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DavidDylan:
Especially when you're caught in your own web of lies, half-truths and inconsistencies.

Here is the thread - Which Muslim Artiste Do You Love Listening To Their Nasheeds

They tell us that nasheeds are not haram . . . you tell us that music is haram . . . which is which?

Confusion seems to be ur stock-in-trade.

You, david have a comprehension problem, and until you see the light, you'll remain in this confusion. Go back to the thread you referred to, and read the recent posts there.

javalove:
Nimshi, sincerely i doubt if you are a muslim. Whats wrung in you answering it. Aren't you supposed to be a muslim too?

nimshi, Muslim? Abeg, talk of something else.

@tharma

Jazakumullah khayran.

DavidDylan:
you people are just hypocrites. there is a thread on this same board of yours with MUSLIMS discussing their favorite islamic music! Which is it? Is music haram or halal in islam?

As you might have noticed, I don't waste valuable time with people like you.

congoshine:
Tho' the object of keeping the hair long shouldn't necessary be for 'her feminine quality' as its haram for her to expose her hair.

But she still needs to keep and maintain 'her feminine quality' for her husband. Since it's not haram to expose the hair indoors, in the presence of her husband children, mahram men and female friends.

Nimshi should be ignored. There's no good in dialoguing with him/her/it.

@Frizy
You've said it all. jazakallah khayran.

@Nimshi
So this is your own Quran and Hadith, ehn?
Even if a million so called muslims decides to be musicians, does that make Music halal in Islam?

You used to post intelligently, your recent posts are degrading, to say the least.

mybad:
@Nimshi & congoshine
Don't tell me you two are congratulating each other over sharing thesame opinion on this topic.

Don't mind both of them. Their trick is old.

congoshine:
This is really enlightening.
But to be candid,the suitor need not see the bride- to-be's hairs,hands ,legs etc. This can be done by his sister or mother.

All he needs is the face and getting to know her character which is poosible without unveiling. Although that will be very difficult for me. . . . . . . but we're all different !

I quite agree with you.
What's the point in insisting on seeing more than the face and hands? Ok, what if after seeing the hair, legs or whatever, there's a particular thing u dislike, perhaps the hair isn't as long as u wish, or the legs are spotty, will u then back out, and then another brother, comes, does same thing and backs out. Won't this cause fitnah?
And I must say, brothers who are not well grounded in the understanding of islam cause mischief in the name of trying to look at the intended wife.

@olabowale
jazakallah khayran.
This is more like it.

@Frizy

Good. Pls do get the evidence. I'll be waiting.
Meanwhile, Jazakallah khayran.

PepERSprAY:
Other Muslims are denying Nimshi yet you are here accepting him wholeheartedly. Are you sure you are a muslim too?

She's doing her job as a moderator.

And by the way, it is Nimshi who's at the throat of active Muslim posters.
He/she's decided to be a confusionist around here.

@Frizy

Do you think asking to see her hair and legs are right Islamically?
Pls back up your answer(s) with evidences from the quran and/or sunnah.
Thank you.

Which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (men and Jinn) deny?

Surah Ar-Rahman

@shegirl

mybad:
I suppose you want to know if "look at her very well" also means having "a very good taste of her".
Am sure you know that the teachings of the noble Prophet can never encourage pre-marital sex.

Your supposition is incorrect sir.

And what are those things you think I'm 'in the dark about?

mybad:
@zayhal

Why not help provide an answer to that question.
We cannot discard the dictates of the glorious Quran or the teachings of the noble Prophet when it comes to issues like this.

"Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and be modest. That is purer for them. Lo! Allah is Aware of what they do. And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest." (An-Nur: 30-31)

What do you suggest we do when faced with situations like this one?

I  am not a scholar, I can not 'suggest' what to do.


It is because I  need illumination on the issue that I have brought it here. My position ( from my understanding of the hadith and scholars' sayings) had been that the munaqabah could unveil only the face to the suitor, and the one without niqab shouldn't reveal anymore than the face and hands she naturally leaves uncovered.
But the problem here is that I realise this position of mine is inferred. I need a more specific justification for this position, probably, a tafseer of the hadith "look at her very well". How much is he entitled to look at?


@olabowale

Jazakallah khayran.
But the hair? Won't that entail total removal of the hijab? what if the nikkah doesn't eventually take place? Can a sister justify this action (of showing her hair to d prospective husband) in the sunnah? Do we have any example from the sahabah/sahaabiyyah?

ife-eco-06:
I disagree. They are words coined by haters of Islam to describe any Muslim that doesn't comform to their style/system. Unfortunately, many Muslims have been gullible enough to fall victims. Osama was once labelled freedom fighter by US, now a terrorist because he doesn't play ball again.

The word I hate most is to be called a MODERATE MUSLIM. If a non-Muslim calls you a MODERATE MUSLIM, tehn you need to watch your Islam, because, as Allah made us to know, if you practice your Islam the way you should, the Christians and the Jews will not like you.

However,much as I hate to use the word to describe a Muslim, I recognize that some Muslims actually go to the extreme in some matters, but that is not the definition of Extremism the way the West and pitiably some gullible Muslims see it.

Extremism is doing what is not founded in Islam, like secluding oneself in one room for many days,in the name of worship, and not going to pray in mosque or Jumaat; married man performing nawafils all night and deying partner sex for many days etc

Also please note that the following are not extremism, as widely believed:
-Refusing to shake hands with opposite sex
-Refusing to take pictures
etc

You've spoken well and truthfully too.
Some people, even muslims, label other muslims fanatics, extremists etc, if they strive to abide by the sunnah.
The thing is, Muslims should just endeavour to do away with all these names and just be MUSLIMS.

mybad:
It is not proper for the Munaqabah to unveil herself for a suitor.
One would wonder how many suitors she'll have to unveil for before she eventually settles for a husband.

But Rasullulah (SAw) advised the man who's seeking a wife to "look at her very well", what is there to look at if the veil is uncovered?
Pls don't get bored with my questions. It's for a purpose and a good one too.

ok, what about a munaqabah, a sister in veil, does she have to unveil for a prospective husband? What if the sister doesn't feel comfortable unveiling?

@shegirl
what is/are your evidence for this?

mybad:
Allah says in Surat-un Nur ", and not to reveal their adornments except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husband's sons, their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islaam), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allaah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful." Quran chapter 24:Verses 30-31.

The Muslim woman is allowed only to expose her face,hands and feet.
All other parts of her body should be covered.

I think the man is only allowed to see some parts of the lady's arms and not her entire Awrah.
This should be done with close supervision.
However,if he has a sister she could help in this instance to avoid temptations that can be avoided.

The Holy Prophet SAW also said this about indecent dressing:
"Two types of people from the inhabitants of hellfire i have not yet seen: Women covered yet uncovered when they walk they swing their sides/hips, upon their heads resemble the humps of camels they will not enter al jannah nor will they find its scent,……

Jazakumullah khayran
But are you sure the feet are included in those parts that could be seen by nonmahram, any evidence to justify this?

Thanks for your response, Samba.

More responses will be appreciated, especially with back ups from the Quran and sunnah.

You knew u aren't attracted to her and u went ahead to marry her? and to worsen the matter, u both live miles apart from each other. So, where or how do u want the attraction to build up?
Anyway, my advise to you is to bring your wife down to Nigeria to live with you or you move down there to live with her permanently. If u see each other everyday and do things together- household chores, shopping, sports etc, who knows, the attraction might build up from there and even love too!
Good luck.

A man who's proposing marriage to a sister in hijab, how much of her is he allowed to see? The face alone, the face and hands? And under what conditions? Both of them alone? In the presence of her mahram?
I brought up this topic because of the way this issue is being taken these days, where we have a brother asking the sister he intends to marry to remove the hijab completely, is this right?

@cayon

That was a beautiful one. With the aabb end rhyme scheme. Hope your mum has seen that.