Wu Zetian:

My bad, I think I mistook you for the nipeks001 guy. Sowwy *whew!*

The only reason I select any part of your post is because that is the one I choose to address, duh! LoL. I don't bother talking about the ones we both agree on or the ones that are strictly your opinion and are in no way harmful to my cause.

"Patriarchy is a social system in which males are the primary authority figures central to social organization, occupying roles of political leadership, moral authority, and control of property, and where fathers hold authority over women and children. It implies the institutions of male rule and privilege, and entails female subordination".

If you want me to believe you actually aren't ignorant about the issues of feminism, the least you can do is get simple definitions right.
Patriarchy is not only pertinent to the family institution. One of the cries of feminism is to give women the ability to choose. If a woman chooses to make her husband the head, then fine but the problem is a society that mandates that men must be the head.

I doubt I'm going to allow my husband be the head, that's just because I'm more of a team player. I believe no person's decision is more valuable than the other and we both have to work hand in hand to achieve our goals. I believe a woman should become the head of the family if she chooses to and if her husband agrees to it.

I don't mind if an African man/woman agrees to gender roles, the issue here is their kids. Are you teaching your children that they are limited because of their gender or are you encouraging individuality?? A stereotypical Nigerian boy today thinks his worth depends on how much money he has, and a stereotypical Nigerian girl today is concerned about her looks and getting married to a guy that can financially take care of her before the age 30. A divorced woman in Nigeria today is seen as a taboo and a single woman past the age of 30 is viewed as a curse and a plague. Why?? Because in a patriarchal society, the sole purpose of a woman is child bearing and satisfying a man's sexxual needs.
I see threads every day on NL of people complaining about these things, which are all branches of the root problem-patriarchal society.
You might think Nigerians are not complaining but they are.

You can refer to this post for reasons why some women in Nigeria accept your beliefs.
https://www.nairaland.com/1469493/patriarchy-male-privilege/1#18751293

MRM is built on feminism. It exists because of feminism, their whole principle revolves around feminism. All MRAs do is talk about feminism, it's simply logical that we deviate to feminism when we talk about MRM.

Wu Zetian:
LMAO!

Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights for women. (Let's get the meaning out of the way first)
I am a feminist, you are the one claiming my beliefs and ideologies are illogical, you have to tell me why. You don't claim something is illogical when you have no knowledge about what it entails neither do you have any logical points to back up your stance.

To say feminism is not taken seriously is to deny the great likes of Deborah Sampson, Alice Paul, Susan B. Anthoney and likes. Feminism is the reason why your mother can vote. This same feminism is the reason why your sister can be educated. This same feminism is the reason why your gf can work in top positions in her workplace.

Modern feminism have major goals:
1.) Obtain equal pay.

2.) Eradicate sexxual objectification of women.

3.) Social equality: Eradicating ills of society that mandates wives picking the last name of their husband. A woman should have a choice. Freedom of career choice. A woman should be free to choose whatever she wants to do with her life.
Gender roles: In a patriarchal society, it is not expected of the husband or son to be the caregiver because they are given the freedom to make their work a priority, just as a woman’s freedom is to make care-giving their priority. However, if a man focus’s on care giving rather than their work, they are no longer considered a “good man”. The same rule applies to women: if they focus on work before those they are supposed to care for, they are not considered a “good woman”. Feminists are saying being maternal does not make women better care-givers and they should be respected for choosing to put career over having a family and that men are not the only ones that should build a career, men are also care-givers and men should not be seen as vessels that are unable do house chores or take care of their kids. It's also about encouraging individuality in children.
(To be fair, this is not prominent in western cultures though, most fathers are more than glad to take care of their kids and help around the house. They see it as their duty not just the woman's duty.)

4.) Legal System: Though we have this in some countries, not so much in African countries though Since women are the major victims of domestic abuse and r*Ape, there should be institutions/laws in-place to protect them.

Wu Zetian:
LMAO!

Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights for women. (Let's get the meaning out of the way first)
I am a feminist, you are the one claiming my beliefs and ideologies are illogical, you have to tell me why. You don't claim something is illogical when you have no knowledge about what it entails neither do you have any logical points to back up your stance.

To say feminism is not taken seriously is to deny the great likes of Deborah Sampson, Alice Paul, Susan B. Anthoney and likes. Feminism is the reason why your mother can vote. This same feminism is the reason why your sister can be educated. This same feminism is the reason why your gf can work in top positions in her workplace.

ileobatojo:

Hi. I'd like to know what the poor girl child in India can do to earn a right to education equal to that of her brother. Thanks.

nipeks001: Na wa o,u carry this matter for head gan o .@topic,I guess mrm are not hated coz they are not selfish and illogical with their agenda.My msg to all feminist:EARN EQUALITY,DON'T ASK FOR IT.

Wu Zetian:

They are very vocal, they are just relatively new(compared to feminism) and non-existing in countries like Nigeria.

MRM will be pointless in Nigeria because Nigeria has no real implementation laws protecting women. Nigerian women do not enjoy any of the benefits listed except circumcision.

99cent: The MRM in the USA are seen as a hate group. similar to the KKK or racists.
Comparing MRM to feminism is like comparing blacks in South Africa to whites during apartheid. it is very obvious who wields the power and who is subordinate.
Actually, talking about gender rights is a good way to sympathize with racist whites and how they feel about losing power to blacks. because most men who hate feminism must feel exactly the same way.
when you have been on top for so long. it is painful to relinquish that power and allow others to be at the same level as you.
how dare those domestic appendages (in Wole Soyinka's words) called women have any rights or influence.

99cent:

lol MRM is a fringe group in the USA. but it is very much mainstream in Nigeria.
like organic food movement in USA. we don't have a concept of organic food because most foods in Nigeria are already organic.
just like that, most men in Nigeria are very sexist. so talking about MRM doesn't make sense. extremely sexist men are majority in Nigeria, not a minority. what rights do they need?

y-fo:
By the way, I followed the thread you linked me to from start to finish and even made some contributions....don't tell me you didn't notice

nipeks001:
I clearly understands what feminism is all about and just bcoz i said feminist's agenda are illogical does not just suddenly make me a novice @ what feminism is all about and those women and had a succesful career mainly bcoz they were ambitious.
And just to make it clear,i support a feminism to some extent like the right to vote but when you guyz start seeing a male being or a head of the house or bearing is name as been inferior makes me think you would have seen your class rep in your school days as superior to you rather than someone who just have a role to play in the class.

axion: In a place like Nigeria we only really notice when something privileges female interests because the male privilege has thoroughly pervaded every nook and cranny of our society.

Saint Chukz: ^^^ To all the proponents and opponents of MRM & Feminism. I have a question for you all and that's - Let's assume in an idea situation all the priviledges you all are fighting and clamouring for becomes granted, what then will happen? Will the world end? Please i want you all to attempt an answer to my question. Thanks!

Saint Chukz: ^^^ To all the proponents and opponents of MRM & Feminism. I have a question for you all and that's - Let's assume in an idea situation all the priviledges you all are fighting and clamouring for becomes granted, what then will happen? Will the world end? Please i want you all to attempt an answer to my question. Thanks!

Wu Zetian:

What we are asking for as feminists isn't privileges, get your facts right.

Wu Zetian:
LoL, I skipped a lot of posts on that thread.
You should take time out to think about your thought process. Why do you believe what you believe?? What formed your belief system and what damage/good comes out of your ideologies.

If you were going to make them better, what would you change?? While you're @ it, ask your self some real questions.
Do I believe I'm superior to the opposite gender?? What makes me superior??
What really is the difference between the two genders?? Then embark on a research questioning if what you believe makes us difference have something to do with our nature, psychology or societal influence.
Watch out for sexist comments/actions/sayings is in your society.

I'm not trying to convert you to a feminist, I just want you to realize that you're sexist and slightly chauvinistic.

y-fo:
Anyhows, I can easily answer some of the questions you raised. I believe men and women are equal, with males having a biological edge which makes him naturally fit for some roles. In the other thread, cases of war scenarios and other dangerous situations were put forward and women and children's safety would be looked after first...no calls for gender equality there.

If believing that males should be the leaders in a home (having consulted his wife on issues) and that there are some gender specifc roles to be played (women are more emotional e.t.c) all the while supporting feminism in cases where outside the home women are being side-lined amounts to being a sexist and sligthly chauvinistic.....then I guess that is what I am.

Wu Zetian:

You keep on naming the few female privileges that has nothing to do with my questions. The only biological "advantage(note the advantage is in quotes) males have over females is physical strength. I wonder how that makes them better household leaders in today's society??



How are women more emotional?? Why are women more emotional?? You are terribly misinformed and most of your points aren't well thought-out. Is anger, sadness, happiness not emotions?? What research did you base your opinion off on, is this a scientific proof?? What was the basis of measuring, where was the survey carried out, what part of the brain was examined?

Your arguments are pretty generic and they hold no weight. At least you have passed the first stage of progress, you have accepted your problems - you are sexist and chauvinistic. I hope you'll find motivation to fix them.

(It's not about you being swayed easily or not, it's about me valuing my sleep more.)

y-fo:

I can't continue going round in circles

Wu Zetian:

You shall marry me now!

190-the-clown:

I give up

Wu Zetian:

Don't give up.

Isn't polygamy legal in Nigeria?? I can still marry both of you

Bye

axion: In a place like Nigeria we only really notice when something privileges female interests because the male privilege has thoroughly pervaded every nook and cranny of our society.

Wu Zetian:

Don't give up.

Isn't polygamy legal in Nigeria?? I can still marry both of you