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italo: Amen, my brother.

the year has been name "year of faith" by the pope and catholic are encouraged to read scriptures and d ccc.

italo: I am. Perhaps, you might want to talk to me.

we are, perhaps u may want to speak to us.
Peace

chukwudi44: You must be a very big fool. You are asking if the pope does travel for evangelism or church visits ? It is either you are brazenly provocative or astonishly uneducated.

How many churches and members does Adeboye,oyedepo and oritsejafor have outside nigeria? The three churches combined has far less than 1million members in disaora compared to the pope who has more than 1.1billion members outside italy.

@baby_123

Neither the pope nor the vatican do own a private jet.The popes flies the national carrier of italy alitalia in his travels

chukwudi d above bolded is inappropriate, modify ur post and remove it.

[quote author=acidosis™]Do pope travel to different countries for evangelism, open crusades, outreach, church visitations (improptu & urgent church services in other branches) ??

Most people come here to shout "Private Jet" without addressing the importance of a transport medium..

You expect your pastor to queue every blessed day for church programmes?[/quote]yeah the pope travels very much.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]BAAL

https://cache2.artprintimages.com/lrg/15/1508/VY5BD00Z.jpg[/quote]this looks like a cartoon alien,

seriallink: ^^^ Now, you are talking!! I never meant to write all that but I was angry when I saw your post, after warning one jimmy_jones for calling me 'madam' on the Pope's thread the other day and you were there; so, I was surprised you called me that again today! Well, I never knew you didn't know. But It's very annoying to call a man 'madam' when he isn't gay! That was just my point brah!

And as for your Pope, I do not agree with what you said, because it's unscriptural. Your Popes are infallible but the scripture isn't? Smh!!!

the scriptures are inerrant, and infallibility is a characteristic of the church and it is excercised by her leaders. "the church is the pillar and foundation of truth"

trolling: see how christianity and catholism has brainwashed u, dont u know that it was the pope/romans/gentiles that killed Petet,Paul, James so how could he have passed it to him when they killed him, abi u know dey research the history of catholism n christainity, i believe you think Christ is a white boy,with blue eyes and blonde hair,u might even have a white god in your house,who knows, u've been fooled,but yr eye go open but it might be too late.

hahahaha, the pope killed peter james and john, trolling u are a troll and u spew jokes that arent funny!

trolling: no worry your eye go soon happen,just wait till he goes to Jerusalem....Blindness has happened to Israel until the "fullness" of the Gentiles(Europeans)

the false prophets, the pope b4 ben went to israel and nting happened. U have started to put words in Gods mouth, read d bible and see what happens to prophets like that.

trolling: catholism equals pedophilia,homosexualism, spiritual fornication and adultery,blasphemers, mother of all harlots , the 4 beasts, the place of basilica(serpent) do ur research instead of kissing your pope's feet and ass,

thou art entitled to thy opinion

Allohrandy: I wonder the day we would get a non European pope

there have been many non european both throughout history, are u ignorant of that?

seriallink: Oh, okay!! You are the same FAĢĢOT calling me madam of the other thread right?

When you have no point to make, you quickly resort to your normal homo lust to run away from the topic right? It's very clear that you are 100% FAĢ!!! I Smh for what your Church has taught you!!

I'm no gay Mr. Ube, if you are looking for an aśś to blow, you better talk. There are alot on Nairaland!!!

Back to my question, do you believe that without the Pope there is no salvation for you?
Answer my question Mr. Ube....

unfortunately it seems u mistook me for another, i'm no gay neither am i d person on "the other thread". I simply thought u were a she. And i'm no prostitute, i dont go abt looking 4 someone to "blow" and if i do need someone to "blow" it will be my wife, it is a pity that d first thought that ran thru ur mind was gay and "blow".
And to the question he wu acknowledges a truth i don't act accordingly is a hypocrite! If i acknowledge the pope is a minister to all christ flock and refuse to give him ear then i will most certainly answer 4 it b4 God. As christ said "if u were blind u would have been faultless but since u admit that you see..."

nairabacks: And he [Antichrist] shall speak great words against
the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the
most High, and think to change times ..." Daniel 7:25

and y is dis verse here? Wu is speaking "great word against the most high"?

Enigma: ^^^ I do not believe in treating Mary as mediatrix.

I agree that honour is due to her and the Bible gives her this. See Luke 1:28 etc; also, look up something called The Magnificat.

not suprised, u reject the belief in the communion of saints so im not really suprised that u don't consider mary an intercessor.
Ur last paragraph i agree with.

k2039: Ofcourse Jesus was never God

and thou art entitled to thy opinion.

plappville: Rejected by who, he who is most perfect in interpreting Rev? i didn`t notice that anyway!

im suprised u dont remember d discussion with obadiah, do u suffer from memory loss, excessive stress? Or ar u pulling my legs?

truthislight: the true tradition does not contradict the bible my friend.

i already answered this b4. It seem u have an unhealthy habit of repeating on post again and again. I asked u b4 and i ask u again, are u ok?

pastormustwacc: This is something i did not really want to post before, but because of all these RCC jamtalking, i don post am.

RCC believe they have a license to kill for God, and that the pope actually has the power to send anyone to heaven or hell. I doubt if many of those RCC members even know what anathema means.

Anathemas By Mary Ann Collins (A Former Catholic Nun) : Read Carefully Everyone

and

Does The Roman Catholic Church Deny The Jesus Of The Bible?

so u read an ex-catholic to know abt d catholic church abi? That is like asking d average nigerian christian to talk abt ifa and olokun! It is not objective and it is and indication of how disperate you are to insult the CC. Anathema can be found in the bible, so if u were a gud bible student u shuld know what anathema means! It seems u are not.
The bolded portion proves u are a liar that isnt part of catholic theology

pastormustwacc: This is something i did not really want to post before, but because of all these RCC jamtalking, i don post am.

RCC believe they have a license to kill for God, and that the pope actually has the power to send anyone to heaven or hell. I doubt if many of those RCC members even know what anathema means.

Anathemas By Mary Ann Collins (A Former Catholic Nun) : Read Carefully Everyone

and

Does The Roman Catholic Church Deny The Jesus Of The Bible?

so u read an ex-catholic to know abt d catholic church abi? That is like asking d average nigerian christian to talk abt ifa and olokun! It is not objective and it is and indication of how disperate you are to insult the CC. Anathema can be found in the bible, so if u were a gud bible student u shuld know what anathema means! It seems u are not.

pastormustwac: The catholic church did not write the scriptures in the bible.
They have their reasons *emperor constantine* for compiling the bible, and throwing out scriptures that do not favor them.
Find out about the gnostic christians, and their history.

constatine had no bearing whatsoever as regards d compilation of d bible!

seriallink: Mr. Ube, the Pope's follower and defender!!! I hope you also believe that 'WITHOUT THE POPE, THERE IS NO SALVATION'. At least, that is one of the traditions that was passed on by mouth to Catholics by one of their infallible Popes!!!

All Non-Catholics who do not believe in your Pope are hell bound!! Smh
I'd really like to know your take on that!
You might wanna go through this thread again: Salvation is only possible through the Vicar of Christ (The Pope)

sorry madam, but how wish u learnt to interprete b4 u presume! Listen to the teaching clearly it says:
1. Salvation is by christ Jesus,
2. The tool of the said salvation is d body of christ,
3. The minister to that body is the pope!
No one therefore shuld claim to make another body by which others shuld be saved and to be it minister thereof and if that body isn't d body of christ it isnt 4 salvation.
Please note that the said statement are not aimed at anybody and catholic believe God will and can save wu he wishes even a pagan not to talk of a protestant.
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm read §846 down it address ur question. I won't be accused of ur misunderstanding of what i believe!

Boomark: Why No? Was it not God that asked Moses to make the bronze snake for the israelites to look unto it and get healing? Anyway you answered well.

There are so many lessons to learn from my question and your answer.

It is always good to wait for God to instruct you before you create anything, if not you are making an idol and He will not associate Himself with it. You might making your self the instructor of things He does not approve.

Since images are being made @ random, lucifer that desire worship like say tomorrow no dey will take the opportunity and make his own image to be bowed to. He is very cunning. You can't say whose image you kneel and bow to, even though you name it jesus.

Please let us carefully examine these things.

hahaha, wen u don't address honor and prayer to the image, the image is never an occasion for idolatry. If i am in a prison and d jailors put d physical image of d devil b4 me and i address my prayas to christ and bow my head during d prayer does that mean i worship satan? No it doesnt. In that case d said image is immaterial, if d image help me in recall what i am in christ it is simply a prayer aid.

plappville: Is @truthislight a JW? NL una tough ooo

ask her d kweshun

truthislight: ^^^
did you read this thread from the start?

Hebrews out of context issue again.

But satan is an angel but is called "the God of this world"(system of things) at 2cor. 4:4.

Even men are also refered to as a god in the bible.

The word god is a title that is given to entity that receives worshipful honour.

Even if you worship a stone it will automatically attain the title God.

This are issues that have been addressed already on this thread, go read it up and fault it if you want and come back then we can give a reply.

I cant be going in circles.

u have repeated 1 post a thousand times, are u ok? Or are u spaming d thread?

truthislight:



by simply calling "angel michael" instead of "arch angel michael" goes a long way to show that you are just being emotional here.

The issue is with the context "arch angel"

and there is only one of such in the bible.
Peace

an arch angel is an angel!

truthislight: if he had even quoted the Hebrews, that singular scripture that all of you take out of context for your theology, at least he would have made a contribution to the thread.

But like you can see, he did not, but started making irrelevant statement.

But then, how can you all take only one scripture out of context and build a theology with it and turn a blind eye to all the other thousands of other scriptures asking for recognition?

Then you still imagined you are doing the right thing.

it isn't turning a blind eye to anything, it simply mean that on the bases of heb 1, and d fact that d archangel theory can't be found in xtian theology d said theory by that fact is a new human invention that contradicts the word of God. It simply mean the lens u used wen read wat u consider pro archangel is not used by me.
Alas i have decided to refrain from hot debates becos they are of no spiritual benefit to me, for that reason, i would rather be passive of dis thread!

Pastor AIO: Here are some links to my explanation of the orisha and ifa in that thread. There was a lot of drama going on around the subject so many posts were actually distractions. Let me stress that this is just my own understanding of it rather than an authoritative account.

https://www.nairaland.com/48078/ifa-orisa-religion-true-identity/2#3896669

https://www.nairaland.com/48078/ifa-orisa-religion-true-identity/2#3896762

https://www.nairaland.com/48078/ifa-orisa-religion-true-identity/3#3904913


https://www.nairaland.com/48078/ifa-orisa-religion-true-identity/3#3906815

does this mean that ori (head) not olodumare "created" the orishas?

[quote author=baby_123]i know ifa believes in the concept of good and evil. so there may be good or evil babalawo's. so be careful whose perspective you take on. for a more balanced perspective there is this man : wande abimbola. Who is the representative of the ifa religion. He could help you in your research if you find a way to contact him. One day, I would also like to read the Odu's if they put it in a book. Also do my own research into this very complicated, and unique religion of my ancestors.[/quote]then consider me another seeker of information,

Pastor AIO: I wrote this post on the process of divination in Ifa.

https://www.nairaland.com/48078/ifa-orisa-religion-true-identity/5#5832100

The post received some constructive criticism here:

https://www.nairaland.com/48078/ifa-orisa-religion-true-identity/5#6793926

this one is really good! I would like you to reserve this for when u are chanced, i will like an explanation for each Odu, is that possible?

Pastor AIO: Check this Thread out! I post some Ifa verses at some point in the thread.

https://www.nairaland.com/48078/ifa-orisa-religion-true-identity

it seem this one confused me! What is ifa, orisha,? etc. Can we please start form the basics!
Please note that though i may be of yoruba ancestry i grew under a different culture and heavy xtian influence so i may not even get the basics of the ifa religion. So really what is ifa? What is it/his relationship to the orishas? What are the orishas? Can they be named? How are their "origins" traced?
I'm sorry if im overloading you, u may answer one question at a time.

Pastor AIO: You might find that often the 'traditionalists' are simply people sick and tired of christianity and islam and as such their stance is a reaction against these religions rather than any particular attraction to African religious ideas. That is not true for all of them, but I'm sure that some fit into this category.

Then there is the political element. ATR becomes a means of embracing your blackness, and your african identity, rather than based on any real spiritual experience.

Beyond NL, when discussing with such people, I find that their espousal of ATR tends to fall apart when you ask keen interested questions about their beliefs. One finds that they have very little actual involvement with ATR, whether as practitioners or as scholars simply taking an academic interest in it.

Now i'm a bit depressed! It seem i wont get an answer to the inquiry from a traditionalist.
I'm looking for information in the wrong place it seems. I do have a bit of hope,
am waiting...

Pastor AIO: I wrote this post on the process of divination in Ifa.

https://www.nairaland.com/48078/ifa-orisa-religion-true-identity/5#5832100

The post received some constructive criticism here:

https://www.nairaland.com/48078/ifa-orisa-religion-true-identity/5#6793926

thanks a million dear, i'm a bit suprised that the traditionalist on nairaland aren't here, i'm aware they are good with criticism but it seems they do not wish to xplain what they believe.
Still waiting though...

Logicboy03: thanks for d advice.


still, burden of proof lies on the claimant

i don't disagree,