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obadiah777: LOL I GO AMEND AM TO REMOVE YOUR NAME .

seriallink: @Mr. Ube,
You never cease amuse me Mr. Ube; it's very clear that you are the one that is confused! Obadiah is saying that God plans everything and they all happen according to His will, were you not saying the same thing?

I hope you are not saying God pre-plan evil?

I never said God doesn't know what the outcome of Satan's temptation to Adam and Eve would be,

I'm only saying He wasn't part of the plan that led to the fall of man. God is righteous, being omniscience doesn't make him change in the future which is why i refused to accept the idea that God actually does evil or works with Satan. He knew satan would tempt Adam & Eve and they would fall out of their own free will, that doesn't make Him part of plan that would make them fall. God knew Satan would mastermind the plan that would make them fall which was why He had a back up plan of sending the Messiah to reconcile man to Him because He loves him.

2Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began

So, for saying God and Satan work together and/or complement each other is wrong. Unless ofcourse you are not supporting Obadiah's idea of God and Satan working together.

seriallink: I understand your stance now. But you were misinterpreting my statements too! Read the post I made before this one!

pastormustwacc: See as boys dey uproot scriptures.

BARRISTERS: True and authentic!, plenty plenty still dey! just concentrate on what you are doing and let me engage them with their criminal past. and let the whole world see their yansh!

BARRISTERS: @ubenedictus



this type of your illiteracy has entered 'agono' or 'alagono' like the yorubas says, instead of you to have asked what 'your worship' and other legal 'registers' means before proceeding on a public here on NL to expose your dirty linnen. now in legal terms, if you dont know, these registers you mention above with ignorance are exclusively for legal usages, no judge is called 'your worship' ehn? but they are addressed that way because of their superiority among those seated in the court.

there is no link between using 'your worship' addresing a judge complying with legal requirements in a court of law, and the pope who on his own wrote in his Bull and was said to be permitting and encouraging the worship of the seven archangels

''Pope Pius V said in his Bull to the Spanish Clergy, permitting and encouraging the worship of the seven archangels

the difference is that is that the decision to singlehandedly permit and encouraged such idolatory act was not a unanimous resolution,but he forced or led the church into idolatory.while that of the court are unanimously agreed to and adressed to the judges 'office'. okay?
olodo.


you are a liar, see picture A below, your priests were blessing armoury,and guns, actively participating in blessing tools that will be used not to kill grasscutters or antelopes but a fellow humans like you, now can you say that these priests respect Gods command

THOU SHALL NOT KILL? but the priest blessed the armoury with so-called holy water not mindfull of other catholics in the other opponents camp. we saw catholics soldiers (britain/America) vs catholic soldiers (france)(germany) killing each other,

what a shame, see the pics of a shamefull act of your priest below pics A


yeah,

obadiah777: YEAH TRUTHISLIGHT IS ALWAYS ARGUING AHAINST HIMSELF. I THINK THAT BRAH HAS MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISORDER

obadiah777: HE IS RIGHT IN BELIEVING IN PREDESTINATION. LORD KNOWS THE END FROM THE BEGINNING. LET ME GET YOU A PREDESTINATION SCRIPTURE

REVELATION 22 VS 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

DANIEL 12 VS 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

THOSE ARE PREDESTINATION SCRIPTURES IF YOU CAN RECIEVE THEM

seriallink: I get your point. But Mr. Ube is not saying the same. He believes in predestination and also believe that the fall of man was pre-planned! That would make God a liar, you know?

Well, like I said, there is a huge difference between your interpretations of scripture and the normal thing I read from the scripture. Maybe, as time goes on, I'll get to understand where you are coming from!

seriallink: Buzugee, hailings brah. We no see your breaklight yesterday, hope you are okay.

As regards to your post, what's the difference between free will and original sin? because it seems you are mixing it there. From my understanding, man was created without sin but with an ability to choose (Free will). The ability to choose is God's gift and not sin; Satan brought sin into the world through the first man, that doesn't mean God predestined or planned it to happen that way!

obadiah777: AND TO FURTHER SOLIDIFY YOUR POINT, SEEING AS SERIALLINK IS BEING HIS USUAL PHARISEE SELF LOL

ISAIAH 46 VS 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: THE POINT HERE IS YOU CANT TAKE EVERY BIBLICAL VERSE LITERALLY. THE VERSE GENESIS 6 VS 6 JUST HAD TO BE SAID. DOES NOT MEAN THE LORD DID NOT SEE IT COMING. HE GAVE THE WORLD TO MAN, GAVE MAN FREEWILL FROM THE START ( THE PROVERBIAL TREE OF GOOD AND EVIL ) BUT KNEW MAN WOULD FALL. HOWEVER HIS WILL HAS TO BE DONE. HE STILL GAVE MAN THE WORLD ANYWAY. AND THEN HE WILL CULL THOSE WHO DID NOT FALL AWAY FROM THOSE WHO FELL. AND THOSE WHO DID NOT FALL WILL BE THE SEALED ELECT. THEY WILL BE THE ONES HE WILL GIVE THE WORLD TO EVENTUALLY WHEN HIS KINGDOM IS ESTABLISHED ON EARTH. DO YOU SEE THE FULL PICTURE ? THIS IS A MERIT BASED SELECTION PROCESS ON WHO HE WILL GIVE THE WORLD TO. THE RIGHTEOUS WILL INHERIT THE EARTH. THATS ALL THIS HAS BEEN

obadiah777: NAH THE BIBLE DESTRUCTION GROUP IS WHO REMOVED IT. WAS A GROUP FORMED IN THE 1800S. THEY ARE GRECO-ROMANS, OR WHAT YOU WILL CALL, CAUCASIANS TODAY. SAME PEOPLE. THE BIBLE WAS TAMPERED WITH AND ALTERED TO PROMOTE WHITE SUPERIORITY AND TO DECIEVE

obadiah777: THEY GOT REMOVED IN THE 1800S NOT 1600S. BIBLE ONLY GOT COMPILED IN 1611.

seriallink: @ Mr. Ube, If God had predestined man to fall, He wouldn't have instructed him not to eat from the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

God knew Satan was looking for worship too and might come with his temptations to brainwash man into disobeying God and worshipping him (Satan) to justify his rebellion against God, so that he won't be punished. And for the fact that God created man with an ability to make a choice (Free will), it'll be illogical not to instruct him and tell him the consequences of his actions should he chose to disobey!

God is not an author of confusion. Predestination would only work with free will in the sense that the end result of doing good and evil are eternal life and death respectively. Unless Yahweh has a special interest in some cases for His own reasons as stated by truthislight.

Boomark: Awake didn't see predestination in the bible and it does not teach it. So tell us what your bulletin saw and added in the bible.

truthislight: what some silly contradiction.

Well, God cant operate at this your low frequency.

truthislight: if God had destroyed Adam and satan from the onset how will the faithful angels have come to know that satan was unto no good?

God let him run his cause for all to see.

That is why you and me are able to know that satan is a liar, well, not you and me but me and others minus you and Obediah777 that sees "good in satan"

God can foreodain whatever he has interest in, and can tell what the future will be if he is interest on that issue and work to see it to the end. But it is not all that man has Interest in that Yahweh will be interested in.

If i decide to be immoral tomorrow are you saying that Yahweh will still be interested in that or he will abandon me to my desire?

Yes, he will abandon such a person but he knows all the ways of man that he has already giving laws and warning to that end.
Like Adam, he said, "if you eat from the tree of knowledge of good and bad you will positively die"
yes, Adam will die God said, not that he had already predestine him to eat and die, but he God being the source of life to Adam knows he will abandon him should he disobeyed him being the source of life and that will lead to Adam's death since he was the one sustaining him and can sustain him for all eternity. Disconnection will lead to death.

^^^ Yahweh and satan cannot shear anything(both masters cannot shear)

God knowing of the future is Good, that enable him to give infallible laws that can stand the test of time and put confidence in us that all he has promise will come to pass, but not to use that to justified predestination of all men.

Same thing for Esau and Jecob, God shows by his foresight that he appreciate those that have a love of spiritual things and hate those that shows disdain for spiritual things.
This rather build my faith in his promises for the future.
Same goes with the intake of blood, from the time of Noah till the time of the Israelite, to the apostles, God said dont eat blood though all the nations all around were eating blood.
How will he had explain what "HIV aids" is for those ancient people to understand what he meant?

But he simply said dont eat blood.
And all those that have had full trust and confidence on Yahweh have reap countless blessing from that obedience and will also be rewarded with eternal life for being obedient to him.

Such are the beauty of Yahweh's foresight.

ijawkid: Ok.........but I still dey loyal......:-).......

seriallink: @Mr Ube,
You do know that the relationship between God and man (before the original sin) is not the same as after the original sin right? So, to suggest that God actually gave man free will before original sin and also predestined him to fall is wrong! That would just be like a setup my guy.

If man had fallen according to God's predestination, there would be no reason for Him (God) to be sorry He created man!

Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

ijawkid: I never knew you were married UBE....abeg I throway salute........shun SIR!!!!!!!!.......

Boomark: Good work bro!

He wount agree with what the scriptures said but will quickly rush and grab whatever their church fathers say.

seriallink: Mr. Ube,
This is from your favorite Catholic Douay-Rheims Bible translation:

Acts 17:11 Now these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, who received the word with all eagerness, daily searching the scriptures, whether these things were so.

The passage about clearly contradicts your dogma of papal infallibility!

Paul corrected Peter when he made a mistake praticising what was unscriptural([url=online-bible-study.net/douay-rheims-online-bible/Galatians/2/]Galatians 2:11-22-from your favorite DRV[/url])

Jesus himself rebuked Peter when Satan used him to tempt Jesus:

Mark 8:33 Who turning about and seeing his disciples, threatened Peter, saying: Go behind me, Satan, because thou savorest not the things that are of God, but that are of men.

Boomark: Catechism or from bulletins!

May be he is trying to say that he was given the freewill to do what he is predestined to do.

Welldone bro!

Boomark: You shouted amen to this but fail to ask him what the half satanic spirit he said God created in every being (including jesus) is doing there. The one that also tempted Jesus.

SMH for follow follow people!

Boomark: You shouted amen to this but fail to ask him what the half satanic spirit he said God created in every being (including jesus) is doing there. The one that also tempted Jesus.

SMH for follow follow people!

truthislight: and you have not told us which of christ apostles wrote the apocriphal books since the NT are written by christ apostles.

truthislight: i dont know how this ^^^ translate to what you had said "that God knows the end from the beginning of everything and how it will turn out"

meaning that Yahweh already knows/created Adam that satan will test him and Adam will fall right from the start.

That is all we have is the way Yahweh predestined it to be.

Why twist the meaning of what you had said?

was this not what you had said to me:



^^^ is what i mean, the other is a comaflag.

you will change like a camelaeon?

It also means that there is nothing like the original sin since all is a stage by Yahweh.

You completely contradicted the bible and called God a liar.

May be that is what you learnt in your.......

truthislight: Adam was a free moral Agent or freewill agent.

What is the use of freewill if Adam could not exercised it?

If you should build a toy car with a remote control and then remote controlled it into a ditched after which you pulled it out and smartched it for falling into the ditch.

Between you and the toy car who is insane?
Are you not the one that drove it into the ditched?

If Adam was predestined to eat the fruit, it would mean insanity on Yahweh's part to come and punish him with death including his children that has all been predestined also since he did the predestination in the firstt place. Who is fooling who?

Friend, set your theory/theology right and stop painting Yahweh black.

That i love and can play music does not mean that i will be playing music 24/7, 30days a month/ 365days a year till infinity.

^^^ No

there is time for every thing.

I will play music and also do other things.

We are created in God's image.

Yahweh does only what that pleases him in justice and love.

He says his face is toward the righteouse and the unrighteouse are something detestable to him his eye does not behold evil.

Yes, if he wishes, he can foretell the future like in the case of Jesus coming to earth and Giving us a kingdom.

That does not mean that he does not endowed his intelligent creatures with dignity to decide what to do.

If satan feels that God predestine every person why did he go and tempt Adam and succeeded and went for Jesus and fail?

The truth is that satan knows that Yahweh does not predestined human and that is why he goes and tempt them to fall.

He only offered Job protection and not that he had predestined Job, so, satan only ask that the protection be removed.

Yes, satan needed worship from Yahweh's intelligent creatures and has started out in heaven, but Adam had a choice on who to obey and hence the instructions.

Yahweh is a God of Justice Job 34:10-12

^^^

"Yahweh is a God of justice and does not pervat judgment, according to the way earthling man acts so God will reward him"

very long post one i agree with u just didnt address my points! God allowed adam to chose, he also knew that adam will fall, God didnt need to see d result of satans deception b4 he would to know that satan is a liar, no! GOD ALWAY KNEW THE RESULT OF SATANS DECEPTION EVEN B4 IT WAS ACCOMPLISHED. That is my point.

plappville: This your kwestion dem too big to answer. And as you no get stress, etc...why not just direct me to the socalled discussion? Abi you think say na only NL forum I dey visit? Well, forget it. The thread continues, no trow me sideline insultive kwestion please.

Peace!

BARRISTERS: @chukwudi44

who said that there are other arch angel? definately not the JWS,



didnt you guys say that you dont worship angels? or mary? now your yansh don open see am here;

Pope Pius V said in his Bull to the Spanish Clergy, permitting and encouraging the worship of the seven archangels

onyi-oshi!

Pope Pius V said in his Bull to the Spanish Clergy, permitting and encouraging the worship of the seven archangels

BARRISTERS: @chukwudi44

who said that there are other arch angel? definately not the JWS,



didnt you guys say that you dont worship angels? or mary? now your yansh don open see am here;

Pope Pius V said in his Bull to the Spanish Clergy, permitting and encouraging the worship of the seven archangels

onyi-oshi!

Pope Pius V said in his Bull to the Spanish Clergy, permitting and encouraging the worship of the seven archangels