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Let us talk about Nigeria as a colonized nation. Why should we remain stagnant for so long after independence. Like somebody said earlier, we have some bunch of nincompoops parading themselves as self made Messiahs. What excuse do they have almost 50 years after independence. Right from Tafawa Balewa to Ironsi's aberration, then Gowon blind interregnum to Buhari's misplaced priorities, then the brazen brigandage and blatant robbery of Babangida's regime to the genocidal reign of Abacha and the appalling government of OBJ. I am sick of talking colonialism for half a century. Safe for people like Awolowo with his vision for the old western region I am yet to see any leader in Nigeria. All the rest are bunch of buffoons who wants power for what they are going to get from it not for the interest of the nation and the people. What we need is a leader not a president. Any fool can be president but not everybody can have the vision of a leader.

Maybe we should try someone younger, in their 40s so that person with youngblood and not having been at anytime time been under the control of the Brits and thus filled with greed. I feel like younger people have more vigor and might be more led by change and a sense of purpose than greed. Those old potbellied fools are only for themselves

Please spend time to actually read my posts instead of inserting your ideas into them. No where did I post such. You reached that conclusion all on your own and note above where I point out again that I never posted that it was the only thing africans traded but one of the many things africans traded.

They traded with China and Japan. The West Indies was "discovered" as Comebucus was looking for another trading route to India that would be faster.

But we were busy trading our own brothers and sisters into slavery before colonization?? I mean can you beat that one?? LOL,

This is you response to my statement so how am I inserting anything. I think you should reread your own post or even modify them to fit what you want instead of ranting off. How am I ranting off when you yourself said the above.

am not making excuses for anyone especially myself as I am in no way involved in the past or present slave trade in Africa. The only thing am doing is trying to make sure blacks don't take the blame for everything. There's no fact to accept except the fact that all we do agree with every label we are placed with. I don't think there is any other race as guilty for colonization and its horors as blacks and there is no other race as mentally colonized as blacks. Some people even refer to themselves as having Niggerrites.
Why are you making so many excuses for the former colonial masters, for whom do you make them?

No Where in my post have I made any excuse for anyone. I have basically made it clear that almost all peoples on this planet have at one time or another been involved in colonizing another. again my focus has not been on any particular nation but on peoples. Before Nigeria was united, like in my last post, the individual groups have at one time or another been involved at some point or another more than likely.

It sucks to assume doesn’t it? You assumed I was making excuses for someone and when I made the same assumption of you quickly realize how annoying it is. And you have been making excuses for the colonial masters by saying that the problem in Nigeria, Ethiopia and the likes is not because of colonization and the likes, oh please. Ethiopia was not colonized the brutality that came with the attempt had an effect. Therefore I brand your above argument irrelevant. Just because the individual groups at some point colonized people does not mean that British colonization does not have effect. How do you know the people that were colonized by different tribal groups did not have an effect on them? You’re changing the whole debate to something else colonization of anybody or its attempt is not good neither for the nation nor the people.

Mental colonization happens to be the whole argument that COLONIZATION did this and that to us, which is rubbish cause even you have stated yourself that countries that have never been colonized, as far as we know NOW still had to deal with similar things. You used Ethiopia earlier, and I mentioned that compared to Nigeria, that country is doing worse.

NOTICE THE USE OF THE WORD COUNTRY IN THIS CASE

I still don’t get what point you’re trying to get across here? Please explicate further.

Again, You brought up the argument that countries that were never colonized are doing better and Ethiopia was brought into the picture to show that is not necessarily the case. Sure the Country Nigeria came into existence in 1914 but the people who lived in that area did not fall out of thing air and may AGAIN have themselves colonized other people's even before the creation of the NAME and country NIGERIA in 1914. History of these people go way back before 1914, even though the country itself was formed in 1914.

Maybe if you told me the name of the people they colonized then I would know where you’re going with this argument. Even if they had colonized people did it occur to you that those people would have been re colonized by the British or which ever European colonists there? Therefore that argument is null and void.

I had to go back again to the page before this to get this again for you

No disrespect but what

If you are trying to argue that hate and disregard is a result of colonization, then I seriously say we end this now. From the very beginning, man has been known to turn on his own brother for various reasons, Mother's against their own children, fathers against their own sons. Many of this existed from the beginning.

This spiel is highly irrelevant.

Even in Japan, there has existed a class system, even in China, from long before we can remember. I do believe colonizers only took advantage of this where they could to get their end just as countries and nations take advantage of wholes in systems to their advantage. It has been the way of the world from so long in history and I do not think even now that most of the world have moved on from colonization mentality, that will end. No We will find something else to put the blame on instead of dealing with reality and solving issues. From the Egyptians to the greeks to the romans, the hausas and many other people in history who have colonized other people, it has been the same, play on the people's weakness, which already existed long before the colonizers came into the picture, to their own ( colonizers) advantage.

I’m arguing that because of European colonization there is the white syndrome where people think they are inferior and only things of white approval are accepted. Oh so you know that there is a colonization mentality. Your argument is not straight forward, there is a colonization mentality but colonization is not the reason for some of the problems that exists today. You said that in three years it would have been 50 years since colonization ended however you did not notice that non of the current presidents and former are under 50 years old. You don’t recognize that they were alive when the whites had power and seemed that blacks will never be able to rule or have wealth. Am not saying that greed is not in the heart of men and colonization is the only blame for the current state of Nigeria, but colonization highly partook in it.

how are you on banning people?

Why are people leaving in droves when we have amazing universities, good enough to be in competitions

If Al Queda has denied it then who is it? Does it really matter, another person seeking democracy is cut down maybe it wasn't meant to be for some people

Oh my gosh!!! you keep deviating. Way before 1914, the people still existed and as groups colonized other peoples. What do you keep deviating from the point? What has the mustard gas used on ethiopia to do with this?? You are the same person who came up with Ethiopia was not colonized argument and I am telling you that it does not necessarily mean that they are better off cause of that. Stop going off on tangents and by the way being able to say something is rubbish is not slavery but shows one is maybe willing to use ones mind. You are busy throwing in this and that but when you hit a wall, you deviate. That is not how to argue though. Basically, you have yet to show that colonization is to blame for a single thing but you have shown that whether or not the people were colonized or not, it is up to the people to decide what their end will be. I mean come on. Even india is doing better than Nigeria is and yet the country was under the british for longer. My point is this, most all people have, be it under the flag of a nation or as a people, have experienced colonization or themselves colonized another group at one time of another in history. Nigeria's case and even africa's case is not unique and so should not be treated as a unique case. We have no excuse and no blame to put on colonization more than the rest of the world that experienced same.

Why is that my arguments are diviations but when you ignore viable arguments thats not going off on some tangent. Ok you said that Nigeria colonized people and am telling you that Nigeria did not exist as an entity until 1914 when the British brought a bunch of people that had only skin color in common and imagined a Nation. It is extremely important to be precise when arguing so you don't hit on a wall and try to find a way out by calling the rebutal deviation. Now that it is again established that Nigeria came into being in 1914 and since then has not colonized anyone can you now please tell me who was colonized by the people living in present day Nigeria? Or who was colonized by whatever existed before it was called Nigeria (I suspect this is the only one you can answer even though this is not what your former argument was).

You ask what has Mustard gas to do with this? Do you really think Mustard Gas bomb has nothing to do with the current state of Ethopia? Come on next thing you will say the Namibian genocide of the 1900s has nothing or Heroshima has nothing to do with the state of the country. You can do better than that.

India is bigger than Nigeria and even if India is doing better than Nigeria you forget that Japan that was not colonized is doing better than India. You easily forget that I mentioned China and Japan because it does not fit into your argument but am the one going off on a tangent. In the case you did not know this colonization has had an effect and if you think that a country or a people can only be measured by their wealth then how sad. The reason I denounce the effect of colonization and will forever maintain that its effects were and are worse than the good it did. The colonized people hate themselves, want proof of that right here on Nairaland is proof from one inferiority complex to the other based on how they compare to whites. The white man's syndrome has infected all that have been colonized, even in your India majority of the poor are of dark skin because in their caste system only people that look closest to white are good enough to have money and be in power. Watch Bollywood movies anything. Whether or not yo want to believe that the evils of colonization were worse than the measly good of "building roads, education and hospital" it is true. None of the infrastructure esablished because of colonization was worth it. People in Africa and other countries were alive without them and are worse off with them. The Naitive Indians rearranged their whole system to accomodate the colonizers and what good it did them, didn't the American government take away their land, send them on a march thousands of miles away to give them a "sovereign nation" within the US. You can sing all you want and be the apologists for the colonizer till thy kingdom come but the truth is Colonization was good for only the colonial masters. The only thing colonization has done for us is make us the mumu, if we succeed then it is all thanks to the colonizers, if we don't then it is all thanks to the stupidity of the black race that can succeed at anything. You can try and convince me about alot of things but not the "good" colonization has done for us. Unless hating oneself is a "good " then no.

@wendymanda,

I agree with davidylan.
do not say what u do not know.

Please explain

What the heck is glock?

That was totally uncalled for and smacks of a hint of racism.
Everyone is entitled to whoever they want as a mate without being judged.

Absolutely no hint of racism on my part, her husband is the one that wants nothing to do with Nigerian women not her. I have no problems with her and I meant what I said about her taking kinds like him out of our hands. If he had been married to a Nigerian women and behaving like that his behavior would not be criticized but it would be the Nigerian woman that would be held responsible. Yes everyone can mate with their choice no qualms about that, and everyone is also entitled to their opionion and in mine am happy he found her and the problem is cultural difference rather than the craziness of a Nigerian woman. The way you misread my post is probably the confusion that arises where people think that Nigerian women are angry and jealous when Nigerian men marry other women. It don't bother me none, what ever rocks your boat.

Some people are ashamed of their hair? Should we also cry about the shape of our noses too?

Na only nose when people come here to rave about being light skinned.

Colonization to the teeth. Do you really believe that because your hair is different God spent less time on you. The shame of inferiority complex, acutally if you thought about if without ignorance you would realize that hair just like skin color serves other purpose than for beautification. Whites and blacks have different hair because of climate, mumu.

I think we should try younger people for President. I think youngbloods think more about the shame than personal gain.

So if most Nigerian girls are poor, is it girls in Nigeria, abroad or both? Do you have a solution to end this poverty streak or just hopeless noise to get attention. I will rather be poor than a hopeless idiot anyday but that's just me.

Does Seun really ban those people or is he joking. I get the sense this is a dictatorship and not a democracy. Well in the case its true I have to get other information on him to try my E-Harmoney pairing. It's based on twenty compatibilities and so far I already have two

So your husband is only attracted to white women and anything not Nigerian, happy for you and him based on your description you have given me I think you did Nigerian women a favor by taking his kind out of our hands.

Prove to me that we NEVER colonized any other people in history and maybe you have a story to tell here. If you want to pull recent then please how recent do you want to go?? 50 years?? wait a second, in 3 years, we would not consider colonization of Nigeria recent. You mean you want to put away all of history just for the piece you want to make your point with?? Come on , Unless you can prove to me that at no time in history did the Nigerian people themselves colonize any other people, all I can tell you is you can not refute my argument yourself but if you want to be honest you open yourself to that possibility that it may have happened at some time in our past. By the way, do you know that most of the hausas we have in the north were not the original people who lived up north Just cause we do not have an extensive record of our history does not mean we just came out of thing air.

Mental colonization happens to be the whole argument that COLONIZATION did this and that to us, which is rubbish cause even you have stated yourself that countries that have never been colonized, as far as we know NOW still had to deal with similar things. You used Ethiopia earlier, and I mentioned that compared to Nigeria, that country is doing worse.

Nigeria was formed in 1914 so now please tell me who Nigeria colonized. People who are the most mentally colonized are the ones that usually call the argument rubbish. You really don't think that the Mustard gas that was used to massacre Ethopia had no effect on their current state?come on.

My sincere apologies for the "American pedestrian" talk. Didn't mean any harm.

I'm an American myself and so there is nothing to be jealous about.

No harm done.

My sincere apologies for the "American pedestrian" talk. Didn't mean any harm.

I'm an American myself and so there is nothing to be jealous about.

No harm done.

I was kidding about the cooking agreement thing. So what culture or race are you? What country are you so that maybe if a Nigerian female is there they can stay in contact unless your husband does not want to have anythign to do with a Nigerian man.

@ Nwando thank you my sister. The same I hate America brigade will do anything to pack _{you know what}

Ogheneme! Na wa oo! Another "American" pedestrian has just walked in to yarn dust!

My dear, four of them have been charged, tried (military court) and sentenced!!!

The fifth one is going to trial in 2009.

Yes you are right according to CNN four have been charged, the site I used earlier was wrong.  Could you not have easily said four was charged without the American Pedestrian, I am sorry you are not apart of the American Pedestrian Posse (APP), I sense in the air a tinge of jealousy. Sorry for not being apart of the APP, its not my fault you did not make the cut.

Ogheneme! Na wa oo! Another "American" pedestrian has just walked in to yarn dust!

My dear, four of them have been charged, tried (military court) and sentenced!!!

The fifth one is going to trial in 2009.

Yes you are right according to CNN four have been charged, the site I used earlier was wrong. Could you not have easily said four was charged without the American Pedestrian, I am sorry you are not apart of the American Pedestrian Posse (APP), I sense in the air a tinge of jealousy. Sorry for not being apart of the APP, its not my fault you did not make the cut.

Did you have a cooking agreement?

I do agree, all that has happened to us has been of our own doing and no one elses.

That is an example of the white man's apologist. Could you tell me who we colonized before recently being colonized ourselves. Also please enlight me on how we are playing the WHITE MAN ARE AFTER US game, all am saying is the colonization was not good for Africa and showing how mental colonization have ruined us.

The stupidty epidemic is once again apparent.

uuuummm, there were folks who sold from their own family actually. By the way, I thought the very fact that blacks sold blacks means blacks sold their own brothers/sisters/uncles and whatever, Come on. Whatever way you want to slice and dice it, blacks sold their own kind. No were in my post did I say Africa was only for slave trade. We had lots to sell including our own people. There is no need to want to explain things away. You mentioned trade and I mentioned one of the things we traded back then and even to this day.

Like I said earlier when we accept the fact that there are differences we will move forward, tribes are different so instead of buying to historical melodrama that one our brothers and sisters just because people had the same skin color then we can't move on. The British did not think the Irish were their brothers and they both spoke English but we should hate ourselves because we traded people that didn't even speak the same dialect. You said`that we were busy traded each other whilst the Chinese and Japanese were trading silk and what not, we traded ivory and other things but it was easier to just steal from us as we were seen as inferior. The only trade you mentioned was trading of people, people in Russia sell girls for sex and India as well so Africa is not the only place modern day slavery

Are you afraid of accepting facts as just that facts? Why do you need to make the excuses and labels?? For whom do you do that self??

I am not making excuses for anyone especially myself as I am in no way involved in the past or present slave trade in Africa. The only thing am doing is trying to make sure blacks don't take the blame for everything. There's no fact to accept except the fact that all we do agree with every label we are placed with. I don't think there is any other race as guilty for colonization and its horors as blacks and there is no other race as mentally colonized as blacks. Some people even refer to themselves as having Niggerrites.
Why are you making so many excuses for the former colonial masters, for whom do you make them?

O.K, I knew there was no way the pictures were real. I googled it and found other pictures which are all linked to a porn site. The story is true but the four or five soliders have been uncharged which means the whole thing is a sham.

Not soliciting just wondering why it has taken six and maybe more for us to find a wife for Seun. How old is he? I can find him a wife based on 20 conpatibilities just like E- Harmony.

I can't believe it has taken six pages and the quest for a wife for Seun has still not been achieved. He is actually cute I looked at his picture my sisters were confused on whether or not he was a girl. He is so cute he is even pretty please lets stop wasting time and start proposing. I know it is un-Nigerian for the woman to propose but he is extremely cute and,

I vote non

What is the problem, she is only six years older than you are whats the big deal.