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Amin. Thumma, Amin.

I mentioned TMC because I heard from TMC for the 1st time that zakatulfitr could be paid with money.
No hard feelings though. TMC is still one of the most striving Islamic societies in Lagos and we can't compare NASFAT and its likes to it. Criticisms such as this are only meant to put us on check and help improve us, and also enlighten some of us on some things we're unaware of, things we perceive from a distance.
Insha Allah, I'll still observe my eid at TMC ground, along Oshodi express.

@Nimshi
If you're a Muslim, this will do you good
Al-Imran 3:134
, and remember, we're in the month of Ramadhan

@codebase and @babs787

Jazakumullah khayran for your responses and counter responses
I've actually debated this issue within myself before bringing it here. I didn't used to have any problems with what to use for zakatulfitr (I'd been certain it's foodstuff) until two years ago when I prayed Eid with the TMC group in Lagos and they repeatedly urged people who had not done theirs to come forward before the salah, with the money equivalent of foodstuff they intended using. I was quite taken aback since I considered TMC to be a group that strictly adhered to sunnah of the Prophet (saw).
I now understand why they do so with what I've read from Babs posts so far. It's quite an eye opener. But nonetheless, it has only helped me see the reason behind TMC's action but definitely not change my earlier position, i.e to follow the sunnah as it is, to use foodstuff and not money for zakatulfitr.
I don't see any difficulty in doing this anyway. Garri is there to use if we feel beggars can't cook other foodstuff and besides, you'd be surprised at the very large number of beggars who have a complete set of cooking utensils and will appreciate your rice, beans, elubo or whatever.
And who says it's only beggars that are eligible recipients of zakatulfitr? Throughout my dad's life (he died at about the same time bab's dad died), I dont think we ever gave zakatulfitr to beggars. There are more than enough muslim homes in need of these foodstuff and these are the places my dad used to instruct us to take ours to. And in such places like the US where beggars are rare, you can deligate someone to do it here at home on your behalf.
May Allah continue guiding us aright and overlook our shortcomins.
And like codebase, here, I rest my case.

@Olabowale
Nimshi wants a particular source, probably a hadith quotation. I'm trying to look it up but am so busy

_Queenisha:
showing love to memunatu,mukinatu,aishatu and sikiratu.
wives not wife

Yeah. very well and even better for memunatu, mukinatu, aishatu and sikiratu because they all know one another and have a bond. Better than the pretense of ur men, confessing undying love at home and messing around with queenisha, mary, carolina,rebecca, angela,augusta,philo etc. Giving u daily heartaches plus the potentials of STDs. Deceit at its peak: the 'one man one wife' you claim.

And the way some men, especially our brothers go about this women taking care of the home thing, you'd think they're completely left out of the duties of building the home. And even in some cases, where the woman accepts the sole responsibilty, it is the 'man' of the house who destroys it all with this 'manly' attitudes.
No one is doubting that the woman is the pillar of the home, but the women definitely need the love and support of the man. Let us take good examples from the best of humanity, Rasullullah, look at how much time and love he gave to his family and how tenderly he handled them. How many men do that these days? Now, for our men, playing with the kids, being around the home, showing love to the wife, are regarded as being effeminate.
Our brothers need to really wake up and shed off some ego.

mybad:
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Since we all probably now agree that women have a great responsibilty to perform in turning the society around for good, then whenever you decide to choose one for keeps, don't forget to be very discreet in considering good qualities which are by far out of reach in the present day.
Perseverance of course will see you through Insha Allah.

so good women are out of reach. In your area or what? Because the generalisation of ur statement insinuates that there are no longer good women alive or did I get you wrong.
I'd have said there is a general moral decadence in the society and every individual needs to check him/herself. Are the menfolk left out of the tragedy that some homes have become today? does it not take two to tangle?
conclusions such as yours are meant for the nonbelieving women, not for Muslimah. I know a lot of muslim women who are exemplary homemakers so this 'out of reach thing' is very wrong.

Mukina, salam alaykum. . thought u moderators had gone for itikaf. it's been a while

Nimshi:
Could you then discuss the underlying reasoning for this conclusion? If you have sources, could you point to them?

A related question would be whether farting invalidates Wudu. Would one need to begin again? More important is the reasoning guiding the answer.

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Yes. it was reported dat Rasullulah (saw) said whatever comes out of the two holes between the legs vitiates d ablution. I'm not quoting now, just d interpretation of meaning. But now that u mention it, I'll try and look it up later, I mean d hadith itself.

Nimshi:
What about a fart?

Does an involuntary loud or silent fart nullify salat?

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Yes. Farting, whether voluntarily or involuntarily, loud or silent, nullifies your salah. You need to go make a fresh ablution and start all over.

@olabowale

with all these exclamatory punctuations, one'd imagine U shouting out your responses like a soldier!

Jazakumullah khayran for your answers.

@babs
I never knew mudu can be found here so easily. Please can U name a particular market in :Lagos where I can get?
Secondly, on zakatulfitr, the condition u mentioned about beggars not having a p;lace to cook, were there no beggars with such condition at the time of the Prophet (saw) too and yet only foodstuff were given? And what about garri, they can take this without cooking, abi?

@babs787
salam alaykum. I didnt get ur e-mail.

Wa alaykum salam warahmatullah wabarakatuh.
Like You rightly said, there are difference of opinion on the matters u raised, but Alhamdulilah, the differences are no cause for problems. One should just adopt the one he/she feels most comfortable with.
   On the salah issue, if one is owing a particular salah (say Zuhr) and enters upon a mosque where asr is being observed in jama'a, You make the intention of the one u owe, i.e. Zuhr and join the congregational salah. when this is finished, then u stand up and observe ur asr.
   On  the position of finger during tashaahud, it's reported that the Prophet (saw) used to move his finger vigorously at times and at other times, he'D keep it straight without moving. Therefore U're correct if u do either and neither of both nullifies ur salah. You can read this book for more info on this: Sifatu salatu Nabiy 'Description of The Prophet's Prayer' compiled by Al-Albani.

Where can one get this mudu (am not sure of the spelling), I mean the container that is used to measure d foodstuff to be given out for the sadaqatulfitr or what can one use as its equivalence if the mudu is unavailable.
Secondly, some people/groups agree that money can be given in place of foodstuff, for the sadaqatulfitr, is this acceptable in the Shariah considering the fact that there was money during the lifetime of the Prophet (saw) and yet, only food grains were used.
Please let's look into these together.

E_DIPO:
@ codebase

sallam alaekum, i appreciate your correction and i feel olabowale has seen reasons with you.

may Allah strenghten you and make us all better muslims.


@ olabowale

sallam alaekum my brother, let me first start by saying that your comments were very harsh and thats not the way to address this issue.

the guy asking tis question is not a muslm and so there is a need to be careful the way you attend to his query.

don't make matters worse by passing fatwa with that tone.

don't forget that as bad as we think george bush is, the day he becomes a muslim, he becomes our brother! so steve49ja could be our brother one day.


@ steve49ja

how are you? its interesting to note from your tone that you guys already do sex and other things before now.

so if she finally chooses to stay away from the sinful ways in order to show respect for Allah, i think you should respect her decisions.

to have come this far to ask and open your relationship to public scrutiny shows your urge to continue having sex with her and that you don't trust her.

it also shows that she has made you get used so much to having sex and doing all the illicit things you listed by yourself.

well, the damage has been done, there is no point crying over spilt milk.

first, it is very wrong, emphasis on very wrong, to touch, talkless of having sex with a woman you are not married to. so whether ramadhan is here or not, you have been incurring the wrath of Allah over time. the solution here is, BEG FOR FORGIVENESS.

second, your girlfriend should have known she wasnot supposed to date you talkless of thinking of marriage. she is supposed to have known all these details and not put herslf in this mess.
don't mistake it here, even if she had chosen a muslim guy as her boyfriend (which is equally wrong), such activities are forbidden.

now, coming out to public to talk about this kind of stuff is in itself forbidden and incorrect, so desist from it.

above all, i pray to Allah to forgive you and make you see the truth and bring you onto the right path.

if i may ask, how would she feel if she finds out that you placed this on a thread.

think about all this, the real salvation is Islam. Allah would not look at whatever good deeds you must have done while leaving except you are a muslim.

i invoke Allah's forgiveness and mercy upon you and our sister currently under you.

best regards,

Well said. May Allah reward You abundantly.
@poster
Help the sister realise her mistakes by letting her go or betterstill, accept islam and get married to her ASAP.

There are good reasons for it. Even from a human reasoning, talking in the toilet is highly unhygienic. But even if we do not see this reason, as Muslims, what ever the Almighty God commands, we hear and obey without questioning the rationale behind it.
Islam is a complete way of life. We have rules guiding all we do. Alhamdulilah.

It's not only in the toilet that one souldn't talk. It also applies to all dirty and/or stinking places like refuse dumps or open places where people urinate. one must keep silent in these places as these are where the jinns reside.
However, some scholars are of the opinion that one can talk in a toilet (if necessary) provided it's very clean, neat like d modern toilets we have today. but this has to be done while NOT urinating or defeacating. One should definitely keep the mouth shut while doing these acts no matter how tidy and clean d toilet is.

Don't mind her. she's just being mischievious. she's trying to discourage xtians from partaking in Sallah meals hence telling them they'll have stomach upsets (belle go run) because of their interest in the feast (long throat).

codebase:
About the TMC


Thats is the problem with the TMC, they interpert Quraan and Hadith based on societal affiliations and this is very wrong Islam.

I agree some MSS are like TMC in believe and Aqeedah but not the MSS in Osun and Ondo axis especially IFE, IFE MSS is totally different Alhamdulilahi.

I could talk deeper but I wont since I do not believe that we have to was our dirty Linen outside because we I know we have thread crashers like Queenisha and Davidlan about.

@codebase
Jazakumullah khayran. This is d major reason i have decided to keep quiet over the TMC issue. we should deal with such things within ourselves, not publicly.

teeboyy:
@ biggozz

I would advise you not to seek advice over sensitive issues like this at Nairaland. Reason? because a lot of people here are in worse condition than the proverbial blind man that tries leading the blind, you would simply asilmilate a dose of distorted and unhealthy views.
And it is so embarrassing that Seun is making such a wrong contribution.

Find a good marriage advisor, and my piece is that you communicate more with your husband to know what he has not told you that gets him angry and be the virtous woman, prayerfully handle it, it will get better.
Cheers.


Am very sure you are a married man, for you to have a deep thinking and not like that of Se**
I guess that is the best thing to do. Dont divorce your MAN b'because he wil definitely change, And improve in what ypu do as a wife

Correct.
haba!Seun and co. ki la gbe ki le ju? there are ups and downs in evwery marriage and this may be just a phase in theirs

cold:
If he's a bloody human y d "peace be unto his name"crap or the so called "SAW".Besides u only touched on the human part,what about the promiscuity & deceit part.What about the routine stoning of the devil part that kills in thousands,What about the fastin part-u eat by 4:30 in the mornin & wait till evenin that is nothin but 1-0-1.What about the issues u hav wit the eclipse claimin it is as a result of the sinful deeds of infidels.Listen young man Islam is a hoax.

Jesus was born human in order to integrate with fellow mortals,the corollary therefore is that he even though the son of the living God had all the traits of a mortal.He was born in a manger to an everyday family,grew up like every mortal,suffered for our sins even though he was of no sin.In the end he was crucified & rose from the dead to prove he was the Messiah.
If u think this is mere history then i shldn't proceed any further.And no i havn't seen the rejoinder,i'D b happy if u can direct me on how to lay my hands on it.

Why are U getting so hot? I only responded to what you posted. If U need answers to the other issues you raised, why not create a thread and we'll discuss this better. Or betterstill, learn about Islam objectively and see the beauty therein.

pilgrim.1:
@cold,

Please don't be disturbed or over-react by the silly things you read from these fellows.

We have argued endlessly about the same things you highlighted: some of the threads have been deleted; others locked; and yet others marked out as no-go areas. So, there's nothing new about these debates.

One can understand why the few muslims you see in the Christian childboard are only showing that they are not satisfied with their Islamic/Muslim childboard - which is a very, very good sign. . . because we can show them the truth they deny, shower love upon them, and constantly invite them to reason and enjoy the fellowship that they so miss in their own section. If they were satisfied with Islam, they would not be here. So let them come over and keep coming to prove their disatisfaction in their own quarters.

Cheers.

Funny, aren't U? Can U boast of never going to the Islamic forum at any time. Are u unaware of the number of Christaians who parade the Islamic forum and hardly leaves there? Do we say U and these others are tired of Christainity and the lack of fellowship in d christain forum?

kola oloye:
No one is claiming here that Jesus is God. What we are saying is that He is the Messiah that was spoken of ,long time ago.
He was crucified for our sins. He is the only one that sits at the throne with the father.

He said, " in my fathers house are many mansions,i go,to prepare a place for you,after i shall return
to take you and be with me and my father. No other one has ever claimed such.

Except a man repent and be born again he/she cannot see the kingdom of God.
I REST MY CASE

Did I hear U say no one is claiming that Jesus is God? Then that must be a new development. Consult with fellow christains and they'll tell he's God. Or do U have a different ideology? where exactly do U stand?

cold:
Let us assume hypothetically that what u're sayin is tru.It is also in your qor'an that so called prophet (whateva his name is) also ran from mecca to medina for his dear life,foisted his promiscuity on his followers & diguised it as a doctrine,sold his followers a dummy of "70 virgins per head" in aljanah & (let me pause for now & wait for the rejoinder)In any case if u nid more facts about the greatest delusion in the history of mankind go read Salmon Rushdie's SATANIC VERSES

Muhammed, Rasullulah (p.b.u.h.) never claimed to be God and the Quran does not tell us that too, he, (p.b.u.h), was a human, a Prophet and messanger of God and he lived a fulfilled life as a human, messanger of God. The point here is that the person U claim is God, should not run for cover because God is a life giver and sustainer and is above everyone. Do you get the point?
Have U read the rejoinder to the book u mentioned?

@olabowale
Jazakallah khayran

Fancier:
Salam my Fellow Muslims
Please I would want to make some enquiries on this trend

When a girl is on her Mensural period, Aside not observing Salat and not touching the Holy Qur'an,

What other restrictions do we have? can the person read other prayer books like the Al-Mathuurat?
and so on
please I need an urgent answer for this.

Ramadan Mubarak Ma Salam

A woman in her menstrual period should not observe salah and should not fast, and according to some scholars, should not hold the Mushaf (Quran) except if she's a student learning the quran in which case she's allowed to hold it to learn. Most scholars are also agreed that a menstruating woman can read of what she knows from the Quran offhand, for example, when she wants to do her morning and evening dhikr where she'll need to recite surah Ikhlas etc. She should not also sit in the mosque though she can go in there or pass through the mosque if there's need for it.
But as for all other books aside the Quran like the Hadith, Al-mathuurah, Islamic texts, she's free to hold and read these ones.
Allahu a'lam.

The simple amswer is that age reduction is tantamount to lying. If a Muslim believes that what Allah decrees for him/her will definitely come to pass, he/she wont lie because of an ordinary job or any other reason for that matter. Do U know that people also lie about their age to prospective suitors?

olekus:
Salamuailekum!

Ramadan Kareem to all my muslim brothers and sisters. may Almighty Allah grant us all the benefits of the holy month.

Please can some one post the "Kiyamaleilli (mid-night nafila)" ?

maa salam!

salam alaykum. What are U asking about midnight nafila? There's no timetable or rigid programme for kiyamulael. You should just do ur ablution and pray any number of raka'a u're able to observe.
We have narrations that Rasullulah never exceeded 11 rakah and in other  narrations 13 rakah including the witr. However, the Prophet's kiyamulael used to be very long as he'd recite very long surah on each standing.
 Please let us note that the timetable being circulated today specifying the number of rakah and the name of surah to be recited for tahajjud are innovations that we shouldn't take part in.
Islam makes things easy for us. Let us observe our tahajjud reciting what we know of the qur'an and hope for Allah's reward,

Virgo83:
@ zayhal
You seem so, but I am not. How will I envy myself, 'cause envying Her is as if am envying myself. She's my Sister in Islam, We're bound by a Brotherhood.
So I'll never be envious of Mukina and neither am I doing this in order to play Her role, what I'm clamoring for is For Mustay to take the Leadership Role and She should assist Him. And that She seeks authorships from Mustay anytime She'll be the First to comment on any Topic, all this were to perfect this Page above every other pages on Nairaland, to let them know we were truly Muslims, "Islamist" not only by Birth or Conversion but By Nature .

OK. may Almighty Allah better our affairs.

As-salam alaykum warahmatullah wabarakatuh. Barka Jum'ah.
Today is Sha'ban 28th.

davidylan:
Just ignore those fools . . . i'D be more worried if the members were arab or hausa.

I used to think U were intelligent. Now I have to think otherwise. Bigger fools will watch their dead been illtreated and keep quiet over it.

nuzo:
Nigerians, turn suicide bombers?
Fact is that they are the most dangerous religious fanatics i have noticed, but when it comes to loosing their own lives; better count them out.
Na only cowards full the country. They cannot even stage a peaceful protest to confront the ills in the country especially in govt for the fear of being fired tear gas.

As for the guys who feel their dead brother is still going through pains in death, i think they should be canvassing for better health care and services for the living. But if the dead guy is the top in their list, then they should go ahead with the suicide bombing if that will get Fash to pay more attention to the pains of dead people.

yemmyse:
Abeg

Someone should please appeal to Governor Fashola. We don't want suicide bombers terrorising us in Lagos. We have enough problems and issues to contend with in the state.

Myopic sights, small minds.

babs787:
@Zayhal

Salm and I appreciate your post but let me quickly go through it.


Sister, you don't just jump to conclusion or should I say level allegation without anything to back it up. I am not saying somebody is perfect or not but with regards to TMC, you have no proper understanding of what you are saying. I asked in one of my posts to suply me just one of the hadith you claimed happened to be fabricated and we look at it in the light of the Quran, Hadith and Ijmaa. There is even a programme called Figh Forunm where TMC shed light on Figh USunnah because the one in circulation doesnt explain some things in details and if you are very conversant and used to attending lectures especially Adkar organised first Sunday of every month, you would have learnt a lot and see where people come up with questions and we attend to their questions using the Quran, Hadith with Isnad to support same. If you have been vising lectures regularly, you would have come across texts, materials, books, journals etc being displayed at the entrance of the mosques and if you are able to check very well, you would see that most of these books answer what you claimed here. Muslims don't just buy books but that of a trusted source because some authors publish book just for money and nothing else. One of my sibblings happened to a strong member of MSS and we share the same things and he attends TMC lectures has the tapes being sold at Thani Olodo in Yaba and some of the books produced by TMC members.

Sister, thumb up for your post. I think you can't be in the position to speak for MSS but every member would be able to do that perfectly. If you care to know, I used to attend MSS lectures and still do that one in a while when I am around and can still tell you that they have lots in common and most MSS members turn out to be a TMC member because it one of the societies that doesnt associate Bidiah to their modus operandi and like I told you, I can not attend most of the popular societies because the foundation is not based truly on Islamic principles. I attend lectures and can categorically tell you that some of the societies waste lot of time trying to give ordinary lecture. When you are even talking about societies that you would learn lots about Islam, Hadith, Sunnah and Tajweed, then you have TMC beside you. I would even welcome MSS member to bring issues forward. I am not going against or supporting any leaders but based my acceptance on facts from Quran, Hadith, Sunnah.


Oh no. How could you say its of no interest to you when you raised it earlier? You should be able to provide it if you really want us to get to the root of this issue. I am not saying he made any comment or not but would like to have it and we view it together. We are bound to make mistakes like you rightly said but not that kind of costly mistakes and you know that all we say or do would be accounted for.

May Allah increase our knowledge

Maa Salam

online maybe

@babs787
Jazakumullah khayran for the patience taken to type. I attended the programmes they organised for the people going to hajj. Perhaps this isn't enough to conclude on TMC. Maybe I've not been with them long enough but I dont intend attending anymore as I dont like to belong to any group.
I have a copy of the book u mentioned. I know a lot about MSS. Interestingly, a lot of MSS members don't give much regard to TMC. Go to A.A.U, UNAD, UNIBADAN,IFE and ask teh MSS members about TMC or Ustah Dhikrullah. U'd be surprised what they'll say. I'm not in position to condemn any scholar. who am I to do that? but I can differentiate my right hand from the left.
On what Shaafi said regarding Albani, it was a passing comment he made at Muzdalifah when an argum,ent came up on whether to pass d night there or not. but really, it's no longer of interest to me. we're all humans and are prone to mistakes.