₦airaland Forum

ogoamaka99:
When we consider that these MOG command large follower ship both within and outside the country. These large followers claim that their lives had been impacted by these MOG that is why they are following these MOG. But the sons of perdition in this forum said no, that these MOG are criminals, fraud & false prophets. Now who do we believe their reports, whether the report of the followers of these MOG or the report of the sons of belial?

The late Bin Laden had more followers, (with more global spread) and his followers can claim that their lives were impacted by Bin Laden does that make him an MOG?

cold:
As soon as he did that, the Holy Spirit prompted me to lay hands on him to take him to the next level and I did.

cold:
It was in my jet that I actually opened the envelope to see a cheque of One hundred thousand dollars. Then I thought that must be the reason the Holy Spirit spoke. That is a good seed.

According to this chap, even the Holy Spirit recognized good cash

cold:
The only thing breakthrough responds to is great seed. Outside of your ‘seed’ you cannot reap a harvest.

That's. . . good cash

cold:
The reason why faith has not worked for you is because you are too logical for God. God wants you to ‘kill’ your logic and reasoning.

God don't like einstein type brains Faith work only for zombies.

cold:
Here is a word of God for you in verse six, and I quote
“In the morning sow your seed, And in the evening do not withhold your hand; For you do not know which will prosper, Either this or that, Or whether both alike will be good”

In other words, keep giving till you drop

Joagbaje:
Paul was encouraging the corinthians to give just as the maccedonians did.

2 Corinthians 9:6-7
But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully,

Did you consider verse 7?

7Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

The giving is not the issue, it is the motive behind the giving that matters. Paul did not encourage prosperity by way of seed sowing. i think it was the other way round, he advise that we be contented.

1 Timothy 6:6-10 (KJV)
6But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. 8And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. 9But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Hebrews 13:5 (KJV)
5Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

When Paul said we should be hospitable (for some has entertained Angels in the process), can we interpret that to mean we should go about entertaining strangers with the objective that we might one day entertain Angels?

Hebrews 13:2 (KJV)
2Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

If Paul believed the casino gospel, why did he go about collecting contributions from one church for the other? Why did he deny the church the opportunity to sow into his anointing by his decision not to burden the church? How come he was not preaching riches or how to achieve it?

Joagbaje:
When Jesus Said ,  " Give and it shall be giving"  what was he encouraging .

If you read the that chapter of the bible from verse1, you will see that Jesus was not telling anybody to sow as a get rich quick scheme. Jesus encouraged love, he encouraged charitable giving.

Luke 6:34-38 (KJV)
34And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
35But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
37Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
38Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Joagbaje:
But when you sow a seed , there is only one reason, "HARVEST" if not , it's no seed. Farmers don't put corn in the ground for storage.

This is wrong. Our givings should be driven by love. If we practice charitable giving for the potential return, then why should the act be seen as charitable; if we love our brothers and sisters because of the material blessings we will receive, can we still say our actions was truly based on love. Is that love genuine? Do you love God for the blessings? I don't think you understand the message of Christ sir.

Motive is very important, and that is why your casino gospel is seen as a gospel for the greedy. The danger of the casino gospel is that it makes people seek God for the wrong reasons; they seek God for what they can get out of him. They see the Almighty as a vending machine. Reason why people are closer to God in times of crisis and forget bout God in good times.  

You don't do charity for profit. You don't give for personal benefit (selfish interest); that's what charity is bout. Teach your people the right form of giving; giving without thoughts of the returns.

1 Corinthians 13
1Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
4[b]Charity suffereth long, and is kind[/b]; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;. . . .

. . . . 8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. . . . . ,

Demain_man:
MUSIC TIME:


When we walk with the Lord
 In the light of His Word,
What a glory He sheds on our way;
 While we do His good will,
 He abides with us still,
And with all who will trust and obey.

Trust and obey,
For there's no other way
To be happy in Jesus,
 But to trust and obey.Not a shadow can rise,

---- and so on------

Jo, i had some difficulty keeping up with the pace at which you change direction Na so una dey do am for cec please i am unable to reconcile some statement you made here. can you help, so i understand what Chris is saying

for example 

Joagbaje: But lack of giving can rob a man of laying hold on what God has given him.  And living in sin can rob a man of walking in his inheritance and Gods full blessing.

vs.

Joagbaje:
Either we sin or not we are still blessed , righteousness grant us access into inheritance. When we sin ,God does not withold blessing from us as in the old testament.

Joagbaje: The will of God may not always come to pass if we don't do our part

vs.

Joagbaje:
Rather we have the nature of God in us that cause us to do his will

Ovamboland:
Pastor Chris Oyakhilome says:

You Are God’s Word!   -   March 23rd, 2010

God save us from these pipu!!!

This is pastoral innovation, that's what you get from research joints like cec these days The purpose is to stimulate the adrenal glands to pump out adrenaline to a level that will make you reach for your wallet anytime the pastor makes the offering call

Joagbaje:
You try o, you mean you can talk down on the salvation of a man that way . Pls display some reverence for Gods spirit. Conviction to salvation is the work of the holy spirit. A man can't be born again by promo.

Sorry, my apology. correction: If the person decides to accept Christ as a result of participation in the various 'promo' we see on t.v. (like the 'night of bliss' where miracle is advertise), we know what to expect

Joagbaje:
It's the same thing. If paul is telling them the benefit of giving , what was he inspiring them to do? When Jesus Said ,  " Give and it shall be giving"  what was he encouraging .

It's not the same thing it was not expressly stated that they should go ahead and give for profit. Paul did not encourage anybody to give to achieve to increase his wealth. Teachings on givings was about doing charitable act not profit.

Joagbaje:
Then your judgement is faulty.you don't judge prosperity by Materialism .

Materialism ke Did you read me talking about materialism i said i don';t see them walking in the fullness of God's blessing or are you saying the 'fullness of God's blessing' is all about materialism. You know i was applied your definition of prosperity to determine if these people are poor or not if my judgement is faulty, it's because your definition of prosperity is faulty

Joagbaje:
Then you dont understand seed sowing . You sow a seed to have a harvest. If there is a seed then there must be a harvest.Can you explain this scripture.

Galatians 6:6-7
 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap

Is Paul encouraging kalo kalo here?

Oga Jo, this is not Agriculture class Anyways i can tell you you Paul was encouraging acts of charity, not business of give and receive (casino gospel). I see Claus has added the verse you left out

Joagbaje:
What do you understand by prophet reward? If you check it out ,it answers the question .

I am not checking anything out. No time for research, am still at work. am hoping you will tell me

Joagbaje:
The honour is gift ,value and care that parents deserve,

You agree it's not all about money

Joagbaje:
Giving to God shouldn't take away the giving to parents. Giving to God should not take away the giving to a pastor. Giving to God should not take away the giving to the poor. Everything has it's place. One giving doesn't. Supplant the other.

I don't think there's anybody with a contrary view here. It's a complete package, it falls under the commandment to love your neighbour. You have not adhered to the commandment if you only assist poor widow and leave the pastor in need. This is not why i disagree with your position on giving.

Joagbaje:
Now you're talking. Giving is a christian lifestyle . But the impression being created here is that givers are mugus.

It's possible they are especially if they don't have a good understanding of why they should give

Joagbaje:
That's the problem . Are you in their heart to determine the motive . A pastor teaches giving, for the sake of the sheep. Not for the sake of the pastor.

Zikkyy is not in the heart of pastors, so cannot determine their motive but Joagbaje can, cos he is in their heart abi I don't need to be in their heart Jo. I can observe the result of their actions

Joagbaje:
Thats not our problem. If the sheep Is not well fed, they will find somewhere esle where their hunger can be satisfied .

Na wa oh God dey

Joagbaje:
So every church has it's crowd. We should all find our places.

Okay

Joagbaje:
When a minister break such things from them . Doors are open . The grace of God is unlocked . Their efforts can be crowned with success . Prayer doesn't take the place of work.

So one must go through the minister for doors to unlock the grace of God. If i stand in Christ's stead, why do i need to go through the minister?

Joagbaje:
1 Timothy 6:17-19
Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; 18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate; 19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

Eternal life is a quality of life.It is not longevity. It is not a life in heaven , it is a life in the now which we have recieved. And laying hold on it is to partake of it's benefit by having abilities unlocked in you. A life beyond limitations .  A life by revelation and knowledge of truth.

How can eternal life be 'life in the now' is that your definition of eternal i see you have interpreted this quote to align with your casino gospel. i.e. receive the benefit of your actions today What possible 'life beyond limitations' will Warren Buffet or Bill Gate (or any loaded christian) be looking for in this world I have to disagree with you on this one sir, i don't think the 'time to come' does not refer to today or tomorrow. The way i see it, i think the message aligns with James position regarding our works being a demostration of our faith (i know you don't like James ).

Joagbaje:
If he is born again, Of course he is a christian. Being born again is not an end . It's a beginning. He has to grow up. And reign over the flesh , Covetousness is part of the works of the flesh to deal with.

Joagbaje: When we do other things as Christians and we don't give, it's a life of covetousness . It works against other things we are doing . It tends to a struggle.

My understanding of a Christian is one who is Christ-like or aspires to be Christ-like in everything he does. Your post does not give the impression you were talking about the man that became born again yesterday. So, i don't understand why a Christian will believe he is one if he lives 'a life of covetousness'. It can be traced back to the point where the chap decides to accept Christ, what was the motivation? This determines how we live our life as Christians. If the person became born again as a result of participation in the various 'promo' we see on t.v. (like the 'night of bliss' where miracle is advertise), we know what to expect

Joagbaje:
Don't misquote me . The promise of return upon giving ,is it scriptural? Did God say so? Is God dangling carrots. A minister only announce what the word says.

Yes, the bible talked about givers being blessed, but NOBODY preached giving for a return. i.e. Nobody preached that giving to pastor was the key to national wealth. People were not encouraged to give so they can receive their mansion or gold plated chariot, nobody preached that giving to senior pastor like Apostle Paul will yield a 100fold returns while giving to junior pastors will yield just 60fold return; God did not tell anybody to adopt preferential giving for maximum returns; God did not tell anybody to go through a pastor to obtain his/her prosperity; e.t.c

Oga Jo, that's the difference between what's written in the bible and what we observe today.

Joagbaje:
how can you conclude in one vidit to a church?How do you determine a poor person? I have seen a man on TShirt and jeans giving millions. You won't know from looking at him.

To determine a poor person, i used your definition of a prosperous man i.e

Joagbaje: But I have often explained that prosperity is not about finances it is about functioning in the fulness of Gods blessings. . . .

Joagbaje: I can define it as walking in Gods blessing

I just don't see them walking in the fullness of Gods blessings

Joagbaje:
The scriptures speaks for themselves .

Galatians 6:6-7
Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Philippians 4:10-11
But I rejoiced in the Lord greatly, that now at the last your care of me hath flourished again; wherein ye were also careful, but ye lacked opportunity. 11 Not that I speak in respect of want.  . . 17.Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account.

The verse above does not say there are blessings that can only be obtained via giving to pastor

Joagbaje:
Everything has it's place. The point is, that it is not unscriptural to sow to ministers as it is portrayed here.

It's unscriptural to 'give' to pastor in anticipation of profit/dividend That's casino gospel

Joagbaje:
It's not arithmetic. We give by the wisdom of God. That's another ball game. A woman who desires the fruit of the womb. May be led of God to sponsor another persons child in school and by that deed, she gets pregnant.  Another woman may be prayed for by a pastor and she gets pregnant. So it's not mathematics.

If its not arithmetic, then you agree there is no benefit/blessings that's can only be obtained from giving to pastor

Joagbaje:
Ephesians 6:2-3
2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise 3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

How come paul didn't say .  "Pray for long life that you may live long"  and this honour for parents is primarily talking about giving. Sowing seed to their life.

You don come again why monetize 'honour' where did you read Paul say 'honour for parents is primarily talking about giving. Sowing seed to their life'

Joagbaje:
It is not wrong for a minister to teach  about giving.

Depends on how it's taught. It's wrong to teach casino gospel; i.e. give for profit/dividend

Joagbaje:
Giving is our life as christian.

This is what i've been talking about, but you deliberately refused to understand. A pastor don't need to spend hours on the pulpit teaching giving. It's a character expected of a true Christian. The problem is that pastors are in a hurry to 'harvest' the congregation Pastors may have been successful attracting people to their church, but they have not been successful with 'soul winning'

Joagbaje:
But I find it hard to hear a preacher say "come and give me money or sow into my life" I'm not saying it may not happen but I havent seen .

I believe it because you are not in a position to see events like this When the sermon is all about the numerous benefits to be derived from sowing to a prophet, the congregation interprets that as an invitation to 'dash' pastor money.

Joagbaje:
But the ground you sow also differs. A man of God carries and anointing , which can prosper a man. By the pronouncement of his mouth.

What i read you say here is that one can receive his prosperity through another man; the pastor We don't even need God for this, there is a shortcut So a pastor can pronounce prosperity on anybody, just like that I wonder why they have been withholding it. Why don't they just pronounce prosperity on the congregation once and for all  the government will not have to worry bout the issue of unemployment

Joagbaje:
There is preference, giving to an a believer and an  unbeliever is not the same result . Giving to family relation and a christian is not the same result. Also giving to a  brother and giving to a minister is not the same result. And pls don't ask me the different results. Because it is not maths.

Com'om Jo you know i will ask You're the one talking bout preference here

wetu:
The question was just about working in a brewery.

My brother, there is nothing wrong with working in a brewery. It's like asking if Christian can work in a pharmaceutical company knowing the effect of overdose or wrong use of drugs.

Omo_Tier1:
I am a living testimony of God's gospel and I stand as a testimony to people like you.

You are a living e-testimony abi cos we don't know you

Omo_Tier1:
Like we always say in Christ Embassy; WE WILL N E T W O R K the world

In your dreams but now i understand Joagbaje activities here. He's been trying to 'network' NL, hook us up with oyaks

^^^ The 'gods' from cec monetizes everything. Here life is interpreted to mean prosperity

Omo_Tier1:
As for christians who die young, some (not all) are as a result of one not working in the knowledge of the truth which one has received at the time. That is why it is very important to be full of the Holy Ghost always, so that the leading is continuous.

You are again adding conditions to an unconditional event. If at the point of becoming born again, the person is entitled to the 'total package', i see no reason why modern man cannot send Methuselah's record to the archive, i don't see why a born again should be poor, no born again should visit the hospital or go to CEC healing school. in fact, there will be no need for the CEC healing school, unless there is a condition.

Enigma:
^^^ And we have been "misusing" your user name oh! Maybe in your honour we'll have to think of an alternative for "kalo-kalo gospel"!  Was it zikky who started it? Oya, fresh and original idea needed.

Omo_Tier1:
when you become born again by faith in christ jesus, you automatically receives ALL of God's blessings because the condition has be met by Jesus who took your place in his death and became the ultimate scarifice to meet the condition of ALL of God's blessings.

If all born again people are blessed (it's automatic), i guess i will be correct to say a poor man cannot claim to be born again

Omo_Tier1:
Let me ask you this profound question; WHAT DID ADAM HAD TO DO TO RECEIVE GOD'S BLESSINGS BEFORE THE FALL IN THE GARDEN? And do you agree that the christian in spirit is just like Adam before the fall?

I thought Adam's job was to manage the garden What blessings are you talking about

ogajim:
you're "exporting gospel" to Nigerians in diaspora in exchange for their hard earned cash, omase ooo!

This would have been a good thing, if only the FOREX goes through CBN. It would reduce our dependence on crude oil But trust our pastors to bring it in boxes, that's if they do decide to bring it in.

Micuilles:
@ Jo;

Y[b]ou are such a loving, caring & patient man[/b] always trying to reach out to these NL members most of which do not deserve it even if Jesus died for us all,

Na wa oh. See the sweet words this can't be for free Oga Jo, how much you pay this chap to do reputation/image management for you

Micuilles:
I for one am a giver with a passion & I lack nothing. I beleive in the word of God & it produces results in my life.

Do you really understand what it means to lack nothing

JeSoul:
Zikky, Nuke and Enigma, why are you fellas sweating my friends now? 

Abeg me I want my automatic total package of unconditional birthright obedience-less blessing if you don't want your own make you siddon look

unconditional birthright obedience-less blessings that's only accessible after obedience to certain conditions

Enigma:
Meaningless drivel; first what is "total package"? Second what is this "train" his spirit thing? Is the fellow not already "God" as quoted above; does "God" now need to "train" his spirit in order to be blessed by himself, God? Remember that God does not need to obey God in order to be blessed by God! God does not need to obey God but needs to train God --- very "clever" logic or spiritual revelation --- indeed "greater truth"!

Omo_Tier1 is confused.

Omo_Tier1:
When you become born again, you are born into a family - not just any family BUT the family of God- that has in place guidelines on how things should go.

oh! there are guidelines to be followed as a born again

Omo_Tier1:
Hence when I take my 200000 naira and CONTRACT with God for His kingdom work, I am expectant because I know before I gave that money, that God wanted me to let go off it not because He God wants my money but because He God wanted to prove my love for him.

Are you saying it is no longer automatic i have to 'prove' my love for God on a monthly basis (with my tithes) before i can access the blessing if this is not a condition precedent to draw down, i wonder what is

Omo_Tier1:
And I know whoever God proves, He also increases, hence my expectation.

So, you conclude by saying only those that are 'proven' can hammer, big time So what's this talk about obedience not being a criteria for blessings

Omo_Tier1:
Why do people like you find it difficult to grasp the new creation realities?

Simple, cos it's nothing but fraud

Omo_Tier1:
What then does this mean? A man who believes and confesses Christ Jesus as his Lord and Saviour is AUTOMATICALLY granted that Total package of blessings as heir of salvation, as one who belong to the seed of Abraham.

You noted here that a package is made available to the man believes and confesses Christ s his Lord & Savior, then. . . .

Omo_Tier1:
However, to enjoy that total package of blessings, this new creation is got to 'train' his spirit in the light of God's word so as to learn how to walk in the package of blessings that rightly belongs to him.

. . . .we are told there is a condition to be fulfilled before we can 'draw down' or access this package. So in effect the man 'must' comply with certain conditions or terms of agreement before he can access the package. and you believe that's is not obedience

REAL TRUTH:
The congregation learnt about the sale of the church when the RCCG men led by their provincial pastor came during a Sunday service to inspect the properties and assess the church members whom he had negotiated with the RCCG

REAL TRUTH:
He said he did not need to get approval from the leaders of the church because the church belonged to him and he appointed them as leaders.

Joagbaje:
when we give, we lay hold on eternal life.

Damn this na new one the gospel according to Jo

Joagbaje:
Was Elijah oppressing the poor when he asked the widow for her last meal,despite the fact that he had been eating babercued meat which this woman wasn't able to afford. He made her do the scriptural principle.

Giving to a minister doesn't have to be because of lack. It's because of the anointing upon him . That's what cause men to prosper. We can see the principle in the old testament.

You still dey attempt to confuse people with this Elijah story, after all the corrections You forgot that the babercued meat was no longer available prior to visiting the widow.

wetu:
This means that SCRIPTURALLY giving to the rich is like oppressing the poor. Now if Elijah was rich and the widow gave to Elijah, then she will become poor. Please tell us if Elijah was rich.

Thank you jare

Joagbaje:
When we do other things as Christians and we don't give, it's a life of covetousness . It works against other things we are doing . It tends to a struggle.

Can we say the man that don't give is truly a christian? And you are of the view dangly the 'multiple returns carrot' in their face is the best approach to teaching christians how to love

Joagbaje:
Its a lesser truth. We no longer recieve hundred fold in the new testament .when we give, we lay hold on eternal life. T There is no such teaching . Maybe you're just joking.

I am not joking. But you will need to see Pastor Adeboye for more info on this. No be me talk am

Joagbaje:
Read the bible its all there. Many testimonies. Several Christians give many testimonies like that also in several churches.

How many? when compared to the general populations of givers? If such (prosperity related) testomonies abound as you say, how come the poor still outnumber the so called 'prosperous' in most churches (100% in every church i have visited) I asked if there are blessings specific to sowing unto the pastor. I have seen testimony of somebody getting a job due to sowing activities and i have seen testimony of another person getting a job due to simple act of praying

Joagbaje:
Are you saying the word of God is. A lie?

It the words of Pastors we are discussing here please if Pastors quote the Almighty, the there will be no need for us to disagree

Joagbaje:
There are times we need to sow consistently to have a harvest.
Galatians 6:9
9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap if we faint not.

We don't just do something once And say "lord where is the harvest"?.

Nobody said anything about a one-time transaction

Joagbaje:
There are different kinds of givings just like there are different kinds of prayer.

Joagbaje:
Everything has it's place. It's like a man says. "I won't pray to God , but I will read bible only" He will surely get the benefit of studying but he will lose the Benefit of payer.

These different kinds of giving, kindly tell us the different kind of returns associated with them. So we know how to maximise our returns. for exmple; if i want to be President of Nigeria, what type of giving should i undertake, same for buying a property in eko atlatic city (under construction), buying myself a prado e.t.c if you are unable to provide answers to questions like this, then i see no justification for cataegorizing givings according to potential benefits it does not make sense to anybody if the potential benefits only exist in the head of the pastor.

Joagbaje:
To receive a prophet in that context is giving or welfare.

Not giving, it's welfare (apologies for editing your post ). It's was about meeting a need. Remember the desciples were told to go out with nothing. It's not about giving to a rich pastor, or a pastor with private jet. Jesus did not prech giving to rich pastors.

Joagbaje:
It's a law of sowing and reaping, maybe that's what your guy who saaid " if you give a junior pastor you have 20% if you give to G.O .

Nna, i never said he was my guy I think he is more likely to be your guy

Joagbaje:
the point is simple . It's a law of sowing and reaping, maybe that's what your guy who saaid " if you give a junior pastor you have 20% if you give to G.O . You have 100%" I don't know if it's just a joke. But if it really happened I guess it is based on that scripture . Trying to say there is a reward for giving to fellow christian ,there is higher reward for giving to Mr M.O.G.

Oga Jo, this na attempt to dribble me ooh You are trying to avoid my question here. It's possible you did not read it, so i'll re-post. . . .

Zikkyy:
what do you say of the righteous man? Who is a righteous man? Can we say a prophet is not righteous? If he is, then we can say he that receive a prophet not just receive a prophet’s reward, he also receive a righteous man’s reward.

I don't think it's such a difficult question Jo. I just need a direct shot from you, no need to dribble. See this as a penalty kick ehn

Joagbaje:
Why are you against giving to the man of God , when it's clearly in the bible ?

This is not fair you know i am not against giving to pastors i am against pastors preachings on giving, is it that difficult to understand

Joagbaje:
When we give to MOG we are the ones been blessed , not him. We do it for our good. Especially if it's done by faith . If a man gives without faith he may not receive.

I will say when we give out of love for our neighbour (which includes giving to pastor), we are blessed If by faith you mean antipated returns, i still believe it is wrong. We are told to give cos such acts aligns with the commandment to love our neighbour, we are told such acts confers reward on the giver, and it's simply because you will be adhering to the commandment of loving your neighbour. But it's also good you teach people that we are not told to give in anticipation of a reward. That breeds selfishness, for which they is no reward.

jaygiant:
The good things that come from having faith should never be seen as profits or dividends that must proceed from a bargain rather they should be seen as bonuses or dashes. They are not the essence of faith rather they are just by the way happenstances.

Tell them Prosperity gospel lovers like Jo will never agree with you on this

Joagbaje:
That has to do with an individual . Not the church. I give my tithe in appreciation and worship.

How can you say this So if the individual burn in hell for doing the wrong thing, it's his fault abi what is the role of the church then Now you see why i keep saying pastors have failed in their responsibilities. The individual see the tithe as an obligation with double profit returns, cos that what the pastor taught him. Pastors like oyaks preach that tithe is an obligation. CEC people on NL believes tithing, sowing e.t.c is the key to personal and national prosperity, who taught them It's an individual thing abi

Joagbaje:
We’ve been made partakers of the inheritance of the saints in the Kingdom of light. We’re sharers and participators in the blessings and benefits of the Kingdom-life reserved for all God’s children. This happened when you were born again; you were born with an inheritance. You don’t have to try to “obey” the law for God to bless you; you were born blessed (Ephesians 1:3).

Damn This is great news i don't need tithe, seed to pastor, offer 7 e.t.c to receive my blessings

Joagbaje:
What do you mean byKalo kalo gospel?

Example: I give to a church member, I receive 30fold return; I give to junior pastor, I receive 60fold; I give to the main man, I receive 100fold return

Joagbaje:
Sowing of seeds to a pastor is very important. It has it's place . And it doesn't have to be due to lack on his part. His anointing will cause you to prosper. There are several givings in the bible. Theo one to the mimisternis only one of them.

A lot of people are giving to pastor, and how many are prospering? It will be easy for you to say these things if we can truly support with practical evidence. But the truth is that we see results that contradict your statements.

Joagbaje:
Giving to a Minster has it's own blessing. You become a partaker of his grace and reward.

Matthew 10:41
41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward. . ,

Matthew 10:41(KJV)
41He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.

I asked if blessing associated with giving to pastor cannot be achieved any other way. Receiving a prophet (and his message) has nothing to do with giving to the prophet. Your interpretation is not convincing please. BTW, what do you say of the righteous man? Who is a righteous man? Can we say a prophet is not righteous? If he is, then we can say he that receive a prophet not just receive a prophet’s reward, he also receive a righteous man’s reward. I don’t think Christ was referring to two different class of people here.

Joagbaje:
Galatians 6:6-9
Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap, . . 9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

Philippians 4:15-16
15 You Philippians also know that in the early days, when I left the province of Macedonia to spread the Good News, you were the only church to share your money with me. You gave me what I needed, and you received what I gave you.

There is nothing here that suggests that blessings associated with giving to pastor cannot be achieved any other way. Thank you.