₦airaland Forum

zoedew:
“May.” Proven track record of operating telecom licences is the issue here. Mafab has zero experience !! Oh what a country.

And so?
If the company do not role out operations within a stipulated time, the license can be revoked or the government can embark on another round of bidding.

Glo missed out of the first round of GSM license, but it won license as a second national carrier which included GSM just 2 years later.

Nsibash:
Sorry op. It still doesn't make sense to me. It's not about the money for me. Ofcourse we understand how our country runs, there are definitely more to how they could amass such huge investment than we currently know.

My concern is how they even qualified to bid without having the necessary infrastructure to run the 5G spectrum and even beat Airtel Nigeria to it.

E shock me sha

As I said, it's a matter of cash

williams77:
What a terrible nation, the same way they allocated Power and Petroleum sector to themselves with no meaningful progress yet, I hate it when a Nigerian investor amongst multinationals is licensed to handle a key business component in this country, what they do is to extort masses and rip them off for the services which they never render, how can this strange and alien name get the license in the midst of the globally recognized telecom giants..... 5G would end in tears with this Manfab, just watch out

It's not a monopoly. Two of them won the bid. If Mafab Communications do not role out or role out poor 5g services, you can port to the second company or stick to 4g. There are alternatives.

Ernestforyou:
This is not about tribe but simple logic.A company with no prior experience in such field and registered within a year to have gotten such license is of no brain .

The licence was not free. The company may have or plan to hire professionals with decades of experience.

Gavel:
This is quite funny. As a Lawyer I find the judgment difficult to grasp and reconcile with realities.

As a non lawyer, I find it difficult to grasp also. First he only made reference to the 1999 constitution. So what happens to marriages held before 1999?
Then what is the current status of millions marriages held since 1999 till date?
What is status of inheritance and family judgements made as a consequence of marriages conducted in ikoyi? Are the judgements null and void?
What of those that recieved citizenships of other countries because of marriages conducted at Ikoyi Registry (ironically Ikoyi Registry is the only Marriage Registry recognised by US embassy), do their citizenship become null and void?

Golan007:
Yeah, Ibeto bid for it but was cheated.

Please explain how? Did ibeto bid $300 million and was rejected?

tunjilana:
This one will still end up selling the license to a serious company for profit...a company registered in 2020 with no structure, offering more than airtel that has been around for years...

Then why didn't the company with structure offering more than airtel bid pay the $275.9 million?

In a capitalist system money or rather the forces of demand and supply rules, not emotions or sentiments.

emmykk:
Airtel was not beaten airtel back down.And it is very stupid for govt to give license to a company that have no structure.it is a shame

According to madam kofo, it's a matter of cash

Watin consign gofment wit structure, when $275.9 million is involved. Abi you want make Buhari borrow the money from china?

We4all:
You got to be kidding me! 11-year-old isn’t 11Months old. Are you trying to say an 11-year old is free to do whatever he likes?

I never said an 11-year old is free to do whatever he likes. What i said is that the responsibility for the actions of an 11 years lies with its parents, guardian or care givers.

Even my aunt that pampered her kids used to hold her son responsible when he clocked 8. Even at that, I felt it should have been earlier than that.

Exactly what I am saying. Parents should hold their children responsible for their actions. Meanwhile the society and the law holds the parents responsible for the actions of the ordered children. That's why an 8 year old cannot be arrested or prosecuted for crimes they commit, their parents are.

As a 7-year old, I could tell what was wrong or right and don’t feel bad about being raised like that.

You will be surprised that most 7 year olds don't know what's right or wrong but acquire the rights and wrongs of their parents. Some 7 year old children of Muslim fundamentalists had been taught by their father that beheading an infidel is right.

You should bear in mind that life is unpredictable and you may not always be around your kids. Now is the time to catch them young and mould them for what lies ahead.

This statement is contradictory. How can you catch them young and mould them when you may not always be around due to the unpredictability of life? The bottom line is people should not be having children they are not prepared to raise.
That's why in civilised climes, children are taken away from parents who show they cannot be responsible for children.

I presume you read the story of that 9 or 10 year old girl that burnt down a Supermarket intentionally. If her parents had taught her to be responsible, she wouldn’t have done that.

Yes I read the story. But I did not read the final outcome. Was the 9 or 20 year old arrested and prosecuted? Is she in jail or asked to pay for the damages? Please fill us in with the conclusion.

Even my niece who is about her age condemned her and called her wicked. That to me is exemplary.

Every one can condemn her, but can we hold her liable?

Toks2008:
It is easy to make reference to her failed report whilst ignoring many that were true. Even news papers carry false report so what is the point.

Only tabloids carry outlandish reports like aunty kemi. Reputable newspapers don't fabricate stories.

My point is clear so don't make it look as if i don't empathize with the family of the boy..i just choose to be objective rather than getting emotionally sentimental.

Objective? You mean to tell me that someone that believes an 11 year old JSS2 students is now peers to SSS2 and SSS3 students is being objective because aunty kemi says so?

You mean to tell me that an 11 year old consented to be beaten fatally by senior students in order to join their cult.

Sorry to say, but you seem to exhibit then came type of symptoms with aunty kemi.

Toks2008:
You guys are just too sentimental for my liking.

You see this lady ehn, i have learned never to discard whatever she says even if it sounds foolish. I am not saying she is right or wrong neither am i insinuating that what happened to the poor boy regardless of whether he consented or not is justified but we must understand that ''mad'' people in many instances are usually right about what they see or say. So whilst some people tag her mad, her past findings have proved to be true in most cases.

I hope you have learnt not to discard that Nnamdi Kanu is dead, and the person on trial in Abuja is a double according to aunty Kemi.

Reference:
Indeed and that is why lately I have advocated for parental liability for some of the henoius crimes we increasingly see minors commit these days. We just cannot fold our arms and let murder, violence and brigandage go unanswered because they are commited by children. If these kids cannot be charged and held with adults then their parents must answer in one way or the other for their crimes.

At the very least they should be liable for civil penalties in such a manner that sends a strong social message that bad, poor or inadequate parenting has dire consequences.

Not just civil penalties but also criminal penalties. The parents of the 15-year-old that killed four students at a high school in Michigan were charged with involuntary manslaughter for allowing their son access to the gun, while the son was charged with murder.

We4all:
He was in form 2. And yes, I have seen younger eyes who voluntarily agreed to join cultism and turned out deadly. The world of today is rotten and children are not as naive as you think.

I have never seen someone blame an 11 year old kid before for their actions. Blame and responsibility usually goes to their parents or care givers.

I have three children and I take full responsibility to their actions.

ThankUJesus:
I am a father either, we are too emotional to an issue, let police do their investigation, Cult group don't force people to join them. No matter what, these people will not go free because no law support cultism in the Nigeria, but which lesson do we learn from the whole thing?

Then you know very little about cultism. Cultists will harass and threaten your life until you decide to join for safety or protection.

domino4211:
No, no one deserves death. He's saying she just MAY be right that he died during an initiation ceremony he consented to. The word MAY is very important here. Nevertheless, he died as a result of the beatings they gave him, so that on its own is murder and the murderers should be punished.

He cannot consent to anything as he was only 11 and had spent only one term in the school. Even if we are to agree with you that he consented, it was under duress and torture. He had been severely beaten and tortured in the past as confirmed by his father, Sister and even godfather. He was moved to a different Hall to save him from bullying. His bullying had earlier been reported to the school authorities. It was shown that he was beaten severely on his bed now the full glare of other Hall mates. Cult Initiations don't take place in public.

The theory that he MAY have died during cult initiation is bull shit.

Solofresh2:
You talk like you are living in the past.Its like you don't know what this kids are capable of doing nowadays.
Come to my area and you will see little kids doing Yahoo.You need to see children of 9 years and above joining cult in public and government schools
It's well

And you are living in the future. What does little kids doing yahoo have to do with bullying and murder? Now, why will a 9 year old kid join cult? Are are engaging in armed robbery, extortion, drugs or sex?

Solofresh2:
Nigerians are always quick to criticize people even when they know nothing about the incident.
A lot of people bashing this woman here knows nothing about this incident but someone giving info about the incident is Being bashed.
The fact that the boy was bullied and killed doesn't make him a saint either.Who knows if he might have done worst

You are one of those that always find a way to blame the victim.
How do you deem it reasonable that an 11 year old boy that entered secondary school less than 4 months ago agreed to join cult? Does an 11 year old even understand what cultism is? (Even if we assume that aunty kemi is telling the truty).
A boy that has been proven to be serially bullied, a boy that was moved to a different Hall just after one term because of bullying, is the one you are accusing of not being a saint. OK, he is a devil. Are you happy now?

DeepSight:
I see you are the one who has to resort to childish pictures.
Low IQ? You cant even retain a consistent concept of the word "nothingness" or "nothing."

How can we expect you to understand "something?"

You actually write that "objects and particles" are nothing, and expect to be taken seriously, simply because you mention the name of one clown who is "acclaimed" as a scientist.
Go and sleep my brother.

Capital olodo.

A001:
Too many low IQ members on Nairaland who can't understand simple statements written in simple English.

You guys cut it out. Don't spoil this thread. We have been conducting ourselves creditably before now. Don't let us degenerate into insults and intolerance just because of differences in beliefs and opinions like our theist counterparts.

johnydon22:
The universe is not nearly as disorganized as you are passing it out to be, not even remotely.

There is a pattern, there is an order, that is why humans can study the universe and can predict its future. You cannot predict or study randomness, the universe on the other hand is far from being disorganized. It is actually a very ordered place.

Your statement that only a few planets contain life is a very bold one for someone who is a member of a specie that cannot even leave their solar system yet.

And about the earth under constant threat but not yet destroyed, even that is not an accident. The solar system is pretty much stabilized as opposed to its otherwise chaotic past, much like an iron cast cools and stabilizes. Presently, most meteor that make it into the system are pulled in by the gravitational influence of Gas giants like Jupiter and Saturn keeping the interior planets relatively free of meteors, not to talk of life ending collisions.

You are talking like Einstein when he posited "God does not play dice with the universe". He had since been proved to be wrong, as Niels Bohr's quantum theory (randomness) rules on the subatomic scale. No one can predict the future of the universe. All we have are speculations.

The universe is indeed a very random, violent and mysterious place. With stars and galaxies colliding, black holes swallowing up whole galaxies, exploding stars with enough energy to affect the whole galaxy, and then there is the issue of dark energy and matter which makes up over 95% of the observable universe.

I know there might be a few planet out there capable of sustaining life, but I doubt there would be many. Why? Because the conditions for life is so narrow and specific that it can only be present in a highly limited number of stars and planets. For example, the star must be of a certain size and stability to allow life start and evolve, the star must be at a certain distance from its star to allow water exist in 3 states (Water is essential for life) ,the orbit of the planet must not be too eccentric to allow narrow range of temperatures, the planet must have an iron core and be rotating to produce magnetic shield to protect against radiation and high energy particles from its sun. These conditions are numerous and without just one of these conditions being met life cannot start.
Even if we have a few million planets capable of sustaining life, that is still a huge waste of resources considering there are trillions of galaxies each with trillions of suns.

I agree with you that the solar system has stabilized over time and the giant planets, mostly jupiter takes the hits for us. Still I agree with HellVictorinho3 that the earth might have been hit by life eliminating impacts in the past that must has destroyed all of life, and life had to start all over again. There is a theory known as the Giant-impact hypothesis, whereby it is postulated that our moon was created as a result of a huge object colliding with the earth, and breaking a chunk off.

HellVictorinho3:
A mind cannot be so disorganized towards making something as twisted as the universe...



The universe is just another thing.. but it's too twisted to be the work of a mind.

That's true. The universe is a very disorganized, chaotic and wasteful place. I still fail to understand the purpose. Imagine billions and billions of desolate planets with only one or a few with life. And even the few with life always at the risk of annihilation from cosmic debris. The earth has been lucky in that even thought it is always under constant threat, no collision has at yet wiped out all of life.

OLDESTWARRIBOY:


And so?? Malaria kills more than Covid-19. When will they take Malaria serious?.

Why will they take Malaria series? Do malaria infect or kill them? Why can we take Malaria serious and look for our own solution?

We always act like babies with entitlement mentality and expect others to help us solve our own problems.

Ordinary covid vaccine we cannot make and then begin to cry that they refuse to dash us their vaccines.

benalvino3:
Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy: If you "get vaccinated and boosted. You use testing judiciously before you gather, you gather in well-ventilated spaces and use masks whenever you can in public indoor spaces, your risk can be quite low and your holidays can be quite fulfilling.”

With statement like this from the socalled professionals who calls the shots... Why would anyone not be skeptical in taking the jabs?

Even after the vax and boosted, you still have to live like you were not vaxxed at all. What's the point then?

I am honestly getting passed of at you guys. OK what do you suggest we do to contain the virus? Lock down, you guys say no. Get vaccinated, you guys cry foul. Wear masks, you guys start a riot. You attack every professional, authority or government trying to take any action at all towards containing the virus.

You guys are just anarchists. You want to see chaos and people die so you can come back and accuse the governments you hate of not doing enough.

Crystyano:
You were also surprised to learn what you just discovered as false concerning the electric bulb...

I don't understand what you mean. But I learnt that the energy propagated by an electric wire or an electric charge is in the electric field at right angle to the wire and not through the wires itself

What was true is now false to you..

Not necessarily. My understanding of cause and effect changed. Just like my perception of the cause and effects of gravity changed from secondary school to university.

Besides,if you don't really know what an electron is,you shouldn't use the word at all...

Even though we don't know what an electron really is, we can see and measure it's effects, we can see it's interactions with other fundamental particles. We have a string theory among other theories that tries to accurately describe the electron along with other fundamental particles.

If you are not sure of the nature of anything,then you shouldn't say anything at all....

As I said, we perceive and interact with nature. The problem is attempting to understand the nature of what we perceive and interact with.

But I will leave that to you....



I seriously need your financial assistance...... you can ask questions ........ it's do or die...... basically...

Once again. Sorry can't help now.

Crystyano:
The material things without a cause have no beginning...... Actually ,for the things with a cause to exist,..there must be things without a cause...

The material things including the universe with a cause are arrangements of the material things without a cause...


The only immaterial thing without a cause is existence itself...



Existence is beyond your existence.....


Existence is the property of something (unspecific) to exist...,.

There's no limit to the property of something (unspecific) to exist....

There's no limit to things(specific) that exist.....



Anyway, I seriously need your financial assistance..... you can ask any question about my situation..... I need it urgently and seriously...... thanks...

Interesting speculations. I am trying to wrap my head around it.

Sorry, I can't be of assistance right now. I am neck deep, in fact drowning in obligations right now. I have loads of family - both nuclear and extended family obligations.
I also have loads of end of year obligations to staff and clients. You know how it is by this time of the year. I don't even know how I will cope yet. Money don't seem to have any value anymore

I need to add one more stream of income next year to be able to cope. At the moment, I am studying forex trading.

DeepSight:
Saying that we do not know the cause of something is different from saying that therefore, things may be causeless.

I believe that on a more fundamental level, saying a thing is causeless and saying we don't know the cause of a thing means practically the same thing. Because on a fundamental level we don't know the cause of anything. For example we don't know the true nature of the 4 fundamental forces of nature - electromagnetism, gravity, weak and strong force, before we even start talking of what caused them.

There are indeed "things" that are causeless, but those are infinite and eternal "things." Self-existent "things." They are immaterial "things." They are not the "things" of this finite material realm.

The difference between material things and immaterial things is our perception. Things we can perceive with our senses and instruments, we term material, things we cannot we term immaterial. But then ability to measure starts getting complicated on a fundamental level.

Hence I have striven in this thread to advocate agnosticism. I don't know if you have been following the thread: but I came in at at point where a poster was stridently criticizing the agnostic position which simply declares " I don't know." I have been striving in this thread to justify that position as the most honest position we can take. That poster, on the contrary, seeks to assert that while we can be agnostic on existence generally, once it comes to God or gods, we must be positively certain that they do not and cannot exist. I am simply telling him that we must remain agnostic on that too. I have allowed the exception that some religious notions of God can be discountenanced as they are ontologically contradictory.

there is little difference between the agnostic and the atheist. A theist makes the proposition that his God - Thor, Zeus, Allah, Jesus, Yahweh, olodumare, etc is the one true God and creator of the universe. The atheist say it's not possible for any of them to the the creator of the immense universe. The agnostic say he does not know whether any of them is the creator of the whole universe. Some theist argue that one of them or something must have created the universe because the universe can't cause itself. Atheist respond that the first cause must have caused itself. And the argument goes round and round in circles.

Note that the theist God's are always created in the image of it's creator's. Jewish people create Jewish looking gids, Greek people create Greek Gods and Yoruba people create Yoruba Gods. If Dogs were to believe in God, that God will be in the image (and language) of of the breed of Dog that created it.

All this is speculation - and speculation without any grounds for that matter.

Everyone is speculating. We don't know the true nature of matter or the universe. We can only speculate. We don't actually know what gravity is, what electricity is, what electron is, etc. I was surprised just recently to learn that the energy that lights up your light bulb or drive your appliances don't flow inside the wire but in a field perpendicular to the wires.

That whatever begins to exist has a cause (or trigger) only stands to reason. Anything else will amount to advocating magic.

Existence itself is magic

DeepSight:
Fairly straightforward logic good sir: and in this I draw from the premise of the Kalam Cosmological Argument which asserts that whatever begins to exist has a cause. Not only is this intuitively true, it is also self evidently true. A thing which commences, or begins, necessarily is prompted or triggered. And it could not be so prompted or triggered by itself: hence we deduce that it is so prompted or triggered by something beyond itself.

This is all that transcendence here refers to. Something beyond the thing which commences or begins.

You my friend is engaging in what is called Fallacy of False Cause. We don't know that whatever begins to exist has a cause. Even in our real everyday world, we don't know what causes an atom to disintegrate. We don't know what causes the half life of a radioactive element to remain constant. We also don't know what causes a particular atom to decide to disintegrate out of the other billions of atoms.

We don't know the beginning of existence. Scientist have been able to speculate the beginning of this universe, but we have no way of speculating the beginning of everything. The same scientists tell us that this present universe might be just one of a continuous cycle of big bangs and big crunches. And there might even a multiverse (many other universeses)

So your assumption that whatever begins to exist has a cause is pure speculation and might not be true. Therefore your conclusion based on that assumption also might not be true.

Amos1423:
It is quite sad how hypocritical Nigerians are, all over the news these days everyone is talking about just one kid who is probably from a well to do family. Government is getting to talk about it, in fact all a cross the country, this is the trending issue on everyones lip but everyday in this country, children because of one thing or the other gets to die all resulting to poverty, lack of access to good medical facilities but the dowen kid is what everyone is showing pity regardless of the latter. We Nigerians deserve the government we get cause we are just nothing more than them.

A kid was killed during the endsars period and all of a sudden those who were busy advocating for justice all over social media have all gone silent, where then is the hypocrisy not in?

All over the country, kids are suffering, going through child labor, underfed, subjected to abuses but all these has become a norm but because the Dowen kid had access to social media and has enough influence for this to go viral.

How many of us in the different streets we live not see atleast one or two kids are all victims of abuses but we looked away cause it's a norm for poor people to suffer?

How many of us parents here take proper care of our children? When last did your child feel loved by you?

Hypocrites everywhere!!!

People are free to advocate for whatsoever they wish. After all this is a free country. If you are so interested in advocating for poor underfed children dying and suffering, by Jove, start screaming, writing and advocacing for it. People who share same interest will join you.

People who have interest in finding justice for one rich kid also have their right to advocate for such.

You cannot get mad that people are not advocating for your own interests.

othermen:
This is very revealing but it could have been more revealing if the reaction came after the ex-staff of the college had been allowed his submissions.

I doubt the police or the Lagos State investigating panel has called the ex staff to come and make his submissions. When they do, I am sure he will answer.

Attacking him as he was just getting started to reveal the flaws in the school would only discourage him from talking about the rest that may matter.

I agree. But then women are highly emotional beings.

He was not a member of the school management or a member of those in charge of the hostel or the supervision. He was just a staff, who wanted to share what he observed from his own desk.

The emotional outburst from the parent, the rebuke of the fellow would cause other staffs to do quiet.

For this ex-staff, I hope he is willing to appear when he is subpoenaed or ordered to appear as a corroborating witness in the court for the plaintiff.

He sounds like someone who is willing to testify when called upon to. Afterall, I think he came to talk in this zoom meeting without any provocation or benefits.

The college lawyer should also write to him, to intimidate him of an oncoming slaughter of litigation for furthering the case against the school; this will teach others to keep their mouth shut too…while the school management uses it influence in the media to navigate and color the coverage of the incident.

Very unlikely. Unless you think he is telling lies. He must still have his resignation letter stating the reasons he resigned. I am sure he has other collaborating witnesses that witness what went on and has been going on. Many other parents and students would be ready to testify of their own experiences. If the lawyers does that, it would be like shooting themselves in the foot.

Powerexpert:
Last last na out of court settlement I see from this.

It depends on if the case is criminal or civil. The school as a whole might avoid a criminal case, but all individuals directly responsible for the murder would face criminal liability, which cannot be settled out of court.

Emotions are high and I see no reason for the zoom meeting as the case is already in court except if it happened before that.

Which court and what's the case number? The parents came together to share experiences.

The deed has been done. Her outburst is normal going by what she is going through.

It is an eye opener for all parents and I hope the lesson stays put with everyone as we quickly forget and move to the next distraction.

The deed is done. People are awaiting the outcome of the investigations. In the meantime parents are sharing experiences to learn and teach others how to avoid such tragedy in the future.

Maxymilliano:
Obviously there was no discipline in Boys hostel

Obviously the Lagos State Government fails in its responsibility to approve and monitor schools. As these issues had been going on for over decade.

A recently held zoom meeting of parents of students in Dowen College got very emotional when one former teacher revealed that he resigned when he saw the bullying and other problems at the school.

See the emotional video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9edKSQ9q_Q

Oblongata:
My brother seriously it can go any direction. The best is to play safe until investigation is concluded before any call and apologies. Right now every one is watching their every move and these bloggers ain't helping. They can easily twist narrative just for a few traffic.

It can't go either way. Calling someone to console him/her is no admission of guilt in any court in the world. It has no bearing whatsoever on the criminal or civil case.
In fact during the court case, showing human sympathy can sway a judge to either find the school itself not guilty or to reduce punishment even if some of it's officials have been found culpable. It will also swing public opinion in this era of social media, which will help the battered image of the school.