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johnw74:
did i say that or someone else, post the quotes or it's just more lies from uben




God did, He also said you rc's and other image lovers, hate Him:
(Deu 5:8] Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
(Deu 5:9) Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,



if true, they were obviously christian sects led away from the truth,
just as the rcc is led away, and into lies by their god satan

God's church - christians that believe God, don't have images - idols, truly

you said that in this post



johnw74 :
uben, more lies of yours and satans church exposed:
THE PRIESTHOOD
The Roman Catholic Church teaches that Jesus
Christ ordained the twelve apostles to the priesthood
at the Last Supper and that the powers of the
priesthood were handed down during the past two
thousand years. This teaching is clearly contrary to
the Word of God.
In the Old Testament the work of Christ was
prefigured under the three offices of prophet, priest
and king. The nation of Israel had each office. With
the coming of Christ each of these offices found its
fulfillment in Him. Thus in the New Testament there
is no need for a human sacrificing priesthood.
John 19:30. It is consummated.
I Timothy 2:5. There is one God, and one
Mediator...Christ Jesus.
Hebrews 7:24. Because he continues forever, has an
everlasting (non-transferable, intransmissible)
priesthood.
Hebrews 7:25. He lives always to make intercession.
Hebrews 7:27. He does not need to offer sacrifices
daily.
Hebrews 9:12. Having obtained eternal redemption.
Hebrews 10:10. We have been sanctified through the
offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
I Corinthians 12:28. God indeed has placed some in
the Church, first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly
teachers... (no mention of sacramental priests) .
Ephesians 4:11. He Himself gave some men as
apostles, and some as prophets, others again as
evangelists, and others as pastors and teachers...
(again no mention of sacramental priests) .
I Peter 5:1-3. I, your fellow-presbyter and witness...
(Nothing about being a priest) .
The office of priest is not the same as minister. The
concept of a mediating, sacrificing priesthood
originated and developed under Cyprian, the
theological authority in the West until the time of
Augustine, and was part of the merger of paganism
with Christianity. Nowhere in the Scriptures will on
find evidence of a mediating, sacrificing priesthood
after Christ.

johnw74:
do your own work and searches, and then if you find what you are looking for, then post it, oh duh one

dodging as usual because you are unable to back up your claims

johnw74:
duh uben, God fearing people of the old testament read the God inspired
literature that was available to them, the same as the new testament believers did,
the same literature that is part of what is called the bible, and was written by God inspired men,
the rcc of course wrote none of it, but do change much of the meaning of what it says,
don't you uben

give me the name of the non Catholic who used the new testament before the Catholic Church?

if Catholic are pagan then tell me when the Protestant canonised their own new testament

UnchangeableGod:
No sir. The Catholic Church backslid at a point in time. Point of correction: The Catholic Church never wrote the Bible. No Church did. Holy and obedient Individual Christians, who were inspired by the Holy Spirit did. The true believers who authored the books of the Bible were never involved in idolatry of bowing down to carved or molten images, removal of the 2nd Commandment, worshiping or praying through 'Mary', praying through dead 'saints', oracular confessions, teaching of inexistent Purgatory, infant baptism (by sprinkling of water), praying for the dead, forcing the clergy not to marry, paying for indulgences etc. If any of the writers was involved in any of the above, he or she was a backslider and God is not a respecter of anybody. So stop mixing things up and stop misrepresenting the faithful writers of the Bible and justifying errors. I read and believe the Bible irrespective of who compiled it. I read and believe it because it is the word of God. I have personal proofs in my life that it is indeed the word of God. The issue remains that the Roman Catholic Church with all these unscriptural and ungodly practises is not a Bible believing Church. May the Lord open your eyes as He opened mine I J N, Amen.

the Church of Christ can never backslide, unless you don't believe in Jesus who clearly said the gates of hell will never prevail... the Church by nature cannot backslide.... I'm not just telling you it didn't happen I'm telling it cannot happen, Jesus told us so.


if this Church is pagan as you claim then Jesus lied and hell took over, then hell compiled your new testament, which mean your bible is pagan.

that is the natural conclusion from your claim. pagans can only canonise pagan scriptures.

brocab:
Uben this is a change from you, some centuries ago, you denied Peter even having a wife.
Popes priest pastors that married obeyed the law of Christ, a marriage can do wonders it can help support their ministries.
Paul said: if we burn with passion it is best to get married, as humans we all burn with passions for the opposite sex. Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.
Every minister travelling the world should be married, Men alone preaching the Word of God-can cause problems in the community, especially around women.
Unmarried Pope's, that burn with passion should be married, there are to many wrongs in the world with priest not married, and to make a vow with God-doesn't give anybody the rights to burn in passion for the wrong reasons.
Within the Governments we have the first lady, she of course has the countries full respect, Just think how life could be, if the Pope decided to marry, from a wife-mothers heart, the lost will be found, the hungry will eat, the thirsty will drink, the strangers will no longer be strangers, the sick will get well, those in prison will be released.
Everything you all have expected Mary to be, will finely come alive in the natural.

I never denied peter was once married... after him so were many priest... we still have such.


but sorry I disagree with the epistle you wrote above.

my Bible says he who marries does well but he who doesn't does better... it goes further to say it is better to be single so as to be devoted to Christ and describes marriage as a distraction... so the Catholic Church is happy to also have celibate clergy.

johnw74:
you uben call the bible illustrated, cartoons,
you think God's word is a joke.

nah

I call cartoons cartoons. when I see cartoons I call them by their names cartoons

trustyshoess:
Nope, but I know God (by reading my bible) to know what he would and wouldn't do.

nah.

you decided to interpret the Bible with your anti Catholic bias.

there is no reason God wouldn't perform a miracle to confirm the faith of his children.



you are beginning to sound like those pharisees who claimed Jesus miracle came from the devil just because they were biased against him.

itchie:
This pope is actually an Antichrist. I didn't say "The" Antichrist. An Antichrist is one who encourages teachings or laws that are against Christ's teachings. There are many antichristian teachings all over the world including Nigeria. So stop counting because you can't count them. I don't know who The Antichrist will be. What I am kicking against is the same thing the priests in the story are kicking against and what any conservative Christian who has followed this current pope's actions will also detest

lol

trustyshoess:
The sun enlarged and shrank? Oh come off it
Yes I'm a Christian and yes I believe in Miracles but the God I serve doesn't perform miracles for oohs and ahhhs. Miracles are supposed to change lives and glorify the name of God.

so you inform God on which miracles he should or should not perform.

Mickey02:
A prayer booklet of some sort like that but I've not lay my hands on it

I don't think I've heard of it b4
jnrbayano I greet u

DoctorAlien:
Stop playingaround with the word "catholic". You are not deceiving anybody.

The word catholic literally means "universal," as in "the universal church." It originally was applied to all Christians because we are all part of the universal church in the way that we are all members of the Body of Christ. The Latin word is catholicus, and in Greek it is katholikos, from the Greek phrase meaning "on the whole, according to the whole or in general." The word in English can mean "including a wide variety of things; all-embracing," or "of the Roman Catholic faith," or "relating to the historic doctrine and practice of the Western Church.”

Catholic was first used to describe the Christian Church in the early 2nd century to emphasize its universal scope. The term has been incorporated into the name of the largest Christian communion, the Roman Catholic Church, which consists of 23 churches sui iuris, in full communion with the Bishop of Rome. The largest of these, the Latin Rite consists of nearly 95 percent of the population of the Catholic Church. The remaining 5 percent consist of the 22 Eastern Catholic Churches. Some Protestant churches use the term "catholic Church" to refer broadly to all believers in Jesus Christ across the world and the ages, regardless of denominational affiliation. Generally, to avoid confusion between this concept and the Roman Catholic Church, theologians will refer to the “universal church” as the “church catholic,” utilizing the lower case, instead of “Catholic Church.”

The Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Anglican, and Lutheran, and some Methodists declare that their churches are catholic in the sense that they are in continuity with the original universal church founded by the apostles. The Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox churches all believe that their church is the only original and universal church. Catholicity is considered one of Four Marks of the Church, the others being unity, sanctity, and apostolicity according to the Nicene Creed of 381: "I believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church." It is crucially important to remember, though, that when the early Christians used the term “catholic,” they were not referring to any particular church, denomination, rite, or communion. They were simply referring to all true believers in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Source: https://www.gotquestions.org/Catholic-meaning-definition.html

sorry dear, when the early Christian used the word Catholic Church they used it to refer to those who had the same faith with them and excluded the heretics.

do you share same faith with the Church fathers?

analice107:
Like i'm terrified of you now? Naaa.

nah

why will you be terrified I don't bite... I'm just reminding you that I'm still here if you wish to ask me a question

blueAgent:
Reading the bible everyday does not mean you know or understand what is written in it, this is obvious becos if you really read and understand the Bible you will see that your Church doctrine contradict the Bible.

no dear it only contradicts your erroneous interpretation of the Bible.

it is you who seem not to understand scriptures... of course what can I expect from a student of 21 century teachers who are 2000 years removed from the event and have divorced themselves from the historic Christian faith

brocab:
The Catholic Church claims it was the apostle Peter who started the Catholic Church, they say he became their Pope?
I have argued this out with my wife who is a Catholic, also with other Catholic's, whom they find an avenue to escape this Question, only to hide oneself in the closet.
Pope's in their religion are not allowed to marry and yet the apostle Peter was married in scripture.

Matthew 8:14 When Jesus came into Peters house He saw His mother in law laying in bed with a fever.

So can someone point out to me which Peter, the Catholic Church are talking about. As I have asked many Catholic's other then my wife-and the response I retrieved was cursing and mocking etc.

Calling me a non Christian the devil himself has risen.

so you aren't aware that many popes were married? so were many bishops and even today you may find married priest?


of course peter was married so were others after him.

wiegraf:
Full article here.

And lol

as usual journalist sometimes talk about things they don't know about.


there is a battle in the Church but it isn't about doctrine it is about practices.

both Pope Francis and any perceived opposition agrees that marriage is between man and woman for life... they all agree divorce and remarriage is a sin....

Francis says if the remarried person is repentant but can't remedy his situation then let his priest and him decide if he may receive communion... at least that is how many interpret the controversial footnote.

the other group says the fruit of repentance is a changed life and the remarried person should leave his sinful marriage in other to receive communion.

the Pope can't make laws through a footnote which means whatever the footnote says can be rejected....

it offers a dicy situation but has nothing to do with doctrine.

UnchangeableGod:
The person yoy quoted never mentioned any name. So you affirmed it yourself that the Catholic Church is fake. Sir, enough of this Catholic Church compiled the Bible stuff. What if they did? Are there not people who preached and converted others, yet backslid and went to hell while their converts made it to heaven? Is it not a cause for concern that the same Catholic Church you claim compiled the Bible is going against what they 'compiled'? Will God become partial and allow Catholics to enter heaven in spite of their false unscriptural practices just because they 'compiled' the Bible? Don't you think you should rather mourn and repent instead of gloating over the historical achievements of an apostate 'Church'?

actually the person I quoted called many names.


this isn't about people who preached and converted others and then backslide. this is about the Catholic Church, what she believe today is the same things she believe then.

if she is fake now then she was fake then,if she is pagan now she was then....that means you are using a pagan new testament.. unless you are using a different new testament from the one the Church canonized then you're using a pagan Bible.


secondly who told you every Christian practice must be found in the Bible?

the Church existed before the Bible and the new testament was never written to catalog every Christian practice....so why do you think the new testament which was written after the Church for the Church must contain all Christian practice?


lastly the Church Jesus founded canon apostatize, Jesus already promised that the gates of hell will never prevail against her.

omojeesu:
Explain.

it simple...

Jesus died, rose and ascended... he sent his apostles and gave them the holy spirit, they became leaders of the early Church... this church has power to teach to bind to lose etc, where ever the apostles preached they appointed presbyter and bishops and entrust both their teaching and authority to them.

by the year 100AD all the apostles were dead... nobody had a complete new testament but the Church continued... even in 200AD and 300AD because teaching authority had always been in the Church... finally in the 3rd and 4th century the church decided to set the canon of the new testament. then we began to have the Bible... this church continued till this day. in 40AD it was called the way, by 70AD her members were called Christians by 110AD it was called the Catholic Church...it is still called the Catholic Church today.

xkape:
@Jagunlabi
So the vatican (or a priest or the pope or whoever) says creationism is BS? Oh goody!! I guess now u have validation for ur beliefs and ur existence. We all know u dont belive in Christianity or Jesus or whatever ur flavour of atheism is. So why do u try so hard to show that the bible is wrong, jesus does not exist, jesus is gay etc, yea we all know all we religious pple are deluded and superstisious and primitive and confused etc ad nauseum. So just give it a break!! or who are u really trying to convince? maybe its urself

On the vatican priest: the irony is, the very organisation that knows the least about christianity is always held by the world as the bastion of christianity. the same pple responsible for the inquisition, the crusades, idols in worship, homosexual clergy etc. they come out and say creationism is paganism. u have to wonder at the intelligence of such pple when they rubish creation becos it could not have happenned in 6 literal days. when solar days had not even existed at the time of the reckoning. anyway that is another argument entirely.

Final note to jagunlabi and company. why are u pple so ionterested in hacking the bible and bible-belivers. let us hold un to our "illusion" in peace since u r so convinced we are wasting our time. Get a life

first you admit that the world was not created in 6 literal days yet you condemn someone for condemning creationism.


the stuff he is rebutting is the belief that the world was created in 6 literal days.

Ubenedictus:
please list the people who used the Bible before the Catholic Church and weren't Catholic, is that too hard for you.



if you are making a claim back it up, if you claim Christians were using the current Bible and they weren't Catholics, then name them.

if you can't, why not learn.

doctoralien

AgentOfAllah:
Then like you, I shall embrace the maddest of all madnesses...seeking method to one's madness!


From experience, every urge, once fulfilled, comes to a natural state of tameness. So, I say, may the fittest urge plasticinise first!

or rather urges once fulfilled wants to be more fulfilled.

analice107:
Funny enough, only one individual made that claim, yet it must be true? Catholics are not even Christians

lol you must believe Christianity began in the 16th century?


if Catholics aren't Christian no one is.

KAG:
The current pope's take is almost simalra to Pope John Paul II's. He seems to also be a theistic evolutionist.

yep...

xkape:
@KAG
people like augustine were more pagan than the pagans

people like Augustine set the Canon of the new testament you are using today.

if he is pagan, then so is the new testament they gave you, you need to form your own nonpagan new testament.

KAG:
It's not a new thing, if I remember correctly, christians like Augustine believed the Genesis accounts (at least the Eden scenario) were mythical.

he didn't say it was mythical he said it should not be interpreted literally.

PastorAIO:
Alas I can't copy and paste this book I've just seen but I'll type out a paragraph. It is from here:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yBIqDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT145&lpg=PT145&dq=Authority+hats+crowns&source=bl&ots=qahnEos1lS&sig=-q3tjZ7GCM_6aQoLUIETPSyHbes&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwirgqXqxInXAhXsCcAKHec1AVwQ6AEIQjAJ#v=onepage&q=Authority%20hats%20crowns&f=false





Me personally, I've noticed this phenomenon for a while. Never underestimate the power of wearing a hat. It's so stupid but it's so effective.

yep the hat thing...

the examples were all on point except the one on card. Burke long cope... that is a capa magnum I think and it symbolises the very opposite of a hat.

PastorAIO:
https://www.nairaland.com/4131372/why-pentecostals-believe-catholic-church/23

This thread serves to prove to me that what passes for Christianity today is nothing more than the vehicle for purveying a spirit of arrogance and I-too-know-ism.

Christianity is a way of justifying one's prejudice and this is made most clear when you see Christians argue against each other. Or rather, argue past each other.

hmm

PastorAIO:
You're getting there but I believe that you have a quite some way to go before you become as stark raving mad as I am.

What if that thing that could quell your other urges was itself an urge whereby you won't feel contentment until you connect with it. Yet once you do all your other urges like a wild beast that has been tamed will become like plasticene in your hands. To shape and do with as you will.

one urge that quells other urges... hmm reminds me of the confession of st Augustine

omojeesu:
CHRIST'S CHURCH WAS BORN AT PENTECOST.
YOUR CHURCH AFTER CONSTANTINOPLE'S 'HIJACK'

no sir.


that church born when Jesus died and empowered at Pentecost IS the Catholic Church

analice107:
Ask him to tell the church Jesus ever attended.

you can ask me yourself, I promise I don't bite.

blueAgent:
Laughable, the problem is you don't read your bible, you depend on your priest to interprete and to educate you on bible issues. Thats too bad.

actually, I do read the Bible ...since I was a kid... I grew up reading the Bible, I wake up with it, sleep with it,... it is my most read literature, I go over it over and over again... it is my manual for life... yesterday, today, tomorrow... I can't even begin to explain it to you...

but you are right about something though,

I don't interpret it like 21 century Protestants do, because I also know it is the work of the Church, for the Church... as part of the deposit of faith in the Church. From the beginning it was meant to be read and studied and interpreted in the Church not outside by every Tom, dik and Harry twisting it to support a 16 th century invention called Protestantism.


I'm am happy to have read scriptures on my own, but most happy to study it in the Church for whom it was made, the pillar and bulwark of truth, of whom the gates of hell never prevailed

johnw74:
@bold, no, never made such a claim
but you cannot stop lying:
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

the rest is just more of your confused babble

uben, this wasn't copy and paste: https://www.nairaland.com/3720100/how-witness-loved-ones-roman/6#61743890
and you cannot reply to it, you would have to twist God's word to have it say something else


you cannot reply to any of the Bible verses posted, but just continue on with your lies and nonsense

it must be confusing for you after you attacked the priesthood only to find its in the Bible

asuustrike2009:
You're joking. Which church? How day you know about it?

the Catholic church, which other?