What the deji of akure did was symbol. You want to know the truth. Go and ask your father. If I am correct they are trying to tell you, if the king does not spare his wife, the yorubas would not spare you people.

The Yorubas are ready to fight a civil war, if you do not write the wrong. They are preparing people heart for a civil war if Jonathan do not correct the wrong.

I am telling you the truth knowing the Yoruba culture. They are telling you, we are ready for war. That is the symbol of what happen. Go and find from your father.

sjeezy8:


Also why was Zik trying to be the premier in the West? Were the Yoruba people lacking credible leadership that an Igbo man would try to be the leader of the Western region? Did a Northerner try to be a leader in any region other than his own? Did a Yoruba man try to be the leader of the Eastern region.

You guys should stop this moronic argument about carpet-crossing. What southern unity are you talking about? when was the south united? The question is, what was chasing Zik in the East that he was not just interested in it?

He is wondering why Zik would want to contest elections outside Igboland and specifically in western Nigeria, but he would deny carpet crossing with every fiber of his being! Shocked What a character! So, what are we arguing then? Huh Huh
Wasn't there a time an Hausa man was the Mayor of Enugu?

SEFAGO:

^ You are such a fool. Consider the fact that Zik was contesting during an era in Nigeria when people still strongly identified with their ethnic group as opposed to any other group. You are now comparing it to an hausa mayor which is a prolly a different timeline.

What time was this? was this not recent? Ziks case was just when Nigerian identity was at its infancy. Why are you not even making sensible comparisons.

FL Gators:

I have been greatly insulted on this thread.

Thank God that my troublesome dys are ova

SEFAGO:

She means that people on this thread have insulted her, and that if not that she has repented from being troublesome, she would have started fighting lol. FL Gator used to look for people's trouble and fight randomly before. She passed the baton to me.

Onlytruth:

I hope you did not assume that your moronic brother was getting away with his idiotic rants. I merely ignored him just like I promised I would each time he exhibits his typical duplicity.

He is wondering why Zik would want to contest elections outside Igboland and specifically in western Nigeria, but he would deny carpet crossing with every fiber of his being! What a character! So, what are we arguing then?
Wasn't there a time an Hausa man was the Mayor of Enugu?

Isn't this the whole point of my grouse with Awolowos evil seeds which created mindsets like that of Katsumoto?
So, it is a crime to contest elections outside of ones region. And Sefago was wanting me to prove the Yoruba only vote Yoruba candidates. I don't know what you people are smoking!

Had it being that a Nigerian can contest and win elections in all parts of Nigeria, would we be in the mess we are today?
So what are you people complaining about when Igbos want to secede from Nigeria?

When I came to this forum newly, my argument was that peoples of different values and understanding should not form a nation together. When I say that, you call for my head! What do you people want in Nigeria? Oh I know! You want to have Nigeria on your own warped terms.
No chance! It's either we are ONE country or we divide. Simple.

tkb417:

i seriously struggle to get Becomrichs points with those maps

i dont see anythn in the maps or am i retarded?

what are u showing in the maps?

Musiwa,:

Here is my point ikorodu is just a local government in Lagos state. And is nearly as populated as two state in Nigeria. Imo state and gombe. but you pay the lagos state not ikorudu less than Imo state . And you want it to continue. Do any moral or upright person do that. It is a matter of injustice.

It must be correct before the election, The Yorubas would not vote the PDP in 2011, that why the Yorubas are preparing for a civil war to correct it with a war.  What deji Akure did is they are trying to tell you if the king does not spare the wife the one he love. No man would be spare. They are only preparing the people for a civil war. You are about to see a civil war.

You can still stop a civil war now. It is not too late.

Musiwa,:

Here is my point ikorodu is just a local government in Lagos state. And is nearly as populated as two state in Nigeria. Imo state and gombe. but you pay the lagos state not ikorudu less than Imo state . And you want it to continue. Do any moral or upright person do that. It is a matter of injustice.

It must be correct before the election, The Yorubas would not vote the PDP in 2011, that why the Yorubas are preparing for a civil war to correct it with a war. What deji Akure did is they are trying to tell you if the king does not spare the wife the one he love. No man would be spare. They are only preparing the people for a civil war. You are about to see a civil war.

You can still stop a civil war now. It is not too late.

Katsumoto:

As usual, you argue with your hands and not your brains. Is democracy not about numbers? Why did Americans not vote for a black president 200 years ago? Could it be because their country was in its infancy and blacks were still considered primitive? How many Yankees have won elections in the confederate states? Has a scottish man won elections in england? Has an English man won elections in scotland? Do you see where I am going with these? Those cpuntries, the UK and US, have had democracies and their country for several centuries but people still contest primarily in their regions. There may be a few candidates who have contested outside their regions in the US and the UK but I am sure it will be a very small number.

[size=15pt]So back to my questions, ode. Why should Zik want to be the leader of the Western region? Why not the Northern region that had less qualified candidates than the Western region. Nigeria was not yet a nation and to expect the kind or political maturity which is absent in almost all republics is not only naive but also disingenuous. Yoruba people had had different leadership and organised societies for several centuries and you expect that they would accept leadership from a man from a region that did not have the sort of organised leadership that they were used to. This is also considering that there were several credible leaders in the west at the time. The fact is that Zik miscalculated; he assumed that because Yoruba people were very liberal and accommodating, that they would allow him be their leader.[/size]

Onlytruth:


When I came to this forum newly, my argument was that peoples of different values and understanding should not form a nation together. When I say that, you call for my head! What do you people want in Nigeria? Oh I know! You want to have Nigeria on your own warped terms.
No chance! It's either we are ONE country or we divide. Simple.

SEFAGO:

She means that people on this thread have insulted her, and that if not that she has repented from being troublesome, she would have started fighting lol. FL Gator used to look for people's trouble and fight randomly before. She passed the baton to me.

tkb417:

u think i dont know Alagolo?

hehehe, shes my friend but i'll advise she let u handle the 'battles' while she looks from afar

i doubt FL understands all these political gobbledygook

tkb417:

i seriously struggle to get Becomrichs points with those maps

i dont see anythn in the maps or am i retarded?

what are u showing in the maps?

Katsumoto:

As usual, you argue with your hands and not your brains. Is democracy not about numbers? Why did Americans not vote for a black president 200 years ago? Could it be because their country was in its infancy and blacks were still considered primitive? How many Yankees have won elections in the confederate states? Has a scottish man won elections in england? Has an English man won elections in scotland? Do you see where I am going with these? Those cpuntries, the UK and US, have had democracies and their country for several centuries but people still contest primarily in their regions. There may be a few candidates who have contested outside their regions in the US and the UK but I am sure it will be a very small number.

So back to my questions, ode. Why should Zik want to be the leader of the Western region? Why not the Northern region that had less qualified candidates than the Western region. Nigeria was not yet a nation and to expect the kind or political maturity which is absent in almost all republics is not only naive but also disingenuous. Yoruba people had had different leadership and organised societies for several centuries and you expect that they would accept leadership from a man from a region that did not have the sort of organised leadership that they were used to. This is also considering that there were several credible leaders in the west at the time. The fact is that Zik miscalculated; he assumed that because Yoruba people were very liberal and accommodating, that they would allow him be their leader.

Please save your idiotic argument for lalaland; in the real world, people vote their own. You can ignore me all you want but I will not let you pass your conjectural crap as fact on these forums. I will defeat you each time because I use facts to debate while you use your ninny.

Dede1:




Are you sure about this present day feel-happy and make-for-media-house concoction? I think exploratory research would have uncovered a well balanced, not made for all eyes, historic appendages about African-Americans and USA presidency.

Democracy also guarantees that a citizen can register to vote and voted for where the citizen domiciled. In this case, Azikiwe was living in western region and had every privilege in the books to vote and contest electoral position in western region of Nigeria. In USA, the major factor that will determine if candidate contests an election is place of domicile. During the era in question, an Igbo person contested and won electoral seat to represent Benin city.    

Wow!!! I could not believe my ears about these tidings generated by Katsumoto. If you have proffered that Nigeria had been and will remain fractured during voting, why are we deceiving ourselves about one-Nigeria? I guess it is hypocrisy.   

soyad:

I pity IGBO people , why is that you guys alway think upside down . For any one to say that Awolowo did not do anything for Nigeria is pure madness .Do you know why Igboland is notorious for armed robery , kidnapping and crimes generally , it is because no Igbo leader was intelligent enough to do what Awolowo did for his people . Until you people change ,negativity will remain in your land ,it is an advice

Dede1:




Are you sure about this present day feel-happy and make-for-media-house concoction? I think exploratory research would have uncovered a well balanced, not made for all eyes, historic appendages about African-Americans and USA presidency.

Democracy also guarantees that a citizen can register to vote and voted for where the citizen domiciled. In this case, Azikiwe was living in western region and had every privilege in the books to vote and contest electoral position in western region of Nigeria. In USA, the major factor that will determine if candidate contests an election is place of domicile. During the era in question, an Igbo person contested and won electoral seat to represent Benin city.

Wow!!! I could not believe my ears about these tidings generated by Katsumoto. If you have proffered that Nigeria had been and will remain fractured during voting, why are we deceiving ourselves about one-Nigeria? I guess it is hypocrisy.   

Onlytruth:

Bros Dede1, you better believe what you read from that two faced character. I don't know what he knows about the USA, but he fails to see that President Obama was born in Hawaii but contested for US Senate and presidency from Illinois; Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is from Texas, but represented New York in Senate. I can go on.

The formative era of the Nigerian nation namely the 50s was a time the US was emerging a truly egalitarian society, and Zik being a product of the US education system wanted the best for Nigeria. He wanted a Nigeria where Nigerians can contest elections in areas of domicile. In the US, it takes one year to establish domicile. If there is any Nigerian that truly was ahead of his peers (at least in the ideals of forming a federal system of government) it was Zik. None other.

I hope you see why I keep saying that Awolowo destroyed southern Nigerian unity for ever. With the likes of Katsumoto who wants to eat their cakes and have it, forming a nation between Yoruba and Igbo is almost an impossibility. Which is why we have an arrested development.