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Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by nedu666: 12:26am On Mar 14, 2010
VOTE PASTOR CHRIS OYAKILOME OF CHRIS & ANITA EMBASSY FOR LOOTER OF THE DECADE
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Nobody: 12:43am On Mar 14, 2010
9jaborns religion is a thing of the mind, So no matter where we are or where we find ourselves, We are the ones to know and tell if we are for Christ or not.

I've been to different churches, and I know about these things. but dont be fooled churches are not comfort zones . if you are in any church and you have never been moved to at least commune with the our Almighty in the spirit then check it.
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by optimisty(m): 12:55am On Mar 14, 2010
When we Xtians discuss church issues, we think we are trying to show our observations, sometimes w/out pondering on how the GOSPEL "Good News" got to our doorsteps: People died, a lot of money were required to continue from where they stopped. Imagine a country that one can not to preach. Is it not through partnership with the advancement of technology(media and prints) that you can reach them in thousands and millions at a go?.

If you read and ponder over what the early Christians passed through to bring the gospel of Jesus Christ to us you will not be waiting for a pastor to tell you what you should do with your money to pass it (The Gospel) across to others.

Let's stop complaining for everything, even in intercessory prayers.

The Church of Christ is doing so much to depopulate hell.

Your money in evangelism could probably be the SUBSTANCE needed to get the gospel to somebody in far country through the television ministry etc.

Let's be wise by doing the Lord's bidding.

Shalom!
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by ibileye(f): 1:21am On Mar 14, 2010
I fear oooooooooooo, with the way some people twisted the scripture to suit there hidden agenda. Joagbaje, softly softly ooooo, your interpretation of the Bible get as he be ooo. I never read or heard that Jesus demand money from people for His duration of stay on earth. Even though, the bible confirmed to bring tithes into the house of God, the way some churches are demanding money was not in the Bible.

Whichever way, we are not in the position to judge anyone.
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by joeychick: 1:32am On Mar 14, 2010
my opinion, if your faith does not carry a pastor or church forget it, nobody and i repeat no one is forced to go to church,repent,be a partner, give offering or pay tithe, a pastor will do his part to preach, leave them for god to judge, the truth is the gospel, seed ,first fruit,partnership n tithe will go on.
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Nobody: 1:36am On Mar 14, 2010
RELIGION AGAIN

AM A WHITE GARMENT CHURCH MEMBER NOT SUPPORTING ANY ONE

AM NOT HERE TO SUPPORT ANYONE.

1. dont jurgde anybody.
2. Go to church to pray, pay your tithe and give offering if u can afford (BUT TITHE IS IMPORTANT) forget about what he pastor is using d money 4.
3. Forget about what people say about pastor. (pastor will face his own in heaven)
4. you can start your own church if you feel like, there is a reward for everything (heaven remember)
5. Go to the church that you like

for naija now Pastor job has now be  ( so get a pastor and start ur own church)

See this below postal along yaba
U CAN IMAGINE, DAT MEANS U ITS NOT UNTIL U CALLED BY GOD, U CAN BE A PASTOR, JUST KNW HW 2 SHOUT,PRAY,HAVE LIKE 5 SUITS, U ARE A PASTOR ALREADY
And u must hve d swagger to make ladies scream when u say, "shout halleluyah somebody" or "ur husband to be is out there cruising a bentley, has a multimillion dollars estate, may u meet him 2day".

Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by baccady2(f): 2:48am On Mar 14, 2010
judge not so that you may not be judged. thats all i have to say on this mater
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by chrome: 2:55am On Mar 14, 2010
tithes, tithes, tithes
are we expanding the ten commandments
give if u have but dont make it sound like one of the ten i know, educate me if am wrong
preach love not tithe.
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Cmiller(m): 3:29am On Mar 14, 2010
Go n open ur own church,n lets c hw u wl pastor it.
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Gunnaz007: 4:04am On Mar 14, 2010
@OP coming to post this gibberish makes you high as your name implies 'ganja' ahn?
May God forgive your ignorance and grant you mercy.

For those of you debating Joagbaje's sound knowledge of the Word of God -
I have this q for you, if you have satisfied Romans 10:9-10 and are indeed Christians and have a denomination where you worship;

Does your church collect tithes and is tithing in the Word?
Does your church collect offerings and is offertory in the Word?

If NO, then Carlos Slim/Bill Gates should be the General Overseer of such a church

If YES, then you don't have any case against CEC!

Every church have their modus operandi with respect to receipt of offerings and no one church (and their members) is an Umpire over the other as to how they should be recieving offerings - The Catholic Church (I was once a member), Deeper life, RCCG, Winners, mfm, assemblies of God, aladura, celetial, house on the rock, presbyterian, anglican, baptist, etc; they ALL receive tithes and offerings.

So, Pull the cargo out of your eyes first, before you seek to pull the lump out of another's!!!

The OP is a journalist indeed! Waoh! he has found out what millions of Christians in CEC worldwide have not yet discovered and he has published it! What a shame!!

I am a member of Christ Embassy and offerings are not recieved at gun point/compulsion!!
The more you guys gnash your teeth about CEC and her General Overseer, the more God lifts them/him up cool
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Joagbaje(m): 6:57am On Mar 14, 2010
InesQor:

@Joagbaje: Hi. I apologize on viaro's behalf, but he really has valid points!

I am not offended, I just dont spend time with the kind of people the bible says I shouldnt. Viaro behaves like them, Ignorant and proud, If you prove what I believe wrong by scriptures, i learn from it. Viaro is unteachable, I wonder if he or she is born again, Because the prove of your knowing Christ is walking in love. If its hate you exhibits, it just shows what spirit is onthe inside. Do you score any point by insult? Someone that cant define faith, does not understand , divinity, does not even know the difference between  revelations of Paul and james, yet be spewing abuses in the name of Jesus? writing like a female.
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by legendprac(m): 7:39am On Mar 14, 2010
Am not gonna use bible passages here,but OP,I think u should simply leave a church, if u don't like the way they operate. From ur post, d church hasn't done any 'unbiblical' tin.
As for giving, it's natural dat wen u give, u receive. If u feel they give too much,pocket ur money and leave the church.
We don't have qualms giving to our girlfriends n boyfriends or just using our money on some 'frivolous' tins, but wen it comes to giving in church, we apply our 'no6'.
A man said, 'when we're in a supermarket, $20 looks so small, but when we go to church,it becomes a big amount of money'
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Joagbaje(m): 7:41am On Mar 14, 2010
@InesQor

InesQor:

You are yet to show us how that word means monetary substance rather than material value. Maybe the word "financial" is to be blamed, but I hope you know financial is not necessary monetary? So, asking which money Jesus spent is a moot question.

I strongly believe that Jesus never had to use money to get value because goods and services were directly rendered to him by those who received him as Lord. When he needed a colt, he sent a message that THE LORD needs the young animal.

He ate free lunch with the publicans who had money to throw around.

Jesus was not poor but he wasnt a MONEYBAG either, he wore rich clothes (that the soldiers gambled for at Calvary) but he probably didnt buy it, the same women who bought perfumes and ointments would sensibly get clothes first.

The money with Judas was chicken change, small sums of money to be given to the poor. If it was so much money, Judas would rather flee with it than sell his conscience for the high priest's peanuts when he betrayed Jesus.

Jesus was not poor, but they didnt have cash lying around either, neither did they have gold or silver to sell for cash, otherwise Jesus would not ask Peter to fish for a coin, as Tudor reminded us, when they were compelled to pay tax. Unlike today when ministries rake in cash and they pay no tax!

As for what I said on luxury, please read the OP again to evaluate the red carpet treatment and fairly ask yourself if that is luxury or not.


I have answered this before, Judas had the bag , the bag of money, Primarily people give money, because money is medium of exchange. those who dont have money may give other things such as gold silver and jewelries.
Jesus spent money.

John 4:8
   (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)
 

Jesus gives  to the poor
John 13:29
   For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.


and ofcourse you will agree with me that the primary thing to give the poor is money.

John 12:5
   Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?


It was a custom those days to convert things to money to give. That was why judas would recommend that. becsause Jesus spend money , Money is a universal medium of exchange.

Matthew 19:21
   Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.


So people give money primarily, I cant deny the fact that so petty handy things may be given to Jesus, but people give money as offering primarily. In churches today people give cash and kind. people drop wrist watches, car etc. so all these our beating arround ARE unnesesary, my major point of emphasis is that you run the ministry by what we give. Dont criticise a church because people give there. Jesus recieved offerings too. why didnt he reject them. He even comended a widow that gave her last.
When people give in church , they give for their own benefit, they dont lose by giving, thats the only reason Jesus would commend the widdow.

Mark 12:41-44
   And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much. [42] And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. [43] And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury: [44] For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by viaro: 7:49am On Mar 14, 2010
Joagbaje:

I am not offended, I just dont spend time with the kind of people the bible says I shouldnt. Viaro behaves like them, Ignorant and proud, If you prove what I believe wrong by scriptures, i learn from it. Viaro is unteachable, I wonder if he or she is born again, Because the prove of your knowing Christ is walking in love. If its hate you exhibits, it just shows what spirit is onthe inside. Do you score any point by insult? Someone that cant define faith, does not understand , divinity, does not even know the difference between revelations of Paul and james, yet be spewing abuses in the name of Jesus? writing like a female.

Thanks for your own version of insults. What kind of spirit do you have on the inside of you since you could not resist spewing your own insults? cheesy

If I were the only person trying to point out how so far gone you are in twisting the Scriptures, you would have made a point. But no, you are never teachable but have always made every effort to continue twisting God's Word to suit your adventures, even when it is obvious to all that you're doing that very thing.

I do not hate you, but I strongly oppose your penchant to deceive the reader with your conceited antics on the forum. It is for that reason that I make my points and then ask you a few questions directly - which you don't try to answer but just evade them by appealing to the excuse of 'insult' and then show how you 'love' others by spewing your own insult in return. If you don't find anything wrong or too hard in my questions, please answer them and save your excuses. You're not obliged to answer them, afterall nothing is new in the fact that you're well-practised in the art of Scripture-twisting.
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by dlox01(m): 7:56am On Mar 14, 2010
@ those against the topic,
the guy has stated his view and just because it dosnt correspond with your views(coz youre a CEC worshiper)dosnt mean he is wrong. he stated it in a calm and respective manner but you have all gone at him with such venoms and quoting verses to justify your pastors greed for material things,na wa o,is this what the church has brought you lot up to be??its sad you can call him all sorts of names because he is seeing what you are not, you are all limited in your views and spit violently coz you lack the capacity of views.people have diffrent ways of worshiping God and these days they basically quote verses that would benefit them(human/the flesh.thirst for material things)they would never mentioned the place jesus had to walk long distances to achieve his goals so in modern times he can tell you retards to donate for his nike airforce one trainers but instead would tell you about the canoe so youll donate for a yatch, 'retards' lipsrsealed
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by viaro: 8:12am On Mar 14, 2010
Joagbaje:

Dont criticise a church because people give there. Jesus recieved offerings too.

Jesus did not receive offerings from anybody. The only way anyone could read that into Scripture is to tie unrelated verses and magically arrive at that conclusion.

why didnt he reject them.

That is because He didn't collect any offerings from anyone. His principles in ministry were:

      (a)   'freely ye have received, freely give'  - Matthew 10:8

      (b)   'Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses'  - Matthew 10:9

The reason He admonished them on these principles is so that the Gospel would not be commercialised as many people are doing today with the false belief that the Gospel cannot reach people without money.

The Lord Jesus did not ask any of His disciples to go about receiving money from anyone in order to promote His ministry; rather, He factually said that wherever they went, they should "in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give", specifically adding that they should NOT go from house to house (Luke 10:7). That expression {"Go not from house to house"} is used idiomatically to mean that those called to the ministry were not to focus on soliticing money or gain in one way or another from anyone. That is the reason why we can be pretty sure that Jesus did not solicit for anyone's money, nor did He receive anyone's offerings to promote His ministry.

It is remarkable that even when Judas had the money bag, Jesus did not take from that bag to pay His taxes. Rather, He sent Peter to go fishing and found enough money for both His and Peter's tax/tribute (Matt. 17:27).

He even comended a widow that gave her last.

Yes, but He did not take anything from that treasury for His ministry.

When people give in church , they give for their own benefit, they dont lose by giving, thats the only reason Jesus would commend the widdow.

How many people who give in Nigerian churches today are benefitting from their own giving?
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by segzicres(m): 8:39am On Mar 14, 2010
i won't allow the xtianity thingy blind me 4rm any wrong thing done i the church. im a christian n d ppl defendin should stop b'cs dey'r makin matters worse. GOD WILL NOT FORCE ANYONE TO GIVE,but u should so dat he'll be glad to giv u more.k.
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by optimisty(m): 8:47am On Mar 14, 2010
Joagbaje never twisted anything I see. When you see or hear the truth you know it from your inside even if the person didn't get EVERYTHING perfect.

The fact is just that because of the way people reasons, carnality, background and religiosity, they fail to give way for improvement even in different areas of their lives. They will argue on everything.

It baffles me that if you go to sex, romance, boy and girlfriend issues you see this same people in another way of discussion entirely. And how they prefer to spend on "ashawo", nightclubs, and other frivolities to helping to arrest a need even in their brother's life. We should think of the value of giving and have a rethink.

Always giving without condemning it with complains and unnecessary and receive the blessings of a giver. It is fundamental.

And lastly, beware of how you discuss men of God and the church of Christ cos you never knew when you condemned yourself instead of condemning them. This is very important. Be matured.

Thanks
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by hugooh42(m): 9:02am On Mar 14, 2010
@ viaro you are just beating about the bush and trying to cover your ignorace of the bible. how about the time of the apostles when they sold their belongings and brought the money to the church.when people like ANANIAS AND SAPPHIRA who represent the poster of this thread tried pulling a fast one.
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by hugooh42(m): 9:07am On Mar 14, 2010
@ viaro you are just beating about the bush and trying to cover your ignorance of the bible. How about the time of the Apostles when they sold their belongings and brought the money to the church.When people like ANANIAS AND SAPPHIRA who represent the poster of this thread tried pulling a fast one.
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Nobody: 9:15am On Mar 14, 2010
Interesting discussions.
Some of you are twisting the scriptures to suit you.

Thank God going to a particular church ain't by force.
Paying any money ain't by force either.
If a church ain't suitable, take a walk.

God will definitely judge all those using His name to swindle others.
Pastors exploit our ignorance and desperation for miracles.
What you think your pastor can do, you can do ten folds. Just walk in the right path.
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by viaro: 9:38am On Mar 14, 2010
hugooh42:

@ viaro you are just beating about the bush and trying to cover your ignorace of the bible.

What in my posts shows you your own 'ignorance'? It makes me laugh when people just jump to conclusions midway without having read what went before.

When I read something that I find questionable, I outline them and discuss rather than just paste a complaint without showing anything. In your case, you showed nothing in my post but just jumped to conclusions.

how about the time of the apostles when they sold their belongings and brought the money to the church.when people like ANANIAS AND SAPPHIRA who represent the poster of this thread tried pulling a fast one.

As regarding the case of Ananias and Saphirra in Acts 5, did anyone solicit money from them? Did Peter or any of the apostles mandate them to give anything? The apostle himself said plainly: "While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal?" Does that sound like anyone made selective solicitations for the property belonging to Ananias and Saphirra? Go back to chapter 4 and see what was happening, there you will not find any mandate from anyone about whatever they gave.

All these "special envelope" collections instituted in churches is why the Church is in the mess that we find in many places today. Imagine! It seems people have devised ways of clever taxations in God's House and only used religious names to cover up what's going on -

           Tithe :  
           Worship Offering :  
           Thanksgiving Offering :  
           Free Will Offering :  
           Missions Support :  
           First Fruit :  
           G.O. Partners Support :
           Special Occasion offering :
           Special Project offering (e.g., Rapsody of reality offering) :
           Special Visitation offering (so-and-so is coming to town) :
           Seed-sowing offering :
           Faith offering :
           Building Project/Improvement offering :
           etc.-etc. offering (part 1)
           etc.-etc. offering (part 2)
           Normal Church offering (this is always at the bottom) :

And all the nonsense goes on by any number of excuses. As long as you can shout 'halleluyah-amen', all the boxes will be ticked and the House of God becomes more like a business enterprise.

I'm not against giving, and in other threads I have argued to encourage giving (whether as tithes or any other offering) but it should must NOT be made mandatory in any form. When church leaders behave irresponsibly on issues related to giving, we should not sit dumb and encourage such activities by twisting Scripture to justify them.

Just imagine someone repeating the same thing about Jesus going about to receive money from people in order to promote His ministry - and others who have never read their Bibles are shouting 'halleluyah-amen' to that. When asked to show where such fallacy appears in Scripture, they say it was an 'insult' and their crowd will chorus 'amen' again. Just about anything can be put on the Name of Jesus to collect money, and gullible folks will shout 'praise-thy-Lord' all the more. Enough of the rubbish.
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by gidson12(m): 9:40am On Mar 14, 2010
Personally i dont give a damn hw pastors collect money, my own contribution is, how has the church helped the poor, needy, orphans and widows amongst them who also strive 2 play their role. I mean apart from preaching the gospel. Their are even some churches dat d poor can not go cos of d high demands placed on d member. Some pastors n churches even make remarks dat indirectly intimidate d poor, i know dat somewhere in d bible, it said about taking care of d poor, orphanes and widows. But its a pity dat such love is really lacking among churches. Though i'm not a fan of TB joshua, but i see him really filling d need of these
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by mystikal(m): 10:18am On Mar 14, 2010
If giving to a Church angers one so much, then don't. It has never been compulsory (Or is It?), But I am willing to guess some of the hideous things people spend their money on.

My line of Work happens to bring me in contact with some of CEC activities, and believe me, the width of some of the Evangelism they do (don't know how effective) would only require big time finances
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by optimisty(m): 10:27am On Mar 14, 2010
Upon all the works, they still say all manner of things against him, whom they can not even stand to account for his inspiration. If you do good they will talk, if you do bad they will still also talk.
You see them on every news stand every morning feeding their feelings.

The churches are really trying on helping the poor and needy. That's what the OP should look into and see the reason for partnership.

I know of different churches with different arms of partnership to reach the needy for different reasons. Only partnership can achieve all this, not our complaints, just as in the days of our Lord Jesus Christ on the earth.
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by cvibe: 10:50am On Mar 14, 2010
Can someone outline how churches have helped the poor and needy in the Nigerian society?
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Nobody: 10:57am On Mar 14, 2010
@ post deserve None spycratic award rather than ya all jumping on him. Dude did u notice the number of slot's in the church too, Halaluja to victims of Abino chris and pancake Anita,

Nonses facks, I have much more than what the poster have just said to tell ya all,
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Nescoemmy(m): 11:08am On Mar 14, 2010
@joeagbaje its either you are a false pastor or you are confused,sorry u see ur life.
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by cvibe: 11:09am On Mar 14, 2010
When i was young lad, the churches used to preach salvation, born again, Jesus is coming, world is coming to an end. etc

As i grew older, they started preaching prosperity. i.e. Tell your neighbour you will prosper, miracles etc.

Nowadays they preach Visa, travel, you will win visa lottery, pass exam, get promotion, secure the job, somebody will give you favour tomorrow morning, etc etc. offering this, offering that. Salvation is no longer there.
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by isaiahlegend(m): 11:12am On Mar 14, 2010
@ InesQuo--> You are a good discussant. I applaud your maturity.

@ ALL --> I personally hold the opinion that giving ANYTHING to the church should be out of your genuine LOVE for God NOT because a pastor says you should give.I implore us to give having that in mind and if not,you can keep your money to yourself besides we all have our freewill. You are alive today not because you gave an offering or did not give, but because God loves you and the least you can do is love him back in any way that you can, and it is difficult to genuinely love without giving,pls correct me if am wrong.
If you don't like the way it is conducted in a denomination,leave and find somewhere else to worship your God.
Thank You.
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by optimisty(m): 11:43am On Mar 14, 2010
Salvation is the principal thing, every other thing will follow. But I think no pastor will not preach salvation; not forgetting the benefits of it.

After salvation let us get baptized in the Holy Spirit to teach and expand the word of God in our hearts. Let's minimize pushing everything to the pastors' end.

It's 11:00hrs, most of us are @home today (Sunday) posting on forum, but will still complain of how we were duped in churches.

Eh wo! God please have mercy on us and help us in your infinite mercy, in Jesus' name. Amen.
Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by MsTom(f): 11:57am On Mar 14, 2010
We need to read our bible more often so as not to be deceived. Tithe is a command. Offering is what you purpose in your heart and should not be what a pastor or any man convinces you to pay. Christians should have their tithes and offerings ready from home so as to avoid being confused.
The bible can not and should not be replaced with Rhapsody of reality.

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