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femi4:
Go back to the Bible toddler and check how churches are being planted

nobody in the Bible planted his own Church, they only expanded the church already began.

there were no denominations in Christianity, it was Protestants who began such shameful practice.

OBAGADAFFI:
Well, The Roman Catholic Church is a mixture of Peganism and Christianity.

Christmas, Months and days are named after Roman gods.

there is no mixture. the months were named even before Christ weytin concern Catholics there?

joshnes:
he fell before the ark obviously out of frustration, the bible never said he worshipped it, or prayed to it. To answer you, he in no way worshipped the ark.

Joshua tore his clothes; he and the leaders
of Israel lay face down on the ground before
the ark of the Lord until evening and threw
dirt on their heads.

joshnes:
Brother, you know very well you guys just don't pray in the premises of those images, you guys PRAY TO them. That is where the issue is. As for symbols, they were used because the old testament is only but a shadow of things that were to come. Which actually came when Jesus died and resurrected. God and His law is now in my heart, I don't need any symbol to gain access to God, neither do you (Jer 31:31-34 Heb 8:5-13 Pls Read). God wants to talk with you, and the only thing you need to talk back to Him is the name of Jesus. No symbol, no stature, no image, just Jesus.

sorry you are mistaken it is condemned in the Catholic Church for anyone to pray TO an image.

the church both forbids and condemns such.

GGirll:
We do not fight against flesh n blood please read Ephisians 6:19-18 besides God does not need your legion of Mary to fight his battle for he has said vengeance is mine....he's a consuming fire n need no man to fight for him read ex 4-ex20

first you agree that we are in a fight against Satan and his agents, they you turn around and say no fight


why do you have 2 mouth? or is it just bias?

asuustrike2009:
He's not going to any hell. Mary is a human being like you and I. She was just favoured among women on earth. She wasn't the only virgin on earth. She played a role like every other mothers on planet

is every other mother the mother of Jesus?

asuustrike2009:
There is the difference between having an image of Jesus and bowing to it. It's the bowing down to it that's the bone of contention. Can I have a picture of imaginary Jesus but I can't bow or worship it. So the two concept are totally different

if you had an image of Jesus would you bow in prayer any where around it or you will always go outside your room wherever you bow in prayer?

joshnes:
the ark is NOT an object of worship. God NEVER asked the Isrealites to worship the ark. NEVER. The ark of the covenant, like the brazen serpent was symbolic. Representing the Holy Spirit filled born again child of God in the new testament era.

but they had no problem prostrating before it abi?

Proffdada:
you can't keep honoring a dead mary ,erect graven images which you kneel before every and expect the Holy Spirit to dwell in you

if the Israelites could erect images and prostrate before it and still have the spirit, I see no reason why not

asuustrike2009:
Did the Israelites worshipped the bronze image of a serpent? No. It's act of worship those images that God hates. The Israelites were asked to look at the serpent not bow down to worship it. The art of covenant had images but were not worshipped.

but they had no problem prostrating before the ark...

joshnes:
You are arguing with yourself. The commandment and the instruction to make the serpent are both in the bible and you don't need a professor to explain them to you. They did not pray to nor worship the serpent. As for your other questions I refer you back to where I said the bible and God does not tolerate idolatry also you can read Romans 1: 21-32.

oh wherever you interpret one scripture and make it contradict another scripture, that means you have misinterpreted it.

now try again without contradiction.

Proffdada:
JESUS , the disciples and apostles never for once made reference to or give a hint to 'honor' mary. Instead emphasis was laid on the Holy spirit. Please retrace your steps to the truth

that means you missed Luke who records a prophecy from Mary saying. henceforth all generation shall call me blessed... that is the hint

adegeye38:
Catholic church is a sun worshiping cult, that has been involved in a lot of abominable things, including, murders of atogonist, one which is wyclife the first reformer and has been infiltrated by lots of other cults dating back to the era of Constantinople, when the church became a state church

Catholic focuses on religion and rituals, Christianity is not a religion but a way of life

Jesus christ said, i am the truth, the way and the life, no one comes to the father except through me

"as anyone who believes in me had been given power to become sons of God."

And there is no difference between the structure of the Catholic church and the structure of the Temple headed by the self righteous religious bigots Pharisees, who held the children of Isrealites to religious bondage, which was one of the things Christ came to save us from.

The concept of Salvation is lacking

The concept of being born again is lacking

where Jesus Christ said unless any man is born agian he would not see the kingdom of heaven

And once u are born again, old things are passed away and you are reborn of the spirit, and a new life is given, and the things required to live a Godly life while enjoying a personal relationship with God is given

Its the process of being born again that makes u a Christian, not cos u are involved in somes rituals and chantings, and sinning and confessing to a man and sinning and sinning again its all very stupid



The person relationship with God which was one of the things Christ came to establishes is lacking

Go and read the whole of John to learn more about that.

I can go on and on about the lots of occultic figures, symbols, archicture and secret gatherings going on secretly at d vatican.

nothing about the Catholic Church is biblical, only occult of

The Church doctrines, activities, rituals, worship, papacy, figure worshiping, Marry worshiping, saint hood and so on, goes against what Christ stands for and What Christianity stands for.

I can go on and on and on and on

here comes the conspiracy theories

Sanchez01:
Culture is one thing and religion is another. Both have been fused at some point but then it does not work that way with the Christian faith.

The Catholic church as they are called today got a handful of its practices from Pagan Romans who thought to fuse Christianity with their practice and adopt the fusion rather than lose out on their belief.

The protestant faith is quite diversified. However, most of them still points to the Scriptures even though their teachings are perverted. Like I had mentioned, the worship of Mary, praying to dead saints, the teachings and beliefs of purgatory, man being given the mandate to listen to the sins of another and in turn cancel or rule it out in forgiveness, the stark idolatry, among others were never part of the teachings of Christ.

The Catholic church is nowhere close when you mention Christ.

religion itself if it is true must be a culture, a religion must be a way of life if not it isn't worth it.

the Catholic Church didn't get its practices from paganism, instead from the early church and the Jews.

the Protestant churches aren't diversified, they are scattered, fractured, contradictory, divisive and confused. they are the antithesis of Jesus prayers in John 17 a disgrace to christiandom and Christian history.

you have decided in your own mind that Catholic worship Mary and commit idolatry... they have always disagreed... if anything you are the one accusing people falsely... are you among the Christians ignorant of the fact that Jesus gave his apostles power to forgive sins saying"whosoever you forgive is forgiven? or are you the only one aware that this power has been exercised in the church for 2000 years?

maybe you are the one ignorant of what constitute genuine Christian practices.

Neminc:
The Jews wrote the Torah. The prophets and the law. They wrote about the coming Messiah. The promise of the Messiah was made to the Jews but guess what? When the Messiah came, they didn't know him and didn't believe him. So the fact that Catholics may have collated and translated the earliest bibles does not give them superior knowledge of the Bible. In fact, it adds to the irony that the people who collated and translated the Bible are ignorant of the things written therein

what more ironic than the fact that you use a new testament canon set by those you consider pagans

joshnes:
that was a specific instruction from God for a specific situation, they were asked to look at it, not pray to or worship it. I could go deeper in the symbolism of that serpent but I'd rather not. Besides do you know that the snake was one of the idols the children of Israel later worshipped and King Hezekiah had to destroy it totally in order to return the people back to God? (2kings 18:4). God does not tolerate idol worship at all. No part of the bible says otherwise.

so your God is fond of contradicting himself?
heresy

Sanchez01:
I hear this every day. For the record, Christians are not expected to pray THROUGH Christ but in His Name. It is a mark of authority which we enforce in prayers.

I have been in many to the point that I have come to know that the 'mother of god' is to pray for those who claim they worship God.

so Paul the apostle was wrong when he prayed through Jesus in romans

“ First, I give thanks to my
God through Jesus Christ for all of you” (1: and
“[T] o the only wise God, through Jesus Christ be
glory forever and ever” (16:27).

or you know more than the apostle?

at what point in the mass did you notice Catholics praying through Mary without Jesus as you earlier claimed?

ashawopikin:
God bless u. I was a catholic b4. Until i read what d bible said about baptism idolatory and confession of sins

please what does the Bible say about baptism?

mechanics:
Catholics worship Mary which is not part of the mode of worship in the Bible.

which Catholic told you he worship Mary or you assumed that?

Confuciusng:
This is the book you need to read to understand the Catholic Church (even auto correct knows it's a noun �): David Yallop's In God's Name (1984). Then read Daniel 7, yeah the bible. Then research the throne the pope seats on. The bible describes the pope's throne in great detail, meticulously if you get me. Catholics are playing with fire, about a billion souls for the devil.

weldone with the conspiracy theories

Opakan2:
What is the meaning? kindly tell us.

FYI you can't just say christianity is a cult. Well with the way things are now where just about any nuisance can open a church and claim. pastor or G.O or what have you, performing stage managed "miracles" to fool the gullible sheepies, you might be right.

A cult is birthed when you start having symbols, flags, idols etc. Most especially hierarchy like number 1, 2, 3 etc.

The true religion has been lost over the years with the help of satan's manipulations.

a cult is
a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also
: its body of adherents


so yes Christianity is a cult

thunderbabs:
The bible in no chapter or verse tells us to pray through Mary, and we re to confess our sins to God not a Rev in a booth who probably as itz most cases today, a homo or a paedophile......imagine u a sinner confessing to a priest who is a paedophile though u myt not know tho..... Buh Common sense, plz.

if a pastor who committed a sin baptises a person is the person truly baptised? yes or no?

tete7000:
How do you reconcile that the same God that commanded that no image should be made ordered Moses to make a bronze image of a serpent for the Israelites to look upon when bitten by fiery snakes sent to punish them in the desert.
Are also aware that the ark of covenant also has an image of an angel? How do you reconcile that these were ordered by the same God that gave the commandments?

he can't

he has interpreted the bible half and half and made some part contradict others. he has failed to placed precept on precept

daveP:
Even you have arrived. I hail!

The Constantine merger is what makes it seem so. Josephus and Irenaeus had volumes of the new testament with them in jerusalem and then the letters of paul. Decades passed and suddenly, Constantine's proclamation, which started the rcc, suddenly brought these scrolls to light. Meanwhile we know of the combined OT. The jews ARRANGED the OT(Ezra), and then the Emperor oversaw the NT. Well i could go on, but its not my aim. The rcc should stop the empty boasting that we wont have a bible without them. This is GOD's word for heaven's sake!! If he wanted to use Nebuchadnezzar, he would! NOBODY SHOULD COME AND START BEING A CONDITIONAL BARON TO US. That word has survived worse and still PRESERVED!!

you are aware that even irenaeus you mentioned is a Catholic as are other people who had a hand in compiling the new testament . so the Catholic Church existed before Constantine

Opakan2:
But Catholics are not christians na..

Or why do they pray through Virgin Mary (no longer a virgin after birth of Christ). The scriptures said she had others kids.

Why do they bow to graven images of christ, Mary and co.. Has anyone seen Mary or Christ before? NO

In short why do they deviate from everything Christ taught while on Earth. The whole order there looks like a cult (no offence)

Christianity itself is a cult

it seems you don't know the meaning of cult

omojeesu:
Any individual or group claiming to be 'Christian' but not according to the New Testament is fake whether they call themselves Catholic, Evangelical, Pentecostal, Syncretic, etc

when you call the compilers of the new testament fake what will you say about the books they put in your hands?

ifenes:
Long before the Roman Catholics fingered lots of ancient books there were "Queens of Heaven" Inanna, Anat, Isis, Astarte, Hera, Asherah were all in turns called "Queen of heaven" just as Jesus is called the "Messiah", a post previously occupied by previous messiahs like Horus and co.

But what really brought about this title called Queen of Heaven and what does it really represent ? It's all Astrology. Astrology was the centre of the ancient world. They were obsessed with it and all religion, I mean all human religion are built around it. Talk of the Muslims fasting around the moon and Sun, Christians holding Christmas and Easter is built around the movement of the moon and Sun, day and Night etc.

But really, what really is the Queen of heaven and her Sun...... The Moon. Isis, Astarte, Inanna all had one thing in common.....a crown of moon upon their heads, which is a symbol of what they represent.

Today the Christian religion and Islam are represented around the Sun God and Moon Goddess. You can see the moon on every mosque and flags of those who built their religion around the moon Goddess and the Christisns focus on the Sun,whom they call the Sun of God. Both preserving the ancient pagan worship of the stars. Astrology is Morden religion.

long before Catholics call Jesus King of kings many pagans called their gods same.

so we should stop calling Jesus King of kings because pagan worshipped their gods with that title

Sanchez01:
SOME. Those who have their brains formatted and are lazy to read would forever end up believing Pastors rather than God and His Word.

For the Catholic community, it is worse, doctrine is Unscriptural as well as its teachings. Is there a Catholic 'church' that teaches one should pray to God in Jesus' Name rather than go through Mary?

have you ever been a Catholic Church and attend mass, their own worship? it isn't good to criticise people from a position of ignorance.

if you were ever in a mass you would know Catholic always pray through Christ our Lord or in Jesus name

dingbang:
I thought that Martin Luther King revolted against the catholic church on the basis that salvation was attained by faith only... I didn't see any case about gays

yeah... the guy was joking I think

hisgrace090:
Catholics have started practicing almost all the Pentecostals practice, ie- holding crusade, forming bible studying group, prayer ministry etc.

But refuse to abandon all their practices that is against the bible as many have mentioned above.

Today they are arguementators in other to keep on holding unto those false doctrine instead of changing.

As of today let God alone handle their case not me.

are you sure those practice are against the Bible or against your interpretation of it?

Kenerd:
I think one reason is that they use the missal. It's basically the same thing they do IMO; cherry picking. The missal eliminated the need to carry the Bible since the church has done all their homework and removed the parts they don't want. e.g. The second set of ten commandments(that's if you know they exist).

have you ever checked a misal and found a commandment missing? or you are lying in ignorance.

Sanchez01:
The Catholic community is more or less a cultural group. This is harsh but it's the truth. The group's belief and doctrine far contradicts the Bible, particularly with the deitifying of Mary as a ln entity to be worshipped and petitioned.

Setting up statues in strategic places within and around the church and ascribing worship to them is another.

Asking dead and buried 'saints' to pray and intercede on one's behalf is very much far from the dynamics of prayer in the Christian faith.

I taught in a Catholic school during my service year and one funny thing happened while I was supervising a particular class during examination. Without informing/regard, the entire class rose like programmed robots to chant something. Interestingly, their action was triggered by the sound of some distant clock strikes.

Fundamentalism, just as with the sister religion is quite rampant with the Catholic community. Regardless, this isn't an issue because the group's doctrine, belief, practices and teachings quote negate that of Christ and the Scripture. The worship of the Queen of Heaven is second to none to with the Catholic community.

a culture is a way of life, I expect every Christian to make his faith his culture...

I am surprised you are against that.



are you sure it negates the scripture and Christ or just your interpretation of it?

have you ever thought it through, that the way Catholics worship today is the same way Christians have worshipped for 2000 years and that your own Protestant faith was invented recently and the inventors will consider much of your belief to be heresy.