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[quote author=HerexG ]The ark of God represents God's as of then, that was the major reason Joshua bowed . Back then graven images are made mostly kept at the tabernacle for mediating purpose or as a sign of holiness.
Yes, the new creation in Christ need not to bow down to any graven image, because that mediator they seek now resides in them in the person of the Holy spirit .[/quote]oh, d jew kept graven images wow!

[quote author=HerexG ]They don't have the grace we have now, Christ paid the price with His blood. He is only the mediator we got, it is said in col 1:26-27 that the mystery that has been hidden for ages has been made known to us i.e Christ in you (not mary in you) the hope of glory ! He now resides in us in the person of the Holy ghost. So why bowing down to a graven image.[/quote]hahaha, this is what i call relativism, if joshua bow to an image all is well, if catholics do so, they are idol worshippers, stop fooling around, it is called biblical principle, if joshua prostrates without comiting a sin, i can do same. Adoration is a matter of d heart not posture.

Neddivine: Italo: Question 2: do you mean that God also contradicted his own law when he asked the Israelites to make a graven image of a bronze serpent and the Cherubs of the Ark of the covenant?


This shows total lack of knowledge of easily comprehensible scripture.Does the above suggest God has commanded everyone to make statue of whomsoever he/she adores and commence worship and prayers thru such idol?Listen don't pretend not to know that God never instructed Israel to bow to or pray thru the brasen serpent.He only told them to look.Did God command the catholics to make an image of Mary and bow and pray thru her? This is total obscurity or a mere pretence just to win an arguement.

oh! 4 d ark of d covenant they prostrated! How abt that?

truthislight: An express instruction from God is what it is, an express instruction.

Where did you get the instruction to make an image of Mary and Christ?

stupid question, where did God tell ur pastor to use microphone?

[quote author=HerexG ]Our Christ our Lord is far too bigger than what you take Him to be, Jesus never hold His earthly parents to a high esteem as you folks think. Remember when He was 12years teaching at the synagogue, He told His earthly parents not to look for Him, that He is busy with His Father's business.[/quote]and d next verse of that passage says "and he followed them home".

Parental attachment to Christ while on the right hand side of the Father is nothing but a lie from the pit of hell, i repeat before Mary is Christ was. The devil loves counterfeiting the glory of God, the Romans worship the spirit of semiramis before the advent of Mary, they used Christianity as cover up for there pagan worship. (Study the link above it is from a Israeli rabbi).

buh, go see a therapist, d above is really twisted.

[quote author=HerexG ]* Don't get it twisted, i never said she damned in hell
*Never compare the earthly realm with the spiritual real, they are the different entity, their is no father or mother in the realm of the spirit. Only your deed and faith in God and His words will speak for you. As for Christ recognizing Mary as His mother is a hoax, because before Mary is Christ was. Mary only speak for herself where ever she is now.[/quote]oh u talking of deeds? Bringing christ to d world is d most noblest-est deed i know, infact by her "let it be" she made ur salvation posible. Oh and faith? Among d pipo d bible blessed 4 their faith is mary, do u know d verse dat says "blessed is she who believe dat d promised made to her will be fulfilled"? Haha, i think she beats ur record silly on both counts. Now try again.

[quote author=HerexG ]Do you think Christ still recognise Mary as His mother ? Heaven and earth shall pass away but His word will never pass away. Everything connecting Mary and Christ has passed away, except she got saved in her life time, if not so, nothing for her .[/quote]hahaha, dis mean ur salvation has passed away hehehe, 'cos d tin connecting mary and Jesus is ur salvation, sorry!

Neddivine: All thru the time of the disciples and apostles & converted gentile multitudes from Acts till Revelation in d bible there was no special reference or recognition accorded to Mary except to Lord Jesus.Their was no prayer to God made through her.Their was no honor supplication or intercession made for her or through her yet the catholics chose on their own to Deify her and give her honors due only to the Most High God and His son Jesus.I was once a catholic & can testify that till tomorow catholics bow,reverence,pray to and make obeisance to any statue of Mary contrary to Exodus 20:4,5:-
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:thou shalt not bow down to them....
Some go ahead to make dedicated alters in their sitting room with the statue of Mary where they always pray and make obeisance.Who could tell me then I was in error.I could literarily kill should u try to convince me contrary or try to pull me out of the catholic faith.Catholics are bonded to their doctrines similar way muslims are to theirs.Arguements will hardly convince them but strong persistent fervent prayers which is lacking among penticostals these last days.

dont worry kiddo, wen d crazy in my day slows down i'll open a thread on the topic. Hmm just watch out for it.

holyvirgin:

Lol, all this protestants will not kill me, they always try to discredit the church even when they sound stupid.
Good answer @ benedictus

my sista i don tire 4 dem oh! Them go just give dog bad name and sentence am to death by hanging.

Segeggs: we put pictures of loved ones on our walls but dont bow down and worship them like u do to ur mary picture and statues.once a practice is not traceable 2 jesus christ,the author and finisher of the christian faith,then it is not christian.

i bet u kiss d pictures of ur loved ones.

truthislight: the bible Judges you.

no! U made ur own private interpretation of scriptures and u are trying to guilt people into accepting it. U are d judge.

Pvictor10: I am the way, the truth, and Life. No man comes unto the father except by me.
Jesus is not part of d many ways 2 seek God, but the ONLY WAY. MARY, OUT OF IT!

wow! Love the statement, Jesus is the only way to the father, there is no other way, not sts michael or mary or anna! Only christ Jesus! And by baptism every christain is incorporated into christ and thus share in the ministry of christ thru d action of d holyspirit (even a milk-feed-bible-student should know this). By this unique incorporation, mary, paul, peter etc are all in christ and they all serve as beacons to d one unique mediator who ransomed us by his sacrificial death.
The saint esp mary aren't ends in themselves, they are means to an end, d end is God thru christ Jesus. The saints are simply our brothers and sisters who by their examples and prayer point us to Christ. Just as mary told d servants at cana "do what he tell u" she continues to tell christain d same anywhere d gospel is preach and d gospel read "do what he tell u".
ThankGOD for his saints.

Ishilove: I'm up to the task

eh, eh, what does dat mean?

wiegraf: Why would you say that? Survival of the fittest is more capitalism (yet oddly enough communism seems to kill a lot more people on average), though that's not strictly accurate as well. Secularism is separation of church and state. A lot of the time a tribes members share the same 'church', so by extension secularism is associated with less tribalism or other forms of discrimination. Though these qualities are not strictly required for secularism, only religion is. You should get the picture, it's associated with progressives, equality, plurality, etc

They practice what most atheists hold true? Puzzling as usual. We believe in mass murder? Were did you get that notion from?

And hitler was at the very least religious even if he wasn't xtian or an active member of a church. But regardless, how were either of them following atheist doctrine?

wen i talk of secularism, i mean
www.newadvent.org/cathen/13676a.htm
the devolopment of man on nothing more that "natural morality" away from theism or atheism. Problem no 1 natural morality is a mirage, on its own very problematic, very subjective and prone to relativism. There is hardly a thing called "natural morality". It is purely according to individual perspective. With such "morality" i wont be suprise if involuntary euthanasia is done on a drone sydrom patient 10yrs from now. Becos d so called natural morality is ever changing.

wiegraf: Heh heh, but killing the weak is not the secular way to go, far from it. Hitler et al were more or else fascists, authoritarians of some sort etc. The secular path usually goes hand in hand with democracy for instance means the exact opposite, freedom for all.

I wouldn't even say killing the weak is the logical way to go for the super cold dictators, fascists, etc. Consider henry ford (I think), increased salaries and his fellow industrialists thought him crazy. Next thing, he has the most productive work force around and is making the most money. Happy worker = productive worker. You go around killing people I doubt their loved ones would be much happy with that. Let's not even mention ethics.

u didnt really stray from my point at all, d state doesn't kill or deport d unproductive so as not to lose face. Using an economic len those unproductive are just consuming space and limited resource.

It is common for people to imagine life without religion equates to some sort of immoral org.y, but that's usually a terrible assumption. Even the HDI points in the complete opposite actually. For one, it usually means equal treatment of all, regardless of color, religion etc. Then again, most people here seem to incapable of discerning between communism and secular states with large atheist population. These states are usually driven by humanistic principles which don't discriminate (or at least try not to). Humanistic codes are highly ethical, again, one need only look at the HDI

when law is totally freed from morality (d sense of right and wrong), it does fall into relativism and believe, every body has his own perspective and excuse.

This is all correct. I simply don't think it should be, but IT IS WHAT IT IS, in buzugee parlance.

tobechi20: . Could God be soliquicing?

i think u read obadiah's post about wisdom keeping God company, God might be talking to dat "wisdom" of his.

9icetoo: I know that priest herexg, and may God bless his soul. i witnessed something similar with him. We gave him rice and yam and stuffs like that once when he visited us. As he left our house, he took it to a destitute home near our house and offered it as gifts to the homeless there. His actions touched my mother so much that she personally went on a visit to that place and offered them stuffs and spent some time with them. That singular act lives in my memory as a true act of a true xtian. I am not saying giving a car to a pastor is bad but have u looked around u and helped those really in need with that blessing from God? Whatsoever u do to the least of us, that u do unto HIM. #word#

wu is d priest?

9icetoo: I know that priest herexg, and may God bless his soul. i witnessed something similar with him. We gave him rice and yam and stuffs like that once when he visited us. As he left our house, he took it to a destitute home near our house and offered it as gifts to the homeless there. His actions touched my mother so much that she personally went on a visit to that place and offered them stuffs and spent some time with them. That singular act lives in my memory as a true act of a true xtian. I am not saying giving a car to a pastor is bad but have u looked around u and helped those really in need with that blessing from God? Whatsoever u do to the least of us, that u do unto HIM. #word#

wu is d guy?

truthislight: some people dont know their problem.

I imagine a fish figuring out the world of humans and coming to terms with the possibly of living outside water for eternity?

abey take am easy, ge ge

Ishilove: Wow, I never knew I had so many 'loves'...

dat means u are in trouble.

Logicboy03: wow....someone has become a superior psychoanalyst!!!!


So I am depressed and frustrated?


I think that you should read your bible about judging and bearing false witness.

actually d bible gat no problem with what i said above.

wiegraf: By your reasoning dead unproductive members are useless to the state. Suicidal people are usually pretty useless, so I can't see what you're complaining about. So are elderly, I suppose, people with disabilities, etc. State doesn't need them, they cannot be rehabilitated or it would simply cost too much to do so. So where's the problem with them being dead?

i hear hitler did this, he followed d principle to d letter, if i would use my secular lens, d above has just one disadvantage, it make u lose face to d masses. That is what d state doesnt want. From my secular lens d state only hold those rights to guarantee d goodwill of d populance.

Hehheh. Anyways, governments are also there to protect individual rights. Very important. The US for instance featured a lot of people fleeing religious persecution, their individual right, among it's early inhabitants. Your wishes, so long as they do not harm another, should not be persecuted. Simple. It's your individual right. In a manner of speak, no one should have the right to tell you what you do with your own property. Why? So for all these victimless crimes, really, I cannot see how they qualify as crimes? (bestiality though has victims, that I can agree with). I do not have to agree with them, but why should they be persecuted by law?
Assisted suicide is very tricky, and no time. I'll add it to the list, ty.

intarasting, i remember saying sumtin abt law and morality. That aside, even those rights are subjective in a secular world, for instance saudi arabia doesnt recognise freedom of religion, communist states like china will crack down freedom of association and press wen it likes. I think all these issue depend on ur prespective. Apart from my raw secular lens, i think law in a democracy has to do with d whim of d majority, as long as there are more religious pipo, those laws will remain, becos religion doesnt measure crime on been vitimless.

Delafruita: you cant just attempt to disprove a fact without any fact.king james had the bible translated to english in 1611 AD.so in your wisdom,you assume there was noBible for 1611 years.the Bible was compiled at the councilof nicea in 325 AD.there was already a compiled old testament as far back as 250 AD.constantine brought together 318 bishops to settle the rift among the "co-mediatrix" group and the others and offered to make christianity the state religion if they could compile a holy book and settle the discord.

history records that constantine was converted by followers of pa/l's doctrine and though he gave up mithreism,he still adapted a lot of its practices such as december 25 and trinity.he had over 300 different books that differed from paul's teachings burnt.other books were edited most famous been the description of the raising of lazarus by Mark because according to the Bishops "it described a mystery cult".thats why there's no account of lazarus been raised in mark.
if you wanna make a point or disprove a point,make sure you have the facts.james was influential to christianity because he had the bible translated to english and allowed it to be mass produced.but he didnt compile it

anyone who reads d above must read it with a heavy dose of salt. D bible wasnt compiled in nicea, d synod of rome, council of hippo and council of cathage were responsible, d documents of d synod of rome are no longer exant. And during d time of constantine there was no "co-mediatrix" group. Christmas started before constatine so it is inaccurate to credit christmas to constantine. Dala abeg correct urself

[quote author=frosbel][/quote]d pagans also have "holy books" does that make d bible false? Ur logic is defective, muslims have beads doesnt make d rosary beads false.

Delafruita: the catholics compiled the Bible.that is a fact.
the rosary was invented in 1090 AD

nah, its history went futher back, it didnt just land it developed as a communual prayer

the doctrine of purgatory came into existence in 1428AD at a time the church was seeking to raise funds to wage warrs of conquest.

nah, d doctrine of purgatory came centuries dat date, infact its history can be traced back to judaism, then to d xtians area and d church fadas like origen, ambrose of milan, gregory d great, council of lyon etc. It far preceeds d date u put up. Purgatory wasnt invented during d crusades. Get ur history right

the doctrine of trinity came from constanstine who proclaimed "houinoosios" meaning "of one essence".a philosophy he got from plato

it goes futher back, into d Nt era, down to justin and co, tertullian and co, b4 d council of nicea, besides constantine didnt suggest that word nor was he part of d real arguements.

there is actually evidence for easter celebration in the Bible.Jesus said "do this in remembrance of me" and since then the apostles and early christians observed the day of his ressurection which fell on 14th day of Nisan.however,the catholics decided to rather celebrate the death rather than the resurrection and brought it to 12th day of Nisan.

where did u get the date shifting from?

i wonder why you cant take a few minutes to do some reading.just arguing baselessly.even a f.ool knows the catholics compiled the Bible and did so selectively.the catholics werent perfect,infact they were far from perfect.Popes had wives,concubines and even committed incest.they waged wars and demanded huge amounts for short stay in purgatory and limbo,but the fact is they created christianity and made it what it is.

your list of d cath church flaws is spot on, good work.

Delafruita: that is becausse the rosary was invented by peter the hermit in 1090 AD and he claimed to have received it from Mary.pope augustine accepted it and ordered its use in prayer

it preceeded peter d hermit.

hailing mary is about lk 1: 48b for behold from henceforth all generations will call me blessed the rosary fulfils dat prophesy.

hillsate: What is this hailing Mary all about. Mary was a common human like me who was favoured to be a channel of the saviour's birth. She did not earn that position, but was only favoured.

amen. She was favoured, it wasnt earned and blessed is he whom d lord favours. She was human correct, just extremely favoured.

Anybody could have been that channel.

not true, God doesnt act abitraryly, not just anybody but a particular person a virgin.

There was nothing special about that. Hailing Mary is simply idolatory. Why didnt Jesus even mention Mary to help him while on the cross?

did Jesus even call his father to help him on d cross? No instead he said eli, eli, lama sabatani, he didnt need mary to help him on d cross. Mary had another role to play and he said it on d cross. John 19:26 and her job was to be a mother to d beloved disciple. A role she plays.

Secondly, there may be nothing wrong in using the rosary as a means ''guiding'' you through some prayers (if you really call that prayer). Two issues arise from here.
1. Hail Mary is not a prayer. Mary has no relevance in our salvation and our relationship with God. Did even Peter or apostle Paul make any significant mention of Mary? No!!! It simply idolatory and not scriptural

first of all what do u understand by the word "pray". And where did u here mary is totally insignificant in ur salvation? Did Jesus fall from heaven to redeem u? So actually he "let it be" (fiat) make a real significance in ur salvation and at least paul remember to tell us that christ was "born of a woman" and all d mention peter needed to make, mark helped him make. What is idolatrous there? Or have u redefined d word idolatry?

2. Why must the rosary be made in certain quarters if truly it is only a ''guide''. I even wonder where that places the Holy Spirit.

what do u mean by the bolded? Sorry d rosary is not made in certain quarters, there was a time in my life when i made rosaries, except d chain and diamond rosaries dat are hard to make. The rosary isnt made in "certain quarters" i have made many and i know people who still make many. It is used for counting and doesnt replace d guidiance of d holyspirit at all. Infact befor every rosary prayer u invite d holyspirit.

ijawkid: The cartholics didn't write d bible did they??
The apostles and prophets of old did so dnt give me that crap...

How would some people write up a book that is against there beliefs??
Does it make sense??

Then why compile d book in d 1st place....

Why can't we find d words trinity,purgatory,rosary,easter etc in d original texts of d scriptures??

Why??

if they compiled d bible then mayb they made some mistakes not to add words that wuld support there pagan practices today.....

they didnt need to add anything, it wasnt neccesary, those words were formed to state in one word what the xtians believed. They didnt need to add it.

ijawkid: $

Question is d catholics compiled a book that prohibits or says nothing about d rosary..

It means something is wrong

wow, i see rosary whenever i open d bible, infact i open my bible at time in order to say rosary. All d aim of d rosary is to meditate on d life of christ.

EMILO2STAY: @pacify.
If u cant defend the rosary with any scriptural backing then shut up! u are the ignorant one. The catholic having more than 1bilion members does not make it a true church afteral the bible says that false christ and prophets shall arise and decieve MANY.

and did d article attack with scriptural backing?