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frosbel: There are two types of death.

Spiritual death happens when we are alive and alienated from the life of GOD and then follows physical death.

ADAM's sin brought in death.

Stop following tradition , follow truth, the truth is always almost in the minority.

since when did "in the minority" become irrefutable proof of "the truth"?

frosbel: [size=13pt]Jesus Christ came to save us from DEATH not ETERNAL Torment.[/size]

"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." - Romans 6:23

Proverbs 11:19 The truly righteous man attains life, but he who pursues evil goes to his death.

Ezekiel 18:4 For every living soul belongs to me, the father as well as the son--both alike belong to me. The soul who sins is the one who will die.

Romans 1:32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Romans 5:21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


For the eternal torment cheer leaders, as horrible as DEATH is and as horrible as the Lake of Fire is , they are not satisfied. It has to be torment for trillions of years.

incase u dont know eternal doesnt mean trillions of years, it actually is closer to timelessness, a state without d burden of time.

Will anyone want to worship a GOD who will torture his creatures made in his own image for Trillions and Trillions of years after which the punishment is only just starting. God's creatures being literally fried for ever and ever and ever and ever at over 1000 degrees centigrade.

d same way atheist say there is no God because there is suffering. Sorry this isnt a point.

Is it not true to say that only a SADIST in the person of SATAN will try to malign the character of GOD as he has done for eons ?

Is the catholic church not the conduit through which all these false doctrines flow into the world and is the Pope not Satan's mouth piece ?

ur arguement alway goes back to d pope and the catholic church, very soon u will deny christ just becos d pope accepts him

How sicker can it get people.

Is Hitler more righteous than GOD, is Genghis Khan more righteousness than GOD , is Stalin more righteous than GOD.

can u define righteousness? Since wen did justice become unrighteous?

Why are people so proudly and arrogantly hell bent on misrepresenting the character of GOD.

What father will beat his children for weeks and weeks non-stop because they stole a loave of bread ?
Get real , stick to the bible
True sequence of events ;
1. Man dies and is no more
2. Resurrection
3. Righteous get new bodies
4. wicked judged and thrown into the lake of fire with hades and death itself
5. wicked experience punishment in degrees
6. wicked perish forever
7. No more death
8. God's new everlasting kingdom is ushered in
9. The saints enjoy bliss forever and ever
10.the wicked are no more

ha! Ur number 5, so they will suffer but only in time and later be distroyed, wow

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death., neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

According to the scripture above, there will be no more death, how can there be no more death when people are still 'DYING' the second death in the lake of fire.
Madness !!!

ur aim here is to play on emotions, hey God is too loving to let pipo suffer for trillions of years, d same way d atheist and agnostics say it is imposible for a loving God to permit suffering in this world. I've got news for u guyz eternal punishment is as real as temporal suffering, airbrushing it wont help.

tintingz: Lol. . .so muslims wrote some gospel? Wow i never heard this before . . . And see what you posted do u have an idea of hw many 'gospels' exist? In d early church all d condemned heresy had their own gospels. The appearance of a gospel doesnt make it true that is why d early church compiled d early xtian writting and call it 'the bible'.
where are the condemnd "gospel" why did the early church condemn some gospels and pick the ones that suit them?? Where are the rejected gospels today? Some hadiths were also condemnd by the early muslims buh we can still find them till date.

u are trying to be silly or u just lack education, u shuld make research dose "gospels" not added can still be found. Do a simple internet search and u will find them.

Boomark: Look at you...ubenedictus!
Do you really believe in God? Do you know what it means when He said, Yahweh is His name forever and His memorial from generation to generation? Are you the one that said this or a behind the scene force?

Satan is the only one working against the word of God not ubenedictus, not any human being.
Satan leave ubenedictus alone in the name of our lord Jesus Christ Amen.

mtcheew u want to become a fanatic uh? Go and make your research and dont come here and tell me nonesense.

Boomark: having his fullness as a son makes you equal to him.
Being his servant as his son makes him greater than you. Is it with or with out his fullness?

silly question, one i would rather not answer

tomakint: Lame,that's a lame remark from you (although you are far far better than DAYOKANU)! So in your own eyes, a group of people were busy killing your tribe systematically and at the same time telling you to be part of them all in the name of 'it is well' and you as the leader will believe that?

my opinion is different, the ibo systematical anihilated the political heavy weight of other tribes and provoked a retaliation that they couldnt handle. At the end they decleared a genocidal war upon themselves and at the end they are blaming others.

Well, I perceived you are from another Planet, here on Planet Earth we are told, "Trust not a reconciled friend, for new turns cannot blot out old grudges". Looking at your Nigeria of today, has the likes of Ojukwu, Wole Soyinka and those who believe Nigeria is a failed State not been vindicated now? Be a REALIST and not an IDEALIST in an UTOPIAN WORLD where nothing is real, that's who we are in NIGERIA and that has been our problem!!!

u are joking right? U do not know me yet u presume that im an idealist living in a utopia. I saw your quote, "those who cant take responsibility for their mistakes will end up throw d blame around and will never move forward" that is my own quote. When ojukwu started his war he failed to plan that means he planed to fail and fail he did and systematically anihilated his own people.

ijawkid: Which spirit??

After your definition of spirit try finding out of the spirit is ""SOUL""

u can ask d bible what it means wen it says "and the spirit to God wu gave it". The burden of definition rests on you.

ijawkid: Christ has a God and Father......and he is the ""beginning of"" Gods creation.......

Evidence borku well well.......

So find another exegesis to hebrews 7'....

Because Jesus has a Father.....he was caused by his Father......

mtcheew, i thought u had something good to say. U are simply reharsing ur old tale.

ijawkid: Ubenidictus why u dey talk like this??

I was only trying to tell you that you are left with 2 option...

1....Its either Jesus was created...

2...Or God married a wife and gave birth to Him(Jesus).....

Its up to you to discern how and what the word begot,beget means......

I think I can aDd a 3rd option..

3.....Or God adopted Jesus from another God who is greater than both the Son and the Father........

Its up to you.......

Because it is clear Jesus' existence and life's sustenance was caused and has a source......

goodluck trying to put the infinite in your finite mind. Do u want a list of organism that beget without a wife, huh dont tell me you are poor.

oiseworld: very touching....

i doubt that, i wasnt trying to be poetic, things are what they are. I have decided to tap the unfollow botton, bye.

plappville: Thesame bible the both qoute came from, i am not the one that said it. One said "the word was made flesh" the other said " a man like me"
If one say Jesus is God and another says Jesus is man what is my fault there?

It is clear that when the bible says the word was made flesh, this is refering to Jesus.
But don't forget, the bible also told us that No man has seen God, so i wonder

u are doing the same thing he did, u are still picking and chosing. Jesus had the divine nature he is God, he took flesh, he is man. No one has seen God mano à mano yet we have seen his son d exact imprint of his being. It doesnt contradict it flows.
Peace

truthislight: there was no NT then, as such they the apostles were the authorities and it is this apostles that wrote the books called the NT

The NT writings are leters to christian congregations on how to conduct the church and the beliefs of the church thereof.

With this instructions the church is to operate.

This are the instructions of the apostles to christians and i stand by that.

did the apostles write to all the churches? Did they wish for their writting to be compiled? Did they wish to write without exception all they had received? Before 98ad the NT wasnt completed, before 385ad there was no generally accepted NT, So for over 300yrs the early church didnt have a bible. And today someone is telling me that the bible is d sole and final authority, were does the bible say so? Anytime i hear sumone talk about d SS doctrine i will tell that person it is unbiblical. Where did they get that from? That is a doctrine of men. What does 2 tim2:2 say?

Boomark: This is what is called 'Dodgingcology'. Just because he mentioned wife as illustration, you now pick it as what to use as shield.

he didnt just mention 'wife'. He said God can only create he cant beget because he doesnt have a wife. That is nonesense

frosbel: "and there was given to him the book of the prophet Isaiah. He opened the book and found the place where it was written, 18 "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed, 19 to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord." 20 And he closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant, and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on him. 21 And he began to say to them, "Today this scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing." - Luke 4:17-21

oh! So that was wen Jesus became aware of his mission abi? To be sincere frosbel (no offence meant) your discussion gives me no joy whatsoever, it pains my heart, it wounds me as i see u skipping scripture in some sort of acrobatics and throwing off parts that do not support u, i weep really, i weep for you. I pray the eye of ur mind may be opened and you will come to the understanding of "the true God and christ Jesus whom he sent" for therein is eternal life.
I will try to stay clear of arguements like this, it doesnt help me, it pains my heart. I wish u all blessings.
Peace

[quote author=frosbel][/quote]frosbel said Jesus had no bging of day and still says Jesus didnt preexist, frosbel i hate to say this but u lack coherence, u are sounding like a broken record.

Let them present d exact words of pp benedict.

frosbel: Personally it is not to form different camps or groups or even to attract followers , that we start and discuss certain topics.

It has to do with standing on the Word of GOD and not the words of MEN.

For example the catholic church like the Mormons cannot operate on Sola scriptura alone, their doctrines are heavy laden with tradition , which has corrupted the TRUTH and made it of no effect.

I must be honest, in the past my views were with the majority such as tithe , trinity etc. However when I started to look into the bible to validate the factuality of these doctrines , scripture refused to support them and so I had to discard.

Our understanding of the bible must always be based on the truth of scripture , not the reasoning of Men.

why will the catholic church use sola scriptural when scripture doesnt even support that rule? I go with verbum Dei.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]The wrath of God is a part of Christianity you don't hear much anymore these days. What I want to do on this thread is to have a discussion on the the nature of God, God's wrath and leading on eventually to a discussion about the nature of Hell.

This thread is in fulfillment of a promise i made to here: https://www.nairaland.com/1068988/god-truly-god-justice-then/1#12555017

I want us to have a really serious discussion and not some haphazard nonsense so I'll set some ground rules here:

The Rules/Guidelines

I would like to invite all Christians accepting that the bible is our final authority on this matter. If the bible is not your final authority, please don't bother commenting.

Also we will choose 2 translations alone as the only ones acceptable in this discussion. This is to avoid the practice of "translation jumping" and in the process focusing on the letter at the expense of the Spirit.

Everyone who wishes to participate must start with a declaration that the bible is his/her final authority and then nominate one translation of scripture that may be used. At the end of the day, the top two voted translations will be the official ones for this discourse.

If you are an atheist or anything other than a christian and the bible does not have the final say for you, Your opinion is not needed here. If you comment, you will be ignored. I want to respectfully ask you to please stay away. There are a number of other threads on this forum that we can play in. Not this one.

The discussion proper will start tomorrow after we have agreed on the bible translations to use and the boundaries of our discussion. For now, let those interested in partaking declare their interest and suggest a bible translation.[/quote]does a spirit have emotions?

frosbel: This MAN was unique , he was the Son of GOD, he came forth from GOD.

aha, u just missed the part that say 'the word was God" he wu came forth from God was God wu took d form of man. Read ur bible

frosbel: 27 Jesus and his disciples went on to the villages around Caesarea Philippi. On the way he asked them, “Who do people say I am?”

28 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, one of the prophets.”

29 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

Peter answered, “You are the Messiah.” - Mark 8

hahaha, frosbel is jumping matt puts it dis way "the son of d living God" did u miss dat part?

If you notice in this verse, some called Jesus John the baptist, Elijah and even one of the prophets, but no one ever said GOD , if they did that would have been blasphemy.

and calling himself begotten of God was also blasphemy accding to d jets see john, because dat meant he has the divine nature making him equal to d fada by nature.

Peter was accurate in his answer - You are the Messiah

the son of the living God

After a few verses in the same chapter, Jesus followed with the statement :

"He then began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and after three days rise again"- Mark 8

the son of man is also son of God. The word became flesh. Frosbel pls interprete d bible as a whole, stop cherry picking.

Also John made a very good point when he said :

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." - John 1:18

so d son wu is say is just a man, saw God. Aleluia

And Jesus verified this with the following statement :

"No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father." - John 6:46

Appears some of us have no qualms belittling the words of JESUS in order to stick with Pagan tradition !

i think u shuld throw away d pagan tradition that say Jesus didnt preexist. Can u tell me how Jesus wu u say was just a man saw God?

truthislight: @enigma

the title god/God goes to even man, demons, angels, Jesus and almighty Yahweh.

Why should this be an issue nah?

oh! So when isaiah said he had seen God he meant he saw a demon abi? Tell me "woe to me... for i am a man of unclean lip" was isaiah talking about a demon?

ijawkid: Enigma na wa for you ooo.....

@ John 12:41 ;,john was quoting from isaiah 53 and not from isaiah chapter 6....

The rate @ which you guys twist the scriptures has got me SMH!!!!!!........

Let's compare chapters and verses...oya.......

Isaiah 53:1....

New International Version (NIV)
53 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the ""arm"" of the LORD been
revealed?


Compare with john 12:38...

New International Version (©1984)
This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the
prophet: "Lord, who has believed our message
and to whom has the"" arm"" of the Lord been
revealed?"


....

And who was this arm from isaiahs prophecy??

Let's read through isaiah 53:2-11

2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to
him,
nothing in his appearance that we should
desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low
esteem.
4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on
him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken
away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was
punished.[b]
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush him and
cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes[c] his life an
offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his
hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[d] and be
satisfied[e];
by his knowledge[f] my righteous ""SERVANT"" will
justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
.........

Verse 11 points to (Jesus) as Gods righteous SERVANT.......


So isaiah for saw the glory and coming of Gods annointed one and servant and not GOD.........

oh! So isaiah saw just a servant and wrote that he saw God eh? Are u saying he wrote an error in d bible?

ijawkid: Enigma na wa for you ooo.....

@ John 12:41 ;,john was quoting from isaiah 53 and not from isaiah chapter 6....

The rate @ which you guys twist the scriptures has got me SMH!!!!!!........

Let's compare chapters and verses...oya.......

Isaiah 53:1....

New International Version (NIV)
53 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the ""arm"" of the LORD been
revealed?


Compare with john 12:38...

New International Version (©1984)
This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the
prophet: "Lord, who has believed our message
and to whom has the"" arm"" of the Lord been
revealed?"


....

And who was this arm from isaiahs prophecy??

Let's read through isaiah 53:2-11

2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to
him,
nothing in his appearance that we should
desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low
esteem.
4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on
him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken
away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was
punished.[b]
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush him and
cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes[c] his life an
offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his
hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[d] and be
satisfied[e];
by his knowledge[f] my righteous ""SERVANT"" will
justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
.........

Verse 11 points to (Jesus) as Gods righteous SERVANT.......


So isaiah for saw the glory and coming of Gods annointed one and servant and not GOD.........

oh! So isaiah saw just a servant and wrote that he saw God eh? Are u saying he wrote an error in d bible?

plappville: No the Bible cannot contradict itself and i am not saying such. what i am saying is that Jacob did not see God. Now see what Ezekiel told us.

Ezekiel 1:1 In my thirtieth year, in the fourth month on the fifth day, while I was among the exiles by the Kebar River, the heavens were opened and I saw visions of God.

4 I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north—an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal, 5 and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance their form was human, 6 but each of them had four faces and four wings.

U can see the descriptions in Ezekiel go on if you continue, but already we can understand that God travels with angel heralds who appear like men.
In Moses's case, it was smilar, They were three that visited Moses.

It may seem that Yahweh sent a messenger, His angel in the appearance of a man to wrestle with Jacob.
That would also explain why the messenger, upon blessing Jacob first He has to inquire as to what Jacob's name is. see(Gen 32:28)
But Jacob, might not have realized that he encountered a an angel rather than God himself.
It's like enough that the appearance of the angel was so supernatural as to be the most amazing thing Jacob had ever seen.
The Bible couldn't in no way contradicts itself, So therefore, Jecob didn't see Yahweh face else He will die, that's what the bible says.
Edited:

haha, now u just insulted d bible, so jacob was ignorant of what he saw and his errors were written in d inerrant word of God abi? U can go on and tell me what else is an error in ur bible.

frosbel: Jesus's word is good enough for me.

Isaiah saw a vision, period !

"No one has seen the Father[b] except the one who is from God[/b]; only he has seen the Father." - John 6:46
- From the Mouth of JESUS
Now we can see that the same Lord that Trinitarians supposedly respect , they at the same time cast his words behind their back.

u are the one wu said Jesus didnt pre exist, can u tell us how he saw the father? D bible said no man has seen d fada, u said Jesus is only man and isnt God, so how come Jesus wu is just man saw the fada and yet d bible says "no man has seen d fada". Scriptures is against u.

frosbel: Lol.

You obviously do not believe the words of JESUS , you would rather adhere to false doctrine.

Tell you what , JESUS's word carry more weight than your ramblings, and he says no one has seen the father. His words are good enough for me.

If after all the bible verses quoted here , you cannot see the wood from the trees , I can only say it is a pity.

" No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father." - John 6:46
- From the Mouth of JESUS

this is clasical frosbel, he/she will pick and chose which part of the bible to believe. Since isaiah and co didnt see the father as d bible states let frosbel tell us who was the God they saw, frosbel refused to believe that Jesus existed b4 abraham even though d bible say so. Let me hear he explain wu was d "GOD" they guys said they saw "face to face"

plappville: Bros Moses say A man like am go come earth, He no Say God go come ooo

And If Bible tell us say no man don see God and una say una don See God, u no think say una dey make the bible dey lie? If God know say He go come By himself in whtever form. He for clearly tell Moses. He no be God of confusion. so No be God una see but His Son Jesus Christ. Our massiah!

this is the part i hate most, wen xtians start picking and chosing and throwing away parts of God's word.
Moses said a man like him will come and my bible says "the word was made flesh", so yes Jesus was flesh and blood and a prophet like moses, only that Jesus totally beats moses. The psalmist say no man can ransom another mans soul and my bible says "the word was God". Untill u learn to treat the bible as a unified whole u will away spew forth heresy.

ijawkid: Then you are on a long thing.....

Since God no marry wife Jesus was created.....

And from the dictionary I've shown you the numerous definitions of begotten...........

Pro create,create,produce,cause....etc......

Many of us theists have been trying to convince the atheist that the universe had a ""cause""....

How else was the universe caused if not created??

Except God marry o b4 you go fit escape the truth wey dey right in front of You......

Jesus is called the ""1st born of"" all creation.....for the 30 times the expression ""first born of"" occured in the scriptures and been applied to living things it meant one and the same thing........

It meant the person under consideration was part of the family of those who was caused...

E.g...

##1st borns of the egyptians were themselves egyptians but the 1st of the group ....

##1st borns of the isrealites were themselves isrealites but the 1st .........

##1st borns of the wild beast were themselves animals but the 1st of it....

From the scriptures Jesus being the 1st born of Gods creations clearly means Jesus is part of creation,but the 1st of it........

Truth is standing right in front of you...

so God must marry before he can begot a son abi? Weldone ijawkid wants to fit God in his head even in nature there are many that reproduce without having a 'wife'. Remember ur biology class?

italo: All sex and sexual acts are to be chaneled towards procreation and the mutual self-giving of each married partner to the other. Any sexual acts outside this is a SIN. Masturbation inclusive.

amen to this

plaetton: Actaully sir, you seem to have agreed with me in totallity.
My argument, though it branched off into other issues, is very simple.
That thee Israelites were polytheistic, just like their Canaanite neighbors.

hahaha, "the israelites were polytheist", you havent proved that!!! You have showed from your documentary that the isrealite prophets in an effort to close the mouth of the pagans transfered the porfolios of a great many gods to ONE GOD, how does that support you The bible shows the prophet again and again condemning the polytheism of the canaanites and egyptians, does that still support you??

That is, though Yahweh was their chief god, they worshiped other gods along with him.

and does judaism agree with the practice? Can you show that that practice is part of judaism? D jew live among polytheist and some jews copied the practice, but u havent showed me that judaism support polytheism.

And I used several verses in the bible to illustrate yahweh's frustration with the Israelites who did not heed his warnings about worshiping other gods.

those are proof against you, u succeeded in showing us that judaism spits on polytheism

That is all.
I used the BBC documentary and the Ugarith texts simply to show that these are not just my personal opinions, but are historically accepted facts.

nah you have used those texts to support anony that scriptures and prophet ascribes everything d canaanites ascribed to their many gods to just one God wu they called yahweh. Your proof text insults your arguements.

plaetton: That's it in a nutshell.
Thank you.

The major bone of contention between Yahweh and the Israelites throughout the old testament was the worship of other gods. That was Yahweh's major headache. It was not about a few insignificant misguided few. If it was just a few men and women playing truancy with yahweh, it would have been easy for Yahweh and his priests and prophets to rid the land of these few.
The worship of other gods were so entrenched, as evidently ephasized in the bible, that Yahweh at times vowed to wipe them, the entire nation, from the face of the earth.
Imagine king Solomon, certainly one of the most beloved, revered and popular king of ancient Israel, being a polytheist. That alone says a lot about polytheism in ancient Israel.

your just succeeded in proving that many in ancient israel were polytheist yet you havent proved that polytheism is part of judaism nor have you proved that polytheism is part of the jewish culture. I can go very far to prove that many christians in africa in the past serve more than one god, yet that isnt proof that christianity is polytheist. So really, you havent proved that the jews were polytheist since u cant prove that polytheism is fundamental to judaism and a part of it culture.

wiegraf: Allow me to interject needlessly. Well, actually, I will do so whether y'all like it or not (note I never claim to be mature).
@anony, are you cracking under the pressure? Breathe, man, breathe. You don't want to become afflicted with a certain disorder that seems to hit long time religionists on here. I'm sure they were sane at some point in time, but gradually gave in to the madness. Breath, man, breath.

Never even heard of ugarith before, but would you accept their text as valid in this discussion?

hahaha, funny, really who say the ugarith text must be correct? Nobody! But it will do us good to consider the proof brought forward. Personally the thread has been illuminating but i dont see the conclusion plaeton seems to be making, he seems to be reading into the text.