DavidKissinger:


On being a 'murderer'. What if they were absolutely necessary? I'm not all-knowing, HE is. But have you ever had a pet? let's say a dog or a cat.. How does it react when you try to clip its nails? Defensive? Violent? Why? Because in its defined knowledge, it thinks you're trying to hurt him. Whereas, you're not. Your intention is for its greater good.

davien:
lol....The putrid nonsense you conglomerated up there only shows how r3tarded you are in thinking....
estimates are the best evidence anyone can give and like i said earlier along with your homeostasis,bladder capacity and other factors.... i can estimate a number....say no less than 300 or an average of 3-5 times and i will still be right....unless you have a bladder the size of an elephant
the process for tracing dna to locations' is called geographic population structure.... id0to! lol...

Image123:

You couldn't hold yourself together and behave, could you? Don't have too much faith in all that stuff you've being reading on the internet, get a real education if you can. You can actually be intelligent, you have potential.
So, you can't verify your future apparently. Perhaps you can conclude you have no real future from your assessment. Estimates are the best you can do to verify howmany times i urinated yesterday? That's not good enough for reality, you see? You said reality has to be verifiable, not estimated. Estimating is probability, same as saying Mo' flew to heaven or no. Many would think it probable i figure.
And this geographic population structure thing, you say it can tell if my grandfather ever traveled to Sudan? How merely can we go, it would be nice to see this demonstrated.i reckon it would greatly improve perspectives on reality. What step can you take to demonstrate this miragelike story you're telling?

Image123:

Yes, the bible answers are very truth.

AgentOfAllah:


Assuming your analogy is appropriate, is it really the "greater good" of the pet or its owner that necessitates the clipping of its claws? You could have used a better analogy, like the sick baby and doctor's syringe, to a more potent effect.

Regardless of whichever version you use though, your analogy still fails on one very important count: It presupposes the existence of the god whose very existence is being scrutinised. For your analogy to be applicable, you first have to show that:

1) like the pet owner, this god actually exists.

2) this god requires you to worship it.

3) this god does not harbour any evil intentions. After all, there's nothing that stops a pet owner from harbouring evil intensions towards their pet.

Surely, asking us to make all three assumptions would be asking for too much?!

davien:
smh.......estimates are based on concurrent data....only a religitard like yourself would try to compare estimates to assertions of a man on a winged animal taking flight to "heaven"....
I really don't have anything to prove to you because whether or not you understand or deny the science it still works... not so much you can say for talking donkeys and psychopathic magical jewish "god" can you?
And no i couldn't help but laugh on your stup!dity.... if you noticed i'm following you.. dimwits like you are funny...so why not follow you and get daily laughs from your stup!dity?

Xcapist:


On what grounds can we ascertain it's truthfulness? Is it objective truth we speak about or subjective.

DavidKissinger:



There you go! our preachers, society, since time imemorial have so emasculated the Lion of Judah that He seemed to be without teeth, without claws...

My point exactly? Your beliefs were initially built on what the society made you or wanted you to believe. And now, you feel you've broken free. You focus on what they never told you.

But it's funny (more hurting than funny though) how 'we' will suddenly take from the spotlight, the ultimate price He paid for our sins- His life.

Oh, I seem to have digressed to a large extent. On being a 'murderer'. What if they were absolutely necessary? I'm not all-knowing, HE is. But have you ever had a pet? let's say a dog or a cat.. How does it react when you try to clip its nails? Defensive? Violent? Why? Because in its defined knowledge, it thinks you're trying to hurt him. Whereas, you're not. Your intention is for its greater good.

And Yes, I've had my fair share of 'nail clipping' too. My experience with HIM is largely based on it. And I know HE exists, and nothing tampers with the faith I have in HIM.

Xcapist, I have just two questions for you, and they go thus:

I remember in one of your entries, you said (I can't remember your exact words, so I'll just twist it) "I guess one doesn't need religion to be moral" something of sort.

My question is.. You were once a Christian. Don't you think these morals imbibed in you owe to the religious ties you hitherto had?

If Yes,

Does it not make sense to you that the ultimate fountain of these morals should be moral Himself?

2. What's your overall take on Miracles?

That'll be all for now.

P.S; I realise this may be incoherent.

BossTtdiamonds:


You could start by comparin' Design and Evolution....
Which seems more logical.. Base your assertions on the complexity of man, natural constants, morals, intelligence.. E.t.c

Xcapist:


Sorry bro, I'm not a diehard evolutionist. Not my domain. Truth be told I haven't dwelt on that topic much.

Tallesty1:
Someone said that you are yoonique guy.

I saw it this morning.

She is right thou.

But she forgot to add trouble maker.

Good morning sir

BossTtdiamonds:


You're not in a position to ask such questions.

BossTtdiamonds:

To answer such question, we'd have to know what you believe in first..

BossTtdiamonds:

What do you believe in..??

Xcapist:


LWKMD!! Tallesty1 you baaa?! Haba, I've been really good fa I even read your thread on how to remain calm under nl e-attacks to improve. Kontinu, diazi god. A very good morning to you too bro!!

Tallesty1:
Someone said that you are yoonique guy.

I saw it this morning.

She is right thou.

But she forgot to add trouble maker.

Good morning sir

FIXED!


I saw that too and dropped a like.

@TheStriked, no carry Rich join our ministry biko, you na president, me I be VP

Tallesty1:
lols..... Don't mind me, just looking for trouble this morning.

Yes you are..... And I believe they don't attack you? Do they??

I see no for reason for that anyway cause you always mind your own business.

I'm following your conversation with David.

There are places I wanted to chirp in but for now......

Make I dey observe yet.

BossTtdiamonds:


You could start by comparin' Design and Evolution....
Which seems more logical.. Base your assertions on the complexity of man, natural constants, morals, intelligence.. E.t.c

AgentOfAllah:


Evolution is design by nature. Perhaps you wish to compare evolution and intelligent, purposive design?

By definition, any naturalistic/materialistic proposition for the origin of species, however flawed, is statistically less improbable than a supernatural alternative. So, your task is to show that this level of complexity is not naturally possible.

Xcapist:
My friend BossTtdiamonds has been sighted. I like this guy, wonderful individual...but he's not a hero

BossTtdiamonds:


You know, you could actually be followin' because dimwits like him as you propose might just be that person that 'lld help you get answers to questions botherin' your person...

Xcapist:


Hahaha, I've also tried to see it that way, but since people and their cultures and accompanying behaviours have been changing since time immemorial, should we expect another testament? A modern testament of sorts, since some of the NT still isn't exactly perfect or well suited for today's modern world?

Is it wrong to ask questions? Does it offend God?

DavidKissinger:


Lol. Hilarious, truly.

But don't you think, man via-à-vis his Maker should be of 'low intelligence'?

MizMyColi:



FIXED!


I saw that too and dropped a like.

@TheStriked, no carry Rich join our ministry biko, you na president, me I be VP

AfricanApple:
are u an atheist? or a christian who is just curious about god?

Xcapist:


Abeg if the post of treasurer is still open I'm interested oo

Okay na, it's an autocratic government. Once Tallesty1 approve, you're good to go.

Tallesty1, Xcapist, where's the thread you're cooking?

Xcapist:


Ohh my god. Haba manmacho?! Do you have draw that card? you have my permission to quote, highlight and embolden anything contradictory about anything I've said in this thread and I'd be more than glad to explain better or even accept my blunder.

You have to understand that Santa is an imaginary character but people still talk about him as though he's a real person, same thing with the tooth fairy and their likes. Yahweh is also a well formed character in your bible but some of us do not believe in him (or his existence)...so what name do you want us to call the character? We point out some things about your Yahweh so that maybe you can see the contradictions in that character and come to the same realisation as hifaif did. Remember, the majority of atheists on NL weren't born atheists.

As for the emboldened, why is it that he vend immediate judgement to the old testament people, causing the ground to open and swallow thousands as a punishment for idolatry, even with the new testament couple that lied about their contribution but he can not swallow one hifaif right now? And you're claiming god has hope? Doesn't he already know all the number that he will carry to his heaven even before the foundations of the earth were laid? To hell with the rest of us vessels of dishonour, created for his wrath right? So don't pull the mercy card, I assure you it's the wrong hand.

joe4christ:


You are so on point, i would be deceitful if i disagree.
All religionists are influenced by fear of ''God's wrath'' and blinded by religious doctrines, deluded and brain-washed by it.
Religion is the greatest scam of all time, sold to man by those whose desire is to control human populace, it's not as if most people dont see the inconsistences in the ''holy books'' just that they are afraid of being roasted forever in hell by a '' supposed merciful God'' for doubting or questioning his supremacy.
I was once on that lane 2yrs back right here on Nairaland, my moniker speaks volume, so you see, until these people decide to liberate themselves from the chain of fear ''Religion'' and get enlightened, there is absolutely nothing you can possibly do.

Cheers!

Ubenedictus:



under what penial code will you judge God. He created all those life, they are all his. What is your headache that he decided to take what is his.

hifaif:



Then, stop complaining about BH and ISIS. Allah owns those babies that ISIS has crushed.

Heartless people. You do not see anything wrong in a God asking soldiers to kill children? You asking me under what penal code can YOUR God be judged for killing INNOCENT babies? I ask you under what penal code can Allah be judged for instructing ISIS to crush babies