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asuustrike2009:
Your doctrine ought to be Bible base not just Christ based. The Bible is a guide Christians should follow.

where is it started that doctrine must be Bible based?

Neminc:
All I see is you guys beating about the bush. I don't consider Catholics pagans. Pentecostals don't disagree with everything about the Catholic church. We specifically mentioned the doctrines we disagree with and you guys should answer the question and stop beating about the bush. Where did the Bible tell us we should supplicate to Mary? And where did the Bible tell you she was assumed into heaven and given a throne beside his son and that we are to go to her if we want to get to her son?

and where is is written in your Bible that all Christian practice and doctrine are mentioned there

johnw74:
i will tell you where you lie, you keep me very busy with that, don't you
you sure do post a lot of useless garbage uben

oya tell me when these your Christians compiled their own new testament?

johnw74:
truly i never lied but accuse away false accuser



truly i don't care about that at all, you find it hard to accept the truth uben

oga,

believer in end time heresy, oya show me your so-called true Church in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th century,

of course you have to agree your end time Church is an invention of 16th century men

johnw74:
@bold, ha ha that's what i told you uben, you changed the words a little,
now go back to the copy and paste post and see how rcc say one thing at one time
and then another thing at another time
you don't have Christ as your rock that is why your confusion

no dear as usual your copy and paste is deceiving you... sorry

Beey:
No,there's nothing wrong with show of love.All good deeds are beautiful but they cannot earn one salvation.Eph:8-9.the Bible is clear that "we've been saved by grace through faith & it's the gift of God.Not by works, so that no one can boast." My problem with the Catholic theology is thae belief that the good deeds they do today shall save on the final day because the Bible is clear that we are saved through faith in Jesus alone.

what would you be judged on on the last day?


where does your Bible teach faith ALONE saves?

femi4:
There were denominations, but the doctrine were the same

For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not being merely human? What then is Apollos? What is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, as the Lord assigned to each. I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the growth. So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God who gives the growth.

there were no denominations, the same Church that Paul panted was the same church apollos watered

it seems you have a problem with comprehension

johnw74:
you uben only agree with the bible where is doesn't go against your rcc false doctrines

do you believe mary had children after Jesus? do you believe the following verses?

Mat 13:55  Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? 
Mat 13:56  And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

please where does that passage call anyone Mary's child apart from Jesus?

johnw74:
how ridiculous can one be
uben you are in that rut again where you have nothing, and keep repeating yourself,
and of course eph 2:20 is not speaking off the rcc being built on the foundations of the apostles and prophets,
the apostles and prophets never taught praying to mary and other deceased persons,
the apostles and prophets never had idols - statues they kneeled and prayed before etc. etc. etc. etc.

your deceased persons are not just persons you pray to, to ask them to pray to God for you
you build houses of worship for your deceased persons, you worship them, and you build statues of them and you bow kneel and pray to deceased persons before their statues

but you don't worship the deceased persons, and the statues are not idols, oh no, ha ha ha

and of course you enjoy jumping into issues, the topic is the apostles as foundation of the Church, I won't be derailed

ashawopikin:
how did john baptise jesus?

is that the only baptism in the Bible? or you just chose the one you like.

philfearon:
Celibacy my foot.
99.9% of them have girlfriends and Fûck!

you are God who sees men's heart or you are lying about something you don't know about.

Jonathan:
How can we pray for d0lts?
Where did you people get that idea of celibacy to worship God from? Nonsense

from the Bible, you should read it sometimes.

1 cor 7;32
I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord’s affairs—how he can please the Lord. But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband. I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the

have a nice day

KingSango:
No, you are the one not connecting the empire of Rome with the Roman Catholic Church. How come you are trying so hard, this is your fourth attempt? I am not buying it so sell it somewhere else. Ase, Love Sango

why will you buy it? you prefer your conspiracy theories.

johnw74:
hey uben you are reduced to posting the same thing over again you are such a false accuser like your god

and you are an unbeliever in scriptures



John 6:55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Luke. 22:19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me." it is a pity you refuse to agree with the word of God simply because you adopted traditions of men made up by John Calvin in the 16 th century see what God says about people like you mat 15:8 … 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah prophesied correctly about you: 8 ‘These people honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me. 9 They worship Me in vain; they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.

johnw74:
i will tell you where you lie,
you keep me very busy with that,
don't you uben

you sure do post a lot of useless garbage uben

when did these your Christians compiled
their own new testament?



or you just went blank? uh?

Proffdada:
if you don't pray TO it why stay IN FRONT OF it?

the same reason Joshua stayed in front of the ark as he prayed. because of what it represent or depicts

asuustrike2009:
You know the truth. Don't deny it when the fact and scriptures are there for you to read. Ask yourself this question, are most doctrines of the Catholic faith Bible base? Isn't the Bible against idol worship?

Catholic doctrine are Christ based,and sorry we don't worship idols

asuustrike2009:
No

you run away from those rooms when you wish to pray?

Proffdada:
please present your evidence for this claim of yours or be branded a voracious and blatant lai mohamned

read up sir Thomas more and bishop Fisher, if you need more name ask.

joshnes:
pray for you, pray with you. They are before you, they are not images. When you ask an image, chaplet or dead person to pray for you, it is IDOLATRY. The Image.

nobody prays to an image or chaplet, people may pray in front of it but not to it

joshnes:
you have told me what you don't do. You have not told me what you do with the images.

I have them around as visual reminder of my faith.

johnw74:
ha ha you uben think when you take communion
that you are eating the actual flesh of Christ

and in most every post uben you cannot help but lie and falsely accuse like your father and god satan does
before God

eya
1 cor 11:29
For those who eat and drink without discerning the
body of Christ eat and drink judgment on
themselves.
John 6:55
For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
Luke. 22:19
And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and
gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for
you; do this in remembrance of me."
it is a pity you refuse to agree with the word of God
simply because you adopted traditions of men made
up by John Calvin in the 16 th century
see what God says about people like you
mat 15:8
… 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah prophesied correctly
about
you: 8 ‘These people honor Me with their lips, but
their hearts are far from Me. 9 They worship Me in
vain; they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.’”

KingSango:
Yorubas had civil wars too but continues today as Yorubaland! So did Russia have civil wars itself, and as did China once with itself. That doesn't change the fact the Rome is a continuous entity that morphed itself into a papal state to ensure its dominance. Its called chameleon in case you're not adept to such strategy. Ase. Love Sango.

you are the one confusing the empire with the church

daveP:
Cos he was called "bishop" that now meant he was catholic? hope we both know the title is pre constantine and simply means 'a preaching elder'?? I'l modify soon..


Modified


He was a direct convert of Apostle John and had access to the early parts of the NT through Polycarp. The Apostles had OT copies(jew families and clans were known to always have copies), and used the Gospels and lateron got letters of Paul thru Timothy, Luke (OT till book of Hebrews) and cos he had direct acess, he won most arguments against liars of his days. the rcc now Came to claim him as theirs when the doctrines he believed was alien to theirs?! what a confusion!! Even the catholic church's origin has been shifted 3ice to make up for lost puzzle pieces.(but thats not my aim) my aim is the jews gave us!

it seems you are very ignorant of irenaeus, yes he was a convert and a disciple of John

but irenaeus left several writing so we know what he believed and what the church in his time believed.

enjoy

For they were desirous that these men should be very
perfect and blameless in all things, whom also they
were leaving behind as their successors, delivering
up their own place of government to these men;
which men, if they discharged their functions
honestly, would be a great boon [to the Church ], but
if they should fall away, the direst calamity.
2. Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such
a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all
the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who,
in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing,
by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion,
assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I
say,] by [b] indicating that tradition derived from the
apostles , of the very great, the very ancient, and
universally known Church founded and organized at
Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and
Paul ; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to
men , which comes down to our time by means of
the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of
necessity that every Church should agree with this
Church , on account of its preeminent authority, that
is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the tradition
has been preserved continuously by those [faithful
men] who exist everywhere.
3. The blessed apostles , then, having founded and
built up the Church , committed into the hands of
Linus the office of the episcopate . Of this Linus,
Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy. To
him succeeded Anacletus; and after him, in the third
place from the apostles , Clement was allotted the
bishopric . This man, as he had seen the blessed
apostles , and had been conversant with them, might
be said to have the preaching of the apostles still
echoing [in his ears], and their traditions before his
eyes. Nor was he alone [in this], for there were many
still remaining who had received instructions from
the apostles. In the time of this Clement, no small
dissension having occurred among the brethren at
Corinth , the Church in Rome dispatched a most
powerful letter to the Corinthians, exhorting them to
peace, renewing their faith, and declaring the
tradition which it had lately received from the
apostles , proclaiming the one God, omnipotent , the
Maker of heaven and earth, the Creator of man , who
brought on the deluge, and called Abraham , who led
the people from the land of Egypt , spoke with
Moses, set forth the law, sent the prophets, and
who has prepared fire for the devil and his angels .
From this document, whosoever chooses to do so,
may learn that He, the Father of our Lord Jesus
Christ , was preached by the Churches, and may also
understand the tradition of the Church , since this
Epistle is of older date than these men who are now
propagating falsehood , and who conjure into
existence another god beyond the Creator and the
Maker of all existing things. To this Clement there
succeeded Evaristus. Alexander followed Evaristus;
then, sixth from the apostles , Sixtus was appointed;
after him, Telephorus, who was gloriously martyred;
then Hyginus ; after him, Pius ; then after him,
Anicetus . Soter having succeeded Anicetus ,
Eleutherius does now, in the twelfth place from the
apostles , hold the inheritance of the episcopate . In
this order, and by this succession, the ecclesiastical
tradition from the apostles, and the preaching of the
truth , have come down to us. And this is most
abundant proof that there is one and the same
vivifying faith, which has been preserved in the
Church from the apostles until now, and handed
down in truth AH 3:2,3



that is ireneaus writing against heretical sects and he said every church must agree with the Roman church as she has preeminent authority. he named all the popes from peter to the one still living.

please tell me he isn't a Catholic.
[b]

daveP:
Cos he was called "bishop" that now meant he was catholic? hope we both know the title is pre constantine and simply means 'a preaching elder'?? I'l modify soon..


Modified


He was a direct convert of Apostle John and had access to the early parts of the NT through Polycarp. The Apostles had OT copies(jew families and clans were known to always have copies), and used the Gospels and lateron got letters of Paul thru Timothy, Luke (OT till book of Hebrews) and cos he had direct acess, he won most arguments against liars of his days. the rcc now Came to claim him as theirs when the doctrines he believed was alien to theirs?! what a confusion!! Even the catholic church's origin has been shifted 3ice to make up for lost puzzle pieces.(but thats not my aim) my aim is the jews gave us!

it seems you are very ignorant of irenaeus, yes he was a convert and a disciple of John

but irenaeus left several writing so we know what he believed and what the church in his time believed.

enjoy

For they were desirous that these men should be very
perfect and blameless in all things, whom also they
were leaving behind as their successors, delivering
up their own place of government to these men;
which men, if they discharged their functions
honestly, would be a great boon [to the Church ], but
if they should fall away, the direst calamity.
2. Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such
a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all
the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who,
in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing,
by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion,
assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I
say,] by [b] indicating that tradition derived from the
apostles , of the very great, the very ancient, and
universally known Church founded and organized at
Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and
Paul ; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to
men , which comes down to our time by means of
the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of
necessity that every Church should agree with this
Church , on account of its preeminent authority, that
is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the tradition
has been preserved continuously by those [faithful
men] who exist everywhere.
3. The blessed apostles , then, having founded and
built up the Church , committed into the hands of
Linus the office of the episcopate . Of this Linus,
Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy. To
him succeeded Anacletus; and after him, in the third
place from the apostles , Clement was allotted the
bishopric . This man, as he had seen the blessed
apostles , and had been conversant with them, might
be said to have the preaching of the apostles still
echoing [in his ears], and their traditions before his
eyes. Nor was he alone [in this], for there were many
still remaining who had received instructions from
the apostles. In the time of this Clement, no small
dissension having occurred among the brethren at
Corinth , the Church in Rome dispatched a most
powerful letter to the Corinthians, exhorting them to
peace, renewing their faith, and declaring the
tradition which it had lately received from the
apostles , proclaiming the one God, omnipotent , the
Maker of heaven and earth, the Creator of man , who
brought on the deluge, and called Abraham , who led
the people from the land of Egypt , spoke with
Moses, set forth the law, sent the prophets, and
who has prepared fire for the devil and his angels .
From this document, whosoever chooses to do so,
may learn that He, the Father of our Lord Jesus
Christ , was preached by the Churches, and may also
understand the tradition of the Church , since this
Epistle is of older date than these men who are now
propagating falsehood , and who conjure into
existence another god beyond the Creator and the
Maker of all existing things. To this Clement there
succeeded Evaristus. Alexander followed Evaristus;
then, sixth from the apostles , Sixtus was appointed;
after him, Telephorus, who was gloriously martyred;
then Hyginus ; after him, Pius ; then after him,
Anicetus . Soter having succeeded Anicetus ,
Eleutherius does now, in the twelfth place from the
apostles , hold the inheritance of the episcopate . In
this order, and by this succession, the ecclesiastical
tradition from the apostles, and the preaching of the
truth , have come down to us. And this is most
abundant proof that there is one and the same
vivifying faith, which has been preserved in the
Church from the apostles until now, and handed
down in truth AH 3:2,3



that is ireneaus writing against heretical sects and he said every church must agree with the Roman church as she has preeminent authority. he named all the popes from peter to the one still living.

please tell me he isn't a Catholic.
[/b]

daveP:
Cos he was called "bishop" that now meant he was catholic? hope we both know the title is pre constantine and simply means 'a preaching elder'?? I'l modify soon..


Modified


He was a direct convert of Apostle John and had access to the early parts of the NT through Polycarp. The Apostles had OT copies(jew families and clans were known to always have copies), and used the Gospels and lateron got letters of Paul thru Timothy, Luke (OT till book of Hebrews) and cos he had direct acess, he won most arguments against liars of his days. the rcc now Came to claim him as theirs when the doctrines he believed was alien to theirs?! what a confusion!! Even the catholic church's origin has been shifted 3ice to make up for lost puzzle pieces.(but thats not my aim) my aim is the jews gave us!

it seems you are very ignorant of irenaeus, yes he was a convert and a disciple of John

but irenaeus left several writing so we know what he believed and what the church in his time believed.

enjoy

For they were desirous that these men should be very
perfect and blameless in all things, whom also they
were leaving behind as their successors, delivering
up their own place of government to these men;
which men, if they discharged their functions
honestly, would be a great boon [to the Church ], but
if they should fall away, the direst calamity.
2. Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such
a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all
the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who,
in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing,
by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion,
assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I
say,] by [b] indicating that tradition derived from the
apostles , of the very great, the very ancient, and
universally known Church founded and organized at
Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and
Paul ; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to
men , which comes down to our time by means of
the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of
necessity that every Church should agree with this
Church , on account of its preeminent authority, that
is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the tradition
has been preserved continuously by those [faithful
men] who exist everywhere.
3. The blessed apostles , then, having founded and
built up the Church , committed into the hands of
Linus the office of the episcopate . Of this Linus,
Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy. To
him succeeded Anacletus; and after him, in the third
place from the apostles , Clement was allotted the
bishopric . This man, as he had seen the blessed
apostles , and had been conversant with them, might
be said to have the preaching of the apostles still
echoing [in his ears], and their traditions before his
eyes. Nor was he alone [in this], for there were many
still remaining who had received instructions from
the apostles. In the time of this Clement, no small
dissension having occurred among the brethren at
Corinth , the Church in Rome dispatched a most
powerful letter to the Corinthians, exhorting them to
peace, renewing their faith, and declaring the
tradition which it had lately received from the
apostles , proclaiming the one God, omnipotent , the
Maker of heaven and earth, the Creator of man , who
brought on the deluge, and called Abraham , who led
the people from the land of Egypt , spoke with
Moses, set forth the law, sent the prophets, and
who has prepared fire for the devil and his angels .
From this document, whosoever chooses to do so,
may learn that He, the Father of our Lord Jesus
Christ , was preached by the Churches, and may also
understand the tradition of the Church , since this
Epistle is of older date than these men who are now
propagating falsehood , and who conjure into
existence another god beyond the Creator and the
Maker of all existing things. To this Clement there
succeeded Evaristus. Alexander followed Evaristus;
then, sixth from the apostles , Sixtus was appointed;
after him, Telephorus, who was gloriously martyred;
then Hyginus ; after him, Pius ; then after him,
Anicetus . Soter having succeeded Anicetus ,
Eleutherius does now, in the twelfth place from the
apostles , hold the inheritance of the episcopate . In
this order, and by this succession, the ecclesiastical
tradition from the apostles, and the preaching of the
truth , have come down to us. And this is most
abundant proof that there is one and the same
vivifying faith, which has been preserved in the
Church from the apostles until now, and handed
down in truth AH 3:2,3



that is ireneaus writing against heretical sects and he said every church must agree with the Roman church as she has preeminent authority. he named all the popes from peter to the one still living.

please tell me he isn't a Catholic.

ashawopikin:
bible said baptism is total immersion in water, while catholics dont

where did you get that from?

asuustrike2009:
None of them. I have the images in my house because I admire it not to bow to it

do you pray in the rooms with those image

amunkita:
If addressing someone is prayer, why don't u guyz pray using the 12 disciples afterall go to the books of Philipians, Timothy, Ephesians nd see how these men were addressed by other great men of God.
I belive in the trinity but if Mary is the mother of God then the passage that sayz come to the father through the son is contradicting right Afterall they re one....

Wait oooo, did u say Mary was born without sin?
My brother, u see u guyz know very little of the bible, open to Psalm 51 vs 5, ephesian 2 vs 3, we re born sinners expect u can prove the above passage false.

This is no quest brother, take away sentiment nd seek knowledge nd you would be free..
Can also see u ve avoided other questions I raised...

we also pray using the 12 apostles... the only wahala is you guys only start foaming in the mouth once you hear Mary

asuustrike2009:
If you talk of Catholic I dey gidigba. But the truth of the Matter is that they worship idols

your untrue opinion.

Proffdada:
that was before Christ. If you continue like that you don't believe in Christ

even the commandments you guys have been quoting is before Christ.

Proffdada:
can you give other accounts where this was made by Jesus or God?

I don't need another, that one is enough

femi4:
While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said: set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them... So, being sent out by the Holy Spirit, they went down to Seleucia ... to Cyprus" (Acts 13:2-4). These missionaries (Apostles) as a first church planting team were sent out by the Holy Spirit

The Holy Spirit used them to "make disciples" and to "plant churches" in different towns (Acts 13:52; 14:22).

so did they start their own denominations?

Confuciusng:
There are passages in the bible you'd read and never understand, unless there is divine guidance from the Holy Spirit. But there are also some passages that are written clearly and do not need divine intervention for comprehension.

You remember Exodus 25, when God instructed the children of Israel to build a place he could dwell, his sanctuary.
Well, the Catholic Church just decided to follow this description when they designed the pope's throne. Is it a coincidence/conspiracy?
Exodus 25:17-19 ...'And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof. And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat. And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.'

“The LORD reigns; Let the peoples tremble! He dwells between the cherubim; Let the earth be moved!”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭99:1‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
http://bible.com/114/psa.99.1.nkjv
The pope sits on something a little like that too:

“Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23:9‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
http://bible.com/114/mat.23.9.nkjv
Yet you all call the pope the Holy Father.

The Pope is not simply the representative of Jesus Christ. On the contrary, he is Jesus Christ Himself, under the veil of the flesh." (Evangelical Christendom, January 1, 1895, pg. 15, published in London by J. S. Phillips)
"The Pope is of so great dignity, and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God and the vicar of God."(Ferraris Ecclesiastical dictionary). You can go check these out, they said this stuff. No be play play.
The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth."(Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, Cities Petrus Bertanous).
Wow, am shocked.

Ref: http://www.end-times-prophecy.org/man-of-sin-revealed.html

you call your pastors daddy and cry Catholics call the pope father? hypocrisy.


hope you know the church doesn't teach any of the stuff you quoted above.