₦airaland Forum

Lush100:
That the US economy has always been the great is not true.

I had a slight exaggeration; the US has been the greatest economy for 100 years and not 150 as previously stated. The US became the world's dominant economy after WW1 - https://eh.net/encyclopedia/the-u-s-economy-in-the-1920s/

Well i want to say is from a political point of view ( when u consider most politicians don't usually fulfill their manifestos they roll out during campaign) Trump has practically done almost all he promised to do.

There is usually a huge difference between campaign promise and actually bring those promises to fruition. During campaign politicians tell people what they want to hear ie, I will build roads, I will build walls, I will give free medicals, they are usually thin on the hows. When they get to office, they soon realize that most of those promises are unrealistic or even undesirable. It would have even been easier in a dictatorship, but in a democracy, a president cannot take decisions (especially spend money) unilaterally.

in my view the only thing the common man can gain from any government is an improved and vibrant economy; and to me this is objective enough

The US economy had been vibrant since the 2008 economic crisis. In fact Obamas economic performance is more than Trump's in relative terms.

If you like we can compare economic indices between Obama years and Trump years and see which tops.

Nearly all politicians are going to:
abuse and or take advantage of power attached to their office,
appoint close friends and political/party associates in their cabinet.
leverage on their resources of their offices to get wealthy
put their family in advantage position for years to come.
Pelosi is doing same, Joe Biden did the same, Clinton did the same( the respect Bill Clinton because of the economy and i don't respect G . Bush because of the economy), and Trump is doing the same.

Yes agreed politicians abuse their powers to certain extent, but it should be within limits. It is wrong to give your daughter and daughter in law senior political positions ,having zero experience in government or politics. It's like Buhari appointing Zahra and her husband into senior position in Aso Rock. I am sure most Nigerians would kick against it.

If all politicians do it, then why are Trump and his supporters behaving as if Hunter Biden being a board member of a private company halal or harakiri. I am yet to understand the actual crime Hunter Biden is accused of.

Therefore the only yardstick i use to measure a good government is the economy.
that is why till tomorrow, I will always respect OBJ as far as Nigeria presidents are concerned.
he was better than all the rest as far as the economy is concerned. Did he steal money ?Yes. but Sir, that is irrelevant as far as the common man is concerned.

OBJ tried, but he too failed. He failed to improve infrastructure ;and no country can improve in the long term without infrastructure. He spent $16 billion on power and he did not improve the power sector. He imposes Yar'adua, a known dying man on us, plunging Nigeria into an avoidable crisis.

obixcel:
Very strong one So if anyone says "The US economy is great" Does that translate to the individual worshipping Trump? See how nonsensical that sounds? Liberals are just nuts in their thinking...nothing ever makes dem happy.

The US economy had always been great, in fact the US economy has been the world greatest economy for the past 150 years.

I know Trump gives you your daily bread. Trump makes the moon and sun shine. Trump gives you anything you pray of him. Afterall, you guys compare Trump to Jesus.

obixcel:
Bruh! He didn't even mention the name, Trump, in his comment - It was you who did in your response. Cure yourself from dis TDS before you cross over to the new year. Your time starts now

That's all garetz ever talks about. He worships Trump more than a Muslim worships Allah in a day.

garetz:
[s][/s]

Symptoms of TDS

Symptoms of MAGA

garetz:
Saturday was the biggest day in U.S. retail history.

Total sales: $34.4B

Holiday shopping set records over the weekend, with Super Saturday sales reaching $34.4 billion, the biggest single day in U.S. retail history.

Job growth and fatter wallets, along with stronger household finances, have put consumers in a buying mood this season.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2019-12-23/super-saturday-shopping-sets-one-day-sales-record-analyst-says

So what? Just one Chinese company - Alibaba sold $38 billion in turnover on November 11 this year. - Singles Day sales for Alibaba top $38 billion, breaking last year's record - https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/11/10/tech/singles-day-sales-alibaba/index.html

Even jumia and Konga posted record sales in this year's Black friday.

You guys worship Trump so much that you can even say it is Trump that makes the sun rise in the morning.

[quote author=wwwihy post=85158383][/quote]Is the above the stadium?
Maybe the fans expected to watch matches in this stadium are fishes and other marine animals.

Timbuktuo:
So, basically the ‘plaintiffs’ could not prove their case beyond reasonable doubt, aka, Not Guilty of collusion.

Obstruction is another kettle of fish which is irrelevant to delve into. Basically, the Mueller camp did not find Trump guilty of collusion. After investigations and trials, there is either a conviction or an acquittal and Grump was acquitted.

If you and your goons feel Trump colluded you’re free to pursue the matter in court. But as far as I am concerned Trymp has been exonerated

How can the plaintive prove the case beyond reasonable doubt When the defendant refuse to come to court, refuse to allow witnesses to testify and refuse to hand over evidence in its possession. It's like murder suspect refusing to come to court to testify, refuse to allow actual witnesses to come to court to testify and keeps the murder weapon in his cupboard, but refuses to hand it over to the police. He then shouts "no evidence of murder" when the prosecution says they don't have enough evidence to prove murder beyond reasonable doubt.

lexy2014:
Let me begin by bringing to ur attention a contradiction in ur piece. In fact it is one of several which I had in one of my previous post made known to u.



How can u not be disputing something yet u say that d same thing u aren't disputing is in contention?



B4 u call something "junk" or "trash", u should be able to provide info that negates what u call "junk" or "trash". 4d fact that u use those words to qualify d info I provided from Wikipedia doesn't validate what u have said that it is junk/trash & it doesn't prove that u are more knowledgeable than d authors in Wikipedia. What will validate ur claim that d info I lifted from Wikipedia is junk/trash, is when u provide superior argument backed up by facts. So far, u have fallen short over& over again. As far as science is concerned, d info I provided from Wikipedia remains valid until u can prove otherwise & am certain that u can't.

Now ur excuse that my answers is d motivation u need to substantiate ur claims is an escapist ploy which those who make baseless claims employ in order to save face. A millions answers from me can't help ur case. Do u no why? because u have nothing.

Once again u insisted that:



As I have asked several times, I ask again. Can u pls quote d law in d US that supports ur assertion? Obviously u can't because no such law exists. Like I also noted earlier, if such a law exists, it is a contradiction of d Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act. But u refused to openly accept that fact. I also provided u graphical evidence to show u d distribution of d legality of polygamous marriages around d world. But u seem to no more than d guys at wikipedia even though u cant prove it. But funny enough and characteric of u, u unwittingly contradicted urself when u said:



I wish u could help me answer ur question urself. So how do u want me to take u serious when u don't even no what u are saying?

With regards to your questions, in my last post, I called them "considerably unimportant" and pedestrian. D reason isn't far fetched. I tried providing u analogies to help ur understanding. Let's try it again.



D existence of a law criminalising an activity or activities doesn't in anyway mean that people will automatically cease from engaging in such activities. And for people to engage in those activities even though they haven't been punished doesn't mean that those people are operating within d law.

Whether d govt chooses to enforce a law or s frequency of enforcement doesn't in anyway mean d law doesn't exist. If in ur opinion d law isn't potent, doesn't negate d existence of d law. Is it every crime breaker in d US that is jail?

In terms of d potency of d law, pls read d following. I sent it to u b4 from Wikipedia but ur emotions beclouded ur sense of judgement. Now u are taking us back, asking questions even when d answers were right b4 ur eyes.


"United States: Polygamy is illegal in all 50 states[93] as well as federally according to the Edmunds Act. From about 1847 to 1857, in what is now the state of Utah, many Mormons practiced polygamy, which was widely condemned in the rest of the US. The US federal government threatened The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) and made polygamy illegal through the enforcement of Acts of Congress such as the Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act".

Am sure u can see d word "enforcement" in d above. Start from where it says "The US government...".

Whether u choose to reply me or not is ur choice. Am not expecting much from u cos like I noted several times b4, u have run out of things to say

It's obvious you are arguing purely on emotional religious lines. You are failing to accept the fact that polygamy is practiced in the full public glare and the so called anti polygamy law is unenforceable.

I had lots of lawyer friends in my undergraduate days. They also told me that the bigamy laws in Nigeria is useless. It a law that's only on paper, it's unenforceable. It's very difficult to regulate what people do in the privacy of their own homes.

Read this report;

Is Polygamy Illegal in the United States

Over the last few years there have been a number of television shows regarding the polygamist lifestyle. This has led some to wonder whether polygamy may be legal anywhere in the U.S. It also raises questions about why bigamy is outlawed and whether this is a trend that may be changing.

Currently, every state has a law outlawing polygamy. Additionally, the federal government has several laws that also criminalize the act of being married to more than one person. Enforcement of these laws is relatively difficult given the often secretive nature of many polygamists and the fact that most will have only one marriage on paper. As a result, many of these laws attempt to target those who cohabit with more than one member of the opposite sex. But, these laws are problematic given the increase in those who may have multiple roommates of mixed genders.

Many of these laws arose in the 19th Century, often in response to what was seen as a
moral threat posed by Mormonism. Because many of these laws are based on purely moral grounds , they are increasingly subject to challenge in the courts using similar arguments as those that have been used to decriminalize homosexual acts and legalize same-sex marriages.

More recently, a federal judge ruled that the language used in Utah's anti-bigamy laws were too vague to be enforceable. They were once based on the notion that people of opposite genders would not cohabit without engaging in a committed romantic relationship akin to marriage. But the modern realities are very different, leaving such laws anachronistic, an invasion of the privacy of those targeted with prosecution, a violation of their First and Fourteenth Amendment rights, and unconstitutional both as written and applied.
https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/is-polygamy-illegal-in-the-united-states-31807

What of Saudi Arabia? Saudi Arabia that ban Christians and churches and suppress women.
Thought their name would come before Nigeria.

lexy2014:
Now there's nothing to contest & I guess u just remembered that d thread is about gay & not polygamy. But here u are saying this:



U seem to have run out of things to say. Nobody is contesting whether there are polygamous families or not. D question is whether it is legal or not. But in ur argument, u said d legality of polygamy is contingent on d issuance of marriage licenses. But in d end u couldn't prove where that provision was made for in d Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act.

Also, d thread isn't just about gay issue. It reflects d hypocrisy of d US ambassador & d US govt that criminalises polygamy but at d same criticises African countries for criminalising homosexuality. Whether Americans throw people in jail or not, polygamy is a criminal offense which jail time is attached to. And this is what has discouraged many from practicing it in d US since d 19th century

You are just arguing here and there without any real logic. You are harping "polygamy is a criminal offense in the US" and so many families are displaying their polygamous lives on TV and on YouTube without anyone going to jail.
Sister Wives has been running for 15 years and non of the wives or husband is in jail.
The family even took the state of Utah to court over the legality of the state's polygamy laws, which they believe is against their rights. Although the courts dismissed the case, it did not called for them to be jailed.
Here is what the court said in its ruling;

The Tenth Circuit concluded that because local Utah prosecutors had a policy of not pursuing most polygamy cases in the absence of additional associated crimes (e.g., welfare fraud or marriage of underage persons), the Browns had no credible fear of future prosecution and thus lacked standing.

You seem to have personal hatred for polygamy (and Homosexuality), but that's your personal problem. Others have been practising it in the open, even in the US without fear of going to jail.

KanuSE:
There are polygamous families in the US.

The percentage of Americans who find polygamy to be morally acceptable has more than doubled since 2001, according to new results of a Gallup survey tracking opinions on key moral issues since the early 2000s. In 2001, only 7 percent of Americans deemed polygamy morally acceptable. Now, 16 percent say they do not find it objectionable.

Is polygamy a serious contender for the next moral and constitutional marriage debate in the United States? Will the legalization of same-sex marriage actually open the door for plural marriage as some of its opponents have argued, or is there a limit to polygamy’s seemingly meteoric rise in acceptability?


Polygamy is still far from popular but support for the practice is gathering quiet momentum and its moment could arrive sooner than anticipated. Writing for The New York Times last weekend, conservative columnist Ross Douthat predicted that polygamy could be legalized in the United States as soon as 2040, given the rate of change in its acceptance.

Rough estimates place the polygamous population in the U.S. somewhere between 50,000 and 100,000 people, chiefly in Muslim and fundamentalist Mormon families. Basic moral acceptance from 15 percent of Americans does not necessarily translate into political advocacy for an extremely small population that already exists on the religious margins of the U.S.
- https://www.thedailybeast.com/polygamy-is-more-popular-than-ever

lexy2014:
U are more than scared to acknowledge d existence of laws in d US that prohibits polygamy. Have u ever heard of d Morril Anti-Bigamy act?

There are laws that prohibits polygamy in Nigeria too. So what?
The keyword here is LEGALLY . If you have gone to any Nigeria registry to marry, your will be warned never to marry another wife legally.

lexy2014:
U avoided answering these questions:

Are u aware that polygamy is criminalised in d US d same way homosexuality is criminalised in Zambia? Does d US ambassador to Saudi Arabia bother himself with how Saudi Arabia treats homosexuals?

False.
You can marry multiple wives in the US as long as you don't have multiple marriage license.

You cannot marry 2 women through the courts in Zambia and collect 2 marriage licences also, but you can marry one woman through the courts and marry 20 through customary marriage.

Eddy000:
I knew someone will toll this line when the issue of incest comes up and you didn't disappoint.
Replace incest with homosexuality in those statements of yours and you will see how it also fit in. The case of incest destroying the basis of the society is also true for homosexuality as the end result for both is continuous decrease in the population of a society.

Different results. No comparison at all between incest and Homosexuality. Incest produces genetically deflective and weak offsprings, Homosexuality produces no offsprings. It's like barrenness, it produces no offsprings.

Homosexuality results in decrease in population? That's taking your imagination too far? It's is infertility, barrenness and career women who starts having kids late (that is if they have kids at all), that can be responsible for decrease in population. Actually, Africa and the world actually need a decrease in population right now. Prior to the last 70 years, the countries of the world were always at war, with millions killed. Also prior to the last century, diseases like malaria, leprosy, flu, and plagues decimated human population. Now, all these are no more.

How many percent of the world population (even in the west) claim to be exclusively homosexual, majority are bi-sexual.

xpool:
Your submissions are to weak to attract my attention. But I will to the bolded to help you take a walk.
So you care about procreation?
So you are concerned that abnormal sexual act like incest brings infinitesimally weak offsprings; then I ask you, WHAT TYPE OF OFFSPRING DOES HOMOSEXUALITY BRING?

Homosexuality has no chance of producing offsprings. Sexual acts is not only for procreation, unless you are insinuating that people should have sex only a few times in their lifetimes.

Homosexuality can act as some of population control mechanism.

lexy2014:
According to d story u shared, some women went to court. Can u pls state d reason they went to court?

This is the full report;

A federal judge ruled late Friday that a key section of Utah law criminalizing polygamy is unconstitutional, granting multi-spouse families the right to live together without facing arrest, so long as they do not acquire multiple marriage licenses.

U.S. District Court Judge Clark Waddoups ruled Utah's criminalization of cohabitation violated the due process and First Amendment religious freedom rights of the Brown family, which includes husband Kody Brown and his four wives.

The Browns are fundamentalist Mormons and the stars of TLC show "Sister Wives." They chose to leave their home in Lehi, Utah, after local police and prosecutors launched an investigation into their lifestyle in 2010. Before moving to Las Vegas, a deputy Utah County attorney said, "The Browns have definitely made it easier for us by admitting to felonies on national TV."

The Brown family's attorney, George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley, praised the ruling as a landmark in the legal history of individual rights.

You guys use stupid analogies to push your religious believes on others

xpool:
Consent and mutuality do not establish bases for legality. Brother and sister, mother and son, father and daughter who are all adults can engage in consensual sex, yet it is called incest taboo.

Incest is frowned upon, because it can destroy the very basis of society. An incestuous society will eventually become a weak and unhealthy society, ie ancient Egypt. Incest was one of the reason for the demise of ancient Egyptian civilization.
Even people breeding animals make sure to avoid Incest.

A married man or woman can have sex with partners who are not their spouses, it encouraged by you?

So. This has been happening before human history, this is happening today and it will happen in the future - nothing you can do about it.

An adult can chose to walk nude to his office, ask lawyers the offence he committed. Two normal adults can decide to tgo to he market or any public place and have sex in broad daylight, I hope you can accept that since it is consensual.

These infringe on the sensibilities of the public. Your rights stops where others starts.

Homosexuality s abnormal, gays are people with special needs, they need clinical psychologists.

To you it is abnormal, to others it can be normal. Are you a psychologist or even a gay to know the psychology of gay people. Show me the scientific review paper to support your claim.

1StopRudeness:
There’s nothing wrong with a host country asking its guest nation to change their ambassador for not respecting the law of their land....
it’s not like Zimbabwe went against its own rule of law..it’s actually legal to jail someone for ramming dic into his follow man’s azzz ....

.why is the west trying to be saint in these issues??....the 14years in prison was copied from the Uk..it’s not even up to 15years the uk dripped the law in Scotland..
.when AFRICA is ready to be adopt more liberal laws..we would..until then, no nation that enslaved its fellow man should not come and blackmail us with foreign aid just because they want us to adopt their laws on sexual matters

Ok. But then, why are you against sharia law. Since you support making laws based on religious beliefs. Thieves should have their hands cut off. Even the Christian religion says any part of your body that causes you to sin should be cut off. Adulterers should be stoned to death. Blasphemers should be hanged.

Africans and their priorities!

GidiWoodsMan:
I've never been able to understand the instinctive fear and revulsion unfailingly expressed by the average African in the face of same-sex relationships

Whether we like it or not, our laws will eventually be amended to accommodate the LGBT community because they are always going to be among us. We have to learn how to coexist with them, the same way as we live with other individuals in our midst whose genetic aberrations are expressed in more overt (physical) forms.

No human being is perfect, after all is said and considered.

No mind them. It's is their inability to fathom that other people can be radically different from them. African feels insecure and frightened to see people who don't conform to their beliefs and moral preferences.

As much I hate homosexuality, I have nothing against homosexuals, as long as they don't impose themselves on me and my children.

hope4nigeria:
dont ever address God that way again. If you do!

You religious fundamentalists make me laugh. I see no difference between muslims and Christian fundamentalists, they attempt to use threats and force to impose their doctrines on unbelievabers.
I hope you are ready to stone gays and adulterers - both male and female.

lexy2014:
Oga its not a theory. Look at an excerpt from your own post:

"a key section of Utah law criminalizing polygamy".

U said d woman went to enforce her right. Y did she go to court if it was a theory? Which law is a theory?

It depends on your definition of polygamy. Does polygamy only means having multiple marriage licenses, or means having multiple eives/partners, but without obtaining multiple marriage licenses?

powerfulguy:
If nigeria burn now he will quickly jet off the corntree

If it should start burning, those shouting "let it burn" will be the first to jet out.

lexy2014:
Not in theory. It is d law. That is y ur story says a woman went to court to enforce her rights. If it was just in theory, there will b no need 4 her to go to court. Even ur caveat about not obtaining multiple marriage licences, still corroborates d fact that d practice of polygamy doesn't have govt backing because how do u obtain one license when u are marrying more than one person? Are u going to marry them at d same time?

The woman enforced her rights that she has the right to marry a man with other wives.

It's a theory, it is applies to obtaining licences (government recognition). A man can marry a wife ie, get the parents consent, the church (or religious body's) consent, put Mrs behind her name, cohabitate with the man and bare children, without obtaining a government marriage licence. This is the same thing that happens in Nigeria here. The man usually only officially marry the first wife, other marriages are done through traditional weddings and customs.

hope4nigeria:
go there and they will behead you, gay is evil, God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of this singular act. If you don't change your ways, you are in for doom

And the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah stopped gayism in the world or even the area? Why does your God engage in futile and senseless actions?

Gay is evil to your own personal religious dogma and doctrine. It may be part of another person's religious practice. Are you advocating for restrictions and punish of other people's religion believes because it is different from your own.

lexy2014:
But in d US, polygamy is a criminal offence. I thought d US gives everyone d freedom to do whatever they want?

Yes in theory it is, but polygamy is practiced in the US especially in fringe Christian communities. It's legal as long as you don't obtain multiple marriage licenses.

Sister Wives' Defeat Polygamy Law in Federal Court
A federal judge ruled late Friday that a key section of Utah law criminalizing polygamy is unconstitutional, granting multi-spouse families the right to live together without facing arrest, so long as they do not acquire multiple marriage licenses.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/12/16/sister-wives-defeat-polygamy-law-in-federal-court%3fcontext=amp

Unique357:
This evening when I returned home, she didnt save any foods for me so I didnt bother to ask her too since she was still angry ( frowned face ), I went to the kitchen i prepared noodles. By the times the kids went to sleep, I asked If I can have a chat with her quietly , she has made it clear that theres nothing to chat about since I have put the girl as my priorities and I don't love her anymore , I should go to my new wife have a chat with her, she is referring to our house help and she gave me back the money that I should shop for my new wife myself. Well I have tried convincing her that she and the kids will always be my first priorities but it doesn't mean that we should treat other people bad. She didnt seems interested, she says that she left the room for my new wife , she left the room and she went to sleep in our children room. I was not expecting her to go this far . It's really sad how she doesn't want us to settle the matter in peace

Things are now getting out of hand and you need to deal with this issue decisively as a man. Obviously, the dress issue is just an excuse and you wife had been bottling up her feelings over the presence of the girl (maid) in the house. For it to get to the level where she is denying you your marital rights, means she is really taking it serious. You might need to call a family meeting (both sides ), since she is refusing to perform her marital duties and is refusing to discuss it privately. She needs to tell you and the families what she actually wants. If she wants the girl out, at least everyone will know her real reasons, and no one will blame you.

It is annoying for a wife to stop performing her marital duties, everytime you have a small disagreement. What happens if you too stops perfroming your own responsibilities and duties?

Give Femi Fani Kayode food, he will sing for you - Obasanjo.

oloriLFC:
Okay. In as much as I do not like same sex relationships and do not make a case for gays, it is true that African leaders are hypocrites and do not always tackle issues that will promote the welfare of the populace. We try to prove to the world that we are 'pure', that our beliefs forbid certain things, yet, we are wicked! We chase shadows. And as the US man rightly said we look away when a public office holder spends money lavishly without being tried but go after people who decided what to do with their own bodies. Some of these so called leaders are homosexuals themselves. 'Leave us to languish in our poverty' yen yen yen, as if he or any member of his immediate family is poor. Foolish, wicked people!

That's the bane of Africa, religion. Religion is our number one priority. We are more Catholic than the Pope, more Islam than the imam of mecca and more Jewish than Abraham.

We are more concerned what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their homes than old dirty men marrying 13 year old girls as 4th wife.
We are more appalled by other people's sexual choices than the raping of our collective wealth by a few elite.

We are more obsessed with imposing our moral, religious and personal values on others, than actually living our lives by those values.

Africa will remain the dark continent for a very long time.

OZAOEKPE:
Only 2/3 can remove the President bro

Everybody knows that.

...But, simple majority can make things a whole lot difficult.
Majority determines the rules.
Majority determines who is subpoenaed.

Unique357:
Thank you for the insult , God knows my heart that I Have never been wicked to the child neither do I treat her any different from my children. She and my niece are both in the same private schools, same class and I am paying the same school fees , how am I wicked ? We have a family friends who sells OK Uk first grade clothes at affordable prices to us, I knew with that 2k my wife would have get a nice jeans and shirt/ dress for her . Please next time ask before you judge.

My brother, you did the right thing and you represent the good in humanity. If your wife could cry and accused you just because of 2k, I wonder what should would have said of your budget 5k for the house help.

The way out is to talk sense into her. I am sure she is very religious, talk to her pastor to talk to her to explain to her the real meaning of christ and Christmas. Maybe, she is like that because of her upbringing. She might have come from a family that discriminated a lot based on wealth.

It will not be wise to have marital issues with your wife because of another person (her relation for that matter). if you can't resolve the issue, you will have to send the girl away.

Abeg make una follow me laugh small, Trump the Jesus of our time, who can do no wrong according to Republicans and white Christian evangelicals cannot quote a single verse from the bible;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERUngQUCsyE

I wonder if he had even read the bible.

This is how an average Nigerian woman treats her house help.