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Thanks lanrexlan and Albaqir. It is surely an honor completing the numbered days fasting and i wouldn't mind celebrating Eid. Only that i do not attach religious significance to Eid.

Just go to the website, you get the guides directly from there. The site has a forum where you may ask your questions.

I wish you the best. I am new to online jobs as well but i generally prefer writing and marketing ebooks on online shops to writing for customers on sites like freelance.com

My Methodology

Your method is lazy man methodology. If you want to be a real scholar of Islam, you have a lot to do. You do not take any verse of Quran and hadith in isolation. I wish I can explain better on my own terms and relate it modern practices. I believe you misunderstood the point raised in these ahadith. A sound mnd should not have problem with this though.

I address Empiree 's allegation against me quoted above, regarding an earlier hadith i cited. This allegation owe to his misunderstanding of my methodology or longing to have me see things from his lens. For i cited 2 hadith confirming men and women performed ablution together, yet he accuses me of concluding from only 1 hadith. On the flip-side, his own methodology here is flawed as he ignores the language, grammar & context of the hadith i cited. And in bid to reconcile it with his doctrines, he cite another hadith about Muhammad and his wife doing ghusl and ablution from one vessel. Empireé thinks this hadith best explain the hadith i originally cited, unaware that the two hadith have only one thing in commom; ablution, and that 's all. The hadith i cited talk of men and women doing ablution together, while the one he cited concern the permissibility of doing ablution with remnant of water used for ghusl.

Another problem is his disregard for grammar, interpreting 'nisauu' in the hadith i cited as 'their women/wives'. No need further stressing, i already covered it.

In the end he cites Qur'an 33:59, poorly interpreting the verse. Forgeting that depending on size or kind, a cloak may not conceal the hair or feet. And besides the recommendation of the cloak according to the verse is to ward off harrassment and thus the verse is only applicable where women fear or risk harrassment. The cloak isn't a convienent or practical outfit for most day to day activities and so cannot be obligatory for Muslim women.

Absolutely, Albaqir. Thanks for the confirmatory remarks. Sunni scholars contradict themselves in claiming night begins with sunset. For instance, the phrase; "near/approach of/towards the night" in Qur'an 11:114 is interpreted as the time for Isha salat by these scholars.

Qur'an 11:114
And establish regular prayers at the two ends of the day and at the approaches of the night

So, sunni Muslims do not say Isha till dark, much later than sunset. This is when they generally understand as 'towards or approach of the night', not even necessarily the night. How then could they break their fast earlier than this, which from their understanding of Isha isn't night

These are clear discrepancies anyone should understand from orthodox Sunni thought. Yet we have sunnis attributing these to Muhammad, implying that Muhammad for all his life either broke his fast at the wrong time or observed Isha salat at the wrong time.

Peace!

Hold the fast beyond Sunset, Delay till Night

By now, many of you must have heard the oft-repeated hadith that commands breaking the fast as soon as sunset, even before the salat. This has been my view until recently. If you have read broader, you must have heard the position that rather than hastening to break fast at sunset, fast should be delayed into the night. I shall explain why i now adopt the latter view, holding my fast till full Night.

Precisely, the Qur'an spelt "night"(layl) as the point of completing the fast.

Qur'an 2:187
...... and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast Till the night(layl) appears...

Had the word; "ghurub"(sunset) been used in the verse instead of layl, undoubtedly the traditional practice of breaking the fast at sunset would have been unquestionable.

Traditional Muslims support their practice by insisting that sunset marks the end of the day and start of the night; an erroneous layman view as correct as claiming sunrise mark the end of night & beginning of day.

From the Qur'anic perspective, the day reveals the sun and its brightness while the night conceal the sun and its brightness.

Qur'an 91:1-4
By the sun and its brightness.
And the moon when it follows it.
And the day when it displays it.
And by the night as it enshrouds it

Qur'an 92:1-2
By the night when it enshrouds
And the day when it appears

By sunset when traditional Muslims break their fast, the day hasn't ended as there is still light from sun in the sky even though the sun is not visible. Till this light vanishes completely and the sky becomes black, the sun is not fully enshrouded, the day isn't complete and the night hasn't begun.

That brief period after sunset till all light disappear from the sky is part of day as the period between dawn and sunrise. It is twilight and the Qur'an distinguish it from night;

Qur'an 84:16-17
But nay, I swear by the twilight
And the night and what it enshrouds

So, hold your fast beyond sunset, delay till night. Breaking your fast by sunset is an irreversible means of screwing up your fast. It is like giving up at the final step of a backbreaking task after expending so much. You have everything to lose.

9jaforlife:
If general announcements of lost items weren't permitted (assuming it's true), I'm sure there would be alternative means through which such lost items could be returned to the owner, if found.

Eg, keeping all lost items at a particular location known by everyone for this purpose around the mosque, where anyone who lost an item could check for it.

What if the item was stolen from the mosque while the owner prayed? Supposing for some reason someone from the Mosque finds the item near the mosque but did not take it to the mosque?

If the Prophet, PBUH, prohibited announcements unrelated to religious purposes, it would be for reasons of not interrupting worship, NOT out of wickedness as you portray here!

How does making announcement before a congregation after concluding salat "interrupt worship", must making such announcement "interrupt worship", and does it nullify worship? It all depends on how such an announcement is done. Even walking out of the mosque or reciting Qur'an after salat can interrupt others still performing their salat.

Besides, why the curse; "May you never find it"? That is where Muhammad is portrayed deprave. Why not just politely stop the announcer? Why curse?

None of the authentic hadiths portrayed the Prophet, PBUH as a criminal. Only propagandas spread by two timers like you!

To mention a few;

Paedophilia
Sunan Abi Dawud » Book of Marriage » Hadith 2116

Narrated 'Aishah:
The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) married me when I was seven years old. The narrator Sulaiman said: or Six years. He had intercourse with me when I was nine years old.


Religious compulsion/Killling Apostates:
Sunan an-Nasa'i » The Book of Fighting » Hadith 4065

It was narrated from 'Ikrimah:
"Some people apostatized after accepting Islam, and 'Ali burned them with fire. Ibn 'Abbas said: 'If it had been me, I would not have burned them; the Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'No one should be punished with the punishment of Allah.' If it had been me, I would have killed them; the Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him.'"


Aggression, Violence and Terrorism
Sahih Bukhari, Book of Salat, Number 387 :

Narrated by Anas bin Malik

Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah."

Narrated Maimun ibn Siyah that he asked Anas bin Malik, "O Abu Hamza! What makes the life and property of a person sacred?" He replied, "Whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah', faces our Qibla during the prayers, prays like us and eats our slaughtered animal, then he is a Muslim, and has got the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have".

Concubines
Sunan an-Nasa'i » The Book of The At-Tatbiq (Clasping One's Hands Together) » Hadith 1125

'Aishah said:
"I noticed that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) was missing from bed, so I started to look for him, and I thought that he had gone to one of his concubines. Then my hand fell on him when he was prostrating and saying: "Allahummaghfirli ma asrartu wa ma a'lant (O Allah, forgive me for what (sin) I have concealed and what I have done openly).'"


Overindulgence
Sahih al-Bukhari » Book of Bathing » Hadith 268

Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet (ﷺ) used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet (ﷺ) the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet (ﷺ) was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa`id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven).


Women degraded
Sunan Ibn Majah » The Chapters of Establishing the Prayer and the Sunnah Regarding Them
It was narrated from ‘Abdullah bin Samit from Abu Dharr, that the Prophet (ﷺ) said:
“The prayer is severed by a woman, a donkey, and a black dog, if there is not something like the handle of a saddle in front of a man.” I (‘Abdullah) said: “What is wrong with a black dog and not a red one?” He (Abu Dharr) said: ‘I asked the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) the same question, and he said: “The black dog is a Shaitan (satan).”

Slave Trade
Sahih Muslim 10:3901

Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported: There came a slave and pledg- ed allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves....

In my days as a traditional Muslim, i would go to mosque now and then and once in a while, there were announcement of lost items like wristwatches, ID cards, purse or phones. What if i told you that traditional Islam not only forbid such announcements but curses the announcers?

Sunan Ibn Majah>>Book on Mosque and congregation
It was narrated from Abu 'Abdullah, the freed slave of Shaddad bin Had that:
He heard Abu Hurairah say: "I heard the Messenger of Allah say: 'Whoever hears a man making a lost-and-found announcement in the mosque, let him say: "May Allah not return it to you!" For the mosques were not built for that.'"

Hence, if you lose your property quarter kilometers or even nearer to the mosque, you cannot call on the attention to the residents gathered in the mosque who by chance may have stumbled over your property before coming for the prayer. And if you dare announce it, be ready to endure curses as this Hadith has permitted.

The Hadith is a very convoluted corpus of traditions. In one narration, Muhammad is merciful enough not to be offended by a man urinating on the wall of his mosque yet this same merciful man curses another without restraint for just announcing a lost item or calling on the owner.

Sunan Ibn Majah>>Book on Mosque and congregation
It was narrated from Sulaiman bin Burdah that his father said:
"The Messenger of Allah performed prayer, then a man said: 'Who was looking for the red camel?' The Prophet said: 'May you not find it! The mosques were built for that for which they were built.'"

Despite all the reverence and consecration, traditional Islam doesn't portray Muhammad as an exemplary character. Depending on the Hadith you cherry pick, Muhammad 's character vary on a broad spectrum of saint to criminal. The traditional Christian portrayal of Jesus despite being also fabricated is far more exemplary than traditional Islamic portrayal of Muhammad.

Sunan Abu Dawud>>Book of Purification>>Hadith 80

Narrated 'Abd Allaah b. 'Umar:
We and women during the life-time of the Apostle of Allaah ( sal Allaahu alayhi wa sallam) used to perform ablution from one vessel. We all put our hands in it.

Again, here is another narration. Notice that it starts with "We and women(nisaa)" not "We and our women/wives(nisaana)". If i say "we and our women sat together", that mean we sat with our women, our wives and not just any woman. But if i say, "We and women sat together", it could mean we sat with just women generally, not limited to our women or wives.

Read my signature again, i don't dream of selling any idea to anyone. My aim is to present the idea. Whether you reject it or not doesn't change anything.

Empiree: Can I sit next to your beautiful darling wife, your sweet heart and make wudu in the same vessel?. I will sit very close to her and exchange glances back n fourth while she revealed certain parts of her body. Are you okay with it?

The premise of the question is wrong? What part of a woman 's body does she uncover during ablution. Hair, hand, feet, don't you see all these parts even in the street, class or market? Besides, must men and women sit so close in order to perform ablution together?

Husbands and wives or men and their wives is far different from "men and women" clearly used in the Hadith i posted. The word "their" was inserted by the translators. It doesn't occur in the Arabic text.
In those hadith where Muhammad performed ablution with his wives, "his wives or his women" is clear in the Arabic text.

kazlaw2000:
Hasty conclusion.

Alright, can you give a proper conclusion?

A Crucial Hadith Never Told

Visit any nearby traditional mosque today, for performing ablution, there are two separate sections barred from each other, one for men and the other for women. Ask the mosque committee of the reason for this gender segregation and you will get no less than the following two responses.

They will reply that;
a. "Islam forbid mingling of men and women, with the mosque being a center of worship, this prohibition must be even more seriously observed".
b. "Islam stipulates a woman 's hair and feet must be covered in presence of non-related men, performing ablution requires the uncovering of these body parts and thus women must be secluded from men while performing ablution to prevent men from sighting their hair or feet."

So this mean Muhammad and his followers did keep the same tradition of secluding women from men during ablution in the mosque, right? Well, from the Hadith am about to present before you the answer is flat "No".

Malik Muwatta>>Book of Purity>>Hadith 15
Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi that Abdullah ibn Umar used to say that men and women used to do wudu together in the time of the Messenger of Allah.

This short hadith lay to waste the doctrine of gender segregation or hijab in mainstream Islam. The implications of it are;
a. Unlike we find today in traditional mosques, Muhammad neither segregated men from women during ablution nor rule gender segregation.
b. Muslim women in the time of Muhammad did uncover their hair and feet before non-related men since they performed ablution together with these men, hence the doctrine of hijab wasn't recognized by these women or Muhammad.

Funny enough, traditional Hadith translators often chose to translate the word "Nessa"(women) in this Hadith as wives, the insincere motive behind this is clear. Three months ago, i presented a paper on face-Veil in this section strongly criticizing and debunking the doctrine of hijab. As expected, a segment of conservative Muslims here didn't find my work palatable and resorted to the most vile verbal assault, quietly deleting my points or argument. You may read my full Paper.

I also want to add that those same conservative Muslims condemned Buhari 's daughter as well for doning a kerchief instead of hijab during the inaugration ceremony in May.

The point is that mainstream Islamic narratives does support the conservative discourse and that is why in this day and age, the Muslim community cannot come to term with matters like inter gender platonic friendship, board games like chess, or drawing and painting animals. Besides, despite contrary claims by most Muslims, there is a hierachy in traditional Islam that decide what is haram or halal and as long as most Muslims submit to their dictate, the conservatives will always have a word.

PassingShot:
Salaam!

I don't see where and how I confronted him.

Are you saying you do not accept rulings based on Sunnah of the Prophet (SAW)?

To begin with, i don't even consider them as sunnah of the Prophet. So i don't buy them.

PassingShot:
There is no dispute among the scholars concerning the fact that vomiting deliberately is one of the things that invalidate the fast, but if a person cannot help vomiting, that does not break his fast. This was mentioned by al-Khattaabi and Ibn al-Mundhir. See al-Mughni, 4/368.

The evidence for that from the Sunnah is the report narrated by al-Tirmidhi (720) from Abu Hurayrah, that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever cannot help vomiting does not have to make up the fast, but whoever makes himself vomit deliberately, let him make it up.” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

Salaam!

It would have been better if you just directly answered the OP instead of confronting me. For several theological, historical and logical reasons i do not take rulings from other than Qur'an. And i don't believe scholars are 100% perfect to warrant taqlid(imitation).

PassingShot:
It's not about your opinion but about Shari'ah. Deliberately induced vomit breaks your fast.

I challenge you for a proof from the Book of God. If you cannot do this, then i urge you not to fall among those who do not judge with what God has revealed.

blacq2009:
Thanks. So the penalty is s/he will make up for that day?

Absolutely.

slyfox5555:
Quran 9:29 = The same Quran commands that muslims should fight others that do not believe in Islam and compel them to pay the Jizya. This is not from the Hadith, this is from the Quran

You know, i 've been through this before;

The Puzzled 's Guide To Jizya

What do you mean by mainstream Islam? Is it is a different Islam than what you have in the Quran?

My first reply to you and the above link answers the question.

slyfox5555:
The question should be - what does Islamic jurisprudence teach on this subject.

As the Qur'an 2:256 clearly states, there isn't compulsion in matters of faith. Hence punishing people for not fasting, not paying zakat, not wearing hijab or for drinking is compelling them in matters of faith, a gross violation of Qur'an.

But our mainstream Muslim community supplement, expand, helm and annull Qur'anic law with their traditions(Hadith) and teachings of their 'sages'(Fiqh). The Hadith and Fiqh rules death for Muslims who refuse Salat and zakat, with fasting generally attached as much significance as salat and zakat, you can't help but admit penalizing Muslims who refuse to fast is at least justifiable under mainstream Islam.

And this boil down to the root of the problem; mainstream Islam. See, ISIS isn't making the rules here, but merely keeping with what Muslims made up in the past.

I believe China has gone too far and must be stopped, this isn't the first time. Any attempt by government to regulate individual private issues is inexcusable.

On the flipside, i believe Muslims need to look in the mirror and see the level of hypocrisy in their world. During Ramadan, UAE, Iran and a number of Muslim states forbid public eating even for non-Muslims. I have never heard any Muslim complain or question this.

This isn't news, even the Muslim states like Morroco, Iran and Egypt have been reported to flog persons for breaking their fast. Why treat ISIS case differently when they do the same? I find it unjust. My friend, ISIS is the last of our concern since the so called moderate Muslim states are doing the same.

Masturbation nullify the fast because it is more like sex which is forbideen during fasting. On the other hand, I partly disagree with Ibrahim 's response above. Deliberate vomiting does not violate the fast because it can't be described as ingestion prohibited during Ramadan.

We could ask the same question about the women and the situation is no any better than for men. In truth, finding an upright man or woman today is difficult. The reason being that the society is largely unfair to them.

It can even be more frustrating for you as a virgin if you are not into soccer. Most times, Nigerian men discuss no more than women, sex and soccer when hanging out.

Thanks OP, there are two kinds of Muslims responsible for this injustice and discrimination.

1. The sensitive and insecure Muslims who cannot deal with criticism and easily hurt by common censure or your dissaproving remarks about them

2. The egoistic, militant and supremacist Muslim who would resort to the cheapest and dirtiest means(unwarranted bans and deleting of posts) to enforce their views while denying others a fair chance to present theirs.

If you seek a more tolerant or less discriminatory Muslim forum that recognizes religious pluralism, endure censure from non-Muslims and wont force you to make any formal testimony before posting, i 'd recommend; Free-Minds Forum

horllamy:
Just reinstall ur OS

10ks, managed to fix it before i could try that. But i have another trouble; d sound from my laptop when using headphone is too low. With speaker it works fine.

A sitting room is the central room in the house for relaxing, entertainment and receiving guests or visitor. A Parlour on the other hand has a broader meaning and is not limited to a home, e.g beer parlour. A parlour refer to a center, usually an enclosure used for relaxation, dinning, drinking or partying. While a sitting room is usually a room in a whole flat or building, a parlour can stand out distinctly as building on it own.

As you said, she admit to the relationship but seem unrepentance. If you cannot help the infidelity, there isn, t any much you could do beyond divorce. But have you reported to her parent or family, this is where you ought to start from. She could be trapped and need a little push to break free of the old man 's spell

I for one do not see any reason to be making this front page or even stressing it. With so many deviant anti/extra Qur'anic teachings hawked as Islam by so called Muslim clergy, one may be rotting in disbelief whilst under false impresion that he is in Islam.

Peace!

How about a third option; Find another suitor. Seriously, i don't understand why anyone would get stuck in this kind of situation.

Hello, thanks for providing us this avenue.

I have a problem with Mozila browser. Anytime i enter an address or click to open a link, i get this message; 500 Internal Privoxy Error.

Please, i cant browse on PC due to this. I 'll be grateful to learn the cause of this problem and the fix. Thanks in advance.

Salaam to the moderators and agents of this section.

I know we do not get along, but i never thought it was this bad. Before i began posting in this section, i learnt from a pal who used to be regular here few years ago that moderating here is very dishonest, bias and regarding Islamic teachings, most folks here share the "my way or the highway" mindset and suck at civil dialogue. I was willing to take my chances regardless.

2 months back, i published a work; https://www.nairaland.com/2209087/face-veil-why-ban, in Religion section but this was transferred here to my dismay. But this wasn't even the problem. After breaking off here for a while, i clicked opened my thread today, and what the hell do i see? A mod deleted several of my vital points, wasting away the sweat of my labour!

How could one ever respect you if you if one of you isn't sincere. Yes, it is insincere and criminal of anyone to delete polite, academic posts without the awareness of the poster, simply because he disagrees with point or argument in the post. I worked all week and wanted to present detailed proofs rather than quoting just verses. I delved into context and linguistics and talked of how both clearly oppose the mainstream understanding of the issues.

And it was all formal and civil, right? Till some mod back stabbed me. One of you stick a knife in my back just after returning from a work that i had given everything. You abused your authority to screw me over. But you screwed yourself and reputation several times more. I sick and tired of all these.