₦airaland Forum

Febup:
Conclusion:  Abram did NOT give a tenth of his income, or his wealth.  Abram gave a tenth of the spoils of war that didn’t belong to him and declined to keep the goods offered to him.  That is NOT an example of tithing for Christians to follow today.  By declining to keep any of the goods for himself, Abram showed his faith that God would provide.  That is the example of faith that Christians should be following.

Febup:
God never gave any pastor or church permission to receive his tithe.

Febup:
1 - According to the scriptures, priests do not tithe.
2 - As priests, all born-again believers are equal.  There is no better or lesser among us.  God has not designated any born-again believers to collect His tithe.
3 - To try and “tithe” today is denying that you are a part of a Royal Priesthood.

nlMediator:
Again, if you don'd mind, I'm asking once more: what is this spiritual principle that tithing is based on?

Joagbaje:
Learn to see others through the eyes of love and cherish them more for who they are and the good things they do.

Joagbaje:
Don’t believe all that others say about them. Have the necessary assumption that others are good and nice; start from there, and then let them be the ones to create their own images.

newmi:
haba you no go blame me hahaha! l hope say you no vez hmmm, l simply wanted to know.

wetu:
There's a difference between making a living from the gospel and making a killing.

newmi:
sorry ask God what?

Joagbaje:
Is God against our prosperity, whats your opinion

Joagbaje:
He only give us opportunity to position ourselves for receiving.  Jesus threw more light on it here.

Luke 4:25-27
25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land; 26 But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow. 27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.


Simple illustration of Jesus in summary :  Elisha helped Naaman ,Elijah helped the widow. Finish .

nlMediator:
PH and a pocketful of places are improving all right. But only because Nigeria has been so terrible that even hardly noticeable changes look so monumental. So shameful not too long ago when I was at the PH Int'l Airport and there was even no conveyor belt to move luggage. And this is wonderful?

Joagbaje:
Na bible you dey criticise no be me. Abi name write am?

nuella2:
You like trouble pass play, why?

nuella2:
What is this police van and prado talk for? In several states partners embarks on different projects, police van as even in Lagos, some free medical treatment, boreholes, computers, libraries etc.

nuella2:
Sometimes your talk dey tiya me

Joagbaje:
God only give a people the government they deserve. If the people become Godly , the government will change. Because the government is a reflection of the people.

Joagbaje:
People have been cursing governments all through decades. But that's a mistake . Curses will cripple economy.

Joagbaje:
Haven't we seen the changes Going on. Evil is being restrained , there is a wake up call for accountability and nation building. Many action governors are emerging.  I went to ph recently , I lost my way. Development everywhere. Bridges and roads, lagos , Benin, uyo and several places. even people who never painted their houses before began to pAint them. There is a growing consciousness for beautification.

Joagbaje:
So the idea is about the spirit of patriotism . Chinese built china, Koreans built Korea , and Nigeria can only be built by nigerians.

Joagbaje:
There is a wake up call.  The church also partner with the government is development by helping out in the prisons,school buses and library and helping out in security by donating, patrol vans , computers, communication equipment, Internet etc to mention few.

Azibalua:
The reach out Nigeria campaign is geared towers reaching out to the lost and at the same time promote a patriotic spirit among nigerians. It is celebrated on the 1st of October every year,

Azibalua:
It's here again, it's time to send the gospel into every nook and crany of this country thru our messenger angel,and also to promote patriotism among nigerians,

nuella2:
Do you know that even if God has defeated the devil on our behalf their are still christians that are still under the oppression of the devil bc they dont know how to walk in the victory that is available to them. Thats what i mean by walking in victory. There are christians that cant remember the last time they fasted abi prayed for one hour, now if such a christian is dealing with demonic oppression he might not be strong/sensitive enough to handle that matter but a prophet of God who is always fasting and praying will change that in minutes cos his words carry power because of the spiritual environment he lives.

nuella2:
The question is how big is your faith? Can your faith move a particular mountain in your life? My brother some challenge dem die wrapper o, lol. You need to be equipped for them.

nuella2:
So my brother this matter pass just talking and quoting bible it takes alot of exercising our spirit man to handle some situations.

nuella2:
Its like the law of gravity it got nothing to do with weda your a christian or not. If a person gives he will recieve-gbam! I philantropist will recieve even if is he is a muslim, satanist, sango priest or LovePeddler. Its a law its not just a christain belief

nuella2:
rain dey fall for everybody house na.

nuella2:
If a sango priests can accomodate a prophet i think that man was looking for God, and anyone that will do good to a child of God has certainly done good to God.

nuella2:
Words of blessing- They are prophetic utterances made by a Man of God

nuella2:
God has blessed us already, we are not about to be blessed

nuella2:
but several things can be hindering you from enjoying all God has for you. Some christians are not walking in victory even after they get born again, A prophet of God can speak words on you

nuella2:
What christian has been praying for years just one command from a prophet will bring an instant change.

nuella2:
What christian has been praying for years just one command from a prophet will bring an instant change.

Joagbaje:
What are we saying , when people give, is it not for their own good?.

Joagbaje:
Are you saying giving doesn't work?

nuella2:
When you give its a principle, it must multiply.

nuella2:
He that recieve a prophet receives a reward,

nuella2:
He that recieve a prophet receives a reward, if a prophet have nothing to give God will not say so.

nuella2:
Who helped who?

The woman could have said no to God's command, but she believed God and obeyed. The prophet spoke words of blessing he could have kept quiet therefore they both are people of faith, they responded to the voice of God. Even though what she recieved was multiplied the prophet could have missed a meal maybe if the woman held back her meal, God would have looked for another alternative.

Joagbaje:
That's what it appears to be physically but a man that has understanding of spiritual laws knows it's the other way.

Joagbaje:
Nesides,When God says he has commanded the widow, that doesn't mean she heard any voice.

Joagbaje:
It was a prophetic utterance just like saying "I have ordained her" to feed you.

Joagbaje:
But the woman physically was broke. She was about to die.

Joagbaje:
But the blessing lies with the manor God.

Joagbaje:
A man of God carries anointing to prosper.

Joagbaje:
She had to connect to the anointing by ministring to him with the food. If she had not done that , she would have died even though she had been ordained to feed him.

Joagbaje:
She must connect to "the prophets reward"  and that's what he made her do. He wasn't selfish , he had to make her operate spiritual law.

Joagbaje:
What she gave was a lesser blessing, what she received was a greater blessing.

Joagbaje:
Why was paul rejoicing for the things the philipians sent . He rejoiced not because he was excited at their gift, but he was excited about what they will recieve from him.

Joagbaje:
Who is helping who? The anointed man carries the blessing.

Joagbaje:
It is obvious ,the prophet helped the woman. God could have taken care of him without her as he had done before. She was the one who needed a miracle . The person who gives positions himself or herself for grace.

nlMediator:
The striking thing is that the woman got the right result. Today, many people that respond to that verse do not receive anything remotely resembling that result.

Joagbaje:
God takes care of the man of God, because of his ministry. He sent the bird to feed him he also sent an angel to feed him another time. He could have done it.

Joagbaje:
It is obvious ,the prophet helped the woman.

KunleOshob:
Nobody is helping anybody in the above passage as they were both obeying God's commands. It was God that commanded the widow directly to give out of her little to Elijah. Both benefited from each other but it was God that helped them both.

Ibime:
I would expect our imports to exceed our National budget ($27bln) and our oil income (which is roughly equal to the budget), but the only reason I doubt the figure is that it is higher than the GDP ($300 bln) which is the combined worth of the whole country.

nlMediator:
That's why I told you earlier that I did not see much room for disagreement. Both of you are saying the same thing, as much as both of you shudder to think that!

nlMediator:
People who are following God's principles because God instituted them are obeying God, regardless of the term they use.

Joagbaje:
But when we do the word of God , it is based on revelation of faith. Every christian love to live right. Because the nature of God is in him.

Joagbaje:
We do the word because we love God.

Joagbaje:
The word of God is any thing that is consistent with Gods plan and purpose for us in christ Jesus .

Joagbaje:
The issue is the contrast between obeying the law for a blessing and unconditional blessing.

nlMediator:
I'm sorry, you seem to be confusing commandments with THE Law. Anything you're required to do to get a result (reward) or avoid punishment is a commandment. And all the things I mentioned are ones you agree are required.

Enigma:
So, their yieldedness to "the word" is actually yieldedness to themselves; but that is no surprise, as their god is their belly so we shouldn't wonder that that is what they are yielded to!

nlMediator:
If you truly believe the above, especially the bolded, you'll not spend one second mentioning tithes, first fruits in church. Just teach members yieldedness to the Holy Spirit, and voila, they'll discover first fruits.

gn4dwnow:
That I give you a brand new Home Theatre is not a guarantee that you will use it well and enjoy it. You have to read the operation manual and follow its directions. When you do this, you are not obeying to get the system, it is yours already. It came unconditionally. Your following or obeying the manual is to enable you enjoy it, and not to receive what come free. If salvation is not free, who can pay for it?

Joagbaje:
My deed of faith will cause an outflow of the power through me. Because the blessing is in me. I have to create favourable circumstance to manifest it.  That is faith. Or deed of faith.

nlMediator:
^^^

From Post # 66:
“The will of God may not always come to pass if we don't do our part .That's where giving, living godly life, obedience, faith etc all come in.”

From Post # 74:
‘Don't mix up the context. The Israelites have to obey God to bless them. Jesus has obeyed on our behalf, we are blessed already . So we are not obeying any law to be blessed. But that doesn't take obedience out of our dictionary.it depend on the context.   When the Holy spirit told paul not to go to Asia  did paul not obey? .

Joagbaje:
That's what we are driving at. Love is a nature. That's who we are . Is a dog barking by commandments or following a law? There is already a law at work in his nature that makes it bark. Love is our nature. It is a law at work in the christian . It is not a commandment but our nature. We give it expression.

Demain_man:
Don't 'obey' God. 'Do' God instead''

These are not only pastors but also 'grammatical grammarians' too