypocrisy will may you suspect paganism because you saw bells.


I post for those who wish to know the truth, signs and symbols many of which as used by the ancient churches since antiquity are signs and symbols you'll find in scripture. Frosbel, for d love of God, i ask you to research on the use of bells in scripture and dully delete d part where you pasted that catholics a suspect of paganism becos they us bells.
Peace.

Enigma: ^^^ Crybaby.

Keep up the lying and slandering. It's all cool.

u just didnt answer the question!
Interesting

Hey, strik,
i'm a bit unhappy, why put in as goal keeper? Haven't you seen a captain play defensive midfield before?
I'll admit i wear a pair hand gloves to every match (so i don't fatally injure my opponents), but that notwithstanding, i'm not a keeper, update that list and put me as a "glove-wearing-captain", defensive midfield.
Hey note, i,ve never gat a yellow card. Anything worth doing is worth doing well.
How are u doing man?

Kay 17: Ok, I will concede to your definition and leave that issue for another time.

Given your definition, can you point out any used by the Christians before the 4th century. Note that a individual texts themselves don't count as a collection, rather a number of individual texts adopted together

I wouldn't mind historical references too.

hehehehe enigma it seems u were caught in ur web

frosbel: @striktlymi:


We will not let you and your 'mother church' misrepresent the INDIVIDUALITY of GOD

How would you as ONE Person feel if your INDIVIDUALITY were to be taken away ?


"To whom will you compare me? Or who is my equal?" says the Holy One." - Isaiah 40:25


Note the singular pronoun.

Stop confusing yourself Bro, GOD is ONE.

isaiah also record's God saying no one helped him in creation, and jesus actually created d world, do you understand that?

Lovethywilbedon: so you think our little human brain can fully understand the Mystery of the TRINITY. Go on! I will see where this will take you. UBENEDICTUS has started finding elements of herery in your post. JUST CONTINUE! Maybe you will become the next Arius.

you don't become arius until you reject the teaching faculty of the church. Much of d "shoud" has been explained, what remains is just d "overabundance of d truth". I wanted to use d thread to xplain d inner life of d trinity, but with d anti trinitarians here, i guess dat won't b posible.

striktlymi: The question is still unanswered. Does this simple truth make God any less mysterious?
We are not Gods, there is only one God.
This is not convincing! You need to study what it means to say that Christ is the only begotten son of the Father. Saying that Christ is also the Son of the most high is very inappropriate cause you assume that Christ Sonship to the Father is like that of any other man. This is very incorrect!
The above still is not convincing cause it is explicit in Sacred scriptures that we have only one Father who lives for all eternity. Thus to name another Eternal Father when that individual is not him would be very inappropriate. We know that Sacred scriptures is true for all ages and it spoke the truth when it named Christ as the Eternal Father who happens to be God.

And I have already explained why Christ made comments that made himself look lesser than the father. Paul explained it actually in one of his letters. Refer to the passage I quoted before.



C'mon Ij, I am very sure you know what eternal means. How can a fatherhood that is Eternal be limited? It won't make any sense to call Christ Eternal Father and God Eternal Father when Christ does not have the same substance as God. Remember he was called mighty God and don't tell me that he was not called Almighty .



Where did you get the above from? Did Sacred scriptures tell you that Christ was referred to as the Eternal Father because he is the new Adam? Please show us the reference in Sacred scriptures.



I hope you are not trying to digress by bringing up the above? It is entirely irrelevant to the discuss. Unless you want to quote a passage in sacred scriptures where the pope was referred to as the Eternal Father.



Paul has explained why comments like the above were made. Also refer to the contributions of Uben too.



Whether Mighty, Almighty etc there is only one God and that passage referred to Christ as he. The title of the Eternal Father is reserved for God alone.



You seem not to understand what Paul was trying to teach in that passage. Paul was admonishing us to emulate the humility of Christ. There is no contradiction there. Paul used Christ as an example to put across this teaching of humility. Refer to the passage again!



I have explained why the above is.



Refer to my prior discuss!



Now Ij, do you honestly believe that to teach that only God is our Father in one thread and come in another thread to teach that Jesus is also the Eternal Father is an explanation that holds water? Come to think of it, how many Eternal Fathers do we have?



My ish is that your stand point is not consistent with the teaching of only one God if you refer to us as Gods.



For someone who holds that only God is our Father, you really are pointing to a number of Fathers. I wonder where you get all these your teachings from. Please if the bold can be attributed to Sacred scriptures, I need the reference. Or else I believe it would be appropriate to say that some of your teachings are from human traditions which are un-scriptural.



I don't think your arguments stems from Sacred scriptures. You make allusions to things that are not scriptural.



Hmmm...I thought you said you have discussed with Ube a number of times? I guess you haven't been reading his posts cause if you have, you would know his stance on the above. Anyways my guy stop the sentiments and focus on the scriptures since that is your only guide to the truth.
In your words: "your explanations do not hold water".
Do you know what a mystery is? Find out the meaning and you would know why I asked those questions. And by the way, you can as well answer the questions I asked Frosbel up there, they are part of my "thought provoking questions".
Thank you!

bro striktlymi, weldone!
I'll just tell you not to be surprise when questions you've already answered start flying back into the discussion.

I'm just entering nl and imagine this for a welcome present.

frosbel: SHOCKER, WATCH :



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb5NFpOL5pw

oga frosbel weytin b dis?

Goshen360: Lastly, @ Okeyxyz and everyone,

I spoke with Okeyxyz outside of this discussion and I 'reasoned' with him too far by what he said and I made him see that he went to far by extending this discussion to that fact that one doesn't need marriage to have sexx and that one can have sexx with 'anybody' as long as there is consent. I made him see to the true that fornication also extend by meaning to who.re.\prosti.tute. and having sexx with 'anybody' without love commitment going towards a happy marriage is actually being a who.re.\who.re.mon.ger(s) whether married or not. It is not only unmarried people that are who.re.\who.re.mon.gers. Okeyxyz accepted this truth and hopefully, he should reflect on that and withdraw all such statements and sayings making them null & void.

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators (by word meaning in context it means - 1) a man who prostitutes his body to another's lust for hire; 2) a male prostitute & 3) a man who indulges in unlawful sexual intercourse, a fornicator),

nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such WERE SOME OF YOU: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, KJV

In other words, you cannot be called a Christian and at the same time still be called those names up there. God bless y'all. I don tire jare. It's sleep o'clock now.

wow! I'm very happy, the thread was productive. This is the first thread on nl with a conclusion. Thank you lord Jesus for thy righteous granted us by grace.

Ihedinobi: STUFF AND NONSENSE! In other words, you need to define terms and clarify meanings lost over the centuries for the Scriptures to say that sexx is ok for the unmarried.

I'm not JeSoul so I'm not of the same gentle spirit as she is and am not a mod so I am not obliged to be diplomatic. And definitely not when it's dangerous to the Cross of Christ.

The reason this devilish teaching of yours has any kind of power rightnow is that Goshen360 went and fell for it. It is because of the influence he pulls across this forum that I even bothered to give him this platform to clear things up. Or else I really wouldn't have bothered. After all, it was months back that I flagged you particularly as a danger to the Gospel and therefore made a sort of rule never to bother to engage you unless in the event of a situation such as this.

As your post proves, the Scriptures say nothing like what you suggest unless (and even when) we assume the crazy mindset that sexx is ok before marriage.

On the other hand, ah, Scripture is rife with all manner of commendation for the sexxual association of a husband and wife. There is

Drink water from your own cistern,
    running water from your own well.
16 Should your springs overflow in the streets,
    your streams of water in the public squares?
17 Let them be yours alone,
    never to be shared with strangers.
18 May your fountain be blessed,
    and may you rejoice in the wife of your youth.
19 A loving doe, a graceful deer—
    may her breasts satisfy you always,
    may you ever be intoxicated with her love.

of Proverbs 5 and

Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

of Hebrews 13:4 as well as

But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

However, it matters nothing whether I give one or one hundred witnesses to hardhearted reprobates like yourself, you will always discount them and corrupt them. It is not at all for your benefit that I produce these witnesses but for those who may be fooled by you.

To deny their power all you have to do is to consign them to the Law and I intend to fully deal with you on that very soon. For now, suffice it to say that even though the Law could not make man holy, itself was holy and its job was to ready man for Christ and the work of the Cross.

When Jesus came, He satisfied all the Law's demands and went beyond that to satisfy its spirit as well. His Death on the Cross put an end to the Law in the sense that all those who receive His Life which was released upon the event of His Death and Resurrection receive His merits and have with and in Him satisfied the demands and the spirit of the Law.

Outside of the Lord Christ, the Law still slays. If any Christian should break with the Spirit of Christ in any matter, he will come under the power of the law and be slain by it. Only as we live in the Spirit of Christ, loving one another and loving God, which fruit of this love includes self-control, can we be free of the law.

The New Law is Christ within. And He never contradicts Moses. Rather, He gives Moses life and makes him the believer's ally rather than adversary.

Your teaching is not suspect, @okeyxyz, and it is not a little dangerous. It is overtly antagonistic to the Cross of Christ. And as far as I'm concerned, you don't belong among those saved by that Cross. I have sought for signs that you do for months and you are a hopeless confusion. If you do not sort yourself out with the Lord, the end that awaits you will utterly destroy you.

this is heavy, i'll say fire and brimestone. While i totally disagree with okey on this issue and he knows it, it think this is the first time i'm seeing you hot under the collar.

ijawkid: Did you see adjective used by your ilks??.......HOLY.??.....they caLl him holy FAther........

Can you give me one good reason why a title that is reserved for the almighty alone be arrogated to one sinful imperfect man??............

Besides apostle was like a Father to those whom he helped learn the truth and not anybodys Father......no one ran around paul calling Him holy Father.........

so you are not aware that the bible calls xtians "the holy ones"?

henrisco: Who said the millions of christians killed by the roman catholic church were pagans? That is the biggest lie of our generation. The millions they killed were the true christians that chose to obey GOD Instead of the tradition of the catholic church. Do you know that the papacy wanted to elimate the bible completely? Whoever was seen with bible was either killed or jailed. This evil act was carried out for 1260
years just as predicted by the book of Daniel 7:25, before the french authority captured the pope. Catholics should repent and serve God instead of the papacy.

hehehe, u mean before napoleon invaded sovereign states and captured the pope, i'm surprised napoleon is now a good man in your eyes. I'll leave it at that.
Please do well to prove the bolded.

ijawkid: Remember we told you Christ isn't the same as his Father or the almighty because he isn't all-GOOD....remember??.....

Jesus' statement only goes a long way to help you see that he isn't part of a trinity or the same as his Father or equal with him......

Jesus clearly showe d trinitarians that there logic is wrong.......

While Jesus and the rest of us can be good,the Father is the only one who is all-GOOD......got it??......

i put it to you that you didnt read the scripture in question, Jesus didnt say God alone is all good and others are simply good. He said
why do you call me good? Only God is good.

Now i ask again since you decided to use the exclusive interpretation when christ said "d fada is d only true God" why have u refused to use it when christ says only God is good.
I put it to you that ur interpretations are inconsistent.

dokie: What do you know? i no get your time.

those who truly want to learn shall learn, those whose minds are closed by the devil need help.

the day you post things that need clarification, i will clarify, not for you but for other seekers of genuine knowledge.

in the meantime, let me engage my time in doing the will of God.

while you r still combing the net looking for the next tool you will use, try readin "Rome Sweet Home" by scott hann. it will show you how genuine anti catholics should behave, and not folks like you doing the devils bidding.

hehehe, he has already pasted an anti catholic post against rome sweet home.
Frosbel, clap for yourself.

Let me also correct something here, some of us while pushing our point we quickly accuse others that they are practicing what the catholic church taught them. So does it mean that Catholic Church has nothing good to teach at all? Pls lets stop all those things. I am also not supporting the whole catholic practice but when you feel people are not swallowing your point and you bring in catholic sentiment into it its not good. If i see anything good in catholic i will learn. Infact, i ve attended a program where a catholic priest preached and his message was very sound about salvation. i was even saying in my heart that he may have problem with the church authority because his message was too blunt contrary to what i hear some other catholic priest preach about that same issue of salvation. Lets resort to the Holy Spirit at the end of every learning o. GOD BLESS EVERYONE HERE. AMEN.

a long and interesting writeup, i was impressed except ofcourse with the last paragraphs which i quote.
I think you have to understand something, the most united font protestants have is against the catholic church that is just the simple fact. When protestants wish to condemn anything as false they necessaryly link it to the catholic church so as to appease the anti catholic sentiments of other protestants. Frosbel says Jesus didnt exist before abraham, do you know how he defends it? By claiming the catholic church made up that teaching to support the trinity. More recently obadiah decleared that Jesus was concieved by sex between joseph and mary, do u know how he defends it? By claiming the catholic church borrowed the virgin birth from a pagan god called seramis. The list goes on! But the reoccuring factor is that the catholic church taught what they declear as heresy.
Anyone schooled in the writtings of the early protestant reformer will notice the same thing, many people think the main point of the reformation was sola fide and sola scriptura, but that isn't correct, luther's idea and that of calvin were substantially different on both count, calvins doctrine can best be described as solo fide and solo scriptura. But they all had a main point of agreement, the catholic church is the anti christ, that is the main point.
Telling people there is truth in the catholic church is to remove the main part of protestanism. Why do you think the early "reformers" were called protestants?

italo: So who made the Bible "the only foot-hold that Christians have" and when was this done, since it wasnt like that in the Beginning?

this is d point, please answer.

#Yawns#

ijawkid: Lol.....try to squeeze the trinity into 1 corinthians 8:5-6..........and see how you would get all confused......

There says the one true God is the Father.......

Try fixing three persons into the Father and let's all get mad.......

can you please put the above coherently so i'll have an idea what you're talking about?

ijawkid: When Jesus said only the Father is GOOD and be called GOOD,does it mean the rest of us from Jesus are BAD??......

i believe this question should be rightly directed to bookmark and yourself, u both claim christ isn't truly God because he said the father is d only true God so please answer should this your logic also be applied to mean that Jesus isn't Good because he said only the father is Good?



I'm waiting for your answer.

ijawkid:
Lol....I saw your list up there....one thing you didn't notice is that the truth about God was explicitly explained in d scriptures,not like the other hidden details we have about when d angels were created,if they were created male or female etc...........

Even the name of God was given to us in the scriptures........

If we make do with what the scripture has to say then I see no reason why persons should believe in the trinity
.......


Those who hold on to the trinity and still think they believe in God being one are just running around in circles.........

1 corinthians 8:5-6 solves the problem.......

I'm happy you are also questioning the inconsistencies of the 3nity dogma.......

interestingly you haven't been able to prove any inconsistency. I put it to everyone on the thread, there is no untruth in the teaching of one God in 3 persons and there is nothing unscriptural there.

ijawkid: Naaaaa............
I'm just trying to jolt my men UBE and italo........we know how we dey do ourselves..........

I just can't stand when people say the trinity is a mystery...people form this doctrines,get confused by it and then call it a mystery..........Jesus in clear words explained to us who the only true God is...I don't know why we have to be confused........

i no sabi how we dey do am before oh, everyday we meet on nl you have always found a way to tag me with and uncharitable and insultive title or blackmail my believes using emotional arguement.
I have made it clear to you i don't appreciate it and i look forward to the day you'll stop it.
Peace.