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frank317:
U are right bro...hey Mr 5minsmadness... Sorry for calling u a fool.

frank317:
I don't know if there is a God, but ibam sure hell what you whorship is not the creator. I posted that because I don't believe you have any access to any creator.

And what is wrong with that? U seem to forget that there is a religious body whose purpose of going to heaven is to have their share of 72 virgins right? Hope they are spoiling your mood too with that believe.

frank317:
Hmmm to me the idea of God is a joke. If you feel offended because I said God (something I see as a joke) can go to hell would it be right if I get offended when you tell me God (something I see as silly) loves me and will send men to hell if i don't love him back? Listen I don't believe it and I can't remember anytime Christians respected my believes. They only call u a fool for not believing in their God. Even their bible encouraged that.


Now if you call me frustrated... I think I was even kind enough to just call you a fool for that. Trust me.
Stop accusing me... I never called you a fool until you called me frustrated. You were the one who started with the insult.



Yea... I actually came here to win a prove you wrong if I can. I think your believe is silly and I am sick of silliness being shoves in my face. Hence when I see the need to opppose it... Trust me, I will.

At the last bolded on your post...it this the crux of your quarrel with God? Are you rebelling because you think if you disobey God you will go to hell? That's not the way brother. God made hell for the devil.and his angels, not for any man. It is a pity man had been tainted with sin and cannot enter heaven with it for no unclean thing shall enter that place.

frank317:
What's this? Its seems you love assumptions. Who cares if he throws even himself into hell. If he created the world and decides hell is the best option, that show your God is incompetent. [size=14pt]I am just trying to prove to you how meaningless what you believe is[/size]. If you can ask me the question above.... U make me wonder if you are capable of getting into discussion with me.

frank317:

This is my problem with you guys. You admit that there is no record of supernatural occurrence when the missionaries evangelized Africa, yet you want her to accept your assumption that supernatural means was used to spread the gospel.
Isn't it obvious that supernatural occurrence would awe the people and lead them to record such happening? Would they just over look it and record less mind blowing occurrence?
And if she doubt your assumption you accuse her of being unnecessarily stubborn.

[size=14pt]Calm down frank![/size] You are doing the same thing you accused me of earlier, and that is not reading a post well before answering. Look at the post again below:

5minsmadness:
There is no record saying supernatural happenings did not occur when the missionaries evangelised Africa...
Note the negation there in bold, you are a literary genius, you should know I was trying to say that supernatural events most likely would have taken place!

Well like you rightly pointed out, I am human and it does not make sense to me. Perhaps you are God. However you came to conclusion that it makes sense to God, I don't know. If it makes sense to him, does he not know it does not make sense to me? If he cares less about how it does not make sense to me, then I also care less about how it makes sense to him

Honestly, that's your choice. If God wanted to use angels to spread the gospel he would have done so from Jerusalem, not Africa. And like i said, most people on seeing angels tend to bow down and want to worship them thus removing the glory of worship from God. That would be too much of a distraction. Your own fellow human being coming to preach to you is much better than an angel from the skies. Angel or human you have heard the gospel. What you are going to do with it is solely up to you!

Primitive times indeed and your God had to wait for humans to make internet before deciding that talking to us directly was no longer the best option. Why didn't he come up with internet since he knew that trying to talk to people directly would kill them. Primitive times seems to limit your all knowing God too.

What point are you trying to make here? God knew talking to humans directly wasn't the best option since the time of exodus, probably before then! What has the invention of the internet got to do with this discussion??

Lol... Now humans (who dont know anything about divination) are talking to us about God, your God expect this will make more impact? Seriously? You think your God does not understand hunger because he does not get hungry? Now I understand why children in somalia are dying of hunger despite praying to him.

@bolded, oh[b][size=15pt] I strongly disagree sir.[/size] [/b]Humans know a lot about divination. Just because you have never seen air doesn't mean it does not exist. Just because you have never experienced anything supernatural doesn't mean it doesn't exist!
The hunger example is given for the benefit of humans, not God. If a rich man comes to you and says "I know what it means to be poor, I've been there." and a poor man comes to you and says "I know what it means to be poor" who are you more likely to believe? The poor man of course. God would rather a human like you preach the gospel to you than a deity like an angel!

Tell your God its not working. He should trying another means of reaching the people (since he is good at trial and error). Actually I would suggest to your all knowing deity that talking to us directly would yield a better understanding of him.

I strongly believe God is more interested in quality than quantity. He would rather have refined material that has gone through the fire than any tom, dick and harry. The truth is no matter what is done the gospel will not be accepted by everyone.

Now I am confused: actually you are confused; let me get you straight: are you now complaining that using humans will not work again because people would worship them as God? So why is he still using humans? What does your God expect when he choses to remain invisible.
Again am confused: actually u are confused; you claimed he would have used supernatural means to spread the gospel in Africa, why are you suggesting it would throw of point God's message?
When he used supernatural means in the bible, did it throw of point his message?
Your God seem to have created humans, only to be confused on how best to reach them band communicate smoothly with them. What's hard in reaching his people and making them to understand him and worship him the way he likes? Why is such an easy thing difficult for him?
No, instead of getting it right for once in his everlasting life, the best option for him is to spend so much effort in creating hell so the he will punish those who can't reach him.
So much for an all knowing God.

Of course you are confused because you didn't understand the post from the beginning![size=15pt] You are looking for who to attack instead of trying to understand the message![/size]

There are numerous instances in the bible where a miracle worker or prophet was seen as a god or to be worshiped etc. Each time such prophets are people would be quick to point to God as the source of the glory and not them. Even Jesus Christ that worked so many miracles in the three years he spent on earth was ALONE on the cross! No army rose up from the people he healed to save him! Even his apostles ran away from him! Miracles DO NOT WORK in bringing about salvation! God wants loyal subjects not ass-kissers! He doesn't want a repitition of the heavenly rebellion! He is looking for quality not quantity.

At the last bolded on your post...it this the crux of your quarrel with God? Are you rebelling because you think if you disobey God you will go to hell? [size=15pt]That's not the way brother[/size]. God made hell for the devil.and his angels, not for any man. It is a pity man had been tainted with sin and cannot enter heaven with it for no unclean thing shall enter that place.

Don't listen to those religious christians threatening you with hell if you don't accept the message o eternal life. Those are scare tactics and those christians are working in error! Believe rather in the love of God and His willingness to take your soul under his wings at the end of your sojourn on earth, believe that this world around you and whatever happens in it is temporary and will all come to an end. Even Death will come to an end. What we as christians should be hustling for is what comes afterwards! Don't focus on eternal damnation if not you will continue being angry. Focus on eternal life and peace instead!

5minsmadness:

There is no record saying supernatural happenings did not occur when the missionaries evangelised Africa. They came in contact with a lot of danger including fetishes and witchcraft, how did they overcome it? Wasn't supernatural power needed to conquer these? Isn't it possible that ar least one miracle was wrought during evangelisations in those primitive times? Unless of course you don't believe in such things to begin with.

Doesn't make sense to you who cant see tomorrow but makes sense to God who sees all things from the beginning to the end. These were primitive times, there was no internet, and talking to human beings from the sky was out since the last time He tried it the people died(hence no man can look upon the face of God and live). Also there is something of a connection/ comfort between human beings when the person like you talks about an experience he is having. You will be more willing to accept than if a divine entity who doesn't know what it means to go hungry talks to you about hunger, you understand?

Ordinary Paul and Silas came to a gentile nation to preach the gospel and after working miracles the people wanted to worship them as gods. This would have diverted them away from the message of salvation. Using supernatural methods have always thrown off the point of God's message. Even till today people flock to churches not for the salvation of their souls but for flamboyant miracles. The soul is more important to God than the flesh because the soul is immortal. The flesh isn't and will decay here.

frank317:
Thanks Mr John. He uses abusive words on me because I don't go with his beliefs. And when I say I an allergic to bullshit he wouldn't understand what I mean.

frank317:
Like I said... Quote me any where u think I was bitter. I never call you fool until u called me a frustrated person. Pls stop accusing me and lying. I even warned you about it. Go through our discuss, I never called you names until u insulted me.
I have little patience for lairs. Pls quote where I just insulted you during a discuss. U purposely keep on repeating I am angry... Without proof... Yet you don't see that as insult.

frank317:
I look at the womanliness of a woman in wonder and say... What being could create such a magnificent sweetness if not God.

If earthly pussssyyy could taste this great, then [b]heveanly holes [/b]would be fantastic

frank317:
I am not surprised because this is someone who just assumes there is a man somewhere in the sky who loves him and even provide food for him. Assuming I am spiritually frustrated wouldnt be that hard for you would it?

Pls do me a favour... Just point out one of my posts that made you assume I am bitter, angry and frustrated.

Like Johnny said, I intend to go into intellectual argument with u but all you do jump the gun and run away with the exxuse that I am bitter, yet you can't quote one post that shows I am bitter.

I was having a discuss with you and I was simply telling you if the creator wants to reach or if he exists and communicates with me, I will know and would not doubt him. If the creator exists I will be too small not to follow his instructions when he wants me to. This is one reason I am sure that whoever you are worshiping in not the creator. I am yet to see anyone who had had contact with the creator hence my doubt of his existence.

You ran away from that discuss with an OK and went ahead to conclude I am bitter and spiritually frustrated.

If you have read my books you will understand I am not a shallow person. I am a very deep thinker and don't just take any information in without questioning. But to you that attitude means I am frustrated. You will like me better if I stop thinking and asking questions and just accept in your religion, something I find hilarious.

If you were following me in literature section, you would notice I was writing a story when my fiance died. Its one of the tragedies i went through. I went through the pain alone and it made me ask certain question about our existence. I discovered a lot and realized that religion is bullshit. And like I always saw... I am allergic to bullshit.

Frank3.16

tuagbo:
What they were doing to "Frank317"is called "Projection".They are merely projecting their own "spiritual frustrations," anger and bitterness on "Frank317".They truly believe they are smart but they aren't.These "religious" folks are just too simple-minded.That's why I don't participate in any "back & forth" with them.

johnydon22:
Dont you hear yourself?
making assumptions about someone and claiming its true...
Frank have never accused or assumed you of being intellectually frustrated because assumptions is a big fallacy in an argument.

Their is nothing like bitterness, frank might be a militant atheist but he only wishes to engage you guys in an intellectual argument not assumptive riddled assertions that are preposterous.

You assume someone spiritually frustrated even when the person is fully aware that their is nothing like spirit to him.
and you expect him not to get offended?

What if he assumes you intellectually frustrated wont you get offended too?

Seriously people you guys should always employ intelligence in ur arguments and not always assumptions, assumptions and assumptions... habaaa

IamLEGEND1:
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Gooci:
yu were just mistakingly mentioned...... change yur moniker to freemadness or Uzumakishuriken

Hiswordxray:
Then why does it look like you are angry?
Why are you pouring out your anger on Christians?

My dear be true to yourself and admit that you are hurt. You are suffering and it OK, God loves you.
You may have misunderstood Him before but now I am here to help.
Tell me what is hurting you, tell me how God had wrong you.

obowunmi:
5minsmadness just say you weren't ready. Nothing wrong if a woman bring up the issue of marriage. If you're ready, and you like her, why not?

I don't think marriage is the way many people see it. It's o not a big deal for anyone who is not ready.

Conversation about it, shouldn't end relationships.

Fatalveli:
5mins madness display. But ggrin I thought you've found a cure.

Omashey ooo

xzibukz:
because a pastor told my mum we aren't compatible as future partner.
she's really pretty & i loved her.

vivaciouzz:
I just dunno y..hez very Ok,cute,got nice body,got a bright future,hez intelligent n hardworking, hez a good cook..hez got all I ever wanted in a man..yet I broke up with him

keeper1:
whaaaaaat
you call me just like that

dont you know who i be?

You know how many soldier i get?

**shoots in the air**