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Enigma:
If the structure of tithing under the laws is for the Jews only and has been done away with and if that means that "tithing" today is only in accordance with the example of Abram and not the law:

why then does Oyakhilome say that those not "tithing" are robbing God?

Bros, this na simple question. i go score 100/100 for this one you know oyaks is a 'god' just like our man joagbaje & others. 'robbing God' (by withholding oyaks 10%) is simply denying oga oyaks of his 'godly' egunje As a 'Don' sorry 'god' the 10% is simply protection money compensation for his effort on the pulpit how you expect the man to 'chop', ehn or even pay his goons sorry, i meant junior 'gods' boys, like joagbaje & co

Edit: e be like i don write 'out of point' for this question

Joagbaje: Don't give to God what Is for parents,
Don't give to The poor what is for God
Don't give to parent what Is for God
Don't give to the poor what is for the man of God.
Don't give to the man of God what is for God.

I don't see how the Mark verse support your assertions above, maybe you should take another look.

Mark 7:11-13 (NIV)
11 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)— 12 then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. 13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”

Verse 9 of same chapter refers to you. you observe your own traditions setting aside God's command

Mark 7:9 (NIV)
9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe[a] your own traditions!

If you must contribute, contribute by answering the question below

Enigma:
4. What is the difference between giving to God and giving to the needy?

Grey Beard:
So if we put this all together what we get is Psts Chris and Anita authoring and publishing material which they (strongly) encourage their church members to pay for TWICE (once indirectly in tithes, offerings etc and once directly to the publishers - Psts Chris & Anita themselves) before any one sees it for free.

Now to me, if it looks like a scam and it smells like a scam, then what is it. . . ?

It depends. You did not tell us the ultimate beneficiary of the sales proceed. i.e. If the sales money goes back to the church. It's possible the church policy is not to use regular collections (tithe & offerings) for such publications, so whatever is made from the sales goes to replace (or seen as a refund) the church fund used for printing. It's also possible that church expenses exceed takings in tithes & offerings (the case fore a good umber of churches).

5solas:
The article sheds light on the apparent contradiction.

i don't know what the author was talking about. It appears you understand the article, maybe you can explain.

5solas:
How can it be the will of God that Jesus be crucified when it is His commandment  that we don't kill?

Laws (or commandments) applies to activities already in place or to activities likely to occur. The commandment is meant to guide behaviors but does not stop acts or behaviors that are contrary it. What that means is that somebody was going to do the killing.

plaetton:
Is tithe a special type of fund that should go to where? Where? Where?

The tithe as practice today is the creation of the pastors So the use of the fund will vary from one church to another. That's the pastor's prerogative

aletheia:
Good. Now look at the part bolded above. The spiritual parallel is this: We were spiritually dead before being created anew. Can a dead man will himself to life?

I believe your question should be "can a spiritually dead man will himself to life?". We are discussing choice and not the outcome of the choice. 'Willing himself to life' implies control over the outcome of the choice.

aletheia:
^Will you please clarify this:

To acknowledge your sin and need of salvation.

aletheia:
The process has zero input from us:

aletheia:
Do you see the answer to your question: NO MAN CAN COME TO ME, [size=14pt]EXCEPT[/size] THE FATHER WHICH HATH SENT ME DRAW HIM

No one dispute the fact that no man can come to Christ except the father draw him. How you interpret that verse is what I want to understand. Nobody argues the fact that eternal life is a gift (beyond our control). One cannot come to Christ except he is drawn by the Father. What are the criteria for one to be eligible? Is the selection arbitrary? Yes God can influence our decisions, but does it take away our ability to make choices? My interpretation of your post is this; it is God that determines those that will ultimately believe and those that will die in unbelief.

I need your thoughts on the following instances where we find a display of belief/faith:

Matthew 9:21-22 (KJV)
21For she said within herself, If I may but touch his garment, I shall be whole. 22But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.

The woman was made ‘whole’ base on her faith. Was the woman pushed to exercising such faith or was it a conscious decision or both?

Matthew 9:28-29 (KJV)
28And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord.  29Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.

If it was God deciding those that will believe, do you think there would really be a need for Christ wanting confirmation?

Consider the case of the Centurion below

Luke 7:9(KJV)
  9When Jesus heard these things, he marvelled at him, and turned him about, and said unto the people that followed him, I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

Why should Jesus marvel at the display of faith? He should know it was not of the Centurions doing

Consider the verse (below) from John 14

John 14:1(KJV)
1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

It appears that disciples can still make conscious decision. What do you think?

Also consider Cornelius . . .

. . . . . . 2A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway. Acts 10:2 (KJV)

Do you think Cornelius was operating on auto pilot/cruise control?

Peter made reference to the case of Cornelius in Act 15 (below)

Acts 15:7-8 (KJV)
7And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.  8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;

Help me out here, what is Peter saying when he stated “and God, which knoweth the hearts . . . “

Consider also the case of the jailer

Acts 16:30-34(KJV)
30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. 32And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. 33And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. 34And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

The question in verse 30, can we say it was not the jailer talking, or say it was not of his own desire to be saved? Why would the apostles tell him to believe if the jailer has no control over such act?

Paul before King Agrippa (below). . . . .

Acts 26:17-18 (KJV)
17Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, 18To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Paul was sent to the Gentiles to open their eyes. How?

@Joagaje, Congratulations.

aletheia:
A sincere decision to become born again will not save one. He needs to be given a new nature by God. The 1st chapter of John demolishes this premise of yours that one can decide to become born again?

I don't know why you keep doing this to me You take a position on my behalf and argue against it I can't remember saying one is saved based on any decision

aletheia:
A sincere decision to become born again will not save one. He needs to be given a new nature by God.

We know the decision will not save, it's a part of the process, a step in the right direction.

aletheia:
The 1st chapter of John demolishes this premise of yours that one can decide to become born again?

So how do one become born again? what is the process like? Don't avoid this question ooh i need response from you.

aletheia:
To put it in human terms: did you decide that your parents should give birth to you.

No basis for comparison here. There was previously no form of existence prior to physical birth. If there was and people were given the ability to reason, nobody will want to come through a family in mushin or ajegunle, not when you have the rich options like Bill Gates, Buffet, Dangote, Otedola, GEJ, even pastor oyedepo

aletheia:
Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. [Joh 1:13]

That sincere decision to become born again falls under the will of the flesh, the will of man

Yes, they were born of the will of God, no wahala. You referred to John 1:13 also consider John 1:11-12

John 1:11-12 (KJV)
11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12[b]But as many as received him[/b], to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

So my question is this; who makes the decision to receive or not to receive him?

aletheia:
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. [1 Jn 3:9]

One question; is it possible for somebody that is born of God to disown him/her self, to enable him engage in those activities the father would not permit I need answers oooh don't avoid this one.

aletheia:
Any one who continues to sin after being "born again" deceives himself and was not born again to start with.

com'oon, how can you say a thing like this? The person could have been sincere in his/her decision to become born again. What i read you say is that only those that made it to heaven were actually saved at the time they took the decision to become born again. It's like working from the answer to the question I don't think there would have been a need for series of letters written by the Apostles to the early Christians, there will be no need for the pastors to preach on Sundays. If the apostles did a good job of making a true born again out of unbelievers, there will be no need for the reminders, exhortations e.t.c

aletheia:
So a "born-again" man who somehow dies and goes to hell has been lost. . .meaning God was simply unable to save him, contrary to what scripture teaches.

What do you expect? if the man refuse to submit himself for salvation nko salvation no be by force na

frosbel:
It is deceptive to suggest that they were never of us, as John was here referring to true believers, who like Judas were saved, but went back into sin. Hence their hearts were never in it ( the race ) in the first place.

Thank you jare

Image123:
The question is not too clear. Was he right as in to do what? If you mean whether he was right to slap her, i don't know. It's not my call. He may be right or he may be wrong.

You don't know, and you are defending oyedepo

Image123:
If it's not their business, YES.

When exactly does it become their business? So if observe your neighbor is being robbed, you'll go back to bed (no need to call the police) cos it's not your business abi? If you observe a child being kidnapped (right in front of your house), you'll lock your door and go to bed, it's not your child abi?

Image123:
Zikkyy, i don't like all these improper analogies and you know it. Which one is the issue of footballers now. Slapping is not just an issue of criminals, touts and childabusers, no , not in nigeria. In nigeria, any group of person slaps. Parents, teachers, friends, siblings, rich and poor. Everybody slaps, you no dey watch naija films ni?

you still don't get the message, that's why you think they are improper analogies. Pastors are expected to serve as custodian of Christian norm and values. The fact that people slap does not make it right. Pastors are suppose to check and not participate in the slap craze.

Image123:
When mog 'worshippers' start now, it's you and co that will say everybody is mog, we're all anointed. But now, you want to nail him, he's suddenly Shepherd and in the ranks of the apostles. Double standards, man.

There is no double standard. A gathering will always require some form of co-ordination and direction to be effective or successful. I have never denied the fact that there has to be a lead (as individual or group). What i have always condemned is the elevation (by members) of these leaders to God status, and pastors abusing or taking advantage of their leadership position to oppress, milk and mislead the congregation.

Image123:
Whether in private or in public, this self acclaimed winch has shown no power whatsoever. All she's receiving is pity 'poor little innocent girl'. It's more than a year now for her to have displayed her private powers on Oyedepo since winches are shy in public like you implied.

Maybe she was never a winch. You should be asking if the young girl truly have winch powers Did you ever consider that possibility? The boy that was always thinking of sexual things did not claim to be a winch, though he came out when winches were called. You are one of those people that will quickly grab a used tire and a petrol anytime you hear somebody shout 'ole'. Only God knows the number of innocent people you've burnt

@Image123, if a referee in a football match decides to start hacking down players on the pitch, even take a spot kick (and score goals) on behalf of one of the team, there is nothing wrong because that's what footballers do abi? Also consider a situation where you have the sheep on the field raiding other peoples farm and destroying their crops and at the same time the shepherd is also attacking other people farm land doing his damage, there is nothing wrong in the actions of the shepherd abi? cos that's what sheep do; destroy other people farms.

Image123:
Oh so zikkyy, when it's time for you to judge, Oyedepo's no a different pedestal and people should go berserk on him, but at your convenience, he's just a man like every other and deserves no anointed or mog status. You're truly drunk.

No, not me. You are the one that believes he does not deserve a special treatment. You are the one comparing him to touts, criminals, child abusers e.t.c (afterall touts slap people at the bus-stop on  daily basis) I am giving him the MOG treatment If i have to make any comparison, it will with Adeboye, oyakhilome, e.t.c (edit: serious comparison will be using the apostles to benchmark, and oyedepo will disappoint) We have 26 pages of post because the shepherd is displaying characters/traits normally observed in a sheep. Maybe it's because he has been hanging out with the sheep for way too long and failed to realise he's gradually turning into a sheep

Image123:
Oyedepo was only daring her. He's provoking her to show her powers. But the result was powerless power.

Mr Image have you ever seen a winch showing power in public? The is probably the result of watching plenty American winch movies. LOL you are truly a clown. Maybe you should be spending more time in the entertainment section, discussing the lastest winch movies

tpia@:
And just for the record- i'm not saying people should start beating up others at will but the church is seriously too lax today and hopefully somebody will learn from this incident.

Yep, let's hope oyedepo repents and apologize.

Image123:
I mean, people are going berserk here. People don't go berserk during power outages. How you compare a slap to killing, childsex, corruption, armed robbery and kidnapping is ridiculous. Ask any one day old christian, do you go to hell for armed robbery, kidnapping, stealing and co, the answer is obvious, a YES. Do you go to hell for slapping? The answer may not be so obvious. Context, my brother, context. What's all the noise about?

If it was oyedepo switching off the'light' people will go beserk; if it was oyedepo doing the killing people will go beserk; if he was involved in child sex, armed robbery or kidnapping, similar response. Do you know why? it's because it's oyedepo, but because you worship pastors there's no way you'll understand

Image123:
What was she doing in his church and hiding? Did she come out voluntarily to be delivered, or ran out during countdown? Who forced her? Who said i'm a winch for Jesus? Who? Who's innocent? Doctrinally, you receive forgiveness from God when you ACCEPT you've sinned, and then BELIEVE in Jesus the Saviour. She was defending/trying to defend her 'sin'. She came out to say she's winch and was defending it. Such a person cannot receive forgiveness/deliverance yet, sorry truth. Others would have received their 'deliverance'. There's no point wasting time on someone who's not ready to let go, when many are willing. Jesus came to call sinners, not righteous winches. Do you even understand doctrine to start with?

What does any of these prove. It's definitely not a justification for oyedepo's response

Image123:
Zikkyy, how long would you be drunk? Put away your alcoholic wine na, put it Far Far Far, lest you slap somebody.

Yeah, and i feel like dishing out some e-slaps right now You are truly a disappointment supporting a crime just becos it was committed by a pastor So if oyedepo robs a bank, it is not an issue because there are bigger issues like OBJ & co looting the central bank

Image123:
And he obviously wasn't slapping her to 'deliver' her. He seemed more to slap her to DARE/provoke her. He's not afraid of winch, that's the 'moral lesson' from the video.

So it's okay for oyedepo to commit a crime just to prove he is not afraid of witch

Image123:
Think now dare, this is nigeria, where slap is NOT violence, at least not yet. You don't go to police station and say they slapped me, it's still laughable in nigeria. Students slap, children sLap, parents slap, policemen slap. Slap is still normal in the nigerian context. It's nigeria remember, nigeria. It's a different world here. Dstv, startimes and co is affecting many people here. Oyedepo's not making a doctrine of slapping people. The winch had guts to come all the way to his church, and to his front to say what she said. He didn't go to her house to slap her, or tell his congregation to go and be slapping witches. And he obviously wasn't slapping her to 'deliver' her. He seemed more to slap her to DARE/provoke her. He's not afraid of winch, that's the 'moral lesson' from the video. Not all these castles people are building in the air about their disgust and anger. Crying more than the bereaved. Sect of frustrated and impotent people all over.

You don't belong here. This section is for adults. I think it's time the owners of NL create a section for Kids, where you can fully express yourself. Don't come back here till you are grown-up

OLAADEGBU:
You have to first address the issue of whether you are a new creature or not.  If you are a new creature why will you want to move around in your grave cloths?

Nna, why do you keep shifting the goalpost? Now you've taken the goalpost off the pitch and kept in your bedroom Oga, i was responding to a post where you said Christian sins are not willful. Now you are telling me i have to "first address the issue of whether the Christian is a new creature or not"

OLAADEGBU:
If you commit the act of adultery at all you should examine yourself whether you were in the faith in the first place.

You told us a Christian "falls rather than dive into sin". Now you are telling me to first examine whether the Christian that "falls into sin" was a Christian in the first place. Oga OLAADEGBU, na wa for you

OLAADEGBU:
If you insist on playing the "gility or not gility" game I suggest you visit the link below.  I certainly didn't pass that test. Click on the link and see what I did to qualify for heaven.

http://www.areyouagoodperson.org/

I think you are confused tell me how the above address the issue of Christians being 'forced' to sin.

OLAADEGBU:
It's about the water, is the water then your natural habitat like it is to a fish?  Are you a permanent swimmer that only comes up briefly for fresh air?  Are you a saint or a sinner?  Righteous or unrighteous?  Upright or crooked?

LOL Please tell me, what other difference (aside frequency ) exist between the man that commits adultery once a year and the man that commits same act once weekly?

OLAADEGBU:
"If you squeeze a lemon, you should get lemon juice.  If you squeeze an orange, you should get orange juice.  If you squeeze a Christian, you should get Christ."

I agree with you on this one. I guess the problem has to do with a lot of lemons masquerading as Christians There is that possibility you could be a lemon Have you been squeezed lately

helpee:
if the media response is based on expectation which means you agree it is out of proportion then you don't expect a similar treatment under the law.

I don't understand.

helpee:
So stop complaining that some people are behaving as if they are above the law cos it is you that is giving them preferential treatment.

I want to believe that 'you' as used in the post above refers to society and not zikkyy. If oyedepo has been given preferential treatment, you think he is right to abuse it?

helpee:
And imagine a senator, I mean a senator of the federal republic of Nigeria being accussed of masterminding the killings of hundrends of people via boko haram, it baffles me that up till now nobody is gathering signatures to recall him to his constituencies.

Now you are making false accusations. If i remember correctly, he is being accused of concealing information or criminal intimidation, not masterminding the killing of hundreds of people. Am sure there are threads in NL (try the political section) that addresses your concern.

helpee:
So if touts are daily killing at ojuelegba let us agree it may not generate enough media hype. What about a senator? Why are you people not engaging this guy in a media war? By now he wud have resigned but after killing people, he is still our senator. Expectation my foot!

It's obvious you don't understand my post. Politicians are no different from touts in Nigeria. Politicians kill as a matter of routine. So why are we not surprised when we heard that a senator was involved? It was because we knew it was just a matter of time before the government produce  list of politicians involved. Now why would you want to compare pastor oyedepo to a regular politician? Is oyedepo a tout? Does he commit crime at the rate Lagosians drink pure water? if your answer is yes, than i agree we re taking it too far with our condemnation. Pastors are expected to be custodian of Christian norms And values, and not ABUSERS. I hope you now understand what i meant by expectations.

helpee:
you are beginning to get the logic without knowing. If you slap your your own child in america, you may be sued for child abuse but in nigeria we discipline our children daily. That doesn't mean the americans are right it is their value and that doesn't make us wrong. Pastors in america are not slapping their members but they are joining homosexuals in matrimony. Is that the value we want to follow.

Let's leave out the Americans. Does the Nigeria Law allow for such abuse? Outside of the law can we say it's morally right for oyedepo to abuse those that cannot hit back, the poor (downtrodden) simply because he can?

helpee:
If you study my write up very well  I am not saying oyedepo is right

Okay.

helpee:
If you study my write up very well  I am not saying oyedepo is right but labelling him a fraud, a thief a fake prophet for a single act of slapping is outrageous to say the least.

People already labelled him a fraud prior to the incident. They have their reasons. Don't know if they are right. Based on some of his teachings (e.g. tithe) and life style, i could also consider him a fraud but i'll play safe and instead criticize/comment on those actions/teachings i have issues with.

helpee:
If you read most of the response it is borne out of pent up anger not because he slapped somebody.

I agree with you, and i don't think people you are referring to will deny this fact.

helpee:
rather it is sad to see people exaggerate a so called crime they all commit daily simply because a pastor is involved. How many times have we seen teachers slap their students, why are they not in jail?

I hope you are not a lawyer. cos if you are, your client will be getting maximum sentence Your defense would go like this:

"so? if my client thief nko, what's your business? what about OBJ? even Gov Uduaghan? are they not thieves? how come they are not in jail? abeg leave my client alone jare"

The fact that others commit crimes of similar nature is no justification.

helpee:
rather it is sad to see people exaggerate a so called crime they all commit daily simply because a pastor is involved.

I think it's perfectly normal. It's based on expectations and status of the person involved. You can imagine the media response if Oyedepo was caught picking pockets at obalende bus-stop. That's not to say there are no touts picking pockets on a daily basis.

helpee:
Let's be sincere with ourselves, these guys are successful. The hatred they generate on this forum is a further testimony to the fact that the got something right.

Being successful does not confer the right to physically abuse the weak or those much lower on the social ladder. Its sad to see people defending a crime just because the person involved is a 'pastor'.

Joagbaje:
What are you saying ? You've forgotten so easily.  The way  I.D earswide is pursuing me about now ,was the way you were pursuing me about taunting me that I'm a liar an not an artist.

If you've said i was responding to every post you made (which we know is not true), i'll accept that. If you even accuse me of throwing some 'yabbies' your way, i will accept (but you were not the only beneficiary). But to say i was sent to stalk/accuse you is unacceptable please provide evidence or instances where zikkyy said Joagabje was never an artist.

Joagbaje:
Almost every thread you followed me about.

What's wrong with zikkyy countering a view he does not agree with? I believe that's what the forum is about. Please don't attempt painting the picture of a saint here, you are not one

Joagbaje:
When others campaign against me, you don't see anything wrong, when I respond that's when it is wrong.

Enigma has not been on this thread, and Frosbel did not make reference to Joagbaje in his posts on the thread. So what are you talking about? If i have to accuse anybody of not being objective, it has to be you. Claiming you were being persecuted when you joined NL and zikkyy was one of them is wicked to say the least

Joagbaje:
Kunleoshob  and enigma started out linking me with CEC and publishing articles about me on this site. Which is against Nairaland rules. Yet Enigma is supposed to be a lawyer and a defender of human rights. I was happy that at least these individuals would be banned . I protested but not even a warning was given . I was disappointed . The rules are not bring followed.

@Joagbaje, the poll is currently ongoing, i don't think it's the right time to campaign. The above appears to be an attempt to give your opponent a bad name (so you can win more votes), even if that was never the aim

Joagbaje:
They Said Was lying ,kunle sent zikky id after me ooo. " youre liar ,yiure not an artist" etc for several months until I had to post some links that show some newpapers publications of few of my art exhibitions.

. . . . and what's this all about? more false accusations? Is this not enough proof that you are a liar?

OLAADEGBU:
Do you deliberately lie, steal, commit adultery/fornication, fight etc. (in the act) and then say that you will repent later?

If you want to plead 'not guilty', you have to come with defenses similar to what i have listed below:

1. False accusation - Somebody did it on your behalf.
2. Prove insanity
3. It happened in your dream

Otherwise you have to plead guilty Oga OLAADEGBU, there is always an option; it's either yes or no. You can't commit adultery then go to God and claim you were forced to do it. Who forced you? Even Jesus was tempted.

OLAADEGBU:
An eagle that is airborne is different from a fish that is aquatic, the fact that the eagle occasionally falls into water doesnt make it a fish, does it?  Do you swim in sin like a fish will swim in water?  Is sin natural to you as water is natural to a fish?

It is not bout the eagle or fish; it's about the water. Do you or do you not swim? Did the instruction state that permanent swimmers are not allowed, but occasional swimmers are welcome?

Joagbaje:
Secondly I would have loved to know on what ground she was slapped. Was it out of personal anger or a spiritual slap. I first assumed it was a personal fleshly anger but now I heard the man of God say it's a spiritual slap.

Lol Oga Jo, you don start which one be spiritual slap again ooh Are you saying there was no physical impact Your brother Rev'd King did something similar by attempting to burn the demon out of somebody (spiritual burning ). unfortunately he had to set the physical body ablaze to achieve that Rev'd King will be given a spiritual hanging, let's hope his body survive it You guys are just a bunch of clowns

Joagbaje:
Another end of the year has come. Many of us fast and pray in preparation for the new year. Some have fasted wrongly and it becomes a hindrance to prayer. The absence of food in the tummy is not the fasting but the seeking of the face of God in humility.

This time also is a time to remember the poor and the less privilege around us.  It a good time to empty ourselves and reach out to the less privilege.

Isaiah 58:5-9
5 Is this the kind of fasting I have chosen? Should people humble themselves for only a day? . . . 6 This is the kind of fasting I have chosen: Loosen the chains of wickedness, untie the straps of the yoke, let the oppressed go free, and break every yoke. 7 Share your food with the hungry, take the poor and homeless into your house, and cover them with clothes when you see them Unclad. Don't refuse to help your relatives. 8 Then your light will break through like the dawn, and you will heal quickly. Your righteousness will go ahead of you, and the glory of the LORD will guard you from behind. 9 Then you will call, and the LORD will answer. You will cry for help, and he will say, "Here I am!" Get rid of that yoke. Don't point your finger and say wicked things.

We have special outreaches in our ministry in a time like this . We reach out to the poor and less privilege to give them food ,money, and material things. Some other churches do similar things. If you don't belong to any church with such programmes , you can still do a personal reach out to the poor around you. Give sacrificialy. Give what cost you . As we empty ourselves , we open doors also to be replenished.

Proverbs 19:17
17 Whoever has pity on the poor lends to the LORD, and he will repay him for his good deed.

I don't know why you have to wait till December to make nice posts.

Joagbaje:
Another end of the year has come. Many of us fast and pray in preparation for the new year. Some have fasted wrongly and it becomes a hindrance to prayer. The absence of food in the tummy is not the fasting but the seeking of the face of God in humility.

This time also is a time to remember the poor and the less privilege around us.  It a good time to empty ourselves and reach out to the less privilege.

It would be nice if we don't have to wait till year end to remember the less privileged. It's difficult, i know. I only wish we can.

OLAADEGBU:
A Christian does not deliberately commit sin, if a Christian sins, it is against his will.

How is this possible?

OLAADEGBU:
One who is born again does not habitually commit sin.  He falls rather than dives into sin, he resists rather than embraces sin.

what's the difference? stop deceiving yourself. one can fall, dive, run, jump or crash into sin. The approach to sin does not really matter

^^^You refused to collect the goods after agreeing a price and you expect mallam to listen to you?

ramalot:
the name omopastor means a pastor's child. It appears this person takes your post to be a direct attack on his/her family's source of livelihood.

LOL