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Plenty mumu dey this Nairaland, they never heard the audio or video but automatically concluded based on some headline. Let us hear the actual audio or video and realize the words in Yoruba language gives a completely different tone. Criticize the man all you want but at least do it using facts and not propaganda.

Eneye4me:
Pls, get sense Tell Us how many American soldiers died in that war.

Did you expect none to die? Unless you're suggesting more Americans died than terrorists then the end still justifies the means, so mr. dullard you sef seek wisdom!

BluntTheApostle:
You are a very big fool.

Who won the Afghanistan War?

You have gone on spewing rubbish like an imbecîle.

If the United States achieved their aim, the Taliban retaking their position is not an achievement abi?

So, when Trump began to plan the demilitarization of Afghanistan, it was because the Taliban had been weakened?

Show me the proof that Trump mentioned this as one of the reasons why it was necessary to demilitarize?

Some of you ignoramuses will just come here with your know-all posture to spew rubbish with so much confidence.

Go and read what Biden said as reason for a need to demilitarize, and show me where it mentioned any of the rubbish you mentioned above?

A village idiot such as yourself believe you know something about international politics.

The United States abandoned the war, and the Taliban reinstalled itself. It is a Taliban victory.

In the Soviet-Afghanistan War, the Afghan Mujahideens lost 90000 fighters, but it was the Soviet Union, who lost fewer men that were regarded as the losers.

All the nonsense about the casualties have no bearing on the ultimate result of the war.

Get that into your stupid head.

Stupid village boy feeling funky!!!

Yo ba furo baba e.

Do you even know yout father? Omo Ale! You can't argue based on substance hence you must result to cheap insults and sentiments, it is okay, you can continue arguing with your ancestors!

BluntTheApostle:
Simple, the United States invaded Afghanistan and unsat the Taliban. After 20 years of hostility, the Taliban reclaimed their seat, while the American troops hurriedly demilitarized Afghanistan.

That's a simpleton way of putting things, the U.S went to war against Al Queda(Group formed by Bin Laden), they asked the Taliban governement to fish out Bin Laden but the Taliban government refused so they invaded Afghanistan. U.S war on Afghanistan was more agianst Al-Queda than Taliban but simpletons like you don't know the difference. The Taliban government was compromised hence needed to be reformed, U.S achieved their main mission by successfully invading Afghanistan, driving Bin Laden and his group to Pakistan and eventually killing him and crippling Al-Queda, their second mission of reforming the Taliban government into a more democratic and fair government did not work out but make no mistake the main goal was achieved.

I've just given you a paragraph and even this wouldn't satisfy my requirements during an exam, I would have to detail how al Queda no longer have their sophisticated financial funding network, I would have to demonstrate how the Taliban would never want Al Queda to regain strength and how it is in the best interest of the Taliban to maintain a peaceful Afghanistan.

BluntTheApostle:
If you are a student of international politics, and they ask you a SIMPLE question: "Who won the Afghanistan War?"

Give them an evasive answer such as the one you have provided here, and see if you will get any marks.

Who won the Afghanistan War? The simple answer is: The Taliban.

SIMPLE.

If you want to discuss the economic and psychological cost of the war, that is an entirely different topic.

A student of international politics that gave the answer on an exam question should fail that exam. As a Ph.D holder, I expect you to name the ways they won, what was the causalty cost? How did you derive your answer? I expect you to write at least 3-4 paragraphs explaining your rationale

BluntTheApostle:
It is recorded as a Taliban victory.

When the Soviets withdrew from the Soviet-Afghan War, it was recorded a Mujahideen victory.

Recorded? Someone came in and stole 10, 20 or 30 years of your life and you call it a victory because they eventually got bored and left? LMAO.....Taliban might celebrate but the Afghan peole will never be the same again. Their economy declined by more than 2000%, the human cost and the emotional toll. Even the Taliban can never get back to their powerful status of the early 2000s, their finances severely crippled(AML/KYC) and their memebers easily killed by drones. Let nobody deceive you, anybody celebrating victory from the Afghan war is highly delusional!

ifeanyiclement:
Russia should not only be sanctioned, but NATO should be ready to put boots on the ground. That's the only way to call the depot's bluff, the sooner the new Hitler is opposed the better

It's not going to happen, Ukraine is not a NATO country hence their hands are tied, if Putin wants to get stupid, he can attack a NATO ally like Poland.

Keegan:
Which country you want to japa to when your green passport piss off people of most countries? I can bet it, not until serious fight begins Nigerians and to some extent Africans trapped over there will not be allowed easy passage to the West.

You have to be there to understand what it is.

In War, you are not limited to flights, people cross the border all the time, Belarus, Moldova, Belarus are all viable countries, when death is knocking, you don't open the door and say, "WELCOME SIR"!

Keegan:
You wouldn't understand. It's a pity many of you are reasoning this way, put yourselves in their shoes. Majority of those trapped over there are students many of whom live from hands to mouth. Ukraine is a very poor eastern European countries, it's not easy to be studying there. It is not so easy for the natives not to talk about the foreigners. Those in the eastern part of the country will feel the heat most. May God come to the rescue of my countrymen and women.

The black man makes excuses for his own failures while the white man learns from it. Someone in foreign land should always be vigilant, if you don't have the resources to study abroad why embark on such a journey? Russia invading Ukraine is not a shocker, it was expected for several weeks now.

Let me ask you a simple question, if a powerful foreign country threatened to invade Nigeria and you had at least 2-3 weeks notice, would you stay in 9ja or would you jaapa to a neighboring country knowing fully well Nigeria's government cannot protect you?

News of war has been circulating for weeks now, the mumus no make plan, as usual with majority of Nigerians na to wait until the last minute to start shouting like goats. Keep waiting on Buhari you hear, keep waiting

90% of Nairalanders have said same or worse.......don't be hypocrites! Only reason most of y'all sound liing like a broken record is because you know he can actually back it up due to his father's status and that my friend is the koko, how can a bloody tout have so much? It ain't fair

Sannisege:
So why are you supporting Atiku? Or is Atiku a catholic?

You dey mind the drunkard

Albertone:
Not everyone has the opportunity to find a balance easily.Sometimes,the balance might still not be convenient.

Not every doctor has the ability/resources to practice privately yet.
By the time a woman builds her banking experience and is able to pick between banks, she'll have been done with child birth.
You now see things don't always go as we want them to go.

It's not about being easy but practicable. A medical doctor can become disable, ill, lose his license etc, what would happen to the family if the wife had given up her career and became a stay at home mom? The problem with most of us is that we are not built for the long term, we tend to focus on the now now now and accept the fate of the future. Most whites have redundancy plans, they have life, disability and income insurance but average Nigerian man has none and still wants his wife to sit at home and play chief mrs........It works when they are wealthy but if they are average or just barely making it then you open yourself up to the fear of the unknown, the cruel game that life tends to play with us all. Nothing is guaranteed in life but don't handicap yourself by reducing your sources of income in a jungle like Nigeria.

Albertone:
*A medical doctor husband that can be called upon anytime even when not on duty.
*A banker wife that can get home by 10pm depending on the situation at work.
*The husband bearing the financial responsibility at home can't quit his job.

Which balance are we talking about other than the wife putting career on hold??

What happens when the banker wife loses her job? Will she not be forced to have more time for the kids?
What happens when the medical doctor loses his license or is too fatigued to be mobile? Would he not have more time for the kids?

There's always a balance and those who refuse to find it are usually humbled by life one way or another. A medical doctor can have his own practice and dictate his hours, a banker can build her experience and have her pick between banks, I'm sure not all bankers work till 10pm every day, make we no make excuses for the inexcusable!

This is why I love some cultures, there's no need for DNA test, the child simply won't survive if it is not a bilogical issue of that particular lineage. I know some Yoruba and Igbo communities that still practice it till date and looking at the cost of DNA and the issues surrounding it, the greatest solution here is a brutal and harsh deterrence.

I have yet to see a woman that would carry a pregnancy for 8-10 months knowing fully well the child will not survive......Most of our forefathers had peace because they had controls in place.....No dulling!

Another example of why Buhari is not Nigeria's biggest problem! The education and societal systems started failing long before now, you can see the evidence from every sector, whether it is your neighbors, the market traders, high judge, politician, doctors etc.; failure everywhere!

Just look at the morons on this forum, they couldn't even see beyond the pregnancy and realize it is a major issue of having unfair and discriminatory rules. No employer has the right to make such ridiculous law, one could understand if they said pregnancy in itself is cause for termination but to have one set of rules for someone married and another for single folks is pure retardation!

One could argue that a preganant person cannot fulfill police or force duties but that's why we have maternity leave; now unless we are saying maternity leave does not apply to single folks, I failed to see the problem here!

Finally those justifying that there's a difference between a woman getting pregnant and a man impregnating a woman are clowns on another level. If every man was held accountable like overseas where child support is costly and effective then you nonentities would understand that men contribute just as much to the decay of society as the females.

Yeye people dey shout Aregbesola Aregbesola, shaki sef dey form meat . Tinubu does not talk much but when he wan deal with you, he does so with magnificent SHOCK......

abeeee:
Now the fool is going into motivational speaking after discovering ho much of a dumbo he is
Well I expect you to help your life and that of your generation by not being an ignoramus
So learn and don't quote me again

You be Edo boy and you dey yarn like this? Shame..... My mama's people are known to be smart and practical, you sure say you no be bastaaard?

abeeee:
Wow I didn't expect this kind of diversion too

Cognitive dissonance a big problem to helping people of their deep ignorance

Its a pity

Guy you talk too much, you might be the most intellectual person on Earth but if you cannot control your tongue you're no better than a fool....Keep shut and stay humble!

abeeee:
So you still fail to see where you are ignorant or you just want to keep slaving
.or you don't know the simple propaganda games the NATO and the west played in Libya ?

Unfortunately you're not a Libyan hence you are just spewing rubbish!

Invitationn:
You're a slippery one, I give that to you.
So they don't have to "REVOLT" again, they have to vote now.
And I hate to mention it but you're so uninformed than I thought ab initio.
So the West backed down when Crimea was annexed? Do you even know the meaning of annexation?
You're trying so hard to slip away from your goof by romanticizing the "Crimea voted to leave" narrative. They didn't leave, they were annexed!
Do you even know that till date, the Ukrainian govt has not recognized Crimea as part of Russia, or the referendum for that matter?
You're a waste of my time.
Apparently, you didn't even know about the Donbass conflict until I mentioned it.

Modified: You dare accuse me of justifying a full blown invasion after you justified 4 full blown invasions by US and tagged the 5th one a "Mistake". Listen to yourself!

Like I said before arguing on bullshit point is a waste of time...Please continue arguing with your keyboard.

Invitationn:
Chief, apparently, you are the one that's a kinda lagging behind here.
Donetsk and Luhansk people are separatists groups who's been fighting the Ukrainian govt since March 2014, shortly after the annexation of Crimea. They don't want to be part of Ukraine anymore. They want to be annexed like Crimea.
So what do you have to say now?
Put this reason vis-a-vis the reasons you claimed the US invaded other sovereign nations.
Does it satisfy your "they have to revolt" rhetorics?

I'm tired of explaining it to you, why did you think the international community backed down when Crimea was annexed? It's simple, the people of crimea followed due democratic process, they held their ballots and voted to be part of Russia instead of Ukraine, there's nothing stopping the others from doing the same. In fact, Russia would have more supporters that way than just blindly invading, this ain't the 1930s!

Now to your other point, if you are genuinely comparing a response to a direct attack or a defense of allies the same as invading a nation all in the name of showing dominance then I'm not going to waste my time with you anymore, Iraq was a mistake and even the American people were against it but Afghanistan? Really? You're going to defend that? Come on dude, have a little self respect!

Invitationn:
This "less than 10%" has been engaging the Ukrainian government since God knows.
The manner in which you put the "less than 10%" reminds me of Buhari's "less than 5%" remark.
For the record, there's no international law that says you must have certain percentage to seek for self determination. Why is Ukraine not letting them go?

And Stop flattering NATO. Since the Russian military build up, what's been NATO actions asides chest beating on the media.
No deployment, no drills no nothing!
They went MIA when Russia annexed Crimea.

You don't get it do you? You're trying to justify a full blown invasion of a country and I told you the citizens have to revolt. I don't care about the percentage, if the revolt is not comprehensive enough then it will be squashed. Crimea citizens exercised their rights and were annexed, nothing is stopping other regions within Ukraine from doing the same but you are talking about something different, you're talking about an invasion, physical violence and that ain't it chief!

InoGetJoy:
US has invaded Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan etc. Those are all sovereign countries.[s] Does US have a right to invade them under whatever useless pretences?[/s]

[s]Russia doesn't have any issue with Ukraine joining NATO, Russia has issues with the effect of that alliance which is the US stationing a military base probably with nuclear missiles in Russia's backyard.[/s]
When Russia and Cuba had a military alliance, US invaded Cuba and that's what caused the Cuban Missile Crisis but the funny thing is that Cuba is at a great distance from the US mainland whereas Ukraine shares borders work Russia.

Also, Ukraine is a former Russian territory. Most Ukrainians are Russian, they found themselves in another country (Ukraine) when the USSR fell. They voted that if Ukraine joins NATO, they'll break awake from Ukraine and rejoin Russia.


There are many twists and turns, but the fact is that the US and other countries have been shouting themselves hoarse with their propaganda, and I'm happy Russia allowed them to disgrace themselves

You're not making sense, U.S never invaded Libya, that's pure B.S. and WTF do you mean by pretense? You mean someone came into your home killed your family and you won't track them down to the ends of the Earth? Guy come off it!

Your analysis that Ukraine is Russia's backyard hence that gives Putin the right to invade them doesn't make any sense, if that's the proper justification then Israel needs to wipe out all the Islamic neighbors because they represent a threat to them......See how silly that sounds?

abeeee:
Did you just say the rubish you said concerning Liby? Oh my God we still have mental slaves this deep in slavery sucking the imperialist balls

You mean citizens inside Libya did not openly revolt against their government? Those with intellect can refute points without insults but those with nothing to offer just bark!

Cptflint:
If you are enlightened about military politics, you should not have made this statement. Why do the Cuban missile crisis happened?. If you can get this right, then you will understand Russia stand point.

You are comparing a nation that openly embraces communism to one that opposes it. Cuban crisis occurred because they represented a growing threat to democracy and even then the USA never invaded Cuba so what's the comparison here?

Invitationn:
Lol.
How predictable! Better than the Americans, you found reasons to justify the invasions of all the sovereign nations I listed above except for Iraq
Are the Russians trying to invade Ukraine for no reason?
Just like your Biafra and South Vietnam people, there are Russians in Ukraine who desperately want out.

Then let those people rise up against the Ukranian government. Once they revolt, justification becomes easy but if you are talking about less than 10% of the poupulation then that hardly counts as insurrection....lol.

Koko be say, unless those people revolt and cause a revolution, Russia has no ground on invasion and will be met by the full force of NATO, this ain't the USSR my nigga, that crap ended over 70 years ago

InoGetJoy:
Russia never had any plans of invading Ukraine UNLESS Ukraine joins NATO.

US keeps saying Russia wants to invade, and they keep giving dates but those dates come and nothing happens and they choose another date.

There has always been soldiers at the Russian/Ukrainian border, which is normal for every country.

Russia fears no sanctions. The west has been slapping Russia with sanctions for eons but Russia has been surviving. Right now, any further sanctions against Russia is a waste of time; Russia already had trade partnership with many European countries all the way to Germany for their gas, and China for military alliance.

Ukraine and Russia are genetically same people. They have same language, same customs. This dichotomy you people are seeing between Russia and Ukraine, the people in these countries don't actually see it.

I hope you know about the Cuban missile crisis? The exact same thing the US has been bitching about is what led to that crisis, except that in this case Ukraine is right on Russian border while Cuba is a distance from the US mainland.


Lastly, I would advise you get your news and info from neutral news agencies. My eyes opened when I stopped getting news from CNN, BBC, fox news etc. Funny enough, these 3 news agencies are owned by the same company.

Have you ever wondered why the Russians are always portrayed as the enemy in Hollywood movies? I'll leave you to do that research for yourself.
Shalom

Your opening sentence says it all, a soverign nation unable to join any association it pleases. So is Ukraine a soverign country or not? Because it seems like you're saying Russia has the right to invade any country close to them that joins Nato....lol.

Invitationn:
The idea of sovereignty is complicated.
For instance, sovereign nations like Iran and North Korea trying to develop a nuclear program just like other sovereign nations like the US, Israel, Russia etal, only to be punished through sanctions, Isolation and threat of invasion by the big boys.
The US invaded Iraq on the false premise that they possessed WMD only to realize they had no such weapons.
Was Iraq not a sovereign nation?
Was Vietnam not a sovereign nation?
Was Afghanistan not a sovereign nation?
Was Libya not a sovereign nation?
Was the invasion of these SOVEREIGN countries justifiable?
But your so-called champions of democracy will find every reasons to justify the invasions.
All the atrocities committed by Israel in the West Bank and their continuous occupation and expansion into Palestine was called SELF DEFENSE.

But the Russians can't invade Ukraine- their closest neighbor who's dying to dine with their enemies(NATO) and put Russia security at risk?

Come on that's revisionist history! You're being deliberately mischievious here! Vietnam was a full blown war with causation as the people of South Vietnam did not want communism imposed on them, it's like the Biafran people officially declaring separation from Nigeria and the outside world accepted only for Nigeria to bomb them and attempt to wipe them out, essentially provoking the international community. Furthermore, Libya was well justified as their own people overthrew Gaddafi nothing else and Afghanistan harbored an immediate threat not only Bin LAden but Al Queada as a whole, in the aftermath of 911, it would be crazy for the U.S to sit back and let them continue to scheme another attack. The only solid point here is Iraq and which the USA is still paying dearly for even after two decades, Iraq was Bush's personal vendetta and majority of Americans knew he was full of sh*t!

Lol.....kids! Even your daddies and mommies watch porn and masturbate, Yekini the pauper down the street masturbates but guess what? Even Adenuga and Dangote participates, person wey go lose focus go lose focus. There's a difference between moderation and addiction, unfortunately most of y'all don't know the difference and hence everything is bad!

When two elephants fight na grass go suffer. I feel sorry for a country like 9ja that imports everything.....Do any of y'all even have a contigency plan? Prepare for Naira to become even more worthless and a global economic depression. That fool named Putin and the idiot named Biden should know that the war affects more than just Americans and Russians, Buhari no go act now until it is too late.....Chineke!

If na to shine teeth on Nairaland and argue about ethnic and political issues now you go dey prepared but job interview mbah.....lol. Interviews are already stressful enough if you're just starting out don't handicap yourself by relying on things like NEPA, outdated computer and just one network. A backup power supply which costs less than 60k could have saved you lots of stress and also next time during an interview, never ever talk about chances or apologize more than necessary.