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Later another deposition with NYSC. Atiku's Laywer: "Is Bola Adekunle Tinubu likely same person as Bola Ahmed Tinubu that is president today". NYSC boss: "Yes your honour he is ooooo, I'm conversant that Nigerians do bear multiple first names atimes" ( is as if this mumu wants me to lose my job sha)

I never in my life thought Obidi.ots will line behind Atiku. So LP was PDP that was disguising. Hahaha. I knew this all along. The Obi.diots are no more supporting LP oooo. It's like since there seems to be no clear path for Peter Obi with LP maybe he will return back to PDP and try and contest against Tinubu. Last last o shi ma lule. Presidential Politics in Nigeria takes strategic thinking.

The reason why Peter Obi and Atiku did not pull forces together to combat APC was their greatest mistake.

This is what Emilokan did with Buhari and now he is also president.

Actually I think Bola A Tinubu is a Black American that killed Jubril of Sudan and took his place. The Tinubu you're seeing here is not the same Tinubu they have in America. There are atleast three Bola A Tinubu. They could be more actually.One is Amoda, the other is Adekunle and the last is Ahmed. The Tinubu we have in Nigeria now is the one that killed Jubril of Sudan and took his place. It is not the same Tinubu in America. That one is Adekunle and she is a female black American, the same Buhari that was cloned to be Jubril. So right now the president we have that is Tinubu is actually Buhari who was thought to be Jubril el Sudan.

In short my summary is that bought Buhari and Tinubu are one and the same since Jubril was killed.

If you want to know if this is true, he just needs to remove his cap.

So it's no more Amoda Ogunlere. It's a black American lady called Adekunle Bola Tinubu. Obidi.ot.s are suffering from severe mental illness. Do many Nigerians have this low an IQ?

https://www.quora.com/What-should-I-do-if-I-lost-my-college-diploma

This is a thread on Reddit about what you do when you lost your diploma. Just reading through the first few post you can see that graduating certificates from colleges are mostly ceremonial abroad and they hang it on the wall.Its not an official record by any means. Please have some sense before posting trash and lies.

Stoplying:
Well you may soon recieve an official slap or perhaps an unofficial one, who knows: just a joke to show that I can also add "official" to the name of something.
Dude, me and 12inchess were not debating the same thing. I was not claiming that nobody names a document "official transcript" and he was not claiming that s transcript delivered to a person was official.
I was claiming that any transcript delivered to you is an easily forged document and the only thing official on it is its stamp.
It is for that same reason that the the expression "official transcript" is reserved for a transcript which is transmitted not to you, but to the asking institution directly.

I didn't know of that nomenclature, ok, so what.
And why again are we even talking about nomenclature?

My thesis: the only thing official about your transcript is the stamp on it.

And again, I asked 12inchess the circonstances of him being asked to submit a transcript in order to understand the nuances of what he was talking about, he smugly refused to answer by claiming I was asking "jamb questions". The example which you have is that of a university using transcript, which is one of the cases which I previously identified.

12inchess dives into debates without full knowledge of what is being discussed and creates confusion by debating something else entirely.

Lol.... okay. Whatever makes you sleep at night. You lie a lot. Your first claim was that there is no such thing as Unofficial or Official transcript when everyone who has applied to school in U.S or any western country knows there is. I do not have time to be discussing stamps with you. It is not the stamps that make the transcript official but that it is verifiable to come directly from the school. Some universities in the past will allow you to self deliver transcripts as long as it was in a sealed envelope. But they have stopped accepting these because of his issues that the envelope can be opened, manipulated and resealed.

Now, for the transcript to be official, the results must come directly from your school and to the requesting institution. Or , it must be an encrypted PDF verified on an online server. In fact if you attempt to print out from the Encrypted PDF, it will either 1) not allow you to print it or 2)Paste unofficial as a watermark on the printed copy.

The reason why I know this is because I have one of such PDFs from a school I graduated from. Many institutions will accept you to send this PDF to them. Not a print out from it. But the PDF itself. The idea being that the PDF is encrypted and cannot be tampered with.

No where is a stamp or no stamp an important matter in this discussion.

I shouldnt even respond to your discussion but I hate lies. Although I shouldn't expect much from someone with a Moniker "Stop lying"

NutritionGuru:
The appearance of these photos surprised me. All along, President Bola Amhed Tinubu have these photos and did not release it when the questions relating to the whereabout of his classmates was doing the rounds. He was kept quiet and remain focused of his Goals.

My question is did any of the journalists or media not have these pictures of him with his Africa and American classmates before now?
The President is truly the Greatest African Politician of this modern Era, he remained remains focused and not playing to gallery.

Some lessons learned here.

We have to make them labor in vain first naaa. It shouldn't be to easy for them.lol

It seems Atiku is the new commander of the Obi.di.ots.. The one that they are laboring in vain with him

blackslayer:
Here, this is an excerpt from Stanford University's website for example :

You must list and provide your [i]unofficial transcript [/i]for every post-secondary institution where you were enrolled — or are currently enrolled — in an undergraduate or graduate degree program.

Stanford considers unofficial transcripts to be sufficient for the review process. If you are offered admission to Stanford and accept the offer, you will be required to submit [i]official transcripts/degree [/i]conferral documents.

https://gradadmissions.stanford.edu/apply/transcripts

Stop wasting your time with this bloke. I gave up.

Stoplying:
Nope, stamped university results are only official to people like you. To actual educated people like me, they are mere information papers which are very susceptible to be forged. You are yet to say the circumstances in which you were giving a transcript.
Were you applying for a job or for an other school ?
Where was your diploma ? Did you even have a diploma ?
You are remaining vague.
As soon as I asked this question, I became a person who "didn't know enough about American universities to talk to you "

Be asking me jamb question. Have a nice day.

blackslayer:
Did you read the part where i stated it is debatable?
Also that provision was used to remove the governor-elect of Bayelsa in 2020, so why do you think this case should be different? I have stated the basis why Tinubu's case could be different, but that was just my opinion!

Did this governor actually graduate from the school he said he did? Did the school come to his defense? Stop lying or trying to be smart by half.

Stoplying:
They thought your transcript was a fraud. There is no such thing as "official transcript" it is all the same. But it is a document which can easily be faked. And as you said, you had your university send them the transcript. Your problem is more about the people you submitted your transcript not trusting you.
You haven't said in what circumstances you were submitting your transcript. It seems you don't have a diploma.

I don't have time to waste discussing with you.If you don't know that there is both unofficial and official transcript in America then you don't know enough about U.S university system to be discussing with me. You can go on Google and search for it yourself

Stoplying:
The only thing official about a transcript is the stamp on it. Transcripts can not and will not replace diplomas.

Not in America. I have attempted to submit one with a stamp on it in the past and the school rejected it. I had to go to my University to send them the official one directly from them.

blackslayer:
You are making a huge leap! I don't think intent to defraud is a necessary condition for forgery! It is debatable at best! This is why my opinion is that Tinubu might have a chance to beat the case in court. But from what i gathered from further research, the Nigerian constitution states forgery as grounds for disqualifying a candidate. There was a precedence for the governor-elect of Bayelsa in 2020! So why would it be any different in this scenario?

Okay ooo. Carry it to court. Shebi you guys are kuku used to losing in court. If he didn't graduate from CSU you would have a case. But since he graduated from there I think it's a waste of time. But it's a free world and Atiku is free to try.

12inchess:
That is your unofficial transcript. Stop lying. No school allows you to download official transcripts as PDFs except it is an encrypted PDF that will be authenticated by an online server and made official with Internet connection. I have done official transcript multiple times and I also have the downloaded unofficial transcripts in my possession.

Maybe you should try and use that transcript you have (if its not encrypted) to gain admission in another school abroad and see if they won't still request you to send them the official one.

Stoplying:
I studied in a developed country (France) with the sale exact system as in America.
A transcript is just a stamped paper with your results. You can download them nowadays from the university website. Back in the days, you needed to go to the secretary of the university and spend a while 5 minutes pending the printing and stamping of the transcript.

That is your unofficial transcript. Stop lying. No school allows you to download official transcripts as PDFs except it is an encrypted PDF that will be authenticated by an online server and made official with Internet connection. I have done official transcript multiple times and I also have the downloaded unofficial transcripts in my possession.

Nuheights:
Only Tinubu can answer that. But thank God he had an original he could have gone to pick up.
This is why I said this is not a conventional kind of "forgery". Why would a man forge a certificate when he has an original waiting for him?
In Tinubu's case, I find it difficult to use the word "forgery".

For there to be forgery there must be an attempt to defraud. How can you attempt to defraud when you genuinely obtained the degree. Don't they teach logic in schools?

Stoplying:
Wrong again, the purpose of a diploma is to give you an academic status. Attendance is not what dipolmas attest for, they attest fir the fact you past the exams in a satisfactory manner.
I have seen people attend a university but fail the exam, and I have seen people who showed up only during exams and passed the exams with success.
The group which failed the exams didn't get the degree, the one which didn't attend classes but past the exams well got the diploma.

You guys again didn't read the deposition or look well at the transcript because it shows clearly there that he not only ATTENEDED the school but also GRADUATED WITH B.S in Business Administration with a Major in Accounting.

Stoplying:
Dude, my transcripts are just ordinary paper printed by the university staff then stamped. Yes, in the absence of your diploma within conditions, you are allowed to use the transcript as proof you do have said diploma, that is why the university is always quick to deliver transcripts while you are waiting for your diploma. But you should know that it is perfectly reasonable for your transcript to be refused (that happened to me) and for the recruiter to insist that you must present your degree.
The only thing official about a transcript is the stamp on it.

Maybe in Nigeria. But in America what makes a transcript authentic is that it comes DIRECTLY from the school i.e they must be the one to mail it directly to the requesting individual. Even if the school prints it and stamps and you mail it yourself, then it can be agreed to be official except it's in a SEALED and UNOPENED envelope.

JOemmy:
I just feel CSU is trying to cove up tinibu due to the largesse they have been receiving from him how can anyone legitimately graduate from a university after all the hard work and later decide to throw all that away by going to forge the certificate that was issued to him instead of applying for a replacement? It doesn't make any sense to me.

This is the kind of stuff I hate to see online. You clearly didn't read the entire deposition because Nigerian don't read. This was one of the first questions the CSU rep was asked. That does their institution receive any donations from Tinubu or have they met him or any of his lawyers before to which they said No. Except when Tinubu requested his certificate. If you read it well, it is likely that Tinubu has requested a certificate from CSU and also had one that he got from the third party vendor which are very similar but not identical. That is the one he submitted to INEC. If you ask me, so long as he can prove he graduated from CSU and no evidence of identity theft then there is no case here. But you lots can continue laboring in vain. Na una sabi.

chidiokay:
Mumu what is more certified, than CSU coming out to public/court to Confirm & Affirm Tinubu graduated from there institution is equivalent of any original certificate.

The cases of Mmiesoma should of taught Obedient and atiku supporters a big lesson, only the issuance institution have a say plus final say
All those idiot blowing gramnar insulting jamb where are they today, Peter Obi wey wan teach INEC how to be INEC where is the ediot today.

Nigerians are so gullible, if not why will any learned person queue behind Mmiesoma against jamb, same idiot believed buhari was replace with jubril .. i give up on Obedient

Leave them alone naa. After CSU has come to say this person graduated with 3.52 from our university, they are still on twitter bleating like goats. If you don't know the institution that gives the degree is the only one that can say for sure if the degree is fake or real. This is common sense. Even if you carry this issue to 1000s courts all over the world, they will still defer to the awarding institution.

sotall:
Lol!

Its eithet you need some schooling or you were still a baby when she trended.

Kemi submitted fake nysc exemption certificate and that's why she was removed as Finance minister.

Do you really think that Kemi resigned because she submitted Oluwole NYSC or because she actually DIDNT DO NYSC. I dont even have time to argue with you. Abeg believe what you want to believe. If any school says you graduated from there and provides the transcript, then go and say the person didnt graduate from there naaa.

CivilianJTF:
Wow! That's too much though

The academic system is different. A in America is usually 90. In Nigeria, A is 70. Nigerian institution have stricter grading. The smartest studnet in a Nigerian university will not be graded 90 but 75 or something which is an A.

The systems are different. This is why U.S system doesn't really deal with certificates but transcripts. Third parties be printing all type of certificates. If you want accurate record of any student's academic record, you simply need to get the university to send you the transcript. They will send directly to the requestor. Anything not received directly from the university, they will never vouch for it. They will only defend what they sent to you DIRECTLY. This is why the university has no business telling you whether this certificate is real or forgery. But the transcripts they archive and store them. If you request for it in 100 years time they probably still have the transcript. The design of the certificate could be changed at any time but the academic record will always be kept.

sotall:
So what did Kemi do?

Kemi didn't do NYSC. That is different.

tolue42:
So my question is if the original certificate got lost, will the school or US now set up a special arrangements for you because you are a Nigerian??

The school already said they always use another party for replacement of certificate ( because certificate is not important to them).

If you read what the registrar said very well, they still have some certificates people don't come back to pick, just because transcript is the main thing to them.

obidii..iots are dumb. They think everything is anyhow like in Nigeria. If you want to verify academic standings in America, you simply ask the school for the transcript after the person has given you right to do a background check based on privacy laws. In about 2 weeks, they will send you the transcript. All this noise being made by Obi.di.ots literarily pisses me off. If CSU had come back to say he had no records in the school then we can discuss that but till then, this will be my last public comment on this issue.

PEOPLE NEED TO START GETTING SUED FOR FALSE NEWS IN NIGERIA. SOMEONE LIKE DAVID HUNDEYIN NOW, SHOULDN'T HE BE IN PRISON CELL?

It is a waste of time to try to explain to Obi.iidi.ots that the only official representation of academic standing in the u.s is the transcript obtained from the school. And the school has provided that but Obi.idi.ots get their news from David Hundeyin so I don't blame them for being d.um.b

What better victory that to make your enemies go the length to verify your transcript for you. Atiku go dey cry now. Tinubu probably has a copy of his transcript at home smiling it every morning and saying " Mumu people, you go learn lesson"

linearity:
I did not dispute that, yes they stated that he attended and graduated from CSU but the replacement certificate did not come from them.

He fraudulently obtained the replacement diploma.

Potato, photatoe. The main point being he graduated from there and has met the requirements to be eligible to contest. REST.

linearity:
Learn to read legal documents, CSU only stated 'Tinubu replacement Diploma', they did not say the replacement came from them. Early, they stated that they could not find his diplomas as they do not keep them but went further to produce Diploma of other students.

If CSU stated that they could not locate his Diplomas, how come they were able to produce a replacement as you alleged.

Also in previous Court proceedings on this case, CSU stated that they cannot under oath state that the Diploma that Tinubu presented came from them, read it, it is all online.

Also there are some noted differences between the replacement diplomas that Tinubu submitted to INEC and the sample CSU presented...look closed at the bottom of both and at the logo and the dates.

The Southwest College results were that of a female and between all these results and what Tinubu stated, it appear that he used the credentials of a female to gain admission and there are three or four different ages for him....My guess is that, he went to CSU for a Diploma to be submitted to INEC and on a search CSU told him that they can not find any on his file, he then went to Oluwo to get one that look very similar to internet available Diplomas from CSU and like every work on Oluwo certificate the devil is in the details.

Stop spreading lies and misinformation. If you can read, it is stated clearly that CSU agrees he attended and graduated from there. They even posted his transcript.

My problem with the opposition in Nigeria is that they focus on the minor. Buhari was President for 8 years with "NEPA bill" certificate. Tinubu is President and will not be removed. This is a fact of life. Why not move on and focus on some other endeavors that could be beneficial?

Fujiyama:
Funny how we have been reduced to GPA calculations to infer that BAT had a first class (or whatever you want to call it).

The Nigerian university system (despite all its problems) has all universities state very clearly who has a first class...and who does not. There is nothing to debate or argue about. Your class of degree is clearly stated and forms part of the written record of convocation proceedings.

Meanwhile...some people have conferred a so-called first class degree on an individual even though his alma mater has said nothing of the sort about its former student. I have never heard of a case where the public assumes the responsibility of 'assigning' first class honours to a student - and then loudly proclaims this dubious honour at every turn.

Nonsense.

You Obituarists are just pathetic. First it was that he didn't go to CSU. Next was that he didn't get a First Class. E Pele ooooo. Transcript evaluator. You need to get a life.If you like cry from now till next year. It is schools that determine who graduated from their college or not. Now that they have shown us all his transcripts, I will advice you to just REST. The requirements for being a president is SSCE and Tinubu has a college degree.

CivilianJTF:
It's a first class bro!

3.52/4.00 is equivalent to 88% which is a firstclass

Not really. It's about 3.7 to 3.8 for a first class based on my experience with American college system.