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n3xt:
Is it time to share the screenshot of our convo now?

At first he said he wanted to confirm the materials were on his site.

Second, he wants to see the installation completed.

Thirdly he wanted to visit the site to see that the job has been done and was expecting picture from the roof supplier when his office is just few distance away from the site.

What else do we need to do sir?

It's almost 48 hours indeed, yet Cribking1 and Mountmoriah remain silent on this issue. Don't you get the message? One decided to speak rather than act and the other acting rather than speaking.
No-one should be forced to apologise to anyone. At the same time, we should not cry more than the "bereaved". Let's treat this matter as closed until those involved bring it up again. Am sure we are all very busy.

Guv'nor,
what's the planned height of the roof of this building?

Cribking1:
Good morning all,

I want to thank everyone who has helped in solving this issue. Special thanks to Kobocity for his swift response and professionalism . Mountmoriah has delivered the roofing materials and installers are currently installing them. I was very nervous because of my previous Fraud experience on this platform. Also, the gap of communication he created exacerbated the whole situation. Sure, there was sinister motive behind his silence but thank God I acted fast. My advice to anyone dealing with contractors on this platform or anywhere else is to be on your toes....

Both home owners and contractors should be on their feet. In my opinion, it was alright to show your disapproval and displeasure of his handing of your job with your updates here. But it's unacceptable to label someone who could have been dead for goodness sake a fraudster in seconds. I will feel same way especially in Diaspora, but just little more patience......
The storm is now calm. I suggest you tender an apology to him for the name calling while still letting him know how pissed you are with the way it all transpired. The word "FRAUDSTER" isn't as light as you may think. It can kill.

Am afraid this thread is going down, and it's notoriety for infiltrations by nairaland vagabonds increasing tremendously. Noteworthy too, is that those with the real deals and honesty are staying away from the forum while others spend hours daily on this thread doing only what God knows! Shouldn't you be at your sites or offices with clients and workers if you're as good and busy as you make me think?
Baseless accusations are now countered with baseless explanations and everything seems ok.
Skimanski's issue has been swept under the carpet and it's business as usual. A lawyer resurfaces years later, to issue a 24 hour deadline last week and now seem off radar and everything is fine. Mr Z gets his house successfully built by Engr. A and recommends him while vouching for him. But Mr B is screwed by same Engr A weeks later on, or vice-versa. Soon touts and scammers would storm here in disguise and there's nothing anyone can do about it. My advice is rather than go through every lies here from house owners, builders, contractors etc, build a personal relationship with anyone of your choice, I bet the rest will be history. I beg i have elephantiasis of the balls!!

luvablesam:
Hi everyone,
I am currently carrying out a building project and I am torn between using pillars in front or using blocks to form pillars.

I need suggestions please

I'll advice you do both. I did double square pillars on each side, with 16mm right from foundation to parapet, cast and formed with 5 inches non hollow blocks. I can sleep with two eyes closed regarding strength.

lawyer:
I called the person an Idiot because he said I am intervening now because the complainant is Yoruba and I am Yoruba hence the reason for interfering to call out Skimanski. If the person was intelligent and not an idiot, he would have weighed his words to criticize me without exposing his small-minded attitude towards Tribalism and trying to turn this forum to a tribal discussion. I stated my reasons why I was away and nobody has called me or tagged me about any intending fraud. Why would someone one that does not know me all of a sudden believe I am being selective to sort an issue because he thinks I am Yoruba and I only come out to sort issues for Yoruba Nairaland users alone? Is that person not an Idiot? I am a very quiet and patient person. I take criticism on the chin and hope to do better when someone calls me out. I agree I have to do more on this thread and monitor fraudsters more aggressively and I take all your advice to heart but anyone who acts like a tribalist on this Forum and tries to divide us, I would wrestle in the mud with that person because such a person has no room in his heart to change his attitude as a tribalist and troll and I won't apologize for going so low with such a person.

Your points are clearly understood. Am proudly Igbo, but I speak Yoruba and Hausa fluently than my language. Therefore, I won't bath an eyelid if anyone drags me into tribalism. Suit yourself, but don't go calling a Psychiatric patient an idiot one day.

lawyer:
Firstly for someone to say I have been here for 9 years and done nothing is very untrue. Property forum has the highest number of posters opening new threads everyday advertising their properties for sale and my job description is to monitor those who Spam threads and people who abuse the rules of the forum. My job does not entail sorting out personal feuds, identifying scam artists or calling out fraudsters. Nairaland is a forum. If you are scammed, you have to take recourse legally. There is no provision for a special court or better business bureau to handle fraudulent cases rather everyone is repeatedly warned to know who they are dealing with and the Caveat Emptor Rule is placed everywhere.

I am not the police. I am not a Judge. I am not an Arbitrator. I only can help out settling disputes peacefully if I am invited to come in. If no one calls out a fraudster here personally and tags me, how am I to know that someone has been duped? When they were arranging the business I was not there. When they were paid, I was not there. If they have done the job well, nobody would contact me. But when issues occur, all hell would be let loose that Lawyer is not doing his job. My job here once again is to ban, block out spammers and make sure a thread is flowing without rancour or insults. If people contact me personally to settle issues offline, then I would play my role as an arbiter of justice to settle it amicably if I choose to. If it turns out to be a legal issue then law personnel would come in.

I chose not to face the construction section because Alhaji Muftau was doing a great job here and I recommended him to Seun to make him a Moderator to monitor this thread while I faced the other threads that had trolls, spammers and trouble makers. On average, I check over 1000 posts a day on the property forum to make sure they don't violate the rules. How am I to know someone is defrauding another person when I wasn't told? It was until this case was reported to me that I knew there was an issue to sort out. I check this forum every day to do my job privately.

I chose not to comment or post anything for years because so many small boys and girls here became abusive and derailed so many intelligent posts and comments I was making and I had enough dealing with abusive people for no reason and kept to my self without commenting for years. If I choose to keep to myself, it's my prerogative. This issue between Skimanski and AppDevt would be resolved and that's the aim in settling a dispute. Any idiot who tries to infer that I am coming into this issue because I am Yoruba and the parties involved are Yoruba would be banned from this forum. He or she can carry their tribalistic attitude to the Tribal Forum not here. If you criticize me fairly, I would be the first to accept the criticism and promise to do better. If you think you can use that opportunity to insult me and cast aspertations on my character for no reason, I wont argue with you but ban you straight.

As a learned, you could still communicate without using the word "idiot", at the slightest provocation because you disagree with someone. I chose my words on this forum because I could be yelling at a tout/miscreant or a professor for goodness sake!

There's no such thing as TRUST.
It's either LUCK or BAD FORTUNE.
While we await explanations from skimanski, he chose crocodile apologies for an uncompleted job since July, 2020. It's simple, please get the job completed immediately or make a refund of the money paid to you.
Equally laughable, is that you have been soliciting for jobs while this case lingered on for months.

Land is still available.

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Best wishes to us all.
As we pray, let's remember....
To think like an investor and not a CEO.
"Tactics is knowing what to do when there is something to do....
Strategy is knowing what to do when there is nothing to do"

ricki:
can I also have the complete plan please??

here Phemyfo@gmail.com

Thanks for your interest. I'll have to get the permission of my architect first. Am sure you understand me.

spyder880:
More from the sides of my house........

Did you actually plan to do me akpiri ogologo?
Seasons Greetings anyway.
Indeed a wise choice to have a place of peace, tranquility and comfort in your hometown.

omanzo02:
Yes and no. The typical Nigerian mentality (majority) and irrelevant social pressure, they feel you must prove to them you worth a certain level of success by what you do
or where you are in life and the oppressive character that we belong to another category.
In reality taste and style should be borne out of personal preference, and not what others do or what others thinks about us.
I have a semi-selfdriving car in my driveway here but I jump on okada or hire a car in Nigeria because I don't need a one for a month/weeks I will be there for holiday.
I wear solar operated or automatic wristwatches because I hate consistent battery changing, etc.

It would been more interesting if the Nigerian mentality is about motivation, inspiration and dynamism, rather than challenge, complex and conventional. You are an easy prey when you feel insecure and lack self confidence. Whether its about buildings or clothings, it is apparent that we should be aware of our time, pocket and taste. The Nigerian factor is just a claw of this monstrosity.

ArcToyin:
Really, how?
I dressed after roofing and it was wonderfully done.

Hmmmmmmmm....

n3xt:
Here’s my response when I got asked this same question some years ago (2013) when I shared image of the wood beam ceiling (pic 1) done on one of our project in Sangotedo, Lagos.



Coffered Ceiling, Vaulted Ceiling, Exposed Beam/Joist Ceiling and the likes are a great way to add character to your home but a very expensive project which is always a job best left to the pros.

Because they’re large and strikingly imposing, exposed ceiling beams tend to work the best in rooms/spaces with high headroom or vaulted ceilings.


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Pic 2 - 3 | I tried faking a beam it by using POP to create a dropped beam in pic 3 below.

You can also fake exposed beam/wood ceiling with faux wood or reclaimed woods. I’ll suggest you talk to wood professionals.


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Pic 4 (shared by you) looks more like a faux wood or engineered wood than a real beam (natural wood). These are stuffs I’d ship down to Nigeria if I’m in your shoe.
Reason: it’s dirt cheap out there to get faux wood (imitation) but crazily expensive to get natural woods here. That’s if you even get a good finish.

Very well precise and intensive. You took the question like a sitting duck.
"Job best left to the pros"
I am planning with just the living downstairs and upstairs.
Thank you very much.

mountmoriah:
more designs still available

Are these designs directly from your showroom or completed jobs, or taken from the internet.
They are indeed very good. Great ideas.

n3xt:
Thanks bro for your question.

My plasterboard guy is out of reach for some time now. I’m also not a POP contractor so I might not be able to do exactly what you’re looking for. I’m just an enduser like you and every other enquiry minds here.

However, here’s something I do whenever I’m working on POP and many other finishing works that are billed per m² :

1. Get a Breakdown Cost

Unfortunately I do not always accept a per m² on most of my bids. I always ask my tradespeople to furnish me with a quote which includes an outline plan for how the money estimated will be spent, and a breakdown of the items it will be spent on.

I always encourage the bidder to include his best rates as I don’t like doing too much negotiations.

The reason I don’t accept per m² billing is simply because I don't feel comfortable having someone bill a fixed rate for a specific element of the works that is not yet defined in enough detail for him to accurately price.

E.g. I don’t like too many decorations on my ceiling (just plain and cornices) but my wife would like us to have quoin, ceiling rose, dome, archs, cornices etc in some part of the project . Despite the difference, we were billed the same amount N8,000 per m²

2. My Build Route: Owner-Builder Approach

When building projects get to finishing stage, I always switch mode from a general contractor (a GC) to owner-builder/owner-contractor mode to physically handle some of the finishing work on my own.

This means I planned to exclude GCs (and their fees) altogether, and intend to directly oversee all the skilled trade subcontractors who do the actual field work.

The whole effort is to save money - nothing more.

Given this background, let’s compare costs of installing a traditional POP ceiling (using gypsum plaster) vs using plasterboard in a 12m² room.


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POP Ceiling

POP Ceiling per m² - #8,000 (material and labour cost as at today)
POP Ceiling per m² - #800 - #1,500 (cost varies per design)
Bag of POP Cement - #10,200
Kg of POP sponge - #3,500

Number of Cornices* / Bag of POP Cemen - 7 (big cornice)

Note: smaller cornices can produce as much as 12 pcs per bag or even more. A 12m² room will use maximum of 1.5 bags of POP cement for cornice production.


Cost of 12m² room (#8,000 x 12m²) = #96,000 (material and labour)

Cost of 12m² room (#800 x 12m²) = #9,600 (labour only for cornice and screeding of a plain design)

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Plasterboard

Plasterboard installation per m² = #12,000 (materials and labour cost as at today)
1.2 x 3m sheet of plasterboard = #7,000 - #9,000

* A sheet of 1.2 x 3m plasterboard will cover 3.6m². A 12m² room will require 3.5 plasterboards (estimated at #31,500)

** Professional installation of plasterboard (including the grills) is charged at 1,500 per m² (newly adjusted rate).

*** We are not installing the plasterboards the professional way as it’ll be used as a replacement for the POP boards. The 3 boards will be screwed to the ceiling noggin and held in place with the help of the cornices. The experience of the installer matters a lot here.

**** Adding the cost of producing 15m - 20m cornice and the cost of screeding a 12m² ceiling, plus the cost of hanging the plasterboards (N6k max), the total cost of installing a 12m² ceiling using Plasterboard as a replacement for the conventional POP boards will still be #10 - #15k cheaper.

Very interesting analysis. We don't intend to take business away from POP and plasterboard specialists, as most feed their family through this means. I guess we just need to get tough, when the tough gets going.
Could you please throw some light on this form of cieling?
I'd appreciate.

Am encouraged by a relation to sell my ten years old ebay account with a hundred percent remarks from over 500 sales and purchases.
Last dealing was 2019.
Folks, what are the disadvantages?

If builders, house owners and contractors can chose between aluminium sheets and stone coated roofing due to finance or choice, why is there no such alternative to POP?
My thinking is because Okorommaduekwe did it, therefore Gbadamosi, Osunbor and Idongesit must do it. Just like iron wrought, chrome or stainless rails.
Not because its cheap or expensive.
Some have added penthouses to buildings but don't know it's meaning or usefulness, because they just want the penthouse title added when describing their edifice.
Its a matter of mentality and dynamism.

Sheriman:
You be FBI ni? This guy dey seriously follow him bumper to bumper on Nairaland oooo

“while all artists are not chess players, all chess players are artists.” – Marcel Duchamp.
Struggle against errors. When you see something good, look for a better one not a bad one.

Plot of land still available!
A 200k discount off!
Simply contact me, then my lawyer in Asaba.
It is my personal land, originally planned for my retirement home.

With the use of the tongue and keyboard, let's showcase the best in us, not the stress and hate in us. Having said....
Would you dress your concrete cast fascia with plastering before roofing commences to avoid interference or just do a complete roofing and then a complete plastering of the entire building when set?
Am getting conflicting opinions from my caretaker, architect and site engineer.

Just did a little check on DIY! And it's not so strange as i thought especially with the right equipment. I'll definitely go for concrete tops! Am sort of not too conventional though.
My question is why is it not famous in Nigeria?
It's hundred percent durable, solid. No need to be scared of repairs or fluids.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cnwwg6kBoY

I just did my concrete parapet over a month ago courtesy of great tutorials from KolaShangOne, saydfact, seglad2 and Dennis3D. Same goes for muffutau55, Perfecttouchade, Maintain12, skimanski, twinskenny, Nobody, omanzo02 as I approached lintel and decking stage in 2019. Notwithstanding, none of these gentlemen got a job or token appreciation from me!
Even diordaves called out money121 twice to respond to my enquiries on parapet facia, for reasons known only to him, he didn't.
Let's bury this here and now.
Money121 is not a fan of writing or theories. He is a practical, operational and blunt person.
Based on facts on this thread, he has never cheated.
It is his prerogative to respond or not, but in the end, not only does what he knows best, but also gets it exceptionally done. Now, that we know, lets stop the name callings, please.
Give him jobs because he is good at roofing or because he is poor at responses and enlightenments. It's your choice.
We are all thieves. He who is without a sin, cast the first stone!
A little over a month ago after 8 years on nairaland, my job is handled by michlins whom I met here under a week, had a little altercation with, WITHOUT any recommendation or referral or enlightenment, a total stranger. But has taken so much pains to tutor me on almost every iron, steel and metal we come across.
Now, you can see why I love Mercedes while you might prefer Honda?

Let's be sure to taste our words before we spit them out.
Let's fill ourselves up with love before showing love.
Some people look for a beautiful place, others make a place beautiful.




"We shape our buildings, thereafter, they shape us.
- Winston Churchill.

Have a great week. Folks!

GoodFaith:
Please report me

Done already since noon 28th Nov.
Nairaland also acted accordingly. Those feasts of comments can only be found probably on your profile, not anymore on this thread.
Thank you sir, for your understanding.

I woke up this morning to a heated exchange of comments styled with abusive, provocative and censored words by Gcardcodes and Goodfaith.
Now, it doesn't matter who started it.
Wrong adverts found themselves in mysterious places too.
To this end therefore, i have reported them to Nairaland and hopefully those comments will be extinct in seconds. Incase you're wondering who did it.

HEADYWORLD:
Roofing is one of the the places where you get cheated by suppliers and carpenters, especially if you are using aluminium, coated sheets and any other roofing sheet measured in square metres, unless you are using asbestos . I was ripped off over 50sqm during my roofing project, the craziest thing is, I followed the guy to where they are selling it, and they supplied the same number of sheet on the cutting list but the length he measured was longer, so instead of 6.9m he measured 9.9m for 15sheets, that's 45m at the rate of 1100. I bought the sheet at IDE global iyanapaja. Those sales boys and girls know how they do the runs.

I saw money121 that day at the aluminium factory.

Always snap their cutting list and compare what they write with the physical sheet supplied. Those aluminium roofing sheet sellers are all thieves. Even those on nairaland are the same. Be careful when dealing

Even when you end up with a 99 percent accurate measurement, you could still be screwed on site. Having saved over 133 square meters from seven different quotations, my cousin still got screwed during installation.
133 square meters of stone coated meant for his roofing was discovered in a nearby bushy plot.
The same 133 that was allegedly saved,
The same 133 that would later be required to complete the installation!!
This is why my roofing is on hold until am home!
Same faces, different voices!

Abolarin91:
Monitoring spirit

I beg your pardon sir. I don't accommodate such words. Please be more constructive next time, or say nothing at all.
Thank you.

Lynn21:
Black Friday is on...

Site seeing is available...

Call 08179949921

Same folk who can get Canadian visa for anyone at a very cheap cost?
Oga i dey envy you.
Weldone. Only judge can God!