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FamilyRe: Madam & Her Maid: This Happened In The Church Today. by wirinet(m): 7:25pm On Oct 17, 2022
Focusmind:
She does absolutely nothing in my house. We took her in just to relieve her poor parents the burden of raising her and her five other siblings. She's just an adult figure that will stay with the kids when I or myself goes out. She doesn't cook neither does she do laundry. She knows how to operate the washing machine and goes on small street errands for my wife. She is not your typical house help girl
Then don't call her house help. To me house help is a derogatory term. See her as part of the family, like a guest or a distant family member.

People abroad adopt other less privileged children despite have children of their own, a good example Madonna. But it seems we are not that morally and spirituality advanced yet.
FamilyRe: Madam & Her Maid: This Happened In The Church Today. by wirinet(m): 7:13pm On Oct 17, 2022
drololaaof:
Wao we can only pray for God forgiveness on such mothers,and that they realise that, that behaviour is bad and unwarranted.
It is not good to scold house help to sooth our children ,some of them are evil possessed that attack the children spiritually before you know it will too late
And some madam's children are not evil possessed? Is it because child househelps are poor and vulnerable that makes them evil possessed?

Nigerians are fond of hating and demonizing the weak and vulnerable in the society ie the very poor, the very aged and the very sick/disabled.
FamilyRe: Madam & Her Maid: This Happened In The Church Today. by wirinet(m): 6:48pm On Oct 17, 2022
Focusmind:
You just described what normally happens in a typical Nigeria local church bsettings. Very common here in my parish. My wife knows my stand when it comes to my house girl. You will never know that she is my house girl. A 14 year old girl. Every Saturday, I give her money and my 9 year old daughter to go do their hairs before next week Monday school. She wears nice clothes and never lacks cosmetic accessories as my wife gives her her own and other personal hygiene products.

My people, especially my Igbo women, house girls are humans and should be treated with dignity.
Why will you have a 14year old as a house girl? Is that not child abuse or rather child exploitation?

Forget hair, cosmetics and hygiene, all those are to sooth your conscience. A child should never never be a maid.

Me, I have never had a maid. I have a washing machine and the cloths that cannot be washed by the machine is given to my dry cleaner.

My wife has someone come clean my house once a week.

My wife does all the cooking (she is a caterer anyway).

Never liked the idea of a live-in house maid not to talk of a minor one.
FamilyRe: Madam & Her Maid: This Happened In The Church Today. by wirinet(m): 6:43pm On Oct 17, 2022
budaatum:
I was informed yesterday that once one believes in Christ, one is righteous, and nothing one can ever do can reduce one's righteousness. I said, a God who accepts such a definition can not be righteous itself.

This is a clear example of how we delude ourselves.
That was my problem with Christianity. It kill a human conscience and it's against the natural law of karma. You can virtually get away with murder.
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Needs Thinkers And Doers: Bola Tinubu Speaks At KADINVEST 7 by wirinet(m): 8:10pm On Oct 15, 2022
rickleye:
He doesn’t sound good at all
He shows signs cognitive decline. It will get worse as the months roll by. I doubt that by January next year he will be able to recognise his wife Remi.

I certain that his handlers will dear not present him for a live interview any time before the elections. Presidential debate is off the table.
PoliticsRe: APC Chieftains Reaction As Tinubu Goofed At An Event In Kaduna (video) by wirinet(m): 7:47pm On Oct 15, 2022
Tinubu is in cognitive decline. It will get worse as the months roll by. I doubt that by January next year, he will be able to recognise his wife Remi.

I certain that his handlers dear not present him for a live interview any time before the elections. Presidential debate is off the table.
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Needs Thinkers And Doers: Bola Tinubu Speaks At KADINVEST 7 by wirinet(m): 6:58pm On Oct 15, 2022
Transcript of the video clip.

Thinking and doing.
Nigerian great thinkers are doers.
And that is I'm openly begging Nasir El Rufai not to run away for additional degree errrrr.
Excuse (coughs) to.. now he's going to tryo a PHD or something.
There are lots of educated relics.
We're not gonna let you run away.
Your vision, creativity and resiliency in turning a rotten situation to a bad one grin is necessary at this critical time.
Ah That is why we're here today.

Therefore I'm sure that under the able leadership of this governor Nasir El Rufai, the leadership of the cabal and the subsequent administration in Kaduna will be very successful, once the path is straight.
This state would be turned to a rapid job creation state to you the kaduanians

Be sure of the success of the (abrupt end).
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Needs Thinkers And Doers: Bola Tinubu Speaks At KADINVEST 7 by wirinet(m): 5:58pm On Oct 15, 2022
omonnakoda:
The point is if a list of services is to be drawn up it will be by human beings not angels. As long as that is the case the list will never get unanimity. There is no criteria that will be universally agreed across all capitalist countries. Some countries may have no problem capitalizing prisons while others will. There will also be generational differences
What may be acceptable in 2020 may not be in 2050

bringing to the fore the fact that such decisions are rarely objective. Culture and other considerations come into play
Let me ask you, who is to build roads - private or public sector? Should you pay for each road you walk or drive on?

Who is to pay for ambulance services? Should you be asked to pay before you are revived from a heart attack?

Who should pay for fire services? Should the fire service collect deposit before they attempt to put out your fire?

Who is to pay for policing? Should you pay before the police investigate and prosecute a crime against you?

And most important of all, who is to pay for the country's defense? Should we all pay before the military is asked to defend you against foreign invasion?

You guys just scream "capitalism is the best" without fully understanding what you are talking about.
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Needs Thinkers And Doers: Bola Tinubu Speaks At KADINVEST 7 by wirinet(m): 5:45pm On Oct 15, 2022
omonnakoda:
How are those services determined? By Whom?
The services are determined by the need to build a stable, compassionate and just society. That's the reason human societies have governments, to provide for the welfare and security of its citizens irrespective of profit motives.
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Needs Thinkers And Doers: Bola Tinubu Speaks At KADINVEST 7 by wirinet(m): 5:41pm On Oct 15, 2022
Sulele04:
Capitalism is often thought of as an economic system in which private actors own and control property in accord with their interests, and demand and supply freely set prices in markets in a way that can serve the best interests of society. The essential feature of capitalism is the motive to make a profit.
That's a major flaw of untamed capitalism. There are some services that should not be profit oriented. Services like ambulance services, rescue services, fire services and critical health services should never be profit oriented.
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Needs Thinkers And Doers: Bola Tinubu Speaks At KADINVEST 7 by wirinet(m): 5:35pm On Oct 15, 2022
LeoDeKing:
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All the useless noise pandora crook has been making up and down while his ipob supporters keep licking his arss are light years behind this statement by the only Jagaban of Africa.

Capitalism is the best Economic system, but do illiterates even understand what that means. All they know is that I want to go to Amelica. Useless clowns. grin
Untamed capitalism has its flaws. It leads to feudalism, oligarchy or monopoly, which eventually leads to a wide gap between rich and poor. Eventually, the poor who has nothing to lose will descend on the state creating insecurity, insurgency and civil conflict.
You have to ensure that in your capitalism, the poor masses are forgotten or over exploited.

You can take examples from history by looking at France, Germany, Russia and even Britain. You think these nations imbibed a piece of socialism into their capitalism for fun?
PoliticsRe: Tinubu: I Turned Lagos From Jungle To Megacity by wirinet(m):
noblemuk:
You may want to answer the questions? What happens to garbage from your house at the time, without carrying on your head to dump by the roads side almost half a kilometer away?
I lived on V/I for 20 years and Ikoyi for 7 years. At no time did we carry garbage on our heads and dump by the roads side almost half a kilometer away. The Garbage collectors were late most times and garbage would pile up, but they were were operational. Tinubu did not introduce garbage trucks to Lagos.

what Cinemas were functional at the time?
There were cinemas all over Lagos from 70s to 80s. I used to go to National Theatre and the Cinema on Moloney late 70s. In fact then there were Cinemas all over Lagos, Ibadan, Warri and and Benin.

It was the advent of VHS players that killed Cinemas. It was Silverbird Entertainment that brought a resurgence of Cinemas and not Tinubu.

How did you get around long distances in Lagos without the terrible 911 (Molue) buses?
[quote]Yes molue was the predominant mass transport means at that time due to its cheapness. But transportation has advanced with better and more advanced buses. You can not even get a 911 Mercedes bus to buy today.

[quote]Victoria Island was predominantly residential, Even the entire Lekki as you see it now was a large swamp and mash land.
Yes V/I was predominantly residential for Federal government workers before Capital was moved to Abuja. After the capital was moved and government parastatals was moved to Abuja, most of the houses were sold to individuals and companies.

Lekki development started with Jakande, who opened up the Lekki-Epe corridor. Iekki phase 1 was developed way Tinubu. Maroko was demolished and converted to Oniru Estate well before Tinubu. VGC was developed way before Tinubu. So it is safe to say that the Lekki Epe corridor was an ongoing development started by Jakande and continued by subsequent governors including Tinubu. But to assign the whole development to Tinubu is disingenuous.

Give the man some respect. He has paid his dues and does have bragging rights...there's no one like him in this era of Nigerian politicians
Also give other governors their dues - ie Jakande, Marwa, Raji Rasaki, Fashola and Ambode.

Tinubu main strengths is he knows how to manipulate the political system to put his cronies and family in power. Same as Ibori. If Ibori had hounded by Jonathan not been jailed, he would have had an iron grip of delta politics, even more than Tinubu in Lagos.
PoliticsRe: Tinubu: I Turned Lagos From Jungle To Megacity by wirinet(m): 8:04am On Oct 15, 2022
Emma1Oj:
Remove Ambode from your performed list bcus he did notin. Tinubu did better Dan him. Fashola was the main Oracle!!
List projects started and completed by Tinubu and those started and completed by Ambode and let's compare and contrast.

You people talk like Lagos Started in 1999. I did my primary and secondary education in lagos in the 80s, so I experienced the development of lagos pre and post Tinubu.

Even Lagos State indigenes are not happy with the bogus claims that Lagos was a jungle before Tinubu.
PoliticsRe: Why We Won’t Support Tinubu’s Presidential Ambition, By OPC by wirinet(m): 1:28pm On Oct 14, 2022
DearDealz:
To be honest
It will be difficult for APC to win the election without sw landslide win to support northern votes
You think APC (or even PDP) count on your votes to win elections? They rely on "structure". Rigging structure which are in the hands of state governors, party strong men, traditional and religious leaders and thugs (militants, bandits, insurgents, cultists) and not forgetting judges. Anty politician that controls these groups automatically wins elections.

That's Peter Obi has no chance, no matter the public support he gathers, he just got no "structures".

A sane society should not be consistently throwing up suspected criminals like Tinubu and Atiku with very shady past and shadier future.
TravelRe: LASG Set To Construct New Airport On Lekki-Epe Axis by wirinet(m): 8:54am On Oct 10, 2022
Princedapace:
No, so as to chase the bitter igbos away from Lagos. U don't get it? As long as u run unitary system of govt in Nigeria, those biter igbos willl always come to Lagos.
Who imposed a unitary system on Nigeria? Was it not an igbo led administration?

So, to reduce or end that, support igbos to separate Nigeria.
How do you want Yorubas to support igbos to separate from Nigeria? Have you presented any proposal to them officially and they refused? You guys have even made the Yorubas your number 2 enemy and you still accuse them of not supporting you.
Abi you want to fight the FG and die on your behalf
During the last war, if yorubas had suported the break up of Nigeria, there is no war, hausas woukd have won the war na.
How can Yorubas support the break up of Nigeria when the matter was never tabled. You guys just unilaterally declared secession and you hoped Yorubas will just pick up arms and fight for your objectives.

U can't be shouting that the bitter igbos are in Lagos when we run unitary system of govt.
Take for instance, there are not too many Scottish people in London. Why? Scotland has it own capital Glasgow and that is where her own citizens move to more.
So, Nigeria can still practice UK 4 nation system. This way, bitter igbos will stay away from Lagos and u enjoy ur Lagos.
As I said, igbos were the main proponent and drivers of the one Nigeria and unitary system. You can't be reprobating and aprobating like a pendulum and expect everyone to swing along.

You guys are only good at making noise on social media, you have not made any official proposal that anyone can look at for consideration.
PoliticsRe: Ogunlewe: Tinubu’s Health Doesn't Matter As Long As He Assembles A Good Cabinet by wirinet(m): 8:36am On Oct 10, 2022
The same way Aoandoakaa said Yar'adua can rule from anywhere, even from the grave.
https://www.nairaland.com/367225/yaradua-rule-anywhere-aondoakaa

These Nigerian politicians take the masses for fools.
TravelRe: LASG Set To Construct New Airport On Lekki-Epe Axis by wirinet(m): 6:11pm On Oct 07, 2022
ModCaller:
Misplaced priorities, as usual.

This is why Nigeria has remained this way for decades. It's not like government is not doing something. They are not just doing what they should be doing at a given moment.

Second airport? Really? In a tiny state? Because you saw 3500 hectares of available land? In an overpopulated state?

What a dumbass!
Where is 3500 hectares of land along the Lekki - Epe axis? Epe proper yes, but the Lekki- Epe corridor? Definitely not.
TravelRe: LASG Set To Construct New Airport On Lekki-Epe Axis by wirinet(m): 6:07pm On Oct 07, 2022
crestedaguiyi:
Nice one but that resources could have been applied to fixing a reasonable km of internal roads. This would further cushion the effect of the ban on okada because mini buses and taxi would be able to cover more routes and move people closer to their homes.

Getting to bus stops is not easy for a lot of lagosians and not UpTo 20% of them fly by air.

I am entitled to My opinion
No amount of internal roads would solve lagos traffic problems. What lagos needs is an internal railway system connecting all the local government. A rail like from Ikorodu to Epe to Lagos Island through the Lekki corridor to mainland to Berger.

Lekki corridor is a strip of swamp separating the lagoon from the Atlantic Ocean. I don't see how that corridor will accommodate an airport, a sea port and a refinery. It will be chaos.
CrimeRe: Do You Think Jude Bella Story Is Adding Up ? by wirinet(m): 12:55pm On Oct 07, 2022
emirofkabul:
Folks are misinterpreting my point of view, I am not siding with the EFCC or any law enforcement agency arresting suspect base on a hunch, what am saying is that his story is not really adding up - can't really make sense of it.

If it was the FBI and he is clean no one will bother him, heck if he is shaddy and there is no evidence to prove that, he walks.

But I feel there is more to the information he is putting out there.

Nlfmod, Seun please let more folks see this.
Are you insinuating that the FBI would arrest a person, incarcerate him indefinitely and seize his money and properties all without charging the person to court?
CrimeRe: Do You Think Jude Bella Story Is Adding Up ? by wirinet(m):
emirofkabul:
Man, I am not siding with the efcc, infact on the contrary but let deal with fact.

Facts are stubborn thing, the guy makes videos on politics, human right and corruption in Nigeria (a developing country) where most millennials are only interested in entertainment, c'mon this dude ain't Hasan picker talking about US foreign policy, energy security and whatnot.

Now I know a Nigerian lady that makes videos about event in the US stuffs like Reaction on the rescue of Jessica Buchanan, Star Spangled banner (The Story), Why no one mess with America and from the comment section you could deduce that the folks watching are Westerners mostly Americans, now if the lady is pulling in such amount of Money I'd say it ok.

Lets be realistic here.
You seem to be supporting "guilty until proven guilty" doctrine of EFCC and Nigerian security agencies. You are simply speculating without even any criminal accusation not to talk of conviction. The EFCC never charge the guy with any accusation. He was interrogated for by EFCC officials for dozens of hours, he was asked to bring documents supporting his claims of earning his income mainly from YouTube. His laptop and phones were searched,his house was searched. All his friends and associates were arrested and interrogated.
To confirm if his claims are true is very easy and elementary. You can check on socialblade for his YouTube earnings.
All his transactions are on record in his various accounts. They can easily get in touch with people and organizations that credited his accounts.
Don't you think if EFCC found something they would have charged him to court?

Please stop being negative and learn to embrace positivism. This young man should be a role model for many youth, who endured great sacrifice to defend his fundamental human rights.
CrimeRe: Do You Think Jude Bella Story Is Adding Up ? by wirinet(m):
saladinnoir:
I've also had this thought but if i had posted on the initial thread I'd probably be e-lynched. On the picture of his adsense reciept it said he earned 30k dollars per month, the average American makes about 40 to 50k per year. Yes, there's something suspicious here.
There is something suspicious that EFCC could not bring any charge?

There is something suspicious and he won EFCC both at the high Court and at the appeal court?

It's you guys that encourage the brazenness by which EFCC and other security agencies trample on the fundamental rights of Nigerians.

You think if he was actually a yahoo boy, will he not find it easier paying EFCC off with a few tens of dollars instead of wasting tens of millions in court case?

Just pray, that it will not be your turn soon, because what goes around comes around.

The EFCC does not have the right to detain him beyond 48 hours.

The EFCC does not have the rights to block his account and seize his properties without a court injunction

The EFCC does not have have the rights to search his house without a court warrant.
FamilyRe: Unfortunately I Am Not The Father Of My Fourth Child by wirinet(m): 8:20am On Oct 07, 2022
Jman06:
No woman is ready to suffer in marriage" but are the ones that enjoy the benefits of marriage most!
Don't mind her, I doubt she can ever keep a husband with that attitude. If a woman is not "ready to suffer in marriage", she better not marry and forever become baby mama, or even continue to do olosho until she is past her menopause.
FamilyRe: Unfortunately I Am Not The Father Of My Fourth Child by wirinet(m):
Johnnyjohnnyman:
Yes that's true she came back because she wanted a father figure for her child and she knew I am a great father to our three hence why she came because if I was a dead beat or irresponsable why would she come back to me she would have find someone better to raise all four kids .
Yes she came back to impose another a man's child on you because she knows you are a great father. Continue caring for your 3 children and help them pass through the psychological trauma they will get passing through due to your wife's indiscretion. Make sure they are around family.

She is only regretting her action for not protecting herself because if she did she wouldn't have ended up with the pregnancy.
I can never be responsible for the dirty lifestyle she choose to do to Cater for the children, she was the sole breadwinner but selling her body was not her only option.
We had an option to moved him with my mother and she refused.
If we had moved in with my mother it would have reduce the burden of house rent.
She is an adult with sense she made the decision to sell her body and she choose not to use protection and how is that my fault ? It is her own fault for allowing herself to be use and getting pregnant. The girl is a victim of her mother mistakes not mine.
Ask yourself, would she have come back if the lover accepted the pregnancy and asked her to marry him. She would have return your bride price without notice. She would even have abandoned the kids for her fairy tale life. The story that she ducked the guy because of the children is bullshit. A woman taking care of 3 kids alone will not have time for a full romance. Who was taking care of the kids when she was doing "wifey" duties for the guy. Abi, she took the 3 children to the guys house?

By the way she didn't impregnate herself the child father is alive she can take him to court for child maintenance. If he won't take care or her she can go ahead and sleep with all men in the world to cater for her since that's the easiest option for her to do.
I know you are trying to guilt trip me but it won't work at all. I have already made up my mind about the divorce and that's the final decisio. You can still blame me over and over again no amount of the blame will change my decision.
Don't let these wayward feminists who can't keep a husband guilt trip you. No part of her cheating was your fault. As I said every marriage has its challenges - financially, psychological or healthwise. That's why the marriage vows contain "for better for worse". Cheating is certainly not the solution to any marriage problem.
PoliticsRe: If Tinubu Withdraws, Who Would APC Replace Him With? by wirinet(m): 8:53pm On Oct 05, 2022
MadeInTokyo:
Shettimma automatically becomes Presidential candidate
Did Shettima pick up a form not to talk of contesting for primaries? How can someone who did not participate in a primary become the presidential candidate?
What happened to northern APC Governor's doctrine of conceding power to the south? Was it a trick to field a sick Tinubu so that power can remain in the North as they knew Tinubu was not fit?

Section 29 in subsection (1) says ‘every political party shall, not later than 180 days before the date appointed for a general election under this Act, submit to the Commission, in the prescribed Forms, the list of candidates the party proposes to sponsor at the elections, who must have emerged from valid primaries conducted by the political party.'
PoliticsRe: Why Tinubu Can’t Show Medical Fitness Certificate –APC by wirinet(m): 5:06pm On Oct 05, 2022
Now the question we should all be ready to confront is, is the new revised electoral act constitutional? Can someone who did not participate in the primaries become the presidential flag bearer of a party?

I know Rotimi Amaechi and Kashima Shetima will slug it out all the way to the Supreme Court if anything happens to Tinubu.
PoliticsRe: Why Tinubu Can’t Show Medical Fitness Certificate –APC by wirinet(m): 5:00pm On Oct 05, 2022
Meanwhile Rotimi Ameachi/ Kashima Shetima are waiting patiently like vultures following a thirsty dying animal in a desert

PoliticsRe: Forty Years Ago, 1 Pound Was 0.8189 Naira - Rufai Oseni by wirinet(m): 10:31am On Oct 05, 2022
BigIyanga:
Na lie. Naija does not make powertrain- engines and transmission. Naija never made drivetrains as well. We imported those and assembled.
Per intl standards, those cars cannot be classified as made in Naija.. It’s actually against intellectual property rights to do that.
You still don't get it? How many car companies in the world make their own engines, transmission, tyres, fabrics, electronics, etc. No company or country has that capacity. Modern economic model emphasizes specialization. For example in the making of phones, components are sourced from every continent. As I said the processors and chips comes from Taiwan or South Korea, the Screens comes from China, the glass might come from France or Japan. The company would source its materials from various sources and print "Made in Nigeria". This will build a vibrant economy and reduce forex demands as opposed to importing finished items 100%.
PoliticsRe: Forty Years Ago, 1 Pound Was 0.8189 Naira - Rufai Oseni by wirinet(m): 10:11am On Oct 05, 2022
BigIyanga:
Fallacy. Nigeria has never made cars. We imported peugeot parts and assembled. Did we import with Naira?
Machines used to make Kano textiles were imported with FX. Una version of Naija is quite different from reality
The cars were Made in Nigeria . No country in the world makes a product with 100% locally sourced materials. They import some raw and finished materials, they have some local inputs and the also import some machinery and machine tools. Same with energy component of manufacturing, some are locally sourced and some are imported. All these tell on the demand for foreign exchange.
Made in China foes not mean everything was manufactured in China. Most chips come from Taiwan and the rest from South Korea.

What then is your reason for the continuous fall of the Naira?
PoliticsRe: Tinubu Meets With Yemi Idowu And Toyin Subair In London (Pictures) by wirinet(m): 7:36am On Oct 05, 2022
Beverlyjean:
Keep on releasing old pictures... we see u were prepared for this... is London now where the electorate will vote ?? Person done miss for 2 weeks now and missed crucial engagements... we no b fools ooo
With Tinubu as president, the capital of Nigeria will move to London. If you need to see Tinubu or conduct official business you will have to travel to London.
PoliticsRe: Forty Years Ago, 1 Pound Was 0.8189 Naira - Rufai Oseni by wirinet(m): 7:31am On Oct 05, 2022
Kasssandra:
Context

1. Our forex needs were not that great because smaller population

2. It was the height of the oil boom.

3. The UK was weak economically

4. We exported far more than oil, but the danger signs were coming. 1982 was the last year of the groundnut pyramids

5. The shagari regime was not saving so forex was flying around, buffering the naira

6. It was going to eventually depreciate because we were not an and still not a active exporter of manufactured goods and services

7. If obi wins, the pound won't go back to that level.
Also add that our forex needs were not that great because we were consuming mainly local products. We were driving made in Nigeria cars - Peugeot, Volkwagon, etc., we were wearing mare in Nigeria cloths and shoes - Kano textiles, Bata shoes, etc., we were eating made in Nigeria foods - no noodles, bread, we only eat rice once a year, and won't of all no imported fuels. So what did people need dollars and pounds for?
Foreign AffairsRe: Convoy Transporting Equipment For Russia's Nuclear Forces On The Move (pictures) by wirinet(m): 7:44pm On Oct 03, 2022
bassdow:
Mind you, Russia is bigger than 3 Continents combined hence could attack more countries than others could.
False. Which 3 continents is Russia bigger than? Maybe Australia and Antarctica. Because North America alone is bigger than Russia. Even South America is bigger than Russia. Africa is way bigger than Russia.

Abi your Google don carry virus?
Foreign AffairsRe: Convoy Transporting Equipment For Russia's Nuclear Forces On The Move (pictures) by wirinet(m): 7:12pm On Oct 03, 2022
bassdow:
Russia isn't USA. Don't you think there's been reason(s) why the WEST (including the USA) have always been afraid of Russia.
Russia also lost in Afghanistan after 20 years of war.

Even in this Ukraine war, the WEST have remained very very careful of their level of involvement.
Yes the West have to be very careful, because the West is weary of getting directly in foreign wars. But at the same time they are afraid of Putin doing a Hitler by invading other countries in Europe.

Moreover the issue in Ukraine is different from what happened in Afghanistan.
How is it different. The people refuse to be invaded and are ready to fight to the last man.

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