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omojeesu:
The books the Catholic Church compiled.

the new testament for starters

analice107:
May be what you wanted to say was 'Why use the books she wrote (?)

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha. Isn't it funny? The Catholic Church compiled the Bible so shd adhere to it more than anyone else, but it turns out, they trashed everything about it and stuck to the Roman pagan traditions.

Hello, pulllissssssss.

no why question was on point... why have you not compiled your own new testament since you claim the one you are using was compiled by another religion?

johnw74:
for those other than rcc who are reading here

Joh 6:55  For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 


John 6:53-55
In these verses Jesus repeats what he had in substance said before.
Except ye eat the flesh ... - He did not mean that this should be understood literally, for it was never done, and it is absurd to suppose that it was intended to be so understood. Nothing can possibly be more absurd than to suppose that when he instituted the Supper, and gave the bread and wine to his disciples, they literally ate his flesh and drank his blood. Who can believe this? There he stood, a living man - his body yet alive, his blood flowing in his veins; and how can it be believed that this body was eaten and this blood drunk? Yet this absurdity must be held by those who hold that the bread and wine at the communion are “changed into the body, blood, and divinity of our Lord.” So it is taught in the decrees of the Council of Trent; and to such absurdities are men driven when they depart from the simple meaning of the Scriptures and from common sense. It may be added that if the bread and wine used in the Lord’s Supper were not changed into his literal body and blood when it was first instituted, they have never been since.
The Lord Jesus would institute it just as he meant it should be observed, and there is nothing now in that ordinance which there was not when the Saviour first appointed it. His body was offered on the cross, and was raised up from the dead and received into heaven. Besides, there is no evidence that he had any reference in this passage to the Lord’s Supper. That was not yet instituted, and in that there was no literal eating of his flesh and drinking of his blood. The plain meaning of the passage is, that by his bloody death - his body and his blood offered in sacrifice for sin - he would procure pardon and life for man; that they who partook of that, or had an interest in that, should obtain eternal life. He uses the figure of eating and drinking because that was the subject of discourse; because the Jews prided themselves much on the fact that their fathers had eaten manna; and because, as he had said that he was the bread of life, it was natural and easy, especially in the language which he used, to carry out the figure, and say that bread must be eaten in order to be of any avail in supporting and saving men. To eat and to drink, among the Jews, was also expressive of sharing in or partaking of the privileges of friendship. The happiness of heaven and all spiritual blessings are often represented under this image, Mat_8:11; Mat_26:29; Luk_14:15, etc.

Joh_6:55

Is meat indeed - Is truly food. My doctrine is truly that which will give life to the soul.

Albert Barnes

haha

Albert Barnes and Johnw74 has shown they can't discern the body of Christ.

1 cor 11:29
For those who eat and drink without discerning the
body of Christ eat and drink judgment on
themselves.

johnw74:
Luke. 22:19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me."
uben you believe Jesus gave His literal flesh to the apostles to eat ^^^ then you must believe that God is a literal rock vvv
2Sa_22:32  For who is God, save the LORD? and who is a rock, save our God?

did Jesus take a rock and say this rock is me?

because Jesus did take bread and say this is my body.

johnw74:
Luke. 22:19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me."
uben you believe Jesus gave His literal flesh to the apostles to eat ^^^ then you must believe that God is a literal rock vvv
2Sa_22:32  For who is God, save the LORD? and who is a rock, save our God?

did Jesus take a rock and say this rock is me?

because Jesus did take bread and say this is my body.

analice107:
Guy, i'm not here to exchange words with you, You are not talking to someone who was born Pentecostal. I was deep into Catholicism, so i know what i'm talking about. I was in that same position you are right now defending the paganistic practices of Catholicism until Christ by Himself drew me out.

Keep projecting idol worship, you shall stand to defend it before the White Throne Judgement.

yeah yeah, you were an ignorant Catholic, we established that in the other thread where you gave your king Henry remix, how you left the historic Christian faith and joined 20th century heretics

johnw74:
uben, more lies of yours and satans church exposed:

THE PRIESTHOOD

The Roman Catholic Church teaches that Jesus Christ ordained the twelve apostles to the priesthood at the Last Supper and that the powers of the priesthood were handed down during the past two thousand years. This teaching is clearly contrary to the Word of God.

In the Old Testament the work of Christ was prefigured under the three offices of prophet, priest and king. The nation of Israel had each office. With the coming of Christ each of these offices found its fulfillment in Him. Thus in the New Testament there is no need for a human sacrificing priesthood.
John 19:30. It is consummated.
I Timothy 2:5. There is one God, and one Mediator...Christ Jesus.
Hebrews 7:24. Because he continues forever, has an everlasting (non-transferable, intransmissible) priesthood.
Hebrews 7:25. He lives always to make intercession.
Hebrews 7:27. He does not need to offer sacrifices daily.
Hebrews 9:12. Having obtained eternal redemption.
Hebrews 10:10. We have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
I Corinthians 12:28. God indeed has placed some in the Church, first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly teachers...(no mention of sacramental priests).
Ephesians 4:11. He Himself gave some men as apostles, and some as prophets, others again as evangelists, and others as pastors and teachers...(again no mention of sacramental priests).
I Peter 5:1-3. I, your fellow-presbyter and witness...(Nothing about being a priest).

The office of priest is not the same as minister. The concept of a mediating, sacrificing priesthood originated and developed under Cyprian, the theological authority in the West until the time of Augustine, and was part of the merger of paganism with Christianity. Nowhere in the Scriptures will on find evidence of a mediating, sacrificing priesthood after Christ.

the concept of a new testament ministerial priesthood come from Paul


“On some points I have written to you very
boldly … because of the grace given me by
God to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the
Gentiles in the priestly service of the gospel
of God so that the offering of the Gentiles
may be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy
Spirit” (vv. 15-16).
- Romans 15:14-16


read your Bible sometimes

johnw74:
i see, you want to twist God's word,
tell me who was the mother of Jesus brothers James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas, and Jesus sisters?

Mat 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
Mat 13:56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

I had earlier asked you to provide the verse that calls them sons of Mary.

provide them or admit such verse don't exist, then I'll be happy to provide you with their mum.

philfearon:
See you... I have a girlfriend who is a girlfriend to one even. And i knew already even before i met her!!

yeah yeah, hearsay and rumours

blueAgent:
Your Naivety is epic. that's while you are easily decieved.

We have been conditioned to scoff at the
idea of conspiracy. The idea that people
might plan to harm others without first
warning their intended victims is too
preposterous to consider!

nah, because I have researched the truth it is easy to spot the silly conspiracies.


you assume that God left his church and gave it over to be overrun by heretics.

that isn't just conspiracy theory it is heresy

ScienceWatch:
Marriage is a spiritual covenant. The marriage covenant/vows can be sourced from only two spiritual forces - Dark or light.

When A man decides to engage in a marriage covenant from the light, he will never take a baby with him to the alter. God is light !

At puberty a baby changes to the intermediary stage/teenager, to prepare to become a woman which takes another 7 to 10 yrs.

you want to hide a historical fact by talking jargon.

oya continue

OLAADEGBU:
And who told you that Cephas was a Pope?

all early Christian writers.
the pope is simply bishop of Rome

femi4:
didn't you see he went up from water

Check the meaning of the word baptizo, its not English BTW

When the apostles wrote the New Testament in Greek, they used the following words:

(I) cheo meaning "to pour"

(2) rantidzo meaningz "to sprinkle"

(3) baptizo meaning "to immerse" or "to dip.

it is used to refer to sprinkling of a ritual nature ablutions etc heb 9:10

omojeesu:
Which ones?

explain your question

Beey:
I didn't change anything.My stand was clear.In your teachings you believe that the good deeds you do here will save you.But the Bible is clear it's salvation through faith which involves confessing that Jesus is Lord.Shall good deeds be rewarded? Absolutely.But they solely can't earn you salvation.

if you didn't change anything, oya show me where the Bible says salvation is by faith ALONE.

femi4:
Don't drag me back, check my previous post and get enlightened.

The thief on the cross beside Jesus wasn't baptized

The adulterous woman was not baptized

The Samaritan woman....and many more

you forgot that the baptism command was given after the resurrection matt 28.


besides who told you those people were not baptised, you are making an argument from silence

femi4:
That was holy ghost baptism with fire. He started his ministry with Power and covered more ground. He couldn't have achieved that via water baptism

sorry the Bible doesn't say this... you assumed it and read it unto the passage.

femi4:
Baptism of the holy ghost brings holy spirit with evidence of speaking in tongue.

The holy spirit wasn't in action until Jesus left. John the Baptist, the chief baptizer had no encounter with the holy spirit.

Guy, you have a looooooong way to go

Jesus was the chief baptiser he said

Then Jesus came to them and
said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has
been given to me. Therefore go and make
disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the
name of the Father and of the Son and of the
Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey
everything I have commanded you.

asuustrike2009:
If your doctrine isn't Bible base then you're not Christians. Most religious faith have a guide to their doctrines. E.g Islam has theirs from the Koran, Christian Bible. There must be a basis to draw your doctrine

who told you doctrine must be drawn from the Bible? that is a doctrine of men.


for 300 years there was no new testament yet the church existed and taught the gospel... it was years later that the church later compiled the Bible.


Christianity is not Islam, it is not a religion of a book but a religion of a person Jesus Christ, when Jesus was leaving he gave us his spirit and his Church not a book.

omojeesu:
WHO COMPILED THE BOOKS.

the Catholic church

Kenerd:
Bruh, I am an ex Catholic and never have I seen the 2nd set of ten commandments being read in church.
PS: The church cycles through the Bible every 3 years not annually.
Year A, B, C.
Edit: I forgot to add, 3 years for Sunday cycles and 2 years( Year A, B) if you attend Mass everyday.

you must either be a liar or partially deaf...how a Catholic will claim he never heard a commandment. what a lie?

femi4:
Show me scriptures where Paul got baptized by water

Don't get me wrong, water baptism is a good thing but its not a ticket to salvation but rather an evidence of salvation

no water baptism is the covenantal action of salvation

Or don’t you know that all of us
who were baptized into Christ Jesus were
baptized into his death? We were therefore
buried with him through baptism into death in
order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead
through the glory of the Father, we too may live a
new life.
For if we have been united with him in a death
like his, we will certainly also be united with him in
a resurrection like his. For we know that our old
self was crucified with him so that the body ruled
by sin might be done away with, that we should
no longer be slaves to sin— because anyone
who has died has been set free from sin.
Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we
will also live with him. For we know that since
Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die
again; death no longer has mastery over him.
The death he died, he died to sin once for all;
but the life he lives, he lives to God.

femi4:
lol, you quoted Act 9:18 but you couldn't type it out. I smell foul play

2. Baptism doesn't wash away sins, its a symbolic representation after confession of sin and believe in Jesus

3. Jesus did it to fulfil all righteousness. If it was compulsory, how come all his disciples didn't go through the process

4. Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized ......not the other way round.

ROM 10:9-10
9If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved

in baptism sins are washed away.
act 2:37, 38 and we receive the spirit.

in baptism we as saved as an appeal to God for a good conscience 1 pt


in baptism we identify with the death of Christ and freed from the bondage of the law.

Or don’t you know that all of us
who were baptized into Christ Jesus were
baptized into his death? We were therefore
buried with him through baptism into death in
order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead
through the glory of the Father, we too may live a
new life.
For if we have been united with him in a death
like his, we will certainly also be united with him in
a resurrection like his. For we know that our old
self was crucified with him so that the body ruled
by sin might be done away with, that we should
no longer be slaves to sin— because anyone
who has died has been set free from sin.
Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we
will also live with him. For we know that since
Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die
again; death no longer has mastery over him.
The death he died, he died to sin once for all;
but the life he lives, he lives to God.

femi4:
You don't ask to be baptized, you asked to be save. Confession is made unto Salvation. Water baptism doesn't save you from sins. Its a symbolic representation of being death to sin and resurrected in Jesus Christ. Jesus did it to fulfill all righteousness.

If that person dies without being baptized, he's still make heaven provided that he's saved

That's why the apostle focus more on baptism of the holy ghost

actually to be saved you should be baptised.


Acts 2


37 Now when they heard this, they were acutely
distressed and said to Peter and the rest of the
apostles, “What should we do, brothers?” 38 Peter
said to them, “Repent, and each one of you be
baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the
forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the
gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for
you and your children, and for all who are far
away, as many as the Lord our God will call to
himself.”

analice107:
You are quick to call people names even when you are in the wrong.

What in Catholicism is Biblical? Is it the mentioning of the name Jesus or what? Olumba mentions Jesus, but we know it's a charade.

Catholicism is a distinct religion and not Christianity.

since Catholicism is a religion on its own,why then do you use the books she compiled and called new testament, why not compile your own new testament?

ema2017:
In my opinion there is nothing really wrong with catholic church. The bone of contention were people feel that catholic practice is not scriptural is the praying to God through mary, Mary is the earthly mother of Jesus and Jesus has never during his earthly ministry refer that we should pray through his mother mary. Secondly it is idolatory to pray to a statue.

do you know anyone who told you he prays through a statue?

Beey:
Faith in Jesus & repentance of sin.Rom.10:9-10 "

I thought you said Faith alone now you change mouth when you find alone to be unbiblical.

johnw74:
once again uben, i'm not a teacher of satans church,
you believe that Jesus gave the apostles His real flesh to eat and his real blood to drink,
which shows your intelligence, i mean lack of it

and because you cannot understand the figurative meaning to what Jesus said
you falsely accuse
but that's satans church for you

John 6:55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real
drink. Luke. 22:19 And he took bread, gave thanks and
broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body
given for you; do this in remembrance of me." it is a
pity you refuse to agree with the word of God simply
because you adopted traditions of men made up by
John Calvin in the 16 th century see what God says
about people like you mat 15:8 … 7 You hypocrites!
Isaiah prophesied correctly about you: 8 ‘These people
honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from
Me. 9 They worship Me in vain; they teach as doctrine
the precepts of men.

KingSango:
European history is a conspiracy theory and when its being shared, the one sharing it is lying. Ase, Love Sango

which encyclopedia gave you this history.... none, it is conspiracy theory

OLAADEGBU:
Why lie? How many popes you have have at a time? There is nothing like popes and nuns in the Bible, it's foreign.

there is no lie.


you can only have one cephas

Beey:
Yes of course.I said my issue with Catholicism is the doctrine where supposedly good works will affect one's judgment before God.

2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat
of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed
for his deeds in the body, according to what he
has done, whether good or bad.
Verse Concepts
1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore do not go on passing judgment before
the time, but wait until the Lord comes who will
both bring to light the things hidden in the
darkness and disclose the motives of men's
hearts; and then each man's praise will come to
him from God.
Verse Concepts
1 Peter 1:17
If you address as Father the One who impartially
judges according to each one's work, conduct
yourselves in fear during the time of your stay
on earth;
Verse Concepts
Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, the great and the small,
standing before the throne, and books were
opened; and another book was opened, which is
the book of life; and the dead were judged from
the things which were written in the books,
according to their deeds.
Verse Concepts
Psalm 62:12
And lovingkindness is Yours, O Lord, For You
recompense a man according to his work.
Verse Concepts
Proverbs 24:12
If you say, "See, we did not know this," Does He
not consider it who weighs the hearts? And
does He not know it who keeps your soul? And
will He not render to man according to his
work?
Verse Concepts
Colossians 3:25
For he who does wrong will receive the
consequences of the wrong which he has done,
and that without partiality.
Verse Concepts

asuustrike2009:
Why would I runaway? Are there demons there

you are the one who said you never pray in those rooms, I should be asking you that question