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Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Biox: 1:41am On Mar 20, 2010
Why not tell Me I want to hear it from you becos you brought up pastor Chris being heretic. I read in my bible where it says that god gave teachers, pastors and lots more for the perfecting of the saints for the work of the ministry.which pastor Chris is doing. I don't see anything heretic in it. Or do you think other wise
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Enigma(m): 1:46am On Mar 20, 2010
OK then; start by reading my last three replies to Joagbaje (posts 213, 215 & 217) and Joagbaje's related posts and tell me if you can understand why in that particular context Oyakhilome may possibly be at least reasonably accused of being a heretic.
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Biox: 2:18am On Mar 20, 2010
@ enigma I have read throuh all your post and reply and the truth is you sound confused.
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Enigma(m): 2:21am On Mar 20, 2010
Biox:

@ enigma I have read throuh all your post and reply and the truth is you sound confused.

OK then; please enlighten me!
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by InesQor(m): 2:28am On Mar 20, 2010
@Biox:

You may want to start by explaining what you understand by the term "heretic"? smiley
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Biox: 3:45am On Mar 20, 2010
1st pastor Chris is a pastor. Why I said you sound confuse is first I need you to understand that he is called of God. I won't be surprise if some doesn't like what he teachies.becos in the bible it's write that it given unto every man a measure of faith. At every mans level everything is not the same. What you may not understand could be understood by some one else. I read a book by John Masson he said that those that things that seam impossible to you are possible to someone else. What could be A miracle for you could be an everyday life for some one else. Also you don't measure your failure by other people success. I think you are trying to classify a man with your own statics and that's wrong.

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Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Enigma(m): 8:44am On Mar 20, 2010
Biox:

1st pastor Chris is a pastor. Why I said you sound confuse is first I need you to understand that he is called of God. I won't be surprise if some doesn't like what he teachies.becos in the bible it's write that it given unto every man a measure of faith. At every mans level everything is not the same. What you may not understand could be understood by some one else. I read a book by John Masson he said that those that things that seam impossible to you are possible to someone else. What could be A miracle for you could be an everyday life for some one else. Also you don't measure your failure by other people success. I think you are trying to classify a man with your own statics and that's wrong.

My friend I'm afraid this isn't the great enlightenment I expected; I expected much much more with great erudition from you!!!!!!!! Ooooooh, I'm so disappointed because I was soooo looking forward to learning from you!

Seriously:

1. Is "pastor" Chris really a pastor? Who made him a pastor or how did he become a pastor?
2. Is Oyakhilome really "called of God"? Were you there when God called him and did you hear God's voice when He called? Otherwise, how do you know that he is "called of God"?
3. I don't understand what you mean by "statics" ----- but if Oyaks yarns opaks by contradicting the Bible and the teachings of Christ and the apostles, I certainly will "classify" him --- and I know what to "classify" him as!
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Joagbaje(m): 10:02am On Mar 20, 2010
@ Enigma
I cant discuss certain issues with you for now until you recieve the infilling of the holyghost.
1Co 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.


But you should know that only 2 apostles had the indept understanding of the teachings of Christ about the new life. Paul and John. Paul had had encounter with Peter and James on doctrinal issues .
Gal 2:11
But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.12. For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before [them] all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?.15 We [who are] Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,


There is what is called revelation knowledge. If you want to grow as a Christian , start with Paul's Epistle first. And john's gospel . Then we can start to talk. The apostles were not on the same level of revelation.

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Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Enigma(m): 10:12am On Mar 20, 2010
Joagbaje:

@ Enigma
I cant discuss certain issues with you for now until you recieve the infilling of the holyghost.
. . .

But you should know that [size=14pt]only 2 apostles had the indept understanding of the teachings of Christ about the new life[/size]. Paul and John. Paul had had encounter with Peter and James on doctrinal issues . . .

There is what is called revelation knowledge. If you want to grow as a  Christian , start with Paul's Epistle first. And john's gospel . Then we can start to talk.  The apostles were not on the same level of revelation.

Joagbaje

By your last post, you have shown once again that you and your boss Chris Oyakhilome are both heretics! While I don't pity Oyakhilome, I really pity you because you are just a brainwashed mug --- who seems to have a genuine desire to be part of Christianity. I accept that I might be wrong and you might be a deceiver too, for all I know!

Regarding "revelation knowledge", I have told you before (only you don't learn easily/quickly) that "revelation knowledge" is often code for a lying and deceiving fella like Oyaks to spew forth the satanic contents of his mind --- which usually contradicts the Bible, contradicts Christ, contradicts the apostles.

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Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by petres007(m): 10:17am On Mar 20, 2010
Joagbaje:


But you should know that only 2 apostles had the indept understanding of the teachings of Christ about the new life. Paul and John. Paul had had encounter with Peter and James on doctrinal issues . 

[color=#990000]Gal 2:11

shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked

@JoeAgbaje,

[size=14pt]What are you smoking??[/size] 
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Joagbaje(m): 12:11pm On Mar 20, 2010
Enigma:

Joagbaje

Regarding "revelation knowledge", I have told you before (only you don't learn easily/quickly) that "revelation knowledge" is often code for a lying and deceiving fella like Oyaks to spew forth the satanic contents of his mind --- which usually contradicts the Bible, contradicts Christ, contradicts the apostles.

Eph 3:3
How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)


If you don't get the message today, you will understand it in future.

Gal 1:11
But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.21 Afterwards I came into the regions of Syria and Cilicia;


If you can comprehend the message of Paul , then you can begin to understand the message of pastor Chris. Pastor Chris's message is based on the heresy teaching of Paul!

Act 24:14
But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Enigma(m): 1:45pm On Mar 20, 2010
@Joagbaje

I'm going to ignore the issue of "revelation knowledge". (I'm not running away from it, just leaving it till another day: "agbo ti o f'ehin rin lo ni; o lo m'agbara wa ni, ko sa"!)


Let me break down something important for you based on your statement quoted below:

only 2 apostles had the indept understanding of the teachings of Christ about the new life

What you are saying in essence, among other things, is this:

1. Christ Himself made a mistake in selecting Peter and the other apostles (except your 2) to be the foundations of His church --- since they were not good enough.
2. You and Oyakhilome know better than all of those ten apostles ---- maybe by your "revelation knowledge"; and of course, your "revelation knowledge" is superior to the first hand learning that those 10 apostles obtained in all the years they spent with Christ
3. Additionally, the Holy Spirit that Christ breathed into them and sent to them at Pentecost did not really do anything for them; even that is trumped by the "revelation knowledge" of you and opaks Oyaks!
4. Since Peter and the other 9 apostles (except your 2) did not have "indept" (sic) knowledge of the teachings of Christ, we really should ignore the gospels and all the books of the Bible associated with any of those 10! We should discard the gospels of Matthew, Mark, the Epistles of Peter, James, Jude etc.
5. In fact we should not follow the Bible; our manual should be "Rhapsody of Realities" since its author Oyakhilome has "revelation knowledge" that is superior to the learning of the apostle Peter and all the other apostles except your 2.

Do you see why you are a brainwashed mug? You do not realise that a strong brainwashing tool is to prevent the mug from having outside influences, which is why Nigeria's heretic-in-chief only stores his own materials in your bookshops. He knows that if some of his victims come in contact with the truth and the Truth they will walk away from CEC. Well, let's see whether they can prevent all of you from coming to the Internet!

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Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by KunleOshob(m): 2:21pm On Mar 20, 2010
I am really enjoying this thread grin

@enigma
Keep up the good work, these heretics should not be allowed to get away with their satanic "gospel"
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Enigma(m): 3:49pm On Mar 20, 2010
@Kunle

Ma da won l'ohun jare; Oyaks dey yarn opaks like Rasaki wey buy Kawasaki and no gree us hear word. Him boy come dey talk nonsense here say apostle Peter and co no get "indept" knowledge.

Yeye nonsense wey vex me dis morning.

smiley
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by InesQor(m): 6:05pm On Mar 20, 2010
Enigma:

@Joagbaje

I'm going to ignore the issue of "revelation knowledge". (I'm not running away from it, just leaving it till another day: "agbo ti o f'ehin rin lo ni; o lo m'agbara wa ni, ko sa"!)


Let me break down something important for you based on your statement quoted below:

What you are saying in essence, among other things, is this:

1. Christ Himself made a mistake in selecting Peter and the other apostles (except your 2) to be the foundations of His church --- since they were not good enough.
2. You and Oyakhilome know better than all of those ten apostles ---- maybe by your "revelation knowledge"; and of course, your "revelation knowledge" is superior to the first hand learning that those 10 apostles obtained in all the years they spent with Christ
3. Additionally, the Holy Spirit that Christ breathed into them and sent to them at Pentecost did not really do anything for them; even that is trumped by the "revelation knowledge" of you and opaks Oyaks!
4. Since Peter and the other 9 apostles (except your 2) did not have "indept" (sic) knowledge of the teachings of Christ, we really should ignore the gospels and all the books of the Bible associated with any of those 10! We should discard the gospels of Matthew, Mark, the Epistles of Peter, James, Jude etc.
5. In fact we should not follow the Bible; our manual should be "Rhapsody of Realities" since its author Oyakhilome has "revelation knowledge" that is superior to the learning of the apostle Peter and all the other apostles except your 2.

Do you see why you are a brainwashed mug? You do not realise that a strong brainwashing tool is to prevent the mug from having outside influences, which is why Nigeria's heretic-in-chief only stores his own materials in your bookshops. He knows that if some of his victims come in contact with the truth and the Truth they will walk away from CEC. Well, let's see whether they can prevent all of you from coming to the Internet!
GBAM GBAM Jigi jigi grin

The terrible thing about brainwashing is that it is a gradual process. Newcomers to the WOF ministry brainwashing industry will not understand the implication of all the heresy, like what you just explained above. By the time they have known enough about the details, it's too late, they are already brainwashed. THAT its why I keep referring to it as poison, and shake my head in pity.

@KunleOshob: I am starting to understand you better now cheesy. I used to think you are a backsliding Christian, but then (cos of my own background and process as a Christian) I never knew the extent to which people have been deceived!
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by CHARLOE(m): 8:22pm On Mar 20, 2010
@ Petres, enigma, kunle, inesqor and co welldone, wish we had more of ur kind in this naija then we wldn't be where we are. Karl max said 'Religion is d opium of the pple'. It's a drrug, once u're deep in it, u cant see beyond ur nose, can't think out of d box! I kno cos i've been there, used to think it was my duty to defend all pastors, cos i saw them as priests & prophets of old (more of that on a new thread am coming up with). Nigerians (pentecostal xtians in particular) have become very docile & passive cos of d drug they're fed with in churches.
Only a heart seeking d truth will understand u guys. Alot of these guys here have been warned in their churches not to listen to anything contrary to their teachings & pratice wether biblical or not. My advice to anyone reading this is to seek d truth urself, study, and check-up what anybody says (even if it's ur pastor or GO) in ur bible.
Just as an aside, have u ever wondered why with all d big & inflential pastors we have in this country (1 is even one of the 50 most influential pple in d world) they always shy away from confronting d evil leaders we're cursed with (pst Bakare is an exception here), but instead specialise in telling their members 'smooth things'. Afterall, pastors (rev martin luther king, arcbishop Desmond Tutu etc) led d fight 4 change in thier countries. THOUGHT 4 FOOD!
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Joagbaje(m): 8:23pm On Mar 20, 2010
InesQor:

GBAM GBAM Jigi jigi grin

The terrible thing about brainwashing is that it is a gradual process. Newcomers to the WOF ministry brainwashing industry will not understand the implication of all the heresy, like what you just explained above. By the time they have known enough about the details, it's too late, they are already brainwashed. THAT its why I keep referring to it as poison, and shake my head in pity.

@KunleOshob: I am starting to understand you better now cheesy. I used to think you are a backsliding Christian, but then (cos of my own background and process as a Christian) I never knew the extent to which people have been deceived!
Enigma:

@Joagbaje

I'm going to ignore the issue of "revelation knowledge". (I'm not running away from it, just leaving it till another day: "agbo ti o f'ehin rin lo ni; o lo m'agbara wa ni, ko sa"!)


Let me break down something important for you based on your statement quoted below:

What you are saying in essence, among other things, is this:

1. Christ Himself made a mistake in selecting Peter and the other apostles (except your 2) to be the foundations of His church --- since they were not good enough.
2. You and Oyakhilome know better than all of those ten apostles ---- maybe by your "revelation knowledge"; and of course, your "revelation knowledge" is superior to the first hand learning that those 10 apostles obtained in all the years they spent with Christ
3. Additionally, the Holy Spirit that Christ breathed into them and sent to them at Pentecost did not really do anything for them; even that is trumped by the "revelation knowledge" of you and opaks Oyaks!
4. Since Peter and the other 9 apostles (except your 2) did not have "indept" (sic) knowledge of the teachings of Christ, we really should ignore the gospels and all the books of the Bible associated with any of those 10! We should discard the gospels of Matthew, Mark, the Epistles of Peter, James, Jude etc.
5. In fact we should not follow the Bible; our manual should be "Rhapsody of Realities" since its author Oyakhilome has "revelation knowledge" that is superior to the learning of the apostle Peter and all the other apostles except your 2.



1 Cor. 2:14
   But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


Assignment for you, Read the epistles of Paul. and John the beloved. Jesus didnt make a mistake. But It is left for the individual to grow in the word. Knowledge has nothing to do with Gods calling, You choose to know. You will find some contradictions in thier beliefs. You have to study to show yourself approved of God. There are are different levels of light. You guys need to humble yourelves. Light will flood your hearts and mind.
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by InesQor(m): 8:31pm On Mar 20, 2010
Joagbaje:


1 Cor. 2:14
   But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


Assignment for you, Read the epistles of Paul. and John the beloved. Jesus didnt make a mistake. But It is left for the individual to grow in the word. Knowledge has nothing to do with Gods calling, You choose to know. You will find some contradictions in thier beliefs. You have to study to show yourself approved of God. There are are different levels of light. You guys need to humble yourelves. Light will flood your hearts and mind.

@Joagbaje: Bros, THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION between the knowledge of the early apostles, and if you say there are, why not say them? The only contradiction is between your statements above in red and in blue. YOU study it and show yourself approved unto the One who called the apostles.

@Charloe: Thanks, bro. It's often hard to have discussions with these people because they repeat the same things over and over again. It's the power of adequate brainwashing sad
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by petres007(m): 8:45pm On Mar 20, 2010
Oga JoeAgbaje,

Dis your heretic (not to mention silly) statement that only two of the apostles had "indept knowledge about the teachings of Christ about the new life" very much proves that you're a true son of Oyaks! Congrats o! Cos I know firsthand you're all crazy about growing up into his image/likeness!  grin grin grin

The amazing thing is how you guys feel so comfortable taking out the very foundation of Christianity and still claim to be Christians!  grin

I think it was two or three years ago when your pastor said something just as damning on TV. He read from the book of Acts 12:1-2

1 About that time Herod the king laid violent hands upon some who belonged to the church.

2 He killed James the brother of John with the sword;


And then suddenly stopped there and asked his hearers rhetorically; "how could an apostle just die like that"? And then he answered the question himself and said, it was because "he (James) didn't really understand how the Kingdom of God functioned".  shocked shocked shocked

He then went on to read the other verses:

3 and when he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded to arrest Peter also. This was during the days of Unleavened Bread.

4 And when he had seized him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to guard him, intending after the Passover to bring him out to the people.

5 So Peter was kept in prison; but earnest prayer for him was made to God by the church.

6 The very night when Herod was about to bring him out, Peter was sleeping between two soldiers, bound with two chains, and sentries before the door were guarding the prison;

7 and behold, an angel of the Lord appeared, and a light shone in the cell; and he struck Peter on the side and woke him, saying, "Get up quickly." And the chains fell off his hands.

8 And the angel said to him, "Dress yourself and put on your sandals." And he did so. And he said to him, "Wrap your mantle around you and follow me."

9 And he went out and followed him; he did not know that what was done by the angel was real, but thought he was seeing a vision.

10 When they had passed the first and the second guard, they came to the iron gate leading into the city. It opened to them of its own accord, and they went out and passed on through one street; and immediately the angel left him.


After reading about how God miraculously saved Peter from Herod's hands, he then said that after James' execution, the church (now I don't remember exactly how he said this one but he meant that the church) somehow "woke up" and prayed for Peter, which then resulted in Peter's rescue.

I don't want to go into all the details but just want to bring out some points to show the similarity between JoeAgbaje's warped ideas and Oyaks'.

1. Well, you kuku didn't mention Peter in your short list of "special apostles" sha. And its obvious the man had no idea of this heretic teaching of yours about the new superhuman life - he was sound asleep the night before his public execution! He didn't even know that what was happening to him was real till the angel had left him.  grin

2. Pastor Chris said that James died like that even though he was an apostle because he didn't know how the kingdom functioned (but Pastor Chris does  grin). It may interest you to know that all the apostles except John ended up dying like that. Including Paul, who was beheaded, according to early church tradition.

So, if these guys all died like that (like James). I guess, they all didn't really know how the kingdom functioned.  shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked


And here we are, reading their gospel accounts and epistles and believing their testimony about God and Christ.  undecided

DO you mind telling me what you're smoking now??  embarassed
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by InesQor(m): 9:03pm On Mar 20, 2010
@Petres_007: Imagine that!!! How can he say James died by Herod's hands because he didn't understand the function of the Kingdom?  embarassed

Mar 10:38  But Jesus said to them, You do not know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I drink or be baptized with the baptism [of affliction] with which I am baptized?
Mar 10:39  And they replied to Him, We are able. And Jesus told them, The cup that I drink you will drink, and you will be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized,


[size=16pt]Who is right, then? CHRIST who already said James and John would be persecuted like himself, or Chris who says James was persecuted for his ignorance?[/size]

No offence intended to CEC or Living Faith Church, but even when I was still a new Christian roughly 12 years ago and I didn't know much, I used to treat Oyakhilome's messages with very careful consideration, too many things he said never checked with my spirit, it was like trying to make some voodoo out of Christianity. Same goes for Oyedepo (all the mantle and oil and stuff). The couple of times I ever worshipped there (I mean Winners, I never bothered attending a CEC service), my spirit was left in pieces afterwards, I finally had to ensure I never went back.

Interestingly enough, both claim to be a new form of the Pauline experience. They say that just like how Paul knew things beyond the others, so they do too.

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Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Joagbaje(m): 9:07pm On Mar 20, 2010
petres_007:

Oga JoeAgbaje,

Dis your heretic (not to mention silly) statement that only two of the apostles had "indept knowledge about the teachings of Christ about the new life" very much proves that you're a true son of Oyaks! Congrats o! Cos I know firsthand you're all crazy about growing up into his image/likeness!  grin grin grin

The amazing thing is how you guys feel so comfortable taking out the very foundation of Christianity and still claim to be Christians!  grin

I think it was two or three years ago when your pastor said something just as damning on TV. He read from the book of Acts 12:1-2

1 About that time Herod the king laid violent hands upon some who belonged to the church.

2 He killed James the brother of John with the sword;


And then suddenly stopped there and asked his hearers rhetorically; "how could an apostle just die like that"? And then he answered the question himself and said, it was because "he (James) didn't really understand how the Kingdom of God functioned".  shocked shocked shocked

He then went on to read the other verses:

3 and when he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded to arrest Peter also. This was during the days of Unleavened Bread.

4 And when he had seized him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to guard him, intending after the Passover to bring him out to the people.

5 So Peter was kept in prison; but earnest prayer for him was made to God by the church.

6 The very night when Herod was about to bring him out, Peter was sleeping between two soldiers, bound with two chains, and sentries before the door were guarding the prison;

7 and behold, an angel of the Lord appeared, and a light shone in the cell; and he struck Peter on the side and woke him, saying, "Get up quickly." And the chains fell off his hands.

8 And the angel said to him, "Dress yourself and put on your sandals." And he did so. And he said to him, "Wrap your mantle around you and follow me."

9 And he went out and followed him; he did not know that what was done by the angel was real, but thought he was seeing a vision.

10 When they had passed the first and the second guard, they came to the iron gate leading into the city. It opened to them of its own accord, and they went out and passed on through one street; and immediately the angel left him.


After reading about how God miraculously saved Peter from Herod's hands, he then said that after James' execution, the church (now I don't remember exactly how he said this one but he meant that the church) somehow "woke up" and prayed for Peter, which then resulted in Peter's rescue.

I don't want to go into all the details but just want to bring out some points to show the similarity between JoeAgbaje's warped ideas and Oyaks'.

1. Well, you kuku didn't mention Peter in your short list of "special apostles" sha. And its obvious the man had no idea of this heretic teaching of yours about the new superhuman life - he was sound asleep the night before his public execution! He didn't even know that what was happening to him was real till the angel had left him.  grin

2. Pastor Chris said that James died like that even though he was an apostle because he didn't know how the kingdom functioned (but Pastor Chris does  grin). It may interest you to know that all the apostles except John ended up dying like that. Including Paul, who was beheaded, according to early church tradition.

So, if these guys all died like that (like James). I guess, they all didn't really know how the kingdom functioned.  shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked


You guys take pride in miquoting Pastor Chris and twisting his teaching to buttress your CONFUSION point. Pastor Chris didnt blame James for his death. But rather blaming the Church. He was teaching about intercession, The message "PRIESTLY MINISTRY OF BELIVERS"  His Point was that the Church did nothing when James was arrested , and he ended up dead, But when Peter was  arrested , they woke up to intercession , and Peter was delivered. He never blamed james for his death.listen to the tape again.
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by InesQor(m): 9:16pm On Mar 20, 2010
Joagbaje:

You guys take pride in miquoting Pastor Chris and twisting his teaching to buttress your CONFUSION point. Pastor Chris didnt blame James for his death. But rather blaming the Church. He was teaching about intercession, The message "PRIESTLY MINISTRY OF BELIVERS"  His Point was that the Church did nothing when James was arrested , and he ended up dead, But when Peter was  arrested , they woke up to intercession , and Peter was delivered. He never blamed james for his death.listen to the tape again.
What was pastor Chris' evidence for saying that the Church did nothing when James was arrested? Was it revelation assumption knowledge?

And on the other hand, are you saying that the cup promised to James (to serve as a martyr according to God's will) could have been reversed if the church had prayed harder on his behalf? Is God's will malleable to the prayers of someone with revelation knowledge?
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by petres007(m): 9:20pm On Mar 20, 2010
CHARLOE:

 @ Petres, enigma, kunle, inesqor and co welldone, wish we had more of your kind in this naija then we wldn't be where we are.

Thanx.

CHARLOE:

  Only a heart seeking d truth will understand u guys.

True. But most hearts today aren't seeking the truth. They're seeking what'll benefit them in d now. And thats why like the scriptures says, they'll continue to heap for themselves false teachers who'll tell them what their itching ears want to hear.

When I first began to realise the farce being preached and practiced as Christianity today, it was then in all honesty, that I truly got to understand the meaning of the saying, "truth is bitter". Infact I think that's a very serious understatement. Anyway sha. . .  undecided

It was heart breaking to see how different our theology and Christian Unchristian practice was from what the bible presents when studied closely. And what got me thinking while in church at CEC back then was the man worship (of Pastor Chris) going on there in the name of "honouring the man of god".

CHARLOE:

Alot of these guys here have been warned in their churches not to listen to anything contrary to their teachings & pratice wether biblical or not.

Very true. And I'll bet you those fellows are not Christians at all, by biblical standards. Sad, shocking, but true.

CHARLOE:

My advice to anyone reading this is to seek d truth urself, study, and check-up what anybody says (even if it's your pastor or GO) in your bible.

Don't bother. You can be almost sure they won't. Once "Pastor" or "Daddy GO" has spoken, God himself has spoken. SO need to bother yourself with the scriptures. Just live by every word that proceedeth from the mouth of the Father daddy GO.

CHARLOE:

 Just as an aside, have u ever wondered why with all d big & inflential pastors we have in this country (1 is even one of the 50 most influential pple in d world) they always shy away from confronting d evil leaders we're cursed with (pst Bakare is an exception here),

Our daddy GO (and his pastors under him) was busy sharing testimonies of how he now (then) had free access to Aso Rock and used to come back with back-breaking, hunch-back causing Ghana must go. He was busy going there to give counsel to OBJ and his minions, and pray for them. He was busy telling us that OBJ was some sort of messiah for this country. . . While he (OBJ) robbed this country blind for 8 years . . . and even sought to come back for a 3rd term.
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by mabell: 9:35pm On Mar 20, 2010

It was heart breaking to see how different our theology and Christian Unchristian practice was from what the bible presents when studied closely. And what got me thinking while in church at CEC back then was the man worship (of Pastor Chris) going on there in the name of "honouring the man of god".

well l have a simple question for you my dear "enlightened" friend: you sound like you've been in CEC so what necessitated your eventual exist?
l would be glad to extract something useful from your response as regards your reason for throwing in the towel at CEC.
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Joagbaje(m): 9:44pm On Mar 20, 2010
InesQor:

What was pastor Chris' evidence for saying that the Church did nothing when James was arrested? Was it revelation assumption knowledge?

If the Church had prayed for James , it would have been stated.


And on the other hand, are you saying that the cup promised to James (to serve as a martyr according to God's will) could have been reversed if the church had prayed harder on his behalf? Is God's will malleable to the prayers of someone with revelation knowledge.


There is difference between premature death , when a man has not fulfilled his ministry. Jesus died early age, but he didnt die prematurely,. He fulfilled his calling. He glorified God by his death burial and resurrection.
The early Apostles like Paul also were ordained to glorify God by their death but they must fulfilled the assignment first. Paul was beheaded. But he and others laid down their lives .Death didnt take them.


2 Tim. 4:6-7 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. [7] I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:


just like death didnt take Jesus.

John 10:17
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.


And death cant take me either.

John 11:25-26
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: [26] And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?


This is the message every christian need to hear. We have dominion over death! Hey did i say that? . ok just forget that last part for now.
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by petres007(m): 9:49pm On Mar 20, 2010
InesQor:

@Petres_007: Imagine that!!! How can he say James died by Herod's hands because he didn't understand the function of the Kingdom?  embarassed

Mar 10:38  But Jesus said to them, You do not know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I drink or be baptized with the baptism [of affliction] with which I am baptized?
Mar 10:39  And they replied to Him, We are able. And Jesus told them, The cup that I drink you will drink, and you will be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized,


[size=16pt]Who is right, then? CHRIST who already said James and John would be persecuted like himself, or Chris who says James was persecuted for his ignorance?[/size]

No offence intended to CEC or Living Faith Church, but even when I was still a new Christian roughly 12 years ago and I didn't know much, I used to treat Oyakhilome's messages with very careful consideration, too many things he said never checked with my spirit, it was like trying to make some voodoo out of Christianity. Same goes for Oyedepo (all the mantle and oil and stuff). The couple of times I ever worshipped there (I mean Winners, I never bothered attending a CEC service), my spirit was left in pieces afterwards, I finally had to ensure I never went back.

Interestingly enough, both claim to be a new form of the Pauline experience. They say that just like how Paul knew things beyond the others, so they do too.

@Inesqor,

This is the particular statement made by Oyaks years ago that made me lose all hope of him not knowing what he's doing. Before then, I used to look at fine face and just think he looked too sincere to not know what he's doing.

Your post reminds me of my experience at CEC. You're so, so lucky you never attended.  sad

I remember praying and giving God up till the end of 2007 to help me find somewhere else where his unadulterated word was what was held onto and lived by. I shudder now to think that I actually prayed and gave God a deadline. . . but I'm thankful he answered anyway, despite my foolishness to have tried to force him to do something, even though it was a good request.

Ah! I remember how it felt like being alone out there, all by myself. I was tempted to give up on Christianity (by going along with the flow like everybody else), because I felt there was no way I could survive by myself without fellowshipping with others. But I also knew that what obtained everywhere was falsehood, as long as the bible held true.

I also attended plenty of services at winners (my best friend was a member and used to drag me there sometimes). To me, it was essentially the same - a marked departure from the Gospel of Jesus Christ, as presented in the scriptures. Only the winners version looked more like child's play, compared to Oyaks'. The guy was (and still is) far more smooth. Looks more like the real thing, but even farther from the truth.

You're lucky you didn't have to endure sitting through CEC services for years not knowing where to turn to, like I did.  undecided
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Joagbaje(m): 9:52pm On Mar 20, 2010
@Mabel

mabell:

well l have a simple question for you my dear "enlightened" friend: you sound like you've been in CEC so what necessitated your eventual exist?
l would be glad to extract something useful from your response as regards your reason for throwing in the towel at CEC.

They lie a lot on this forum. We have undercover false brethren everywhere that will say I was there" You should not have bothered to ask .Paul suffered from Many of them.

1 John 2:19
   They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Joagbaje(m): 10:01pm On Mar 20, 2010
petres_007:

@Inesqor,

This is the particular statement made by Oyaks years ago that made me lose all hope of him not knowing what he's doing. Before then, I used to look at fine face and just think he looked too sincere to not know what he's doing.

Your post reminds me of my experience at CEC. You're so, so lucky you never attended. sad

I remember praying and giving God up till the end of 2007 to help me find somewhere else where his unadulterated word was what was held onto and lived by. I shudder now to think that I actually prayed and gave God a deadline. . . but I'm thankful he answered anyway, despite my foolishness to have tried to force him to do something, even though it was a good request.

Ah! I remember how it felt like being alone out there, all by myself. I was tempted to give up on Christianity (by going along with the flow like everybody else), because I felt there was no way I could survive by myself without fellowshipping with others. But I also knew that what obtained everywhere was falsehood, as long as the bible held true.

I also attended plenty of services at winners (my best friend was a member and used to drag me there sometimes). To me, it was essentially the same - a marked departure from the Gospel of Jesus Christ, as presented in the scriptures. Only the winners version looked more like child's play, compared to Oyaks'. The guy was (and still is) far more smooth. Looks more like the real thing, but even farther from the truth.


Your liver never strong reach for meat , CEC is bad , WINNERS is bad. Pele oo. So how are you enjoying your milk in the milky galaxy? Which Vhurch be dat sef?
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by mabell: 10:08pm On Mar 20, 2010
Joagbaje:

Your liver never strong reach for meat , CEC is bad , WINNERS is bad. Pele oo. So how are you enjoying your milk in the milky galaxy? Which Vhurch be dat sef?

milky Assemblies Missions Inc. hahahahahaha grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Joagbaje(m): 10:08pm On Mar 20, 2010
Cerelac Mission Inc!!!
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Nobody: 10:10pm On Mar 20, 2010
So called xtians ur arguments here are needless.Which church is d most righteous? None. God said our righteous is filthy as rag.Isnt it men that control our churches? Its only God that can be perfect
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by mabell: 10:14pm On Mar 20, 2010

They lie a lot on this forum. We have undercover false brethren everywhere that will say I was there" You should not have bothered to ask .Paul suffered from Many of them.
thank you jare at least l have somebody like minded.


1 John 2:19
   They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

ooooooooh !!! that was just the very scripture jo, simple (gbam) cool wink

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