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Anas09:
Yeah, I didnt say they dont teach resurrection, i said they dont teach Rapture. They teach general resurrection, but the Rapture of saints is what is missing there. Even the general Resurrection is largely in a book, but what is hammered on is prayer for the death who are in purgatory to enter heaven.

People are even made to pay money for their dead loved ones to be allowed into heaven.

Ubenedictus downloaded the whole Catechism which is only on the pages of paper with no one really know what they meant to me.

@Ubenedictus, when last did you hear what you copy pasted there taught in Church? I was a Catholic, i went through Catechism and was never thought those Biblical Principles you just regurgitated there.

It is a different thing to have them written down, and a totally different thing from teaching and insisting on people living by those principles.

then you were poorly Catechicised, that same teaching must be taught to every Catholic and affirmed before confirmation, I taught a class exactly same using scripture to guide, I too was taught in my First communion class, that same teaching is repeated every easter period especially on good Friday. to answer your question, I last heard it taught last two Sundays... this Sunday was on Christian unity, love and witness.


I am sorry if you were badly Catechicised but these are issues that should be familiar to every Catholic 7 year old.


nobody is made to pay money for souls to enter heaven, and in all Catholic churches I have attended the resurrection is usually taught... in fact it is hard to imagine a week where the priest didn't remind people about judgement and the final resurrection... in fact almost every prayer during mass reference the everlasting life we hope for, the second coming and the resurrection... it is impossible to be in a Catholic mass and not hear those themes.

I read his direct words, not the sensational headline... and I can find no fault in it. he talked about his own encounter with such women and their experience.


it seems you are just looking for a reason to criticize the guy, from what I hear abortion itself can be a pretty traumatic experience... I know the Catholic church in America spend hugely to offer counselling to women traumatized by abortion.

if in the experience of those he met an abortion can be more traumatic than rape, who are you to state that their experience is incorrect, on what basis do you criticise their submission.

have you been raped then have an abortion so you can fault the experience of those who have?

[quote author=solite3 post=67492302][/quote]what you wrote there is untrue and has no biblical support, baptism means to immerse or ritually clean in a fluid... it is that clear, you are trying to claim that the Bible doesn't mean what it say and baptism now means "inner baptism". that is a dishonest interpretation that sadly originated a 100 years ago, from 1800 years you won't find any Christian who says that the baptism talked about in those passages is not water baptism....



that your interpretation is an invention of the last ages and the Bible warns of people who invent such.

to believe and be baptized is exactly what is meant

Anas09:
Everything must be done with knowledge. I didn't know anything about redemption. Why Jesus' body was broken, why his blood was shed. What communion represents.

All these must be done with understanding or they'll be done in futility.

since you asked me what is redemption, the synthesis is that we owed a debt we couldn't pay so God gave us his son to pay the price he didn't owe and by his death he freed us from sin death and hell and by his resurrection gave us victory over the devil.
this is redemption in easy terms
http://www.saintaquinas.com/what_is_the_redemption.html


as a Catholic you should have been taught that and even more, the catechism present it from different angles





"He died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures"

601 The Scriptures had foretold this divine plan of salvation
through the putting to death of "the righteous one, my Servant" as a mystery of universal redemption, that is, as the ransom that would free men from the slavery of sin. 397 Citing a confession of faith that he himself had "received", St. Paul professes that "Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures."
In particular Jesus' redemptive death fulfills Isaiah's prophecy
of the suffering Servant. 399 Indeed Jesus himself explained the meaning of his life and death in the light of God's suffering
Servant. 400 After his Resurrection he gave this interpretation of the Scriptures to the disciples at Emmaus, and then to the apostles.

"For our sake God made him to be sin"

602 Consequently, St. Peter can formulate the apostolic faith in the divine plan of salvation in this way: "You were ransomed
from the futile ways inherited from your fathers. . . with the
precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or
spot. He was destined before the foundation of the world but
was made manifest at the end of the times for your sake." 402
Man's sins, following on original sin, are punishable by
death. 403 By sending his own Son in the form of a slave, in the form of a fallen humanity, on account of sin, God "made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." 404
603 Jesus did not experience reprobation as if he himself had
sinned. 405 But in the redeeming love that always united him to
the Father, he assumed us in the state of our waywardness of
sin, to the point that he could say in our name from the cross:
"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" 406 Having thus
established him in solidarity with us sinners, God "did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all", so that we might be "reconciled to God by the death of his Son". 407

God takes the initiative of universal redeeming love
604 By giving up his own Son for our sins, God manifests that
his plan for us is one of benevolent love, prior to any merit on
our part: "In this is love, not that we loved God but that he loved
us and sent his Son to be the expiation for our sins." 408 God
"shows his love for us in that while we were yet sinners Christ
died for us."409
605 At the end of the parable of the lost sheep Jesus recalled
that God's love excludes no one: "So it is not the will of your
Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should
perish." 410 He affirms that he came "to give his life as a ransom for many"; this last term is not restrictive, but contrasts the
whole of humanity with the unique person of the redeemer who
hands himself over to save us. 411 The Church, following the
apostles, teaches that Christ died for all men without exception:
"There is not, never has been, and never will be a single human
being for whom Christ did not suffer."412
III. CHRIST OFFERED HIMSELF TO HIS FATHER FOR OUR SINS
Christ's whole life is an offering to the Father
606 The Son of God, who came down "from heaven, not to do
[his] own will, but the will of him who sent [him]", 413 said on
coming into the world, "Lo, I have come to do your will, O God."
"And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of
the body of Jesus Christ once for all."414 From the first moment
of his Incarnation the Son embraces the Father's plan of divine
salvation in his redemptive mission: "My food is to do the will of
him who sent me, and to accomplish his work." 415 The sacrifice
of Jesus "for the sins of the whole world" 416 expresses his
loving communion with the Father. "The Father loves me,
because I lay down my life", said the Lord, "[for] I do as the
Father has commanded me, so that the world may know that I
love the Father." 417
607 The desire to emrace his Father's plan of redeeming love
inspired Jesus' whole life, for his redemptive passion was the
very reason for his Incarnation. And so he asked, "And what
shall
I say? 'Father, save me from this hour'? No, for this
purpose I have come to this hour." 419 And again, "Shall I not
drink the cup which the Father has given me?" 420 From the
cross, just before "It is finished", he said, "I thirst." 421
"The Lamb who takes away the sin of the world"
60 After agreeing to baptize him along with the sinners, John
the Baptist looked at Jesus and pointed him out as the "Lamb of
God, who takes away the sin of the wÀrld". 422 By doing so, he
reveals that Jesus is at the same time the suffering Servant who
silently allows himself to be led to the slaughter and who bears
the sin of the multitudes, and also the Paschal Lamb, the symbol
of Israel's redemption at the first Passover. 423 Christ's whole
life expresses his mission: "to serve, and to give his life as a
ransom for many." 424
Jesus freely embraced the Father's redeeming love
609 By embracing in his human heart the Father's love for men,
Jesus "loved them to the end", for "greater love has no man than
this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." 425 In
suffering and death his humanity became the free and perfect
instrument of his divine love which desires the salvation of
men. 426 Indeed, out of love for his Father and for men, whom
the Father wants to stve, Jesus freely accepted his Passion and
death: "No one takes [my life] from me, but I lay it down of my
own accord." 427 Hence the sovereign freedom of God's Son as
he went out to his death. 428
At the Last Supper Jesus anticipated the free offering of his life
610 Jesus gave the supreme expression of his free offering of
himself at the meal shared with the twelve Apostles "on the night
he was betrayed". 429 On the eve of his Passion, while still free,
Jesus transformed this Last Supper with the apostles into the
memorial of his voluntary offering to the Father for the
salvation of men: "This is my body which is given for you." "This
is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for
the forgiveness of sins." 430
611 The Eucharist that Christ institutes at that moment will be
the memorial of his sacrifice. 431 Jesus includes the apostles in
his own offering and bids them perpetuate it. 432 By doing so,
the Lord institutes his apostles as priests of the New Covenant:
"For their sakes I sanctify myself, so that they also may be
sanctified in truth." 433
The agony at Gethsemani
612 The cup of the New Covenant, which Jesus anticipated
when he offered himself at the Last Supper, is afterwards
accepted by him from his Father's hands in his agony in the
garden at Gethsemani, 434 making himself "obedient unto death".
Jesus prays: "My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from
me. . ." 435 Thus he expresses the horror that death represented
for his human nature. Like ours, his human nature is destined
for eternal life; but unlike ours, it is perfectly exempt from sin,
the cause of death. 436 Above all, his human nature has been
assumed by the divine person of the "Author of life", the "Living
One". 437 By accepting in his human will that the Father's will be
done, he accepts his death as redemptive, for "he himself bore
our sins in his body on the tree." 438
Christ's death is the unique and definitive sacrifice
613 Christ's death is both the Paschal sacrifice that
accomplishes the definitive redemption of men, through "the
Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world", 439 and the
sacrifice of the New Covenant , which restores man to
communion with God by reconciling him to God through the
"blood of the covenant, which was poured out for many for the
forgiveness of sins". 440
614 This sacrifice of Christ is unique; it completes and
surpasses all other sacrifices. 441 First, it is a gift from God the
Father himself, for the Father handed his Son over to sinners in
order to reconcile us with himself. At the same time it is the
offering of the Son of God made man, who in freedom and love
offered his life to his Father through the Holy Spirit in
reparation for our disobedience. 442
Jesus substitutes his obedience for our disobedience
615 "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners,
so by one man's obedience many will be made righteous." 443 By
his obedience unto death, Jesus accomplished the substitution
of the suffering Servant, who "makes himself an offering for
sin ", when "he bore the sin of many", and who "shall make many
to be accounted righteous", for "he shall bear their
iniquities". 444 Jesus atoned for our faults and made
satisfaction for our sins to the Father. 445
Jesus consummates his sacrifice on the cross
616 It is love "to the end" 446 that confers on Christ's sacrifice
its value as redemption and reparation, as atonement and
satisfaction. He knew and loved us all when he offered his
life. 447 Now "the love of Christ controls us, because we are
convinced that one has died for all; therefore all have died." 448
No man, not even the holiest, was ever able to take on himself
the sins of all men and offer himself as a sacrifice for all. The
existence in Christ of the divine person of the Son, who at once
surpasses and embraces all human persons, and constitutes
himself as the Head of all mankind, makes possible his
redemptive sacrifice for all.
617 The Council of Trent emphasizes the unique character of
Christ's sacrifice as "the source of eternal salvation" 449 and
teaches that "his most holy Passion on the wood of the cross
merited justification for us."

catechism of the Catholic church.

the bread is broken as a symbol of Christ death for Jesus said this is my body broken for you, it is shared as koinonia, as fellowship of the church with Christ.

JMAN05:
Being born again is not the definition people or some religion give to it. From John 3:3-6 where Jesus brought the matter to the fore, it is glaring that without water baptism, the born again process isn't complete. Merely declaring that you accept Jesus as your personal lord and savior, doesn't make you a born again.

amen

solite3:
peter is not talking of water baptism itself but what it stands for.peter explained what he meant by baptism which is a pledge to clear conscience towards God and not the washing of dirt.

Meaning anyone who has the answer of a clear conscience towards God is the real definition of baptism.
This is a smack on your face because you said anyone who is baptised by water is born again but the apostle disagree with you.
It is not the act of getting baptize that saves but an appeal to good conscience toward God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Water baptism cannot save you

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

no dear, baptism itself, that very act is a pledge to God for a good conscience. and because it is and it joins us to the resurrection of Christ, it saves.
1 pt 3
even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ

RM 6
Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized
into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We
were therefore buried with him through baptism into
death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the
dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a
new life.

baptism isn't just a symbol of an answer to God for a good conscience... it is an answer to God for a good conscience.... it isn't just a symbol of dying and rising with Christ no Paul clearly says in it we truly died and rose with Christ.


RM 6
Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized
into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We
were therefore buried with him through baptism into
death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the
dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a
new life.

Gullah:
Yes you can be born again without being baptized. Baptism is not a prerequisite to being born again. The moment you believe in Jesus and ask Him to come into your life, you are saved. However, baptism is an important ceremony for born again Christians to partake in. It's a representation of your death to sin and resurrection to a new life in Christ, it also symbolizes your partaking in the death and resurrection of Christ. Just like the holy communion, it was one of the ceremonies ordained by Christ Himself to the Apostles and it is very important that after accepting Jesus into your life that you partake in this in obedience to His holy ordinance as not doing so would then amount to living in disobedience to God's ordinance. If a born again Christian however did not have the opportunity to be baptized before he dies, that does not nullify his salvation, The baptism is not what saves, it is believing and accepting Jesus into your life that saves. I know a lot of people who went and participated in baptism without accepting Jesus, some were even baptized as kids when they didn't have full consciousness of their actions, that kind of baptism does not save the recipient of it or make them born again. Don't doubt your salvation if you haven't yet had the opportunity to be babtized after receiving Christ, You are still a child of God!! However endeavour to partake in the baptism ordinance as soon as you have the opportunity to do so

you are contradicting the Bible.

1pt3

even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the
flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,)
by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Ubongdemaga:
Please friends can someone be a born-again Christian without baptism?

Nope! At least not ordinarily

to be Born Again is to receive the new life won for us by Christ death. that means to die to the present life and live the new life of the risen Christ.

the natural path to do that for an adult

1. repent
2. believe
3 be baptized.


Mark 16:16: Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved,
but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Acts 2:38: Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of
you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your
sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

to repent is from the Greek metenoia which to to take up a new awareness, this is the work of the holy spirit in us who convicts us of sin and convince us of righteousness.

to believe is to submit and accept in trust all that God is and that which he has revealed particularly the life, suffering, death and resurrection of Jesus. again it is the spirit that spurs us to faith. for no one can say Jesus is Lord except by the holy spirit.

lastly is to be baptized, this is the crown of the process, just because you rejected sin doesn't make you clean, you have to appeal to God for a clean conscience and that is what baptism is.
1 pt 3

21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you
also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge
of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the
resurrection of Jesus Christ...

how does baptism save? it is an appeal made to God for a new conscience and God in turn makes the person been baptized to share in the death of Christ and then raise him up to share the new life of resurrection, that is what born again means

RM 6
Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized
into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We
were therefore buried with him through baptism into
death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the
dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a
new life.


that is what it means to be born again... it doesn't mean to say the sinners prayer.



while the above is the ordinary means to be Born again, God can sometimes fast forward the process and jump hoops just to save some one. eg the thief on the cross didn't even know the meaning of the sacrifice of Jesus, he just knew that an innocent man was condemned and the innocent man said he had a kingdom... his simple defense of Jesus and his faith even though it wasn't yet fully formed was enough for God to jump hoops for him.... in order to show Peter the need to bring in the gentiles he let the spirit fall on Cornelius and his house hold even while Peter was still preaching and they haven't yet confessed Christ with their lips.....but even though the spirit fell early on Cornelius and his household Peter still baptized them since that was the normal process.

so to recap,
1. the Bible teaches that to be born again is to repent believe, be baptized so as to receive forgiveness and the holy spirit and thus begins the new life in Christ, these gifts are usually given in baptism hence the Bible says baptism now saves you.

2. God may still go all out to save some one even if his faith isn't yet well formed and he hasn't been baptized.
3. God is at liberty to allow the gift of the spirit manifest in someone who hasn't yet confessed Christ and hasn't yet been baptized so far it serves His purpose but even after they manifest these gifts they are to be baptized as soon as it is doable.
lastly he can even delay the manifestation of the holy spirit until after baptism... until hands are laid on the Christian by a person with ministerial authority aka confirmation.

I think the whole thing was meant to be mildly offensive... funny enough they managed to deceive the Vatican to borrow them some papal vestments

Anas09:
Everything must be done with knowledge. I didn't know anything about redemption. Why Jesus' body was broken, why his blood was shed. What communion represents.

All these must be done with understanding or they'll be done in futility.

were you not taught all these or you just forgot to listen

obataokenwa:
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory


I Pray you believe

that is the parousia not rapture dear.

Yale9:
It's insane to have this chat with someone who believes a church is a building.

lol,

see what Catholics suffer, illogical and brain washed Protestants

Truthcat:
When talking about escaping reality, you are the exhibit A. The only reason you see this as conspiracy and trying to push it behind you is because it's unsettling for you and your.kind, and you'd rather bury your head in the sand. The native Americans could have called slavery
conspiracy or some few Africans who came to help the colonists. And some other colonists could have called native Americans annihilation by the the English conspiracy. Heck, many still believe Apollo 11 didn't land on the moon, and Stalin and Hitler didn't kill millions. You are richer when you are well informed about the situation the world is in, not just being a toetag zombie. These are real information coming out from patriotic intelligence agents who do not like the direction the world is going. Keep dropping other people's quotes while the you leave the more important issues on the curb.

I have no problem with reality, slavery is a reality, colonialism too, Apollo was in the moon, Hitler killed many... but it is stupid to try and make a institution the cause of all evils simply because you hate it.

sorry the deal made with Muslims doesn't say anything about killing Protestant, that is just a figment of your imagination. in fact a similar deal was made with Qatar, immediately the Catholic church was open, an Anglican, Protestant and Orthodox church followed... the deal benefitted every Christian and allowed everyone open churches.... it is just silly that you think that the Catholic church was trying to killing Protestant with assassins.

Jesuit are a religious congregation that preach the gospel everywhere, teach in schools eg Loyola college here in Nigeria, care for the sick etc....they are not assassins. read up. they are not related to the CIA. Read up


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Jesus

Knight of Malta used to be the people who fought in crusades to prevent Muslims from conquering Christian lands and they were responsible for stopping the Muslim invasion... that has long ended, they are now a charitable order in the Catholic church and they don't have assassins, their so-called military arm are paramedics.

OLAADEGBU:
Please tell us how the Roman Catholic teaching is so different from the Bible you claim to produce?

as usual your cartoons are lying.


no Catholic lives according to the laws of the Vatican state unless you are a citizen of the Vatican and you live there, the Pope is not your president unless you live in the Vatican state, that you are a Catholic doesn't make you a Vatican citizen.


a Catholic is first a Christian and will follow the laws of Christ and his church, Vatican state laws don't bind Catholics.

Truthcat:
Even Stalin and Hitler had people defending them, so stay glued to what you believe, at least you won't say "how com no one ever mention this. Smart people pay more attention to what people in power do , not just what they say. Keep consoling yourself, it's now between you and your conscience.

if this is how you escape reality, then well done.




The main thing that I learned about conspiracy
theory, is that conspiracy theorists believe in a
conspiracy because that is more comforting.
The truth of the world is that it is actually
chaotic. The truth is that it is not The Iluminati,
or The Jewish Banking Conspiracy, or the Gray
Alien Theory.
The truth is far more frightening - Nobody is in
control.

Alan Moore

Truthcat:
Ok o! Keep calling it whatever, while a lot is being moved under your feet. All the conspiracy theories of yesterday are our reality today. It was revealed many years ago during pope John Paul time that a God hating pedophile pope is coming, well it's this one. Ratzinger was pushed out by the globalist when he couldn't carry out their agenda, to make way for this one, forget about the fake smoke selection, they knew the one they chose long time ago. Now the current pope has been linked through his personal aid to boys disappearance with human bones around his house. The pope is coming out a step at a time, so I wasn't shocked when he doesn't preach abstinence but ask for more condoms to be shared, he supports Planned parenthood the abortion lords. Became political and on the side of every evil and said the apostles of God were just like jihadists of today, one would expect a pope to know that the apostles didn't kill or rape a single soul but they laid down their lives for the work of God.

There's a battle now for the Catholic assassins KNIGHTS OF MALTA/JESUIT/CIA over the clog on the wheel of their new world order agenda, I'm not surprised that the military wing of Catholic church is tossed up in the air, I'm just wondering what this church needs military for.

Catholic church is NOT a Christian church, they don't believe in Jesus, but a female figure they worship, which some think is Mary the mother of Jesus. All faiths except Christianity has that female figure though most members didn't know this and are leaving the church now.

Christians need to get off their seats and stop preaching the prosperity nonsense they use to further impoverish the weak, so nauseating! Read your bible, pray and join a small bible fellowship group. And above all, do good thing everyday, your pastor can't save you, he needs to be saved first.

conspiracy theory, Knight of Malta and Jesuit are not assassins or related to the CIA.
Catholics actually believe in Christ and it is clearly ignorance to claim otherwise.

Truthcat:
Even Saudi Arabia has struck a deal with Catholic church to build two churches in Saudi Arabia, in return help destroy Christianity, and then Islam will be double-crossed and destroyed too by Luciferians (Catholic and globalists).

We all need to be ready to fight for our lives and future generations. Benue people have not been going down gallantly as it should be. By now, they should know how the terrorists operate and wait for them. If you sit and watch, you will still be killed anyway, so why not go down fighting?

which type conspiracy theory is this.

dalaman:
Deeper life vs Cele

Greek orthodox vs Christ embassy

Maronite Christians vs catholics etc

Maronite are 100% Catholic, they accept all Catholic dogma and always have, they share the same faith.

actually will worship in a Maronite church the next time I go to Ibadan... they are Maronite Catholics

hopefulLandlord:
Let's ask Christian sects how to define Actual Christianity:

Methodist: It is accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior and publicly sharing that acceptance by getting baptized through sprinkling of water.

Baptist: No, no, no -- you must be DUNKED in water, heathen.

Pentecostal: Yer both wrong -- ye must be baptized by the Holy Spirit and ye must speak in tongues to prove you are saved.

Lutherans: You don't need to do any of that. Our founder said just believe and have faith (oh yeah and he REALLY hated Jews).

Presbyterian: How droll -- lol. No no..you see it does not matter what you do or do not, God has already decided who the true Christians will be and they are obviously all Presbyterians.

Episcopalians: Well, we each get to decide what constitutes Christianity. What is in your heart? What do you think it is for you? What say you, Bishop Spong?

Church of Christ: None of you are going to heaven because you use musical instruments in your services and God hates that.

Jehovah's Witness: Something Something Kingdom Hall; something something no birthdays, several End Times falsely predicted, no blood transfusions,,,,

Seventh Day Adventist: Pah! None of you even have the right day.

United Church of Christ: It's all good; let's listen to an acoustic guitar solo and accept gay people.

Non-denominational: Gay people? ewww. No no, ye must build megachurches with gyms and cafes to be righteous to god.

Catholic: Ummm....oldest sect here, guys. Forget that "accepting Jesus" stuff. You must mediate with God via a priest and eat crackers to get saved (just do not leave your kids alone with said priests, OK?). Oh yeah..and Virgin Mary is way cool.

Church of England: Yeah, what the Catholic said...but divorce is 100% OK.


Unitarian Universalists: Why are you guys even trying to define Christianity? All beliefs are the same (whoops.we aint even Christians).





"CHRISTIANITY: 2,000 YEARS OF EVERYONE MAKING IT UP AS THEY GO!"

funny enough that is a misrepresentation of Catholicism

Gggg102:
another consequence of the Roman Catholic Church not being Christian is that the Bible which you uphold very proudly would not be from God as it is a product of the 'non Christian' Roman Catholic Church.

Tell am

tiredoflife:
of cause na hate speech but when u Catholics call us names like yahoo yahoo pastor
new generation church
fake miracles
its not hate speech
once we talk about ur dogmas
its hate speech

new generation church is a statement of fact, your churches are new.

some pastors fleece their members and defraud the church...

this pastor didn't attack dogmas, he attacked people

Afam4eva:
Without condoning the stupidity of some of these Pentecostal pastors, i don't think he has committed any crime here.

slander is a crime

SalamRushdie:
I am 100 percent Catholic and I see no hate speech in that...its left for CWO and knights to enlighten people more about who they are and remove every pillar of profiling and restriction in their groups....this in no way qualifies as hate speech and at best can only be called slander ...the Catholic church must immediatly disassociate it self from this and not let use this demonic Buhari govt use this case as the foundation to spread it's evil hate crime nonsense as a benchmark for suppressing democracy

it qualify as hate speech actually,


Hate speech is speech that attacks a person or group on the
basis of attributes such as race , religion , ethnic origin ,
national origin, sexual orientation, disability, or gender . [1][2]
The law of some countries describes hate speech as speech,
gesture or conduct, writing, or display that incites violence or
prejudicial action against a protected group or individual on
the basis of their membership of the group, or because it
disparages or intimidates a protected group, or individual on
the basis of their membership of the group.


he attacked a group of people in speech inciting prejudice against them by calling them occultic

Hanseel1:
Nigeria is a democracy.
Freedom of speech is entrenched in our constitution.

freedom of speech and every other freedom is limited, your freedom ends where another's freedom begins, he has a right to speak, the Catholic church has a right to be Free from slander.

MiddleDimension:
while you are at it trying,to bring down other people, the holy see is busy at work trying to soften the ground in places where christianity is experiencing persecution. through their effort, not the effort of your GOs like adeboye, oyakhs, oyedepo, etc, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is begining to be more open on religious tolerance and building churches with their oil money. they achieve this, yet you think they are not holy spirit filled! you that is holy spirit filled, what have you done with your 'annointing' apart from gathering people in a stadium and shouting alleluija nob stop?

the same happened in Qatar, the Catholic Church soften the ground and opens the society to Christianity then her detractors follow to accuse her

man49men:
The atrocities committed by papas religion is reveal in Vatican basilica in Roman the headquarters of Roman catholic religion. A priest or cardinal was seen singing in Latin praising devil and worshiping Satan. We have to warn you and enlighten you more about their fake religion.

you have got it totally wrong, that is a song of praise to God sang on Easter night, it is called exultet. I think Methodist and Lutherans also use the hymn. this is the English version and Satan isn't there.


English text
Exult, let them exult, the hosts of heaven,
exult, let Angel ministers of God exult,
let the trumpet of salvation
sound aloud our mighty King's triumph!
Be glad, let earth be glad, as glory floods her,
ablaze with light from her eternal King,
let all corners of the earth be glad,
knowing an end to gloom and darkness.
Rejoice, let Mother Church also rejoice,
arrayed with the lightning of his glory,
let this holy building shake with joy,
filled with the mighty voices of the peoples.
(Therefore, dearest friends,
standing in the awesome glory of this holy light,
invoke with me, I ask you,
the mercy of God almighty,
that he, who has been pleased to number me,
though unworthy, among the Levites,
may pour into me his light unshadowed,
that I may sing this candle's perfect praises).
(Deacon: The Lord be with you.
People: And with your spirit.)
Deacon: Lift up your hearts.
People: We lift them up to the Lord.
Deacon: Let us give thanks to the Lord our God.
People: It is right and just.
It is truly right and just,
with ardent love of mind and heart
and with devoted service of our voice,
to acclaim our God invisible, the almighty Father,
and Jesus Christ, our Lord, his Son, his Only Begotten.
Who for our sake paid Adam's debt to the eternal
Father,
and, pouring out his own dear Blood,
wiped clean the record of our ancient sinfulness.
These, then, are the feasts of Passover,
in which is slain the Lamb, the one true Lamb,
whose Blood anoints the doorposts of believers.
This is the night,
when once you led our forebears, Israel's children,
from slavery in Egypt
and made them pass dry-shod through the Red Sea.
This is the night
that with a pillar of fire
banished the darkness of sin.
This is the night
that even now throughout the world,
sets Christian believers apart from worldly vices
and from the gloom of sin,
leading them to grace
and joining them to his holy ones.
This is the night
when Christ broke the prison-bars of death
and rose victorious from the underworld.
Our birth would have been no gain,
had we not been redeemed.
O wonder of your humble care for us!
O love, O charity beyond all telling,
to ransom a slave you gave away your Son!
O truly necessary sin of Adam,
destroyed completely by the Death of Christ!
O happy fault
that earned for us so great, so glorious a Redeemer!
O truly blessed night,
worthy alone to know the time and hour
when Christ rose from the underworld!
This is the night
of which it is written:
The night shall be as bright as day,
dazzling is the night for me, and full of gladness.
The sanctifying power of this night
dispels wickedness, washes faults away,
restores innocence to the fallen, and joy to mourners,
drives out hatred, fosters concord, and brings down
the mighty.
On this, your night of grace, O holy Father,
accept this candle, a solemn offering,
the work of bees and of your servants' hands,
an evening sacrifice of praise,
this gift from your most holy Church.
But now we know the praises of this pillar,
which glowing fire ignites for God's honour,
a fire into many flames divided,
yet never dimmed by sharing of its light,
for it is fed by melting wax,
drawn out by mother bees
to build a torch so precious.
O truly blessed night,
when things of heaven are wed to those of earth,
and divine to the human.
Therefore, O Lord,
we pray you that this candle,
hallowed to the honour of your name,
may persevere undimmed,
to overcome the darkness of this night.
Receive it as a pleasing fragrance,
and let it mingle with the lights of heaven.
May this flame be found still burning
by the Morning Star:
the one Morning Star who never sets,
Christ your Son,
who, coming back from death's domain,
has shed his peaceful light on humanity,
and lives and reigns for ever and ever.
Amen.

lol, very funny

felixomor:
In Christ, there is no Jew nor Gentile
In christ, there is no vatican nor denomination...

you guys say this when it suits u.
other times you will call Catholic Babylon the great going to hell.

now a good thing is done we are all in Christ

felixomor:
Hehehe, secret "catholic missionaries"

Continue worshpping your catholic church
Be giving them credit...

On the last day God will honour his real soldiers

no one is worshipping the Catholic Church here, instead you seem so biased that you can't even say a kind word for the good thing accomplished.

learn to appreciate good things...

not too long ago the Catholic Church opened the first Christian Church in Qatar, nor in Saudi... your Church who didn't labor for anything will sit down a claim to be the real soldiers and after the Catholic Church has done the work you all will go there to preach that Catholic aren't Christians... you'll go there and insult those who built the bridges you are jumping on.


and yes there are Catholic missionaries in all Muslim countries even when Syria was infested with isis and you Protestants ran away the Catholic Church was still there preaching Christ yet you guys will say you are the "real soldiers".

man49men:
I have video and material to proof my topic, this is one of material if you can read spanish. i will send the video in attachment, if you want it.



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it is Latin and he is actually praising God.

the hymn he is singing is called the exultet read up on it.

felixomor:
Credit to vatican ba?
Then what to Jesus?
Then what goes to the missionaries that have been secretly preaching there and being killed?


Continue worshipping the Catholic church....
On the last day, you go dey alright...

glory is for Jesus,
credit to the Vatican who he used to make the deal a reality.. even the Vatican has been secretly sending missionaries there for the underground Church there with a good number of Catholics

Blitzerz:
Long before
Missionaries have been secretly going there to preach the gospel and all around middle east.

The glory is for Jesus.
Not for denomination

the glory is always for Jesus.

in this case the people God used to glorify himself is the Vatican... give credit to those who worked for it.


they tried.