There's no point arguing about Nigerians in UK vs Nigerians in America.

Point is, the criminal behavior of our youths should not just be curbed, but should also be put into extinction.

I've lived here for a decade plus, never heard of a Nigerian in a gang, talkless of Nigerians grouping together to terrorize another ethnic group. This foolishness has to stop. . . 419, I can take. Scam marriage, i can take. But Nigerians joining gangs to become like AA gang members, that kills me.

I was happy to hear about Nigeria being the most educated in US (even though the statistic may have confounding), this news of Nigerians and crime wave holds more impact. . . . something that needs urgent focus.

We should be coming up with solutions, effective solutions, not arguing about America vs UK. I will NOT have "gansta" attached to my nationality.

Prospective Parents who know they do not have the energy and time to take care of their children, you have two options:

1) Don't have any. Parenthood is not for everyone, it's not mandatory.

2) Leave them in Nigeria to trusting guardians.

BlackBaron:

You are absolutely right Sir. There seems to be a pervasive culture for a lot of black folks pinning the lack of job opportunities to the melanin in their skin. Worst is when it comes from those born in Britain. The UK government gives equal opportunities to all her citizens at all levels with incentives to match. The problem is their attitudes to education and a failure to adapt to competition. International students are made to cough up triple, quadruple or more to have the same level of education as their British counterpart. Yet, the latter under-utilises this opportunities.
I also think there's a dearth of good role models for inner city youths other than the obligatory gang members, drug dealers etc with their flashy lifestyles. Also a tendency to make money like their favourite celebrities, rappers et al without putting in a reciprocal amount of hard honest work is another problem.

Totally true.

Gbawe:

Totally true.

It's true, but it's the same attitude elsewhere. My International students are made to cough up almost 5times the regular tuition fees. Out-of-state students are made to cough up triple that amount.
It's has nothing to do with fearing competition, it has a lot to do with economy. International students= revenues.

What kind of comparison is this? Nigerians are interspersed within 50 massive states in the US whilst the whole of England is not as big as Texas. You'll often get crimes reported about Nigerians in London most the time cos that's where they are concentrated.

Ileke-IdI:
There's no point arguing about Nigerians in UK vs Nigerians in America.

Point is, the criminal behavior of our youths should not just be curbed, but should also be put into extinction.

I've lived here for a decade plus, never heard of a Nigerian in a gang, talkless of Nigerians grouping together to terrorize another ethnic group. This foolishness has to stop. . . 419, I can take. Scam marriage, i can take. But Nigerians joining gangs to become like AA gang members, that kills me.

I was happy to hear about Nigeria being the most educated in US (even though the statistic may have confounding), this news of Nigerians and crime wave holds more impact. . . . something that needs urgent focus.

We should be coming up with solutions, effective solutions, not arguing about America vs UK. I will NOT have "gansta" attached to my nationality.

Prospective Parents who know they do not have the energy and time to take care of their children, you have two options:

1) Don't have any. Parenthood is not for everyone, it's not mandatory.

2) Leave them in Nigeria to trusting guardians.

This is certainly very good advise that I personally believe in passionately. I think the challenges of parenting today are certainly greater than at anytime in the past. You are totally spot on suggesting that parents should not mortgage there children's development entirely at the alter of career success. Committed parents should find a balance that ensures the needs of children are not neglected.

No one has answered the question.. Just a bunch of essays, and comparisons..

Where are the black role models in the UK??

I sure don't see any on TV, apart from Frank Bruno, and David Lammy (Uncle Tom).

Where are the black faces on BBC, and ITV prime-time news?

Where are the successful black millionaires (not foreigners hiding their wealth in the UK)??

Why were former gang members the only group of black people interviewed during the last London riots??

Where are the British born black professor emeritus (not foreign born Nigerians, Ghanaians, Kenyans etc.)?

Where are they??

The country is institutionally racist, period..

DARCUS HOWE PROVIDED ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS IN THESE TWO VIDEOS:

1)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biJgILxGK0o


2)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al4heGfjwIs

Interesting thread, I must say. I must appreciate the level of contribution on this thread so far. For the first time, we have seen no tribal banters.

I would like to digress a little. I believe the phenomenon of single mothers and the corresponding welfare package is the understandably one of the problems in UK. Both countries, UK and US suffer from the problem and evidently many societal ills stem from this issue. Sometimes, I think the absence of government welfarism for single mothers in Nigeria is a blessing in disguise. I have seen the damage single mother welfarism is doing to South Africa, particularly the black population. SA, may apparently, be on verge of witnessing a sharp rise in crime levels; only a few more years.
I just hope that when the Nigerian government becomes 'responsible' enough to start social welfare, the issue of single mother welfarism should be totally excluded. I am scared of what this phenomenon is turning modern societies into. Thanks.

FakeBrixtonyute,

Aren't you just one bored modafcuker? LOL excuse my language, fake non-nigerian. Fake Igbo Fake Yoruba Fake Hausa, which one, any of those?

^^^Are you chatting about me?? What has my nationality got to do with you? I'm a free citizen of the world, have you got a problem with that?

I'm a free born black youth.

I'm a free black man, born in the belly of the beast called London. But I choose to be a free citizen of the world. I have no nationality, but since every black man is from Africa, my allegiance is only to the land of the melanated people.

Smile for me, Ileke.

Gbawe:


My brother, OP does not really have a legitimate question and I am surprised you don't see this. The sum total of what he is saying is that black people affiliated with Nigeria join gangs en-masse because the UK provides them with less opportunities than is the case with America. This is very wrong, and an insult against the UK. For one thing OP's views are uninformed and unrealistically simplistic. He makes partisan and highly subjective comparisons that arrogates problems unto the UK the nation does not have while speaking of America in ways that indicates he is being economical with the truth.

Unlike OP, I cannot speak conclusively about a Nation I don't know well(the USA) but I would think the more Nigerians settle in the USA and raise their kids there, the more we will see some kids of Nigerian origin becoming involved in gang and criminal activities in US States - if that is not happening already perhaps with OP oblivious to it because he is smitten by America to the point nationalistic fervour sees him downplaying the USA's problems. OP fails to move beyond emotion to note how real statistics show that, for the folks in the most important population strata, i.e average folks, the UK is not second class to the USA as far as meeting the aspirations of its people. Ahead of most nations in Europe, and indeed the world, A driven Nigerian able to work can still arrive in the UK today and gain the relevant training to become a well-paid midwife, Nurse, medical support staff, IT specialist, Accountant et al in a reasonable time frame. In the picture of Paradise OP paints about America, where , even if quick to disparage the UK, do we accomodate what is wrttten below about the recent predicament of black folks that shows how, if we really get into it, average [/b]black folks are probably better off in the UK than in the USA?


http://www.kooriweb.org/foley/news/2006/september/age4sep06.html




Making a direct correlation between gang membership and lack of opportunities for [b]any black person paints an incomplete picture and I would expect black folks in the UK to set OP right in this regard. In Nigeria the correlation can be made, without fear of contradiction, to crime and lack of opportunities for Nigerians.

In the UK, the gang thing is almost cultural 'sucking in' many young folks who feel obligated to join as early as age 10!!! There are social issues excercerbating the problem like broken homes and a Street/bling culture gone retrograde with how gang leaders and "top Shotters" are role models to impressionable young black kids who have no interest in becoming like their Architect Uncle or local black MP.

The young black kid growing up on a tough estate, with father absent, may have no choice but to join a gang to gain the protection a father may have supplied. These are issues that have been creeping up on the UK for a while. Previous Governments have pandered to the problem instead of confronting it uncompromisingly. that is what got the UK to where it is today. I remember a phase when young offenders were sent on expensive holidays and assigned their own career mentors to 'guide' their progress. We all know many young girls had no fear of getting pregnant because they know the UK welfare system will be obliging.

All these interlinked issues, too many to broach here, have combined over the years to make gang membership , and subsequent under-achievement, a legitimate choice for some within a sub-culture black folks are especially suceptible to. I cannot believe, statistically and realistically, that the UK provides less opportunities for black folks than America because I don't think America spreads wealth as evenly or as responsibly as the UK does as per core existential ideology.

It still holds true that if you follow the right path and become a valued member of society, then there is a place for you. England is still one of the wealthiest and most welfarist Nations in the world. Especially reknowned for looking after its people - black or white. What lack of opportunities are we talking about when , as a real example, the hospitals I have had my kids in , to include one in leafy Surrey, paraded an impressionable number of black health professionals of Nigerian/African origin?

The summation of what I am pointing out answers your question i.e My brother, it is so because young black folks , and indeed even Asians, born and bred in the UK are increasingly, as the world changes, gaining a local and notably different orientation and outlook to their parents who totally understood the concept of hardwork, uprightness and aspiring to professional excellence. I don't think the system has become more unfair. I think issues have become more about some black kids born here, falling into the distractive sub-culture permeating tough UK Cities, that then predisposes them to achieve less than the generation before them.

There is always a different perspective and everything is relative. When you compare opportunities in the UK with other European countries, Black people in the UK have it good but when you compare it with opportunities in the US, the picture is not so rosy. It may be true that a lot of black folk have white-collar jobs in the UK but you need to dig deeper to see an underlying issue.

Typically, most ‘successful’ black people in the UK are in the arts & entertainment, IT, medical, and accounting industries. In the industries where old boy networks reign supreme such as Law, surveying, tenured professorships, media, advertising, etc, you will find only a handful of Black folks. Even in the management consultancy industry, you will find many Caucasians with history and literature degrees from Oxford being selected ahead of more qualified Black folks.

For the black folks who have white collar jobs, they generally think that the UK is a good place until they hit the proverbial glass ceiling, then their careers goes into a rut and they are stuck in the same role for decades with no promotion. When they move (career-wise), it’s always horizontal and never vertical. Yes there are opportunities in the UK but it’s only for a few.

Black folks have been going to school, in large numbers, in the UK since the 40s but look at the boards of the FTSE 100 and there has only ever been one black CEO (Thiam, who was appointed in 2009). Currently, in the US, you have Thompson (McDonalds), Frazier (Merck), Chenault (Amex), Burns (female, Xerox), Ferguson (TIAA-CREF), O’Neal (Delphi), Otis (Darden). There are others such as Ward, Parson (Citigroup), ONeal (Merrill Lynch), Raines, etc.

One may argue that Black folks in the UK are not positioning themselves properly in terms of not knowing when to do post graduate courses and what courses to pursue. And also that not many are going to school. But what about those who have selected the right courses and done their post graduate programs at the right time and are still being overlooked.

Katsumoto:

There is always a different perspective and everything is relative. When you compare opportunities in the UK with other European countries, Black people in the UK have it good but when you compare it with opportunities in the US, the picture is not so rosy. It may be true that a lot of black folk have white-collar jobs in the UK but you need to dig deeper to see an underlying issue.

Typically, most ‘successful’ black people in the UK are in the arts & entertainment, IT, medical, and accounting industries. In the industries where old boy networks reign supreme such as Law, surveying, tenured professorships, media, advertising, etc, you will find only a handful of Black folks. Even in the management consultancy industry, you will find many Caucasians with history and literature degrees from Oxford being selected ahead of more qualified Black folks.

For the black folks who have white collar jobs, they generally think that the UK is a good place until they hit the proverbial glass ceiling, then there careers goes into a rut and they are stuck in the same role for decades with no promotion. When they move (career-wise), it’s always horizontal and never vertical. Yes there are opportunities in the UK but it’s only for a few.

Black folks have been going to school, in large numbers, in the UK since the 40s but look at the boards of the FTSE 100 and there has only ever been one black CEO (Thiam, who was appointed in 2009). Currently, in the US, you have Thompson (McDonalds), Frazier (Merck), Chenault (Amex), Burns (female, Xerox), Ferguson (TIAA-CREF), O’Neal (Delphi), Otis (Darden). There are others such as Ward, Parson (Citigroup), ONeal (Merrill Lynch), Raines, etc.

One may argue that Black folks in the UK are not positioning themselves properly in terms of not knowing when to do post graduate courses and what courses to pursue. And also that not many are going to school. But what about those who have selected the right courses and done their post graduate programs at the right time and are still being overlooked.

You're a genius! You understand the system better, than most of the essay writers on this thread. I'm not going to get involved, over to you, genius.

If you have ever work in the city, and see no black faces at your work place; you would understand what it's to be black in the belly of the beast. Your job is probably just half an hour from your house, but once you step into your office; it seems like you're in a different country. You're raised in the same country with these people, yet you can't even relate to their sense of humour, isn't that funny? So much for integration.

You're monitored closely, because they think you're inferior; based on racial prejudice.

An error may cost you your job..

I have to fill in my ethnicity on every form, despite thinking I'm in my country.

I'm speaking in parables now. I was dumb in the past but now I'm wiser now. I know I'm African despite where I was born, and Africa was born inside of me. Nairaland is my playground, and Nigerians are funny.

There are many reasons for the gang culture in the UK but number one is the absence of fathers in the home.

Other culprits are

1. Society, which makes being a single mother fashionable
2. Society, which makes it difficult for parents to discipline their kids
3. Women who have kids just because they know the state will provide for them
4. Deadbeat males who aren't real men
5. Do-gooders who go putting their nose in every one's business
6. The liberals (labour) who made it difficult for teachers to do their jobs

Solutions
1. If you reduce welfare, people will have fewer kids
2. Don't make juvenile centers cozy for those kids. They don't do anytime and see going to these centers as earning stripes (street cred)
3. Give power back to teachers and parents
4. You can make these kids serve in the military, away from the front line, but still close enough to other men who can motivate and discipline them

For the Nigerian parents in the UK, they must be prepared to go to jail if necessary. They should also put more emphasis on their kids and not the silly parties they have every single weekend. It is absolutely ludicrous for a parent to go from work to a party and back to work without going home to check on his/her kids. Especially when you live in the worst parts of London.

Brixtonyute: If you have ever work in the city, and see no black faces at your work place; you would understand what it's to be black in the belly of the beast. Your job is probably just half an hour from your house, but once you step into your office; it seems like you're in a different country. You're raised in the same country with these people, yet you can't even relate to their sense of humour, isn't that funny? So much for integration.

You're monitored closely, because they think you're inferior; based on racial prejudice.

An error may cost you job..

I have to fill my ethnicity on every form, despite thinking I'm in my country.

I'm speaking in parables now. I was dumb in the past but now I'm wiser now. I know I'm African despite where I was born, and Africa was born inside of me. Nairaland is my playground, and Nigerians are funny.

Are you still whining?

What's racial prejudice got to do with the criminal wave observed in Nigerian youths?

Katsumoto: There are many reasons for the gang culture in the UK but number one is the absence of fathers in the home.

Other culprits are

1. Society, which makes being a single mother fashionable
2. Society, which makes it difficult for parents to discipline their kids
[size=18pt]3. Women who have kids just because they know the state will provide for them
[/size]
4. Deadbeat males who aren't real men
5. Do-gooders who go putting their nose in every one's business
6. The liberals (labour) who made it difficult for teachers to do their jobs

Solutions
1. If you reduce welfare, people will have fewer kids
2. Don't make juvenile centers cozy for those kids. They don't do anytime and see going to these centers as earning stripes (street cred)
3. Give power back to teachers and parents
4. You can make these kids serve in the military, away from the front line, but still close enough to other men who can motivate and discipline them

For the Nigerian parents in the UK, they must be prepared to go to jail if necessary. They should also put more emphasis on their kids and not the silly parties they have every single weekend. It is absolutely ludicrous for a parent to go from work to a party and back to work without going home to check on his/her kids. Especially when you live in the worst parts of London.

Biggest culprit of them all.

GREAT ADVICE. Lazy ppl should not be having children.

Brixtonyute: I'm a free black man, born in the belly of the beast called London. But I choose to be a free citizen of the world. I have no nationality, but since every black man is from Africa, my allegiance is only to the land of the melanated people.

Smile for me, Ileke.

Ha ha "The Belly of the Beast". I like it. I also like the refreshing stand you have taken, Brixtonyute, to distance yourself from all things tribal. Passport control in the world's airports don't give a phuck WHERE in Nigeria that green passport holder claims to originate, as long as the traveler is ready to spread those cheeks for a cavity search. Don't nobody give a rats asz about the IMAGINARY distinctions concocted by Nigerians to create the illusion of superiority over the "others" who ALSO carry that same green passport. They's all the same, in the eyes of the world.

When I read the tribal ranting here, I imagine a bunch of muffugus with bones run through their noses, dressed in grass skirts, and dancing around a cooking pot containing human remains, while ululating at each other about who they think is more cultured and urbane. That chit really is so funny to observe

Jakumo:

Ha ha "The Belly of the Beast". I like it. I also like the refreshing stand you have taken, Brixtonyute, to distance yourself from all things tribal. Passport control in the world's airports don't give a phuck WHERE in Nigeria that green passport holder claims to originate, as long as the traveler is ready to spread those cheeks for a cavity search. Don't nobody give a rats asz about the IMAGINARY distinctions concocted by Nigerians to create the illusion of superiority over the "others" who ALSO carry that same green passport. They's all the same, in the eyes of the world.

When I read the tribal ranting here, I imagine a bunch of muffugus with bones run through their noses, dressed in grass skirts, and dancing around a cooking pot containing human remains, while ululating at each other about who they think is more cultured and urbane. That chit really is so funny to observe

Do shut up.

The same Britonxyute is the one who creates tribal threads on this board. Before you play papa, know your pikin.

Ileke-IdI:


Are you still whining?

What's racial prejudice got to do with the criminal wave observed in Nigerian youths?

Did you watch the videos I posted?

When there is inequality, it breeds class problems.. And when there is a class problem, that breeds inferior people. Parents can be chastised for the roles they play, but when there are no positive role models; kids tend to emulate the negative stereotypes. In an environment where drug dealers, and older gang members are the role models; with single parent households everywhere - who do you think the kids would emulate? Life is about survival of the fittest, and kids tend to emulate people who look like them.

When the most successful people who look like them are footballers, grime artists, drug dealers, and gang members - who do you think they would emulate??

Nigerian 419ers are the new emerging role models in the inner cities of London, don't be surprised when you start seeing a lot of these kids getting locked up for frauds in the future. It's a vicious cycle.

My delectable morsel Ileke Idi is not a tribalist that I know of, unless I missed a bunch of her posts somewhere up in here. Ha ha ha.

Seriously, though, I get a serious woody just imagining Ileke Idi in a grass skirt. Its all good ha ha.

Jakumo:

Ha ha "The Belly of the Beast". I like it. I also like the refreshing stand you have taken, Brixtonyute, to distance yourself from all things tribal. Passport control in the world's airports don't give a phuck WHERE in Nigeria that green passport holder claims to originate, as long as the traveler is ready to spread those cheeks for a cavity search. Don't nobody give a rats asz about the IMAGINARY distinctions concocted by Nigerians to create the illusion of superiority over the "others" who ALSO carry that same green passport. They's all the same, in the eyes of the world.

When I read the tribal ranting here, I imagine a bunch of muffugus with bones run through their noses, dressed in grass skirts, and dancing around a cooking pot containing human remains, while ululating at each other about who they think is more cultured and urbane. That chit really is so funny to observe

Jakumo is a LEGEND!!!

Ileke-IdI:


Do shut up.

The same Britonxyute is the one who creates tribal threads on this board. Before you play papa, know your pikin.

When did asking questions about Nigeria became tribalism?? I'm just getting to know you guys.

Brixtonyute:

Did you watch the videos I posted?

When there is inequality, it breeds class problems.. And when there is a class problem, that breeds inferior people. Parents can be chastised for the roles they play, but when there are no positive role models; kids tend to emulate the negative stereotypes. In an environment where drug dealers, and older gang members are the role models; with single parent households everywhere - who do you think the kids would emulate? Life is about survival of the fittest, and kids tend to emulate people who look like them.

When the most successful people who look like them are footballers, grime artists, drug dealers, and gang members - who do you think they would emulate??

Nigerian 419ers are the new emerging role models in the inner cities of London, don't be surprised when you start seeing a lot of these kids getting locked up for frauds in the future. It's a vicious cycle.

How does this answer my question? egbami!

What say you about the other parents who were able to breed "good" children in a racially discriminated environment? Stop creating excuses.

Jakumo: My delectable morsel Ileke Idi is not a tribalist that I know of, unless I missed a bunch of her posts somewhere up in here. Ha ha ha.

Seriously, though, I get a serious woody just imagining Ileke Idi in a grass skirt. Its all good ha ha.

Always the class clown.

Ileke-IdI:


How does this answer my question? egbami!

What say you about the other parents who were able to breed "good" children in a racially discriminated environment? Stop creating excuses.

In a democracy (demo-crazy like Fela Kuti would say), majority carries the vote. The "good" children are in the minority; if we add the number of criminals who were smart enough not to get caught, to the list of criminals.

Your chances of being a gang member, or being affiliated to one on the gully roads of London, if you're raised in a council estate - are as high as mountain Everest. You can't escape it. And the chances of girls being someone's baby mum are also as high as mount Zion. It's a vicious cycle, you won't understand, unless you're in the system.

I don't hate UK, I've got loads of love for the country; but the faster blacks understand that Anglo-saxons own their country - the better for everyone. Hey, they have good welfare programmes for lazy people, and unambitious people - but once you get your negro wake up call, then you would know that everything is not black, or white.

Brixtonyute:

In a democracy (demo-crazy like Fela Kuti would say), majority carries the vote. The "good" children are in the minority; if we add the number of criminals who were smart enough not to get caught, to the list of criminals.

Your chances of being a gang member, or being affiliated to one on the gully roads of London, if you're raised in a council estate - are as high as mountain Everest. You can't escape it. And the chances of girls being someone's baby mum is also as high as mount Zion. It's a vicious cycle, you won't understand, unless you're in the system.

I don't hate UK, I've got loads of love for the country; but the faster blacks understand that Anglo-saxons own their country - the better for everyone. Hey, they have good welfare programmes for lazy people, and unambitious people - but once you get your negro wake up call, then you would know that everything is not black, or white.

Bla bla bla. . . . stop writing essays.

Brixtonyute: [size=18pt]No one has answered the question[/size].. Just a bunch of essays, and comparisons..

PS: The questions you previously posted are not the important questions.

I prefer we find and implement solutions, rather than to sit idle and to make comparisons.

Ileke-IdI:

Bla bla bla. . . . stop writing essays.
PS: The questions you previously posted are not the important questions.

I prefer we find and implement solutions, rather than to sit idle and to make comparisons.

You should be able to dissect my comments to get your answers.

Solutions:

The solution seems to be as far as the moon is from planet earth; with the new generation of single mums everywhere. And they need a complete overhaul of the whole system, to make everyone equal; but that's like MLK's dream. If America can't seem to find a solution to their ghetto black problem, I don't think the UK will ever find a solution to the problem. A new generation of future gang members are already everywhere. All I see everyday are teenage mums of African descent, with jobless dads; who probably has kids with other girls.

Tell your government to fix Nigeria, so people can return to their country of origin.

Brixtonyute:

You should be able to dissect my comments to get your answers.

Solutions:

The solution seems to be as far as the moon is from planet earth; with the new generation of single mums everywhere. And they need a complete overhaul of the whole system, to make everyone equal; but that's like MLK's dream. If America can't seem to find a solution to their ghetto black problem, I don't think the UK will ever find a solution to the problem. A new generation of future gang members are already everywhere. [size=18pt]All I see everyday are teenage mums of African descent, with jobless dads; [/size]who probably has kids with other girls.

Tell your government to fix Nigeria, so people can return to their country of origin.

Where are you seeing these ppl? I've yet to meet teenage moms of African descent, talkless of single ones. Making stuff up to buff your theory? Abi only things get down like this in Briton?

Tell "my" government to fix Nigeria. . . . and when was it "my" government? As far as I know it, I'm not directly affect in any way by the decisions Nigerian Gov make.Send your concerns to GEJ's NL representative; Beaf. Dude is enjoying Government and amnesty money.

Katsumoto:


There is always a different perspective and everything is relative. When you compare opportunities in the UK with other European countries, Black people in the UK have it good but when you compare it with opportunities in the US, the picture is not so rosy. It may be true that a lot of black folk have white-collar jobs in the UK but you need to dig deeper to see an underlying issue.

Typically, most ‘successful’ black people in the UK are in the arts & entertainment, IT, medical, and accounting industries. In the industries where old boy networks reign supreme such as Law, surveying, tenured professorships, media, advertising, etc, you will find only a handful of Black folks. Even in the management consultancy industry, you will find many Caucasians with history and literature degrees from Oxford being selected ahead of more qualified Black folks.

For the black folks who have white collar jobs, they generally think that the UK is a good place until they hit the proverbial glass ceiling, then there careers goes into a rut and they are stuck in the same role for decades with no promotion. When they move (career-wise), it’s always horizontal and never vertical. Yes there are opportunities in the UK but it’s only for a few.

Black folks have been going to school, in large numbers, in the UK since the 40s but look at the boards of the FTSE 100 and there has only ever been one black CEO (Thiam, who was appointed in 2009). Currently, in the US, you have Thompson (McDonalds), Frazier (Merck), Chenault (Amex), Burns (female, Xerox), Ferguson (TIAA-CREF), O’Neal (Delphi), Otis (Darden). There are others such as Ward, Parson (Citigroup), ONeal (Merrill Lynch), Raines, etc.

One may argue that Black folks in the UK are not positioning themselves properly in terms of not knowing when to do post graduate courses and what courses to pursue. And also that not many are going to school. But what about those who have selected the right courses and done their post graduate programs at the right time and are still being overlooked.

My guy, look at my post that you quote to see I effectively qualified it with "average black folk". This is deliberate and relational to the issues the OP raised. I,e the simplistic insinuation that black folks , especially young boys, of Nigerian origin join gangs in the UK because there are "less opportunities for them" than obtains in the USA. This, frankly, is not true for many reasons. One of which, very importantly, is the implied fallacy that the USA does substantially better at the provisions of opportunities that guarantee a living wage and keep most folks away from crime.

Of course I am aware that, comparatively, black folks in America , at the highest echelon of professional endeavour, do better than black folks in the UK but that is not here nor there when we consider that this topic , as with many impacting on issues with significant societal influence, concern average folks who happen to be in the majority, in every Nation, by far. Can we say for bread-and-butter and middle level jobs, i.e those which supply individuals and families with living wages, America is better than the UK? Even relating to the development of young folks, I think the UK spends more money and invest more welfarist care in trying to ensure help is available. Our University education used to be free , for every Briton, not too long ago !!!! In fact, it can even be argued that the UK contributed to its own problem by pampering young folks in an age when instilling them proactively with a tough back-bone may have been more appropriate.

The issue you raised is interesing but not relational to the fallacy the OP implies i.e the notion that , for young folks, America meets the needs of immigrants and their offsprings better. Very few nations can match the USA when we talk of the empowerment of black folks at the highest level but this is also offset with how America , rightly or wrongly, is notoriously reputed for failing ordinary black folks to produce a disproportionatly high number of them living in poverty, joining gangs and generally being a menace to society.


With Texas alone being three times the size of the UK and with many States in the USA having serious issues with gang related crime, I think it is a tad ignorant for OP to make a simplistic comparison to the UK where the involvement of Nigerian with gangs is limited mainly to the worst suburbs of effectively one City - London.

Yes, England still has a problem with the genuine empowerment of black people at the highest level but it is still admirably ahead of many nations of the world, bar the USA, with the general provisions of an environment average black folks , the group that really matters, can thrive in. As with the example of Thiam, and even as it is a long time coming, things will improve as atitiude improve. It is the only option evolution accomodates since reality , today, shows that the Brits don't particularly have a greater propensity for discrimination more than others - even if many black folks in the UK , like Brixtonyute, may not accept this. As a well-travelled black person, I certainly know what obtains worldwide to the extent of appreciating the UK more even as I accept there is much work to be done to develop a genuinely equitable Nation where the needs of all citizens are met effectively and without compromise.

Ileke-IdI:


Where are you seeing these ppl? I've yet to meet teenage moms of African descent, talkless of single ones. Making stuff up to buff your theory? Abi only things get down like this in Briton?

Temm "my" government to fix Nigeria. . . . and when was it "my" government? As far as I know it, I'm not directly affect in any way by the decisions Nigerian Gov make.Send your concerns to GEJ's NL representative; Beaf. Dude is enjoying Government and amnesty. money.

If you have any family member in the UK between the age 18-22, ask them how many of friends have got kids - post the reply on nairaland.