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Ttalk:
OUK was just convicted after 12 years trial for crime he committed over 12 years ago, please tell me the offense of a coupist, if it is treasonable offense, why is the president not being prosecuted for planning for participating in coup that toppled Shagari regime?

You are now dragging a nice thread to childish levels. Please quit these stupid arguments.

A coup is as legitimate as it's success. If a coup is successful, then the government is deemed legal and legitimate. If it fails then it becomes criminal and treasonable. That's the case from Nzeogwu's coup till Abachas coup.
That had been the nature of coups and foreign invasions throughout world history.

Unless you are insinuating all former senior military officers both alive and dead to be prosecuted and killed (those not already dead).

idid:
Please show the part of the law that says that intent is the same as the act itself

Also, please see this 2012 video link below and see what Buhari said about the blood and baboon.

Buhari has also made several statements in bad taste but no one arrested him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcZVwA3WcZU

Are you saying that Buhari and Tinubu should be tried for treason?

Don't forget so many people have primised to bring Nigeria down, why is the government not going after them?

Is this the best you can come up with? Where did Buhari say he is planing a violent change of government? He was talking about the up coming elections. He was reiterating his willingness to participate in the elections and saying he and his supporters will not accept the outcome of a rigged election. If he lost the elections and then called out his supporters to violence, then you will have a point.
You know the fanatical north is violent prone. Buhari just rejecting the results of the elections is enough to spur them to violence as witnessed in the 2011 elections. He doesn't even have to specifically call them to violence.

Now contrast that to sowore who called for a violent change of government and was actually going around organising the change after loosing the elections.

Below is Buhari's statement

idid:
I am not moving anywhere, because you have not opened this thread for the purpose of truth.

Truth will expose you and you will run away from this thread yourself.

Just look at what you saying that the courts are wrong, really! two different judges are wrong to bail someone for which you have filed charges of insulting the President and money laundry.

It is a shame to share a national space with you,

Joker.

Even though I detest the invasion of the courts by DSS, granting Sowore bail is judicial rascality. Treason like other serious crimes like murder and armed robbery is not bailable. The FG should have followed the same law and appeal the bail at the court of appeal. It was wrong of the FG to take the law into its own hands.

idid:
Then you don't know the law,

Under the law, if you have not committed the revolution itself (which is the offense), the law has nothing against you.

Also, what of Buhari, and Tinubu that called for Revolution in 2014?

Why is the government not dealing with them.

The guys from Niger Delta have said many times that they will bring down Nigeria, what has anyone done to done.

This is a callous and selective fight, simple!

You have no idea of what law is. Intent is sometimes viewed as serious as the crime itself. You don't wait until someone is murdered before you arrest someone threatening murder. A mere threat is enough to warrant arrest and investigation, and if it was discovered that the person has clear intent and means of commuting murder, he can be locked up.

Provide link where Tinubu or Buhari threatened to change the government by revolution, violence or any unconstitutional means.

Yes the guys from Niger delta threatened to bring down Nigeria? how? By disrupting crude oil production, not by attempting to change the government unconstitutionally.

nku5:
If this all the FG has on Sowore then it's not enough to convict him with. Sowore just miscalculated. The climate of freedom enjoyed under GEJ really gassed him up.

Buhari no send you. Even if they can not prove Sowore had real plans to remove the government they will just embroil him in the judicial process as payback for misyarning

Which freedom enjoyed under GEJ. You guys will forever wail GEJ's election loss, even when GEJ and his people have since moved on.

If sowore called for an unconstitutional change of government during GEJ's time, he would been cooling his heels in prison.
If any US citizen boasts he will bundle Trump out of office, while holding rallies for a revolution, the FBI and secret service would have dealt with him.

Emmanes:
bros y not go and check and confirm if wat he said abt d sultan is true or not and stop dis backbiting

You guys are something else. You make a stupendous claim and ask people that doubt to confirm the claim, when you present zero evidence. Does that sound logical?

How do you want him to confirm the claim? Go to sokoto and ask the sultan if it's true?

EMILO2STAY:
if in all honesty you really think that was a debunking, then you are just as gullible as I think you to be rockets don't have brakes. The people who sent it up have no reason to stop it mid air. Rockets don't stop suddenly when going at that speed. Even cars with brakes don't stop immediately. The rocket made an impact and the sound could be heard when it suddenly stopped. If you believe the ball earther propaganda video then I am not surprised why you believe the ball earth theory

You need serious psychological evaluation, your mind seems trapped in an alternative reality. The person that posted the the original video explained with proof why the rocket suddenly stopped spinning and looked like it stopped, yet your mind is unable to accept it.

Here is the person that posted the original video and his explanation of what happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnUj88ZNqa0

Area4Area:
The Igbo man has not cleared the mess in his state but rather prefer cleaning that of other people, una no dey get shame?
Igbo Christians and Jews sef, no commonsense

E surprise me too o. Igbo man never clean the mess in his state, local government or even his family, e wan clean mess for Nigeria.

EMILO2STAY:
the video was debunked? By who, the go pro 2014 rocket launch went 73 miles up hit a barrier and stopped. 73 miles up and the moon was seen at the dark side of the earth which was impossible to be seen on a globe earth.

It was very clear the rocket hit a barrier, if you want to live in denial then be my guest

Yes, the video has been debunked. Even the person who posted the video who happens to be a flat earther debunked his own video. People thought the rocket hit something because the rocket suddenly stopped spinning, and the rocket stopped spinning because of a stabilisation mechanism installed by the manufacturer. It was all explained by the person that posted the video. The rocket was eventually recovered and there was no evidence of it hitting anything.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM7geqbqe8s

EMILO2STAY:
see you are just running in circles. You asked me to post videos to confirm what I did said, I did now your saying they are someone else's opinion. My question still stand, how do those videos go against my words?

You said there is a video of a rocket hitting an invisible barrier when someone tried to launch a rocket into space, I asked you to show video proof, you posted a proof of an amateur rocket attempting but failing to launch into space. I answered that the video is untenable because an amateur rocket cannot beat the Earth's gravity and launch into space, because it takes huge velocity (11km/s) to break the Earth's gravity. NASA's rocket has 3 different rockets to launch into space. The 3 fuel tanks as high as a five story building. The space capsule to be launched into space sits atop the fuel tanks. That's why each space launch costs tens if not hundreds of millions.
That video has been debunked.
What I am saying is you can used videos to support your opinion, but not make the videos the opinion

Below is the rocket for launching the apollo capsule into space.

Simplyleo:
Sultan owns 23 oil wells?

The funny thing is that his ipob pigs believe him.

After all, as far those ipob illiterates are concerned, the president is one jubrin from Sudan.

Kanu is good at plucking the brains of his illiterate following by falsehood and innuendos, without the need to present any proof.

Government does not allocate oil Wells, they allocate oil blocks. Once you have been allocated an oil block, you can dig as many wells as you like. If you like you can dig 1000 oil wells. It's just like digging a water bore hole.

Besides, foreign oil companies (IOCs) account for over 70% of Nigeria's oil production (shell alone account for about 50%), so all the indigenous oil companies do not account for up to 30%. So this narrative that northerners own 90% of Nigeria's oil is false.

EMILO2STAY:
how does the videos I posted to you go against what I said they were?

Because the videos are someone else's opinion, and there are millions of videos on YouTube with hundreds of opinions. I want to debate your own opinion and understanding. It would be counter intuitive for us to be debating a subject using other people's videos. It is ok to post videos to provide source and to further explain your opinions, but to base the argument other other people's opinion is not acceptable.

Besides, most people don't like following links outside this site.
Why is it so difficult for you to summarise your opinion of the what you understand from the video? Sometimes people have different understanding of the same evidence or source.

So much exactly is in income so we can calculate what 60% amount to?

Then how much of that income is paid as income tax?

EMILO2STAY:
you should answer mine instead if you really came to teach

Oya what is your 1st question? I have some time this morning, I work only half day.

EMILO2STAY:
ohh really, so the videos were saying something different from what I said they were right? Tell me another joke

Stop whithering like a snake on an oiled marble floor. Answer the questions and start debunking.

Unless you want me to post the whole cosmos series for you to watch.

On second thought here is episode 1 of carl Sagan's cosmos series;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfCc7ZJjHiM

I grew up on them in the 80's. It was what made me interested in astronomy.

EMILO2STAY:
are you just waking up from your slumber? After watching the videos I gave you. Now you finally admit I am your teacher or lecturer

Well I don't get paid for this like lecturers do so i don't have the time to keep repeating myself.

You debunked by posting videos? You have been boasting that YOU have debunked all globe earth theories, and you now say you posted videos to watch. Are you the one that made the videos? It seems to do not even understand the videos you posted. You think people will have the time to watch some useless videos and then immediately believe whatever is said there in.

Maybe I should post long videos also as a response to your videos.

If you had any idea of what your videos are talking about, you would have taken each point and debunked them as you understand.

EMILO2STAY:
you are indeed a Jonny just come pls go through my threads and learn. I have debunked all these and can't go through them again.

What have your debunked? If you know he is jonny just come, why not debunk them once again and answer his questions? Many other jonny just comes will stumble across this thread in the future. Have you ever heard a lecturer tell a new student, that he had already taught the topic, and so should look for his past notes or book?

Oya debunk his questions once again;
Explain how the north and south poles sometimes have endless days or nights with flat earth model.

Why can't I see the burj khalifa in Dubai from where I stand? Or mount everest?

Explain how a lunar\solar eclipse works with a flat earth model.

How come you are talking about photoshop when the first picture of the earth from spa ce was taken in 24 October 1946 - https://cosmosmagazine.com/space/the-first-photograph-of-earth-taken-from-space

In addition debunk these;
What is the shape of the moon - flat or round, and how far away is it?

What is the shape of the sun - flat or round, and how far away is it?
What is the shape of all other objects in the sky or the universe? - Flat or round?

Are you insinuating that we are living in a 2 dimensional world?

Which physics model account for the sun, moon and all the other objects in the sky rising in the East and setting in the west over a 12 hour period? Where do they go for the other 12 hours when we don't see them?

Oya Mr. debunker, start debunking.

obixcel:
oh..sorry dear, It's always the Russians to blame... Oh look! The Russians are coming!! run for cover

It's not me or the Democrats that blamed the Russians, it's all the intelligence agencies in the US.

Intelligence Chiefs 'Stand More Resolutely' Behind Finding Of Russia Election Hacking

Intelligence agency leaders repeated their determination Thursday that only "the senior most officials" in Russia could have authorized recent hacks into Democratic National Committee and Clinton officials' emails during the presidential election.

Director of National Intelligence James Clapper affirmed an Oct. 7 joint statement from 17 intelligence agencies that the Russian government directed the election interference
https://www.npr.org/2017/01/05/508355408/intelligence-chiefs-stand-more-resolutely-behind-finding-of-russia-election-hack

obixcel:
Suck it

Trump can only become president of a country like the US, where the media (and the Russians ) hold sway. In the UK, France and even China, a neophyte with zero experience in government (apart from numerous failed businesses), with many criminal allegations, can never rise to be a councillor, not to talk of a president or prime minister.

The quality of the US president had been going down for about 2 decades. From an actor (Ronald Reagan) to Bush senior (at least he was CIA director ) to Clinton, then to Bush junior (spoilt brat that used his father's influence) to Obama ( even Obama had just about 7 years experience as a senator with zero executive experience). To me the worst is Trump.

In the near future, these series of bad executive and general political leadership will take a toll on US. Forget the stock market and strong economy. It's the result of decades of momentum that is eventually slowing down. US infrastructure is not improving, the education is not improving, foreign expertrates that drive a significant part of technology and the economy are being driven out by Trump. It's only a matter of time before all these bad decisions will start taking a toll.

coluka:
Liberal's delusions have collided with reality in the UK and their lamentations have begun. Let the sweet tears flow

Congrats Boris Johnson, you did it!!!

You want to compare Boris Johnson with your dump racist criminal? You want to compare the Republican party controlled by nazis, white supremacists and religious bigots with the British conservative party? The difference are as clear as day and night.

Boris Johnson is a brilliant politician with decades of experience.
Boris Johnson have very little scandal (only his tumultuous love life) to his name.
Boris Johnson has zero crime allegations to his name. His taxes are intact.

All the polls predicted a conservative win, so no surprise here. The labour party did not have a clear message. Jeremy Corbyn was drab and uninspirational. I wonder why he has not resigned. As much liberal as I am, I did not find the labour party and Jeremy Corbyn inspirational.

Na was o, you people need to write your own bible so you can write whatever doctrine you wish to propagate.

poik:
I wonder what Bible you are quoting.

Thats the problem we are having with all of these deliberate translations to suit people's whims, but God has no hand in.

That portion says except for FORNICATION, not sexual immorality, in the KIng James that i know.

Here is the original king James version of Matthew 19:9;
"And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication , and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery"
Now explain to me how you put away your wife for fornication.

Meaning that you can put away your wife for the things she did with her body before she met you, and she refused to disclose to you before the consummation of the marriage, not what she did after the both of you are married.

Where did you get this your doctrine? Certainly not from the bible. No where in the bible did it say you can put away your wife for the things she did with her body before she met you, just because she did not disclose all her body count.
I wonder how it even makes sense. You married a lady and 10 years later you discovered she had one or even numerous boyfriends in school whom she had slept with (Mind you, you did not meet her a virgin). You then go to your church and demand a divorce from in your church and court, citing Matthew 19:9 as justification. You pastor will think you are crazy.

That is why at repentance we confess our sins in our past life to Christ our husband, before He takes us in, and we take his surname in baptism, of course the correct way, by immersion in deep waters in the name of Jesus Christ.

Bullshit, very misogynistic. What about the husband? Does he also need to confess all his past sins to his intended wife? When you marry, you marry as is, the past is in the past.

You put your wife away because she cheated on you, you become an adulterer.

Is that so? You congratulate and encourage your wife to cheat? So what happens if your wife is pregnant for another man?

poik:
But I will not fail as well to inject that a man has no right to put away his WIFE because she cheated. I'm talking Scripture now. What God values in practical terms is MARRIAGE and not this excuse to fornicate called dating.

Which scriptures are you talking? Definitely not the bible. Maybe the bhagavad gita.
Here is the bible quote concerning divorce as it relates to cheating by women.

Matthew 19:9
" And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery"

Now if you are having difficulty understanding the king James version, here is the New living translation;
Matthew 19:9
"And I tell you this, whoever divorces his wife and marries someone else commits adultery— unless his wife has been unfaithful "

jmaxjohn:
Butterscotch92 you must've heard lots of hurtful things here. Dm me for something insightful, some wise help.

That's the beauty of the Nigerian, they can be brutally honest. They don't super coat issues to make you feel good.

I hope Butterscotch92 takes the good and the bad advice and learn how to be a better person. She should never let her emotions override reason in the future. She should learn to be strong and take charge of her emotions, and never allow others to manipulate her emotionally.

IprintMONEY:
i forgave her because i was always away. and on some occasions, we had little issues and i told her its over . so mr, i am not contradicting myself. if i was around and she did it , i will see it differently. roger that?

I recognise and respect the fact that people react in different ways to the same circumstances. I know some men that their wives cheat openly and to their face and they still accept their wives, while with people like me once is more than enough (except in extraordinary circumstances). I don't cheat and I don't tolerate cheating.
Different Men has different tolerances to cheating.

Even during my playing days, I define myself relationships. If it's exclusive, I don't cheat during the relationship.

The fact that you are always away is not enough grounds for cheating. Circumstances change during relationships and marriage. I had been away from home for 6 months and I would not have tolerated my wife cheating based on my long absence. I know couples whose husband is abroad ( USA, UK and Dubai ) and they come home once in 2 or 3 years. That's does not give the wives the excuse to cheat.

Apart from the obvious misogynistic and egocentric issues, cheating by women have other negatives. The most obvious and damaging being the paternity of the children. A man doubting the paternity of a child can have serious consequences on the child and family, even if it was eventually confirmed by a DNA test. It is also psychologically damaging for a man to learn later that a child he invested so much financially and emotionally is not his blood.

Myhusband:
sex you inside the car means you're a mere sex slave. no sane man deserved to end up with you

but what happened to our girl child, these emanating promiscuity is becoming too much


the guy will be so foolish to forgive you

Thats the sad part of the whole episode, inside a car at the corner of a road or field, three times. That's cheap. It would have even been better if it was inside a 5 star hotel.

IprintMONEY:
nigerians overate sex. my present fiancee cheated on me 3 times and i took her back. yes there is possiblity that she might cheat again because i am always out of the country. but since i have made up my mind to be back here full time, if that happens again, i will dumb her. the fact that you are the one that told him should make him trust you more, but like women say, men are scums.

You are now contradicting yourself, your fiancée cheated on you 3 times and you forgave her, so why not forgive her the 4th time or the 10th time since sex is overrated and you are very forgiven, afterall as a Christian, you should never tire of forgiving.

She told him because he became suspicious of their phone conversations, she did not tell him of her own violation after the incidences. She was still cheating with the guys (although not sexually), by talking with him on the phone.

Butterscotch92:
I know I deserve all the bashing I'm receiving here and more. But I wonder why it's very difficult for most to believe that I'm actually repentant about the whole thing. I know I really hurt my man which is part of my pain. I can never repeat such action no matter the circumstances with what I've learnt and I believe if I am lucky enough to get a second chance I'll be a much better version of myself and be forever grateful. It happened in the car because I wouldn't have agreed to follow him elsewhere by then it would be premeditated. I rejected every of his attempt to meet him anywhere else. Those were moments of weakness although it cannot be justified.

That's the problem with Nigerians in general - taking full responsibility for our actions and trying to somehow justify our failings.

You messed up big time and your excuse is untenable. "It happened in the car because I wouldn't have agreed to follow him elsewhere by then it would be premeditated" let's even agree that the first time was not premeditated and it happened at the spur of the moment when you were emotionally vulnerable, what of the second and third time? We're you sayings those other times were not premeditated? Believe me, if it was only one time, one could excuse you by saying you were scared, confused or not in your senses, but you went back again and again. And to make matters worse, the guy kept calling you until your man became suspicious. Even after all the Bleep ups, you should have cut off all relationships with your colleagues except for official duties, and threatened to report him to his wife and the police if he persisted in harassing you.

It's going to be very difficult for him to accept you back, most guys can't get over such betrayals for life. Maybe reset the relationship to default. Start out being friends again, try and build trust from the beginning.

coluka:
Horowitz tells Sen. Leahy he did not find evidence of political bias in starting Crossfire Hurricane.

Horowitz notes it's reasonable for people to look at the 17 errors against Page as merely gross incompetence and not obvious bias.

My opinion: I find it hard to believe FBI made 17 'Errors' and all the 'Errors' went one way--against Page/Trump. I've read of many many MANY dozens of "mistakes" by FBI/DOJ officials and every single one of them was in a direction harmful to Trump. What are the odds?

You people know how to make a mountain out of a mole Hill. Granted that errors were made in the FISA warrant and the FISA process had always been problematic with accusations of abuse by critics, the report did not find any malicious intent on the part of the FBI towards the Trump campaign. That is the conclusion of the report no matter how to slice, dice or twist it. No crime was committed by FBI officials.
It's is similar to the "Russia hoax" as you guys like to call it. Although it is proven that Russia interfered in the 2016 elections in favour of Trump, it could not be proved that Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russians.

If you say FBI was working against trump, then what do you want Hillary Clinton to say. The FBI announcing reopening the email investigations a week to elections, after numerous investigations by the house and FBI itself had found no crime was committed. Till today Hillary blames the FBI for her loss.

You cannot push numerous outlandish conspiracy theories, the problem is finding or manufacturing evidence to support them.

obixcel:
@Bolded Actually On the Contrary, what most people understand is that this impeachment was planned long before Trump took his oath of office. The Dems already made up their minds and moved in for the kill the moment they took over the House in 2018.

Is that the defense of the Republicans over the allegations against trump? Can a defence of "the prosecutions hates me" exonerate you from the crime? The Democrats accuse Trump of abuse of power, by blackmailing the Ukrainian president to announce an investigation into the Bidens and to publicly admit that they (rather than the Russians) interfered in the 2016 US elections. The Democrats presented their evidence (witness statements from diplomats involved with Ukraine and some officials of the state department ). Why not Republicans counter the witness statements and bring their own witnesses from the state department? Why always distracting from the subject matter, they hate Trump, Joe Biden is corrupt, whistleblower is a spy, Adam Schiff is planing a coup with Pelosi, the hearing are flawed because it's was done in secret, then the hearing is unfair because it is now done in the open, and all sorts of stupid excuses except the abuse of office allegations itself.
The Republicans hated Obama as much as the Democrats hated Trump, and at one time, the Republicans controlled both sides the house and the senate. Why not bring up a single allegation against Obama?
You guys keep forgetting that what goes around comes around. If as you guys are saying that there are no limits to executive power, then one day - whether in 2020 or 2024, the Democrats would control the white house. You guys will have no right to complain if a Democratic president further extends executive powers and become dictatorial.

Laurene:
keep watching... But I hope Pelosi steps downs or resigns if she fails to oust trump outta office. I hope you don't disappear when trump succeeds against all odds.
No American president has been removed from office instead it will go on and on in the judiciary ( like Andrew Johnson). Whoever controls the senate controls the impeachment. Trump maybe impeached but will never be removed from office.

I am surprised at the level of intelligence of Trump supporters. No wonder Trump administration is defunding education. It takes people without critical thinking ability to worship a human being as a diety.

Pelosi steps down for carrying out constitutional duties? To impeach a president is within the constitutional duties of the house and neither Pelosi or any of the Democrat house members is required to resign, whether it succeeds or not.

It is not the duty of the house to remove a president, that's the responsibility of the senate. The house duties stops at impeachment. Impeachment is a sort of indictment, it is the senate that would indict. This would not be the first time the house would impeach but the senate refuses to remove.

janettee:
Isn't it modern day slavery if your passport is seized by your employer?

This is the one that is quite annoying, why should an employer seize an employee's passport? The passport is the property of your home country, another person (especially a foreigner) has no right to hold it, not to talk of keeping it. This itself is slavery, or prisoner.

Nigerian government should look into this case, where a Nigerian passport is seized by foreigners (without a court order ) as a violations of Nigeria's sovereignty.

What happens if your walk into the Nigerian consulate in Dubai and complain that you have lost your passport or that your passport has been seized and you want to travel home, are they not obliged to provide you with a temporary travel document just to get you home?

Here is Trump's tweet after the terrorist attack by a Saudi at Pensacola naval base in Florida.

King Salman of Saudi Arabia just called to express his sincere condolences and give his sympathies to the families and friends of the warriors who were killed and wounded in the attack that took place in Pensacola, Florida....
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1203030938663428103?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-20919458754048406889.ampproject.net%2F1911191835190%2Fframe.html[/quote]Trump became the spokesman for the Saudi kingdom.

Now imagine the terrorist attack was carried out by a Syrian, an Iranian or even a Libyan.

The worse is if it was carried out by a Mexican immigrant, Ewooo. . Trump would have proposed building a dome to cover the whole of the US instead of just a wall.