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suavetony:
God will is that we know Him, love Him and serve Him...He did not program anything. Devil is fighting his last battle to deceive as many souls as possible. Rev 12 says: "Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring". God is omnipotence but at same time gave us the freewill to choose right or wrong...is our decision to choose...He did not program anything.

The Bible claims that the God knows us before we are born. Jeremiah 1:5. He already knows your future places of employment, even the future women or men in your life. I don't know why you're trying to dance here. Dishonesty is dishonesty, even if you're putting up a defense for the God. Muslims do the same sh)it you're doing now, making up random excuses that don't make sense. They call it al taqiyya. Say the truth, and put your conscience to rest.

sportsmaster:
if you want a whole series on the subject of tongues,i can do that for you.
i have taught the subject of tongues several times,line upon line,precept upon precept,right from Isaiah's prophecy concerning utterances till Mark16:15-19,to acts2,acts8,acts10,acts19,1cor12,1cor14.
if you are ready,i can take you through all these scriptures.

So after reading the entire chapter, you would still encourage people to babble unintelligible nonsense?

sportsmaster:
there is no such thing as three kinds of speaking with tongues,i dont know where you got that from,
i would like you to explain
1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: [b]for no man understandeth him[b]; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

tongues was never meant to be understood by humans.i have explained this subject in many of my threads.

https://www.nairaland.com/2385771/complete-understanding-subject-tongues

Why do you insist on stopping there? The 14th Chapter of first Corinthians has more than two verses.

Read the whole thing and then form an opinion.

I've said repeatedly that this God business is a fraud but the customers won't listen. Read the above story for yourselves and see if the lies don't become bigger with each passing word.

How can human resources call you for a job when you didn't apply? OK, let's say that I'm willing to suspend my common sense and accept that possibility. Where is the evidence?

NumberOne2:
Christianity and the bible are based on God (foundation).
Evolution is base on existence of life already (foundation).

Hmmm,
Excusing Evolutionist from origins of life is like excusing Christians from explaining God.
If someone else has to fix the foundation on which evolution is built, I guess some else (outside believers) should be asked about God.

Scientists don't claim to know. There are different schools of thought as far as origin of life is concerned. But the same level of honesty cannot be obtained from the God people. They are talking to the creator 6 ft away from me, and claiming that I need special equipment to hear the replies.

NumberOne2:
Well, same as the wait for science "origins of life" will be passed to future generations.

Religion has bigger issues to worry about than the ordinary end of the world wait time.

Nobody's worrying about the end of the world. Last time I checked, everyone dies. No exceptions. Some holy ghost preachers get called home at 27, same age as some of the unskilled armed robbers gunned down by the police. The world ends for dead people. To threaten someone with end of the world scenario is like peeing in the wind. The thing is inevitable.

The claims in religion go far beyond that business. Religion has in it an inherent, self-verifying method for determining it's vericacy. Islam, for example, is based upon the word of one man. This man told other adults that he spoke with the thing/creature person who made us, Time, and Space. That's like telling everyone that you're f)ucking Oprah. That type of monster claim should be EASY to prove. Why all the run around?

Science, on the other hand, doesn't say what they don't know. Scientists will never tell you that the breasts of female ghosts average so and so. But a religionist won't shy away from empty, nonsense statements like that.

espn:
we have more than enough money in dis country to help those in need.. if 500 of us should contribute 1k eachh..dats 500k.. lets do it.. seun pls kindly find a way of opening an account for dis purpose.. thanks

Glaucoma is irreversible. Nothing can be done, except surgery to prevent further deterioration.

dolphinheart:
Question we should think about , especially for those who believe babies go to heaven when they die.

A woman can secure evalasting future for her children is she kills them shortly after birth ? Yes or no.

What happens to babies that died shortly before birth? Are they considered alive enough to guarantee them heavenly hope ?

Good question. Best way to send everyone to heaven is to sacrifice them like Abraham was about to do Isaac. He didn't want to hurt the old man's feelings though, evil cretin.

Spy360:
You can find meaning in Jesus. Life becomes meaningful and purposeful when you have Jesus living in you.

Yes it sounds strange. Even I can't explain how it happens. But it is real, I am experiencing it, and anyone with that experience will tell you it is real. It comes like joy, satisfaction, peace of mind, a sense assurance, hope, comfort- it's so massive I tell you.

I urge you to have this same experience with me.

It is imaginary. Real Muslims feel the same joy after reading Mohammed. If you had to guess, how many true followers of Christ would you say are in Nigeria at this moment? Ignore the ones you consider fake to you.

nairamaniac:
This pastors are taking their acting skills too far. I just hope the church-sector doesn't become like WWE her soon. where kids would be argueing if its real or fake. The healing-powers is becoming too rampant and common amongst these pastors. At this rate, there should be no functioning hospitals anymore.

Like you said, we are approaching a moment in time when even the children will become increasingly skeptical of the God business.

Raymondenyi:
stop being silly my brother; I have seen with my two eyes; where a man was shot at and he was still bouncing ; and running around; but when he released his own to the opposing party; my brother.... we just finished d burial of his opposition some few weeks ago...

You witnessed a live gunfight in which capacity? I mean, which news organization do you work for?

Humans flee the sound of gunfire across the board, usually with pastors leading from the front. But you were courageous enough to witness the entire exchange. Must have been quite the experience.

thorpido:
When He created man,He created him with a free will because he was made in His own image.He does not control man even though He created man.
If He wanted robots,then they would have had total control.
Knowledge is key.

Freewill implies that the God is lacking the power to know the future. For someone who claims to exist outside of time and know people before they're born, I don't think that there's a lot of freewill going on. In fact, freewill contradicts the existence of the God because we've been told that everything happens according to his will.

Eg. Permission was required to punish Job who was a Christian in his own time. Satan and Job couldn't do anything, they both needed approval. Not only that, but the God ALREADY knew the outcome of the horrible game. It was Satan who didn't know.

keenn:
I was of the opinion that none of this charm protective effects are plausible

But when credit is given to it(charm) by a man who engages in constant warfare with heavy artillery(like I said, he is on a protective detail of a top military personal) someone might begin to have a rethink of aforementioned notion/principle/school of thought/believe system. Except if his statements are untrue wish I doubt.

I can't remember the arm forces enlisting native doctors to fight their warfare, and neither do americans consider africans/natives/tribal race that have more of these charms has threats to world peace...likewise have I not heard of arm forces of any country making others for charms as part of their warfare purchase

You should have asked the man when was the last time he spoke with the person called the Lord. His answer would have told you all you needed to know about the truthfulness of his claims.

The people who see charms in effect are the same people who talk to this Lord person in isolation. Mind you, the Lord is invisible.

I'm willing to bet that the guy also thinks Mami Wata is on vacation in Asia.

thorpido:
Ignorance of the Op and his associates.

The disciples asked him why he spoke to the people in parables.He said that it might be fulfilled in them that which was spoken by the prophet Esais,that they having eyes should not see and having ears should not understand.For the heart of these people is waxed gross lest they be converted and I should heal them.

Later you will say that the same person was the creator of all hearts, ears, and eyes. How can a creator not know how to operate his own product?

iamdapsyj:
Bloggers should please stop referring to them as pastors.

Will you refrain from calling suicide bombers Muslims? They are Muslims in the same way these ones are pastors.

Christians call him false prophet only. Nothing wrong with the book.

malvisguy212:
I am busy now, I will click the link later.

Man was CREATED, you only see what you created, you cannot created invincible thing.

Who is the person who CANNOT do something, is it the OMNIPOTENT God ? The person who has no beginning and end? The same person who exists outside SPACE and TIME? All that power and still unable to create invisible things.

Of what use is OMNIPOTENCE if the God cannot do certain things, in fact omnipotence is an oxymoron for whoever cannot create invisible things.

dalaman:
If I create a robot in my image and likeness, you'll expect the robot to be physical and in my form. God created man in his image and likeness yet man remains physical while God is invisible. That's a load of crap in my opinion.

Funny, I've never really considered this creation of man in the SAME image and likeness business. It means that the God is a human being. Gatiano must hear this.

STEVENcrack:
That's for God to decide dear. He's omnipotent.

Remember enoch. Remember elijah. Moses. Abraham.
you were also right BUT God has all d power.

Only a f.ool uses omnipotent without understanding the implications. Imagine serving as the useless mouthpiece for an omnipotent person. Even people who can't read and write are preaching gospel to their parents.

And you wonder how Boko got themselves entangled in foolishness and violence.

Anyone who requires you to talk for them is weaker than a dehydrated AIDS patient and that goes for the imaginary b.itch you pray to.

STEVENcrack:
Losers can check my signature.

Thanks IMAGE123 for d double dose.

Do you think mad people know that they're mad?

vfactor:
First of all. I am not afraid of mentioning the bible. Probably you ve not been reading my comments. To describe the bible as ridiculous means u ve never read it cover to cover. Just what you heard in Sunday school while young!

Of all the questions you raised, I will only respond to No. 3. And I am responding cos of other readers of these thread who may be open minded enough to weigh matter from both side. And unfortunately I am going to use the 'ancient ridiculous Jewish book' - this time profusely!

First, let's consider the implication of God foreknowing every event in human history. That would mean that before God even started to create, all the events in this world - every good deeds, atrocities, suicide bombings, atom bomb on Hiroshima and both world wars - have all existed in God's mind because of his ability to foreknow event. Yet he still went ahead to create man! Now what would be his aim? In your own words, what is he trying to prove? That means that God would be the source of all sufferings for the fact that he knew what would happen and still went ahead to do so. Does that sound reasonable? Would the maker of common sense and the giver of it, not have an abundance of it?

The bible in Deuteronomy 6:5 asked people to love God with all our heart. How is it possible to love God when you know he initiated the suffering on earth by creating man, when he know man would fail?

When I made the statement that God exercises his power of foreknowledge selectively, people thought I was just making baseless assertions. Well consider these few biblical examples:

When God was about to destroy the people in Noah's day, the bible referred to God as feeling regret that he had made man. (Genesis 6:5,6). Now why would God feel regret for something he already knew would happen?

Another example: before the destruction of Sodom and Gomorah, God had a conversation with Abraham, by means of his angel. I quote:

Genesis 18:20,21 KJV.

Now why would God need to investigate what was happening in Sodom and Gomorah before knowing?

There re other examples of Tower of Babel (Genesis 11:5-, The test of Abraham (Genesis 22:11, 12), to name but a few which further proves God's selective foreknowledge.

God does use his power of foreknowledge. He uses this power when he wishes. In prophecies. In the case of Adam he had no need to. According to Genesis 1:26, God saw that all his work were very good. He knows that nothing that could happen that could prevent him from accomplishing his purpose for the earth and man. Even when things eventually turned for bad, he used his power of foreknowledge to prophesy of a "seed" that would break the works of the devil. (Gen. 3:15).

Really, saying that God does not selectively use his power of foreknowledge would not only be ignoring scriptural evidences, but also limit to God to our own standard of how a creator should be. With Him all things are possible - including the ability to selectively choose what he wishes to foreknow or not.

You may, dismiss all the above as mere folklores of ancient Jews. But doing so without properly examining the bible thoroughly would be ridiculous. I urged you to examine the bible with regards to: historical data, scientific subjects, prophecies and principles for living. Many reputable men, whom you wouldn't call ordinary and shallow thinkers have done these and have seen that the bible is really unique, albeit great misunderstood!

And to all Christians, I urge you to study your bible. Question what you have been taught from childhood and search the scriptures for the truth about such teachings. Ask questions where you don't understand. The op has done this, and I believe he will find satisfying answers. (Matthew 7:7).

I will not reply any more mentions cos I believe I have made enough points for any open minded observer to weigh and reach conclusions. Lemme enjoy other sections in Nairaland


Peace!

So basically your version of God is not a stickler for details, right?

Image123:
You don't have to be abusive or demonstrate a lack of proper training before you pass across your views effectively. i am not the cause of your frustration and despair. i simply asked a question, and you can either answer it or ignore it. The question was polite, and its logic that the answer be polite.
Question: Do you really care where a two year old goes, or more of where you go? What would it profit you if all two year olds went to heaven and you missed it?

Your answer from what i can pick: Yes, I care, I want all two year olds in heaven

Good to see you care where two year olds go. Seems you are also set to end up in hell, that's unfortunate. There is no reason why you need to end up in hell, you can also go to heaven with the two year olds. You have no basis or moral justification to want to end up in hell while unknown two year olds end up in heaven. Since you wanted my opinion or answer, you should have asked, instead of making baseless assumptions and generalisations. i'll kindly answer you though. i want two year olds in heaven, i want you also in heaven, i want everyone in heaven. However, it's not up to my wants, the owner and maker of Heaven and Hell has His terms for you and i. As for two year olds, they clearly and automatically get to Heaven. He stated already that OF SUCH is the Kingdom of God. It's not a debate. So instead of debating the unnecessary, take time to think, What would it profit you if all two year olds went to heaven and you missed it?

I'm done with you.

JetReuel:
The Bible has NEVER CONTRADICT and will never CONTRADICT itself... The Scriptures can be understood with relation to other parts of the scriptures. If you can take time to go through these verses, why not also take time to verify your findings like the Christians in Bereoa did. Except you believe God is confusing himself and us by giving us something that is contradictory.

Mark you GOD is PERFECT and there is no flaw in him... If He can make prophecies hundreds of years well in advance and it actually got fulfilled, how much more events that took place, or things he said, and He can't remember them when he is making reference

Prophecies have been fulfilled and others have failed miserably. It's like a Barcelona Madrid match. You win some, you lose some.

NumberOne2:
Here is the Truth:
No man can prove the existence of God except God himself (by the Holy Spirit).

That's funny, the only time I've heard anything about God, it was a human being running their mouth. Elijah proved his God to the prophets of Baal.

You're saying what we've been saying, that the writers of the Bible should have been slapped for bringing texts from God without any way of proving that God talked to them.

TUNEX89:
How true is this that Islam is a religion of peace. Because i found it hard to believe why because all the terrorists group on planet earth is link to this religion call Islam. Eg ISIS, ALQUEDA, BOKO HARAM, MATATSINE etc. Pls i need somebody to counter this for me.

I'm amazed that the Quran doesn't include disclaimers for suicide bombers in the same way that the bible included disclaimers for r)apist priests and "false prophets."

It would have taken one verse beginning like this " some will come in the name of Allah and cause unnecessary harm, rest assured that Allah doesn't know them. "

We've seen popular Christian pastors engage in all kinds of activities, from receiving MouthAction from boys at gas stations, to impregnating every female in a church. Christians won't dismiss Jesus after uncovering those revelations, in fact, it emboldens them. Suicide bombers should embolden Muslims and make them realize that Allah is real too.

Not everyone who says Allah will enter heaven.

nerodenero:
Jus one major title more and she has 22 same with Stephy Graff and there is no stopping her from winning more major titles before she retires.

Serena, Omo ologede . Imagine after buying the ogede as a man and wanting to test the energy it sends to the joystick on Serena!!! Na wahala be that as she looks more of a man than a lady . The struggle between the duo go harsh

Never seen as)s like that on a man. But then again, I wasn't looking.

tartar9:
Allah(SWT) is above space and time.

That was easy, never mind that you haven't the slightest clue of the implications.

Ha-ha-ha. Where can this Allah stay if not in space and time? Is there a place outside of space? How did your brain determine that something can occupy a place when the place doesn't exist?

afolag:
moses didnt use a speed boat to cross red sea sonebody made that happen.
2. The ark of noah float in water, nobody calc water density then.
3. Abraham wasn't burn by fire that wasn't fire extinguishers doing.
4. issa ( jesus) talk when born, no tape was played
we are all made from a drop of sperm transformed from cycle to cycle in each 40days. protected over time even when as a baby u ar not sensitive to what moves by urside as an infant. Now that you ar counted among the lucky ones to be alive is that how to be grateful? some mother bleed to lose thre pregnancy. many sperm never produce baby.

You do realize that everyone dies, right? Some are aborted by their mothers, some die in childbirth, others die in accidents or by illnesses. Some die old and frail, but the LCF is Death.

Ericsdm55:
I am surprised that someone actually got time to type so many verses of the Bible claiming they contradict one another. Please be rest assured that that the Bible remains God's true word.

Why did you continue to type after saying this? Someone is using common sense to show you contradictions in language, while you are settled on using insanity to make your point.

CaptainJune:
Like I said, which of them can step out and tell the world that they have witnessed Allah's paradise, Buddhist and Hindu reincarnation or non-existence (it's really funny to prove this one) like the Christians claim to do?

In some religions, only the equivalent of the devil can see visions and paradise and stuff. Mohammed was the last prophet from God, and according to the Quran, the prophet business ended when he died. Anyone seeing visions in Islam is either possessed or telling lies. In Christianity, God forgives sin if the person can make sounds come out of his mouth and recite words. For this reason, anyone can claim anything, because forgiveness is always 20 secs of tongue work away.

The bible has many disclaimers that ensure its survival.
For example, don't add or subtract words is the most stupid and insidious warning ever. It's something that even I will remember to put in my own fake holy book.

Image123:
i asked you a question, are you an illiterate or what? Do you really care where a two year old goes, or more of where you go? What would it profit you if all two year olds went to heaven and you missed it?

Yes, I care, dyslexic muthafucka. You don't comprehend written language very well. I want all two year olds in heaven, so that I can finish your mother in hell. Kids don't need to see that.

Image123:
Do you really care where a two year old goes, or more of where you go? What would it profit you if all two year olds went to heaven and you missed it?

It's only a sadistic and evil muthafucka who won't care about the fate of two year olds. Or the person is a Christian. In your case, it's both.