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I have to say this sound interesting; this lesser & greater truth thing Jo, i hope you will be back

JeSoul:
^is this user ID meant to jab Deepsight? (DS who did you vex lately?) you're def not a newbie. Spill the beans dude, who are you?

You probably achieve better result torturing DS himself i also believe he is not a newbie, appears friendly though probably won't do much damage to the site.

JeSoul:
^Zikky, how body now?

My sister, i dey kampe

KunleOshob:
A friend of mine who sells computers in computer village Ikeja just told me that the biggest market for Ipad 2 is CEC plc.

You dey spoil business for your friend with this disclosure be that

Edit: maybe it's for an upcoming promo e.g. pay your tithe consistently for six months and qualify for the grand draw; first prize is ipad or win ten customers 'souls' over to cec and qualify for the mega draw; first prize, ipad

JeSoul:
I mean when you boldly claim you raised someone from the dead . . . why won't people be all over your case?

Una neva see anything, it won't be long before Jo claim he is God People go develop cardiac arrest for here

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μια μαλακία στάγδην χαρακτηρίζεται σαπουνόπερα

Οι Έλληνες ήταν αποφεύγονται από τον Ιησού

Ο Ιησούς αποφεύγεται εσκεμμένα οι Έλληνες, όταν οι μαθητές που υπάγονται πάνω από το κεφάλι τακούνια προσπαθούν να πείσουν το κοινό τους Έλληνες με τον

The owners and operators of NL really need to upgrade their anti-virus application

dare2think:
I dont want to use this thread for my interaction with you, but if you are ready, we can have a useful and educative chat on the role religion plays in our everyday lives on a saperate thread. .

. . . . this is one thread i'll be reading

dare2think:
what is the spiritual sybolism of tithing?

thanks

I can tell you Omo_Tier1 does not have a clue. Probably heard his/her pastor saying tithe has 'spiritual sybolism'

KunleOshob:
@Image123

When would you stop forcing your silly opinions into scriptures Anyway I don't have time for this baseless argument, I am off to drink beer with my tithe money as the scriptures commanded below;
25 Sell your produce[tithe] and take the money with you to the one place of worship. 26 Spend it on whatever you want beef, lamb, wine, beer and there in the presence of the lord your God, you and your family are to eat and enjoy yourselves. [Goodnews bible]

inedi:
This is God,s word. and it is law, what it say it is , then it is, you can not change it. thank you

. . . . and where is it written that it's law Are then saying that if i don't give, i will not receive

Joagbaje:
NLmediator has made his contribution, what is your own contribution? Taking a bite at joagbaje?. Open your bible and contribute.

What are you talking about you want me to open the bible and prove that Job suffering was not based on his negative confessions I would do that if we can relate negative confession to Job suffering, but we can not. It's not in the bible Jo, so i dont understand why you want me to open the bible

nuclearboy:
A lot of threads here will prove that point to you - you suddenly start getting questions like Azibula asking "What is truth?" then mabel saying "this is a poverty mentality", then newmi shows up with "I spit on this". Meanwhile, Jo keeps spreading poison.

This should not bother you Nuke.

@Nuke, i have to say i agree with DS & NLMediator on this disclosure thing. Is Jo really worth the exposure? i don't think so. i beg you, let it go.

Enigma:
By the way maybe there are four types of "tithes" after all, or even five?

Remember we have not yet added the Abram-Melchizedek tithe; neither have we added the Jacob (promised) tithe.

It seems we are beginning to head into 50% (or 52%, thanks to that too know zikky) territory here!

Another gospel according to joagbaje This is another desperate attempt by jo to support his crazy theory regarding the effect of negative confession on the life of a Christian.

snthesis:
3 tithes = to 30% of your harvest/salary,

If you are paying cash, it's 32%

snthesis:
3 tithes = to 30% of your harvest/salary,

It's an average of 20% (farm produce)/22%(cash), third tithe is paid 3 year interval

snthesis:
now am really confused, are you saying that there are different types of tithes?

Snowwy:
@snthesis,
Yes there were actually 3 tithes.

Correct

inedi:
and if you most receive then you most  give

You are yet to provide scriptures oh or you are saying this is not scriptural

inedi:
given is given, wether to pastor,church project,the poor, charity etc. you have set a principle in motion. and it most sure work if you faint not.

I see there's no way i can get you to stop focusing on the profits (returns) from giving you just can't help it, it's impossible for you to make just one statement on giving without talking about the returns why is it so difficult Some serious damage has been done here, if all you see whenever you hand over your giving (pastor, poor, project e.t.c) is the 'ghana must go' sack God will be handing over and you tell me you dont give for the profit

inedi:
or if think that we are interpriting the scripturs wrongly. then you tell us what you understand by what jesus was talking about in luke 6:38.

It's not just a matter of interpretation, it's the emphasis. It's an indication of your motive. Because you want to 'hammer' big time  you are so focused on the money, you refused to see the true messaage from Christ. Please take another look at the Luke chapter again. Some verses before the verse 38 so you love to quote will provide the general direction of Christ message to you e.g.

30Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.

34And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.

35But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

The empaahsis was on loving your neighbour, not on giving for blessings My brother inedi, you don't need to worry about the hundred fold returns from your act of giving ( as long as it's with a sincere heart), just focus on the love you can spread. Thats's what Christ expects of you. When you preach giving for returns, you are not preaching love.

NLMediator:
Giving is important but the over-emphasis on financial giving as a route to wealth-building has no scriptural or practical foundation and is at the root of many ills plaguing the Church today.

Joagbaje:
Nobody said isaac gave money into the soil. Isaac illustration is a parallel of spiritual truths

Jo is a die hard flock fleecer, there's nothing you say to make him see the truth

NLMediator:
Frankly, my intention and interest revolve around getting members of the Church to start using their brain - again.

You will need intervention/assistance from above to succeed here

NLMediator:
Problem is that many christians have not allowed the Word and Spirit of God to make that transformation in them perhaps either because they do not want to, are too lazy to do so, or have not been presented with the opportunity.

They have all the opportunity, maybe some are lazy but i think its because they do not want to For me i think it all comes down to motive, the reason for accepting the word. One is more likely to align with messages that is in sync with their objectives. A good number of people are in church to seek assurance/hope, some sort of security from or solution to life's challenges. There is much reliance on the pastor to achieve this. Pastors have create for them a comfort zone where they view issues from a perspective that provide assurance, hope & comfort. making that transformation alters a lot, including their perception of the pastor.

NLMediator:
Oh, btw, my reference to Abuja was not directed at any person - so I hope nobody was offended. I just picked some locations at random. And Abuja also happens to be one of my favorite cities in the world.

Don't worry, am not offended

vislabraye:
Oyaks has not made the front page in a while, I guess. Correct me if I'm wrong

Thats because oyaks does not need a dedicated thread oyaks is special guest in most threads here including the oyedepo thread oyaks is very special around here oh we don't joke with that name. i guess you are not regular feature here. Oyedepo comes a distant second (or third) in popularity here, even joagbaje our reigning fraudsters sorry poster of the year will beat oyedepo to second spot

Azibalua:
Ok, the first question is how did you guys start the relationship was it with or without your pastors consent.

na wa oh na pastor dey give consent now pastor don become P.I.M.P be that na the pastor is becoming too powerful oh only God fit help you if the pastor get other plans for the lady

Edit: taking into consideration Azibalua 'area of origin' i'll say Jo is already a P.I.M.P

NLMediator:
Little wonder they come up with the "witty inventions," while the christians that confess it can hardly come up with any creative enterprise other than testimonies of how they confessed their way into a job in First Bank or a supply contract in Abuja. Often of course, conveniently forgetting that in many cases, their uncle or some deacon in church played a disproportionately large role.

aahh that will be my brother joagbaje that got an aso rock contract, forgetting we are fully aware of his aso rock connections

NLMediator:
"We shouldn't miss the purpose of the thread ."

The purpose of this thread, as I understand it, is that your confession "controls" your life. No, they do not. Nothing in the Bible or in the experience of christians, Jews and non-christians suggest that. Maybe, I'm being nit-picky, but I believe that the term "control" is a strong one. An employer controls his employee regarding the employee's work under the employer. Confessions have no such power.

There are many people who hardly spend time on confessions and have wildly successful life outcomes. There are many people that spend time confessing and their life outcomes either do not change or get worse. A good explanation is that they're neglecting the real things that control their life. Often, negative confession is a symptom of a deeper malaise, which then affects the person's overall attitude to life, including spoken words. When somebody hears them, he exclaims: "I knew it; he kept on speaking negatively and he got what he said." But that's not a correct reading of what happened. Such a person lost control of their life or situation and it manifested in negative confessions.

My brother if only the zombies patrolling this site can truly read and understand your posts it takes a man (or woman) with a functioning brain to understand your posts. I tell you these guys are programed to log and process information issued by the pastor only

Snowwy:
@ Zikky, that is your opinion. If you have anything different from what we have discussed above then provide it. Your allegations are unfounded put beside the scripture.

And i will say it one more time, God did not mandate christians to tithe, there is no such word and any pastor that preaches and encourages tithing as a requirement for Christians is preaching his own word. he is a thief

Snowwy:
@ Zikky, that is your opinion. If you have anything different from what we have discussed above then provide it. Your allegations are unfounded put beside the scripture.

You put my 'allegations' beside what 'scripture' ROR Yes it will be unfounded when placed beside the ROR, i agree with you.

Snowwy:
Really, so Mechizedek that took tithes was a what? Has that law not been done away with? Heb. 7?

Are you saying Melchizedek was a Levite Stop deceiving yourself Melchizedek did not collect tithe in accordance to the Mosaic law, it's either you tithe based on Mosaic law or you consider fighting your neighbour. If you are successful, seize his properties and render a tenth as tithe t o your pastor

Snowwy:
Really, so Mechizedek that took tithes was a what? Has that law not been done away with? Heb. 7?

Is it written anywhere that God mandated Melchizedek to collect tithe is it written anywhere that God mandated Abram to render on a periodic basis, a tenth of his earnings to a priest Maybe, you also need to prove to me that Abram worshiped in temples with a priest in attendance  

Snowwy:
Titihing is giving, offerings is giving, helping the needy is giving. All these are part of giving.

If call tithing giving, am not going to argue with that. That's not my concern. But i can happily tell you, that it was a requirement for the Jews only.

Snowwy:
The people were ordered to give by the King based on scripture and they gave cheerfully

The people rendered their tithe as required by the Mosaic law. And it was only to Levites, meaning Oyaks and co will not be eligible, cec will not be eligible Its time you stop reading the ROR, please get a bible

Snowwy:
The people were ordered to give by the King based on scripture and they gave cheerfully, God blessed them.

You mean after the act, the poor became rich, no more widows in Isreal abi

Snowwy:
Keep hating on the word of God and say you are criticising Pastors. You are just fooling yourself.
Peace.

Did God mandate christians to tithe did God instruct christians to render their tithes to Levites Please prove it I don't have anything against the word of God, what am against is the word of the pastor. but i understand, your pastor is your God. No problem with that.

Snowwy:
Part of the new testament way of giving is giving offering? Right? You have no issues with it? No. So where is it stated that Tithing is not part of giving since God said he will bless us too?

The requirement of tithing was for the Jews. Only the Levitical priest can collect tithe.

Snowwy:
You cleverly said that churches where tithes and firstfruits are collected are thieves. So if they collect offerings, they are not thieves?

Any pastor that preaches tithing and encourage his congregation to tithe is a thief

MeganC:
Whether you want to or not believe, we must give our full tithe.

Not we, it just you that must pay your full tithe

Pastor AIO:
Untrue. I would say Oyaks was the most talked about. And neither because they are special in any positive sense.

Agree. Oyaks is the most popular boy around here

dorox:
If only we can somehow pressure NEPA/PHCN to provide the country with constant electric 24/7 and hold our government accountable in areas like security and infrastructural development the impact it will have on the nigerian economy would be worth more than any prayer you can imagine.

True talk. I wonder why cec members even pray when they can talk their way to achieving their objectives. But Jo, why no make this post before the last elections? i m sure i could have talked my way to being the president of Nigeria

inedi:
and if you most receive then you most  give

Do you have scriptures for this i need evidence please.

inedi:
If these were to be my idea, hell would have let loose on me,

You are right, its not your idea, it's your pastor's idea

inedi:
but thank God its Jesus that is teaching us here.
He says when you give, it shall be given unto in good measure, press down, shaken together and running over shall men give to you

Thats all see from the Luke chapter, what you will receive As long as you interpret the scriptures to suit your desire, you will never get to see the true message. You need money, thats the problem. What you take away from the Luke verse is the overflowing returns you will receive when you give. You need to go back and read the Luke chapter all over, the emphasis here was on loving your neighbour, not the profit you make from loving your neighbour Encouraging people to give for return amounts to making them give with an insincere heart. You are not helping them.

Edit:
BTW Jesus did not say give to pastor

inedi:
I don't give for return

Yes you do, even the title of the thread suggests that you are in it for the profit

Joagbaje:
This is the reason you shouldn’t talk poverty, defeat, sickness or death; rather, talk prosperity, victory, success, health and life, and that’s what you’ll have in your life.

Joagbaje:
Your tongue is the tool by which you chart your course in life.

Joagbaje:
Steer “your ship” – your life – in the direction of God’s destiny for you, with your tongue.

If i can 'hammer' with my tongue, why then do i need to pay or sow into the pastor

inedi:
I personally don't give, so i can have return,

Lets assume you are telling the truth, why then do you preach giving for returns? fund raising for the church? Why preach what you don't practice unless you are not telling the truth

brainpulse:
Giving should not be with condition as a man of God at all.
It is ridiculous and a preaching from the kingdom of hell to shift the focus of men from righteousness to material wealth.

Thank you jare

Joagbaje:
That's why Jesus came. Now that he has broken the power of darkness and given us authority, we can resist the evil by our faith now when he strikes.

Thank you Jo, i believe i have seen what i was looking for. So you are saying all i require is faith for me the claim the goodies in your post below. . . . . .

Joagbaje:
Failure, sickness, disease, lack and death cannot have dominion over you; you have the right and the power to vehemently reject them from your life. The good life is yours: increase, progress, success, fruitfulness, productivity a life of glory have become your birthright

. . . . . my question then is how do i reconcile faith with the principle of exchange. Thats why i asked if i need to do more in addition to being seed of Abraham.