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Pentolution:
the church doctrine is against divorce. remarriage after divorce even makes it worse.

With all due respect the church should go and learn the meaning of marriage.
marriage is based upon the giving of free, informed consent. if consent was not free e.g a marriage forced upon a woman is invalid. so too a marriage based of misinformation, distortion of information and withholding of information that can affect consent...the marriage is invalid ab initio, informed consent was never given.

there was never a marriage, so this isnt a remarriage case.

bloodofthelamb:
Love will not reign, if we do learn to forgive each other as God has forgiven us in Christ Jesus. God forgave us while we are yet in rebellion.

Let her forgive him, i am not against forgiveness. but she never had a valid marriage from the begining. ab initio she was never married and it is wrong to pretend she was.

Ubenedictus:
no you didn't bother to quote the church fathers you just lied about what they taught and when you were caught you denied knowing who they were



I still have this questions for you




so you will agree that God took flesh in Mary's womb, Mary carried God in human flesh for nine months, Mary gave birth to God in human flesh and nurtured him?

But you won't agree that Mary is the mother of God?


If you don't agree with the earlier phrases please tell me the ones you agree with and the ones you disagree with.

WHICH OF THESE PHRASES DO YOU AGREE WITH

Ubenedictus:
OK, since you believe in separating the natures in Jesus let me ask you this,


When you adore Jesus do you adore his divine nature alone, since is human nature is different and can't be adored?

Or so you worship the whole Christ?

this should have ended the hypostatic union issue but again this wasnt answered

SalC:
Am fine, trust you are fine too.

Yeah you were never far since the day you were appointed a guardian angel lol.

These husband and wife with their code, una try

Pentolution:
they didn't marry in Rccg. it was a court wedding. I guess she trusted him too much

so why is the RCCG complaining about a court divorce for a court wedding?

Ubenedictus:
when Mary gave birth to Jesus did she give birth to a flesh alone Jesus or the whole Jesus spirit, body, soul and divinity?

FUNNY enough this was never answered

essentialone:
Fr Ohazulume is a priest of Nnewi diocese. He is from Ubahu Okija in Ihiala Local Government Area of Anambra State. He worked last as the Parish Priest of St Charles Borromeo Parish , Lilu in Ihiala Local Government Area in 2007 before going to the U. S.
The girl in question was his niece, the daughter of his Sister. The girl became a wayward girl and the father sent her to Nigeria for her secondary school . She came back to Nigeria and got pregnant from one boy here in Nigeria. The baby was left in Nigeria and the father brought her back to the U. S . There in America, an African American impregnated her again. She left her family and was living alone. So the Priest called her and was rebuking her that she is a disgrace to their family with her wayward life. The girl threatened the priest with this word " I will deal with you " .Fr Ohazulume never took that threat serious. She told her friend about her uncle priest and together with her friend that reported the matter to the diocese planned to deal with her uncle. The story we are reading now is the threat she carried out.

how did you come to know this?

nwakaibe:
She is right. She got married to the first husband under false grounds. They didn't conduct HIV test before marriage?
The brother did a callous and wicked act.

This is the simple truth

Tosinex:
The beauty of Love is having the spirit to forgive... She shouldn't have divorced the husband, apart from that if their wedding took place in the church then the church need to be questioned because they ought to have find out all of these before now!

we usually spite all this kind things because the matter didn't happen to us.

DIMIZZY1:
I think she went wrong with her decision, just continue d marriage, it cant be reversed, he'll get his punishment from God almighty

pray it doesn't happen to you, this is a dubious situation where someone set out to deceive his spouse and dash her a stupid disease.

It is a toxic relationship built on lies, not a marriage. She did the right thing, nobody deserves to be chained to a dubious situation entered under false pretense.

F

Pentolution:
something happened in my RCCG parish today. a lady was suspended indefinitely for divorcing her husband and remarrying. her husband who is also a worker hid his HIV status from his wife before they married. after a while she kept falling sick and went to the hospital to run a test, only to find out she a HIV positive. it was devastating to her since she was a strong Christian and married her husband as a virgin. she confronted him about it and then he was forced to open up and claimed he got it when he was living a reckless life as a sinner. Apologized to her. she was infuriated against the advice of the church and pastors she filed for divorce, sued the man to court and remarried an equally HIV person like her.
it was announced today that she had been disfellowship. and the pastor said she should have forgiven the man and remained in the marriage since the man asked for forgiveness. it caused an uproar in church.

what's your opinion on what happened?

First I am a Catholic not a redeem member so I perspective is from my background.


In my church a man who hid his HIV status and dubiously contracted marriage will be rightly divorced in a civil court and the church will follow it up immediately by granting an annulment, the marriage will be declared null and viod and of no effect from the beginning and the woman will be free to contract marriage with someone else with the blessing of the church.


If you have a deal breaker before marriage and you hid it from your spouse, deceiving her, and then dubiously going for wedding with her, according to Catholic theology that marriage is not valid, it is based on deception and lies. It is not recognized even before God talk less of before men.

A man/woman who has HIV, kids from a previous marriage, impotency in men, a woman who had her womb removed or other such deal breakers, anybody that has them should speak up before the wedding.


If your man is coming for you because he is under the false impression that you are a virgin or has conditioned your marriage on something you don't possess, kindly confess.

KOKSNATION:
There's an ongoing debate whether the celibacy requirement be removed or made optional for one to become a priest in the catholic church. Sometime last year, the Pope at the vatican raised the issue on contemplation to see if it will be made optional or totally scrapped from the catholic communion.

It boils down to the fact that most catholic priest fail to meet up to the standard of keeping themselves faithful and committed to their calling. Part of which is having secret families; it is rumoured that most priest get married secretly and have children outside of the knowledge of the church. An abominable act which is tantamount to the dismissal from priesthood.

'There is no smoke without fire' as many have also suggested that some of these priests engage in several immoral acts which includes: rape, secret love affairs and child molestation, generally known as pedophilia.

Part of the debate suggests that child rape is one major social vices and tops the list of crimes emanating from the territory of the Catholic church. Recently, a Pennsylvanian church recorded a case of child abuse by a catholic priest which is still under investigation. Not mentioning the others that has taken place in Michigan and Nigeria; the Makurdi

Here is an ongoing debate which suggests whether it stays or not. Will it work Will it curb the rate of immoral acts
Read..........https://koksnation..com/2018/09/celibacy-rule-and-catholic-priest.html

Funny, every time some people are unable to live up to their ideals let the ideals be discarded.


Many married people are unfaithful let us scrap marriage too.

CodeTemplar:
Why then can a few people interpret a particular religious book and attempt to foist their own understanding and interpretation of this book upon people who find themselves within certain territories in the society?
I am talking of sharia here. We saw an injustice and kept quite and that injustice is now aligning with another one and it is harder to speak up about the newer injustice because they first one was permitted.

That is just wrong, in a secular society sharia shouldn't be foisted on others.

CodeTemplar:
The Law may punish murder, adultery, and theft but should it attempt to punish personal sins like alcohol intake and forniication?

This is meant for Muslims and Christians alike and I purposely placed it on Saturday (between Friday & Sunday).

no dear.


Sins can't all be civil laws,

Civil laws are made to order society, that means they are concerned with those issues that affect others in society not just your private sins....

This is why I believe Nigerian homosexual laws are stupid, how can you legislate what consenting adults do in their bedroom, it is a law that is unenforceable.

Ishilove:
You are still going round in circles. Do the passages you have quoted dictate to Christians to do Church wedding?

the passage I quoted shows what the Christian faith believes as regard marriage and by it I assert that no traditional wedding provide a "tradition" that matches the Christian faith on marriage.

Ishilove:
You are still going round in circles. Do the passages you have quoted dictate to Christians to do Church wedding?

No, common sense dictates Christians do a church wedding for the reasons I earlier gave, traditional wedding is a deficient contract and we are not traditionalists

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Ubenedictus:
please tell me any traditional wedding that implies a permanent, indissoluble Union like that between Jesus and his church... If you can show me any traditional marriage that implies the reality of what Jesus taught about marriage then I'll begin advising people to it.


Why will I make a contract that I know is inherently deficient? The moment I do a traditional wedding I know that it is not indissoluble because it is based upon my culture that gives me right to pursue my wife whenever I like... It is a deficient contract, the traditional wedding does not imply what I believe as a Christian, in fact it opposes it.

This is why right from the early church Christians rightly distanced themselves from the so-called traditional marriage, they do not reflect the reality of the Christian faith on marriage, they are based upon cultures antithetical to the Christian faith and only produce contracts that are at odds with what the marriage covenant is.

How come you don't know that the relationship between man and wife should mirror that between Jesus and the church,
Eph 5


22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[b] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[c] 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church

Ishilove:
Are we talking about Jesus and the church or union between two individuals? Humans create flawed doctrines and try to defend those doctrines with the indefensible

Now you know how marriage relates to Christ and the church please address my post.

And try not be condescending while doing it, it just spoils a good discussion.

blueAgent:
Keep decieving yourself.

Your Church has depth in false teachings and occultism.

Jesus told us not to call any man on Earth Father.

Matthew 23:9
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

because it is offensive to God then how much more calling a woman or anybody the mother of God.

and as usual you guys are just dumb when it comes to interpreting scripture and hypocritical when it comes to using common sense.


The same Bible that says call no one father has several passages on fathers, both biological and spiritual, the same hypocrites who say call no one father call their pastors daddy.

And then go off when you call Mary exactly what she is

Ishilove:
Did Jesus not exhort us to respect our laws and traditions? Give to Ceaser? Where is it dictated that we much marry in Church? Can you point out any church wedding in the Bible? Christianity only began after the death of Christ, and even at that white weddings became popularised during the reign of Queen Victoria in the 19th century.

Are you aware that many of the wedding rituals performed in Christian weddings have their origins in paganism?

Give me one single scriptural backing and I will change my stand.

I'm a Christian, but I refuse to follow carnal doctrines inculcated and ignorantly accepted in Christendom.

please tell me any traditional wedding that implies a permanent, indissoluble Union like that between Jesus and his church... If you can show me any traditional marriage that implies the reality of what Jesus taught about marriage then I'll begin advising people to it.


Why will I make a contract that I know is inherently deficient? The moment I do a traditional wedding I know that it is not indissoluble because it is based upon my culture that gives me right to pursue my wife whenever I like... It is a deficient contract, the traditional wedding does not imply what I believe as a Christian, in fact it opposes it.

Curiouscity:
The wedding done in the Catholic Church is a sacrament in itself. And mandatory for all catholics. The good side is that a priest can Wed you or anybody without the flamboyance people display today. People have wedded during morning mass, or even during their TM and it is a valid sacrament in the Church. NO Catholic priest will insist on white wedding. You can put on anything for the ceremony, and it must not be followed by any form of entertainment.

It is we who like competing with ourselves on whose wedding is/was most expensive.

amen

What is TM

Benekruku:
Oyinbo culture they adopted.

not really, white traditional people have their own traditional marriage, Christian White people do theirs in the church same as Christian Koreans and Christian African

Soleymania:
Weddings are usually a ceremony of great joy but today the sorrow that follows some wedding ceremonies raises questions in ones heart.

Who decreed that Christians must have white weddings which we have now christened church or Christian marriage.

How many marriages were conducted in the sanctuary or temple in Bible days? Should we really spend so much to get married?

We have heard stories of people arranging some part of their marriage ceremony on credit in the hope that they will make enough from the spraying of money during the bridal dance to offset their loans.

I remember attending a wedding where the DJ refused to turn on the microphone because he had not been fully paid for his service at the reception. We pleaded and pleaded but he would not budge. Someone had to go to an ATM to get the cash for him before the reception could begin.

What type of marriage ceremonies were carried out in Bible days? How were these ceremonies conducted? Does having your marriage ceremony in church add anything to your marriage?

Let's share notes and thoughts on this.

1. It is not white wedding! It is Christian wedding. Every culture has its own wedding style that is informed according to its religion and religious belief, for Jews, Judaism and Jewish culture is one and the same thing, so a wedding for them is simply a contract entered by two families and ratified by their consent, the parents pray for the couples and that is it! This marriage is recognized as valid by all Jews.

In other places these ceremony also involves sacrifice in accordance with the religion the culture is based upon, for this reason not every traditional marriage is OK for a Christian to perform.

Even so from the earliest time it was the Christian practice to seek approval for marriage from the church as represented by her leaders, we see this in the early church as far back as 110AD and by the 2nd century the Christian received their weddings from their priest since many times they would refuse anything related to pagan ceremonies.

A priest, the couple, members of the church as witness and exchange of consent became the way Christians did wedding.


Nobody says you should wear white or cook food or call DJ. In fact I was in my church some years back for morning mass and met a wedding with the couples in traditional attire, no pomp etc just the church, they exchanged vows and were married, they went home and entertained only family and close friends.


For Christians marriage means more than what is accepted by any tradition whether Jewish or African for this reason the ceremony that marks such union is not celebrated according to tradition but according to their Faith. I will not celebrate an indissoluble Convenant with a traditional ceremony that implies is is a contract to be broken anytime one decides.

Dantedasz:
Pray for priests
@##&@@#***!
Okay I am trying not to cuss,but could you selfish Catholics for once pray for the victims??
There is a video of a man who was raped as a child by a Catholic priest through the anus.
This rape was without lubrication.
The man/boy/victim said he was bleeding all over the toilet floor.
The rape took place in a toilet.
This child/man/victim was entrusted to this priest/rapist and he was raped.
His trust in this perverted priest was betrayed.
After sodomizing this poor victim in the loo,the perverted paedophilic priest laughed,cleaned his blood stained penis and left the boy on the floor of the toilet.
Now I am not a hypocritical praying man,but if I were to be one tell me who should I pray for?
The perverted paedophilic priest rapist OR the innocent child,victim of rape

I believe the Christian thing to do is to pray for both

budaatum:
Catholicism would have no choice but to be scientific, considering its history with science. It has blindly believed in the past and found egg on its face so it very rightly adopted what physical evidence showed. It is for this reason that Pentecostals would claim Catholics are heretics. They, the Pentys, haven't got the historical knowledge the Catholics have, yet.

However, in that Article, it clearly attempts to place faith above reason, though with the caveat that "there can never be any real discrepancy between faith and reason". And in reality, rather unfortunately, when there is discrepancy, the majority, being non-scientific, would go for faith above reason since they are less able to transcend. That Catholicism, amongst all Christian sects however, is the most intellectually advanced of all is incontestable. Though, amongst the laity, this might not be so obvious especially in a country like Nigeria where access to information is limited.
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But its changing for the positive thanks to advances in science and technology and the human being's ability to reason. I got my Quran from the Metropolitan Cathedral of the Precious Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ, is a case in point. It takes great wisdom and huge advancement in intellect to get to the point whereby it is reasoned that ones neighbour is ones neighbour despite the neighbour's religion. Another is the predominantly Catholic Ireland's adoption of the right to abortions. These are indicative of humans gorging on the fruits of knowledge.

Soon even the cherubim and flaming sword flashing back and forth would take forced retirement. We humans would then reach up and pluck of the fruit of the Tree of Life itself and eat. Perhaps then our life expectancy would transcend to a more healthy 3 score and ten, instead of the pitiable lowly 53.05 years it currently languishes at. I live in hope supported by my faith in my fellow human beings that it won't be too long a wait.

Does the Catholic Church have a university in Nigeria yet?

actually the last time I checked the Catholic church had a pretty good record with science, we pretty much built the schools that taught science, and sponsored the scientists and their enquiry. Almost all the universities of Europe at the time was church built, church founded and maintained by the church.


And yes the Catholic church through her priests and dioceses do have universities in Nigeria.

solite3:
the fact that I quoted the church fathers doesn't mean I believe all that they taught

no you didn't bother to quote the church fathers you just lied about what they taught and when you were caught you denied knowing who they were



I still have this questions for you




so you will agree that God took flesh in Mary's womb, Mary carried God in human flesh for nine months, Mary gave birth to God in human flesh and nurtured him?

But you won't agree that Mary is the mother of God?


If you don't agree with the earlier phrases please tell me the ones you agree with and the ones you disagree with.

solite3:
the egg is her own, no doubt but she is not the mother of God.

OK, since you believe in separating the natures in Jesus let me ask you this,


When you adore Jesus do you adore his divine nature alone, since is human nature is different and can't be adored?

Or so you worship the whole Christ?

Dantedasz:
Why is this not the thread for it? Catholic matter on a Catholic thread?
I can see you have conveniently avoided commenting on the three above videos of Catholics defending paedophilia and perversion.

I did avoid them because that isn't the aim of this thread.


as it is this banter has gone too long here.

Dantedasz:


So why you scared of discussion about paedophile priests and perverts?

I told you before-use the report button if you're not satisfied with what I post.

if I remember correctly I personally engaged you on your thread about abuse, I am not scared of discussing about pedophiles but this isn't the thread for it

OgogoroFreak:
He is an idiot! Saving someone's life without saving yours. Even God knows he is senseless, the reason he allowed him to die like an animal.

John 15:13 King James Version (KJV)
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

budaatum:
It seems Catholicism has solved the issue of morality in science, albeit by placing it slightly beneath the not-so-scientific, faith

159 Faith and science: "Though faith is above reason, there can never be any real discrepancy between faith and reason. Since the same God who reveals mysteries and infuses faith has bestowed the light of reason on the human mind, God cannot deny himself, nor can truth ever contradict truth." "Consequently, methodical research in all branches of knowledge, provided it is carried out in a truly scientific manner and does not override moral laws, can never conflict with the faith, because the things of the world and the things of faith derive from the same God. The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are.
Catechism of the Catholic Church
PART ONE: SECTION ONE. CHAPTER THREE .Article 1, III.

faith for Catholics isn't unscientific, it takes of where science leaves off, it is not opposed to science, it transcends it

Dantedasz:
Is the aim of the thread to sheild perverted Catholic priests?
I see that most Catholics don't give a flying fvck about the victims of the abuse as long as the perverted priests escape justice, either through old age,statue of limitations,transfer to other parishes,endless litigation or death.
What about the victims?
Spare a thought for the victims!!!

how can the thread be aimed at shielding pedophiles when that isn't even related to the threads objectives