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Another example of failed society. Pikin no go school for like a year, parents no dey concerned, community no dey concerned, school no dey concerned and government no send anybody. Abroad if your child missed school for a week or more be prepared to have very very good reason when child protective services shows up, in fact many have lost their children all because of I don't care attitude. In this case, the mother is not fit to be a parent, the father is also useless because he has priotized making money over the future of his offsprings, a man that cannot control his home is not a MAN, in fact cut off his balls and be done with it.....SMH!

baralatie:
Which one is real legend and which one is fake?

Those wey sabi vs those wey get mouth

Some of una don watch blue feem so tey una don dey believe that is the minimum expectation, break bed FC. No need for any drug or herbs, any woman wey require more than 10-15 minutes of jacking is not one that loves you. The real legends don't knack more than 10-15 minutes, na pre-intimacy be the real end game, pre-intimacy wey dey last one or two hours if don properly, girl go don reach Jupiter before actual mundunmundun

anonimi:
Is that the disease that infected those Americans to vote Trump

No that is different, Americans vote based on anger/emotions, you have to sell your market well through debates and ads before they vote for you. The more controversial the candidate the more they like him or her. America is divided into 3, the Conservatives that dislikes anything that is too flexible, changing etc, the Liberals that wants everything to change, everyone to have all the rights while taking away some rights they don't like and the final and most dangerous part, the Independents, they vote based on feelings and will swing from one party to another or not vote at all, most times na dem dey decide the winner.

masterflowx:
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Fashola remain the most popular and of course, the original builder of Lagos after Tinubu. Hamzat is Fashola Paddy and he wanted to choose him as his presuccessor after his 8 years a an executive governor of lagos state but Tinubu declined the offer by presented Ambode. Kponkedenge

True because at that time Hamzat was too close to Fashola and Fashola and Tinubu were not exactly best of buddies

anonimi:
Is tomfoolery a synonym for being dumb

It means foolish or silly behavior. In politics we just call it status quo.

anonimi:
So ThiefNuibu gave Lagosians a less qualified of two candidates, yet they are hailing him as a magician?
Are you saying that 20 million Lagosians are dumb
I can’t believe it.

Do you not understand how politics work or you're just being troublesome? If political candidates are chosen based on qualifications alone then we would only have Ph.D holders a s presidents, governors etc., Lagosians vote based on party just like majority of the country, until that changes, the APC primary winner will continue to be the chosen one. Tell me where you're from and I'll expose the same political tomfoolery

kponkedenge:
How is Hmazat more qualified than Sanwo? Explain.

And is it really true that Sanwo is going for only one term?

Educational wise, he is superior to Sanwo, a systems process engineer with a Ph.D and he was the head of I.T strategy at Oando. In politics, he is also far superior having served multiple roles and commanding the respect of one of the political heavyweight area in LAgos (Mushin). A very popular man with vision and education to back it up, Sanwo is not bad but khaki no be leather, this is why when he was chosen as deputy I knew they were setting him up for what's to come.

I don't know if Sanwo is going for reelection, we don't even know if Hamzat wants to be governor, we don't know anything......

PDP no get candidate for Lagos so the natural thing na to play spoiler. Even Sanwo knows that it was a one term deal with Hamzat slated to take over after him, Hamzat in his natural right is more qualified than Sanwo so that's a no brainer but who knows what Jagaban is planning, he might choose a Nairalander out of nowhere, the man na magician

helpee:
Typical over hyped ego of anyone that found himself in America and then assumed that is where the world ends. In America, the parents would be thoroughly investigated and likely face criminal charges. You are the one that should get over yourself. This is not your father's public page. You can't be spewing rubbish and refuse to learn and assume you can shout your way through. In my career as a cruise ship doctor, I've sailed the carribean more than 20 times with mainly American patients and they have this rigid mentality though your own is artificial and borne out of the need to show off. Most European patients on cruise ships are well mannered, appreciates you and don't believe the world ends in their backyard. The best are the Japanese. You will tell an American patient I need to disembark you at the next port for an emergent care and they will say, you can't do this to me. You are spoiling my vacation. I'm gonna sue you. A British patient will say thank you doctor, I understand..Go out and learn

Once again your utterances don't match your qualifications. You are typing like a confused person because you don't have a full grasp of the American justice system hence how can you be certain they would face criminal charges? I don't need to boast of anything because this is not even an argument, I can't keep repeating the same thing, you cannot be criminally liable for following the treatment of a government certified expert and in this case that is the physician. Whatever beef you've got with Americans na your own cup of tea, nobody gives a flying flip!

helpee:
Sane country citizen...go back and read what you just wrote and no one will tell you who the IDIOOT is ! When brainless people loses an argument, they start cursing. The parents share a significant part of the blame . Cursing people won't make you look less stuupid

Part of the blame, yes! Criminal charges.....Hell no! Too bad your opinion does not equate to legal facts, so let me be in peace......you are arguing based on some dumb shit and no matter how much you repeat the same lines, it still does not make it FACTS......Get over yourself!

helpee:
I just decided to ignore later because you appear very clueless. The topic is never about the doctor. Both the family, the govt( at least for now and the school are not blaming the doctor. The doctor's line of care is yet to come under scrutiny by any of the parties so this has nothing to do with the doctor. The doctor only came in because he testified that he treated the boy at home at first and then the family took the boy to church. You kept talking about having a home care in America and I had to give up. Home care is for stable patient or palliative care. If a doctor is treating your child at home and the baby suddenly could no longer breathe after the doctor left, does that mean you will take the baby to church and then start saying the doctor did not inform you ? What part of the word deterioration don't you understand? If I am treating you and your case deteriorated at home, you mean you will stay there and die because I didn't tell you to go to hospital? This is common sense. Even at that, the parents never said the doctor didn't advise them to take the child to the hospital. You are the one that started the assumption and you were running with it. In any sane country, the intent of taking the child to church when the case deteriorated rather than hospital is the only thing that matters. The parent knew the boy was not getting well...that was why they took him to church. They also did video that was so obvious the boy needed hospital care. You saw all these, you neglected them. The only thing that matters to you is the fact that the doctor treated him once at home. What you are saying is not practical and a normal parent can't follow that route. You said three people mentioned something....and you immediately assumed the three must be wrong while you are the only one that is right. I told you I am a doctor...you were mentioning your family so that gave you the professional qualification to say what you don't know. Read, learn..This is about the school mainly. If the doctor that saw at first confirmed his condition was not bad to warrant admission, you can't blame the school at the time they told the parent to come and take their child to hospital. The school specifically told them to go to hospital...they went for home care. The school is at least exonerated and no matter what, the parents have cases to answer. Wether the doctor is guilty of malpractice is subject to investigation of the line of care and events antecedent . Nevertheless, the doctor's culpability does not exonerate the parent's carelessness

You're an idiot! I don't know how else to put it, we are talking about the topic of this post on Nairaland you are here writing an epistle......Like I said earlier, I don't have time for your nonsense talk. You are talking about a greater debate, I am talking about response to those who claim the parents should face criminal charges, if the doctor is the expert and they listened tio the expert, how are they culpable? I keep telling you dipshits that I have no interest in the greater debate but you keep repeating the same broken tune......GTFO and let me be!

Crafteck1:
Im lost, the topic/thread is about sylvester and what makes him stand out is the allegations against the school.

No topic is about the doctor and the fact that the kid was not taken to the hospital, at least that's what I got from the opening post. I think you're focusing on the bigger thesis and for that I want no part of....lol.

I keep telling any man that cares to listen, shine your eyes before entering into any relationship or marriage, e get why! Mentality is key in everything and when the woman feels that contributing towards the financial well being of the family is a favor to you rather than the right thing then God forbid such a man should lose his job, face illness for several months or years etc, that man would quickly pray for death because such a woman if she chose to stay would frustrate the life out of the man.

Another point, no matter how much you love your wife and kids, try to have some money set aside for yourself, e get why! See in this life, many people make the mistake of not thinking about old age, some make the mistake of believing the wife is dependable or that kids would support them when old age come. The way the world is heading, you're responsible for your own damn self!

Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion but if God gave you a brain, as a man why would you choose to marry a liability than an asset? All these talks about chores and reproducing are all good and cool but what happens when the man is physically or mentally unable to earn money, will you as a woman up and leave or will poverty be your closest friend? I repeat mentality is the key to most things in life, guys DO NOT BE DECEIVED!

Crafteck1:
So he wasnt seriously sick at first,
He was treated at home
Was taken to church for prayer,
Got worse at home
BUT THE SCHOOL IS STILL THE KILLER?

You're the third person mentioning the school, what the hell is wrong with you people? Who dey follow you talk school or government? Abeg face the people wey dey argue with you on that, I no get time!

rippa:
Maybe u should go over what u initially wrote

Nah, maybe you should look at what I was responding to instead of being a bebeto!

rippa:
Poverty it's everywhere in Nigeria. We have more poor people in Lagos than Edo. Stop saying rubbish and stay on the topic. Was ambode doing better than wat sanwo olu is doin currently? Yes. So why will u remove a performing gov just for ur selfish reason. Only one man we dictate for an entire state. This same man will come tomorrow and tell u he wants to remove sanwo olu. For ur information obaseki never performed even during his first tenure. His re-election wasn't on the basis of performance, but rather a statement. We can't create another monster after Anineh. God forbid

I'm not here to argue on the jargon you wrote, my response was strictly to the person that said Yorubas are cowards, any other thing is none of my concern so spare me the B.S!

We might have more poor people in Lagos than Edo but there are also more rich folks in Lagos than Edo, so what's your point?

Antoeni:
Lagos No Be Edo Remember say Yoruba and Edo Man No get the Same Mind ,
Yoruba na Fufu,
Edo Na Pounded Yam , Hard Core
Yoruba are Cowards
Edo Man is Hardened
Lagos is Under The Grip and Bondage of One

Yet Edo people are no better than those in Lagos, hard core hard core, una still dey feel poverty, instead of celebrating mediocrity, you should sit down and stay humble

helpee:
sane country? And you don't know the parent will be in jail already. I have practicing license as a doctor in both Australia and Ireland and I can assure you, from the day that child died in Australia, child protection services would have arrested the parent and the remaining children will presently be in protective custody so I don't know which sane country you are.

I'm sorry but your professional qualifications does not match your utterances. I have 4 doctors in the family and it is funny you mentioned Australia because one of them is in Melbourne. As a doctor, you treated a patient, did not recommend hospitalization until it was too late and you believe the parents are the negligent one? Come on man, surely you see the problem here!

Even with an arrest, the case would be dismissed by any competent judge as the physician is the expert. Look man this is simple, forget the Nigerian environment for one minute, as a doctor how do you expect your patients to trust you when you believe you treating the patient is different than going to the hospital? In the USA most of us have primary care doctors, are you saying my primary care doctor does not have the same professional expertise as someone working in a hospital like Grady or Emory here in Atlanta? You're funny!

helpee:
You are the confused fellow here. They are not negligent yet they went to church rather than hospital and you are blaming the doctor. At first it was the school, then the govt bribed everyone and now it is the doctor. Show me the evidence that the pastor advised them to come to church . So they knew they could go to church for admission but they were waiting for the doctor before going to hospital and you don't think they are negligent. In a normal country, they will both be awaiting trial.
see their mate here ....
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/100296174
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-15/woman-jailed-for-endangering-daughter-toowoomba/100296174

Both the links you shared has nothing to do with this discussion since a physician/medical expert was involved. What is a physician? Is he not a doctor? By all standards, he is the expert and no law in the entire world can criminalize a parent for taking the advice of a physician. The rest of the nonsense you typed I can't be bothered with since I don't know who you are fighting with, who dey follow you drag school or government? My point still remains you cannot claim parents were negligent when they had a physician attending to their son, unlike you I do live in a sane country and no law can criminalize their actions due to the physician's own explanation, so spare me the jargon.....PEACE!

helpee:
Let me even assume you are very intelligent. Since the doctor didn't advise them to admit the patient, does that not mean at the time the doctor was seeing the patient, the patient was not clinically bad. If a doctor didn't think the condition of the child was bad even after leaving the school, why are you people jumping up and down that the school must be closed. Did the doctor also advise them to do video of the sick boy in pains? They did the video because they knew the boy was seriously sick yet they were waiting for the doctor to tell them to go to hospital. Did anyone advise them before taking the child to church too? So they were waiting for the doctor to advise them but they didn't wait for the pastor to advise them.

OR THE PASTOR CANT COME AND BE PRAYING FOR THE BOY AT HOME TOO?

So they knew the boy was sick enough to warrant admission in the church but they were waiting for doctor to advise them that the boy need admission in church.Just tell me the parents are dumb. That is what you are trying to say here.

So, if your own child is in that kind of pain, you will stay at home and be waiting for the doctor to come and advise you to stop doing video and take the child to hospital. GO AND BURN DOWN THE SCHOOL. THAT IS JUSTICE!!!! Are you now happy?

I think you're confused, when did you & I discussed closing the school or anything that has to do with the school....Please stay focused and stop rambling. My main point of contention with you is that you claim they refused the doctor's advice or that they were negligent enough to warrant arrest or prosecution.

Crafteck1:
I never said they went against a law, you cant carry a sick man to the church instead of hospital or misdiagnose and treat at home till the sickness got out of hand then come back to blame someone else

Did you even read at all? Did you read the part where he was treated by a physician? What is the job of a doctor/physician? What would they have done differently at a clinic? The doctor that should be the expert did not initially see it as something life threatening only when it got worse did he advise hospitalization but it was too late.

helpee:
You are naive. By now, the parent would have been arrested by child protection services. I can show you more than ten cases involving such negligent parents. The doctor is not a magician. You can treat malaria today and the child can have infection tommorrow. The doctor only needed to advise them and document... if the parent refused, he couldn't do anything. If he suspected the child's case was serious and the parent were negligent, he might report but in Nigeria, there is no clear cut person to report to and unlike abroad where the parent don't have to pay, the parent have to pay for medical services in Nigeria so if they Insist they don't want admission there is nothing the doctor would do because he won't use his money to be treating the patient.

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/child-neglect-when-is-it-a-crime-50439

You're quoting rubbish which has nothing to do with this case, first of all can you provide evidence that the doctor advised them and they refused? Una go just dey type nonsense all in the name of trying to sound intelligent!

Women are the funniest creatures on earth especially in this age of social media, na dem be actor, director, producer and marketer all in one. They know no court will entertain the drama hence the only option na public justice.......She no know say Nigerians don mental since 1960

Americans: Who beat you?
Precious: FFK
Americans: Cancel FFK, throw him in jail.

Nigerians: Who beat you?
Precious: FFK
Nigerians: Why e no kuku kill you?

Eketem:
Tests were done on the 27th but the doctor ignored the results and referral, I don't know why she keeps ignoring that part

The doctor ignored the results? Are you sure? If this is true then I'm even more shocked than Buhari.......

eyinjuege:
What many of you don't seem to understand is that diseases do progress.
Because the Dr saw him today doesn't mean he needed hospital admission same day.
Conditions can worsen.
The 2nd time the Dr saw him, he referred them to the hospital because his condition had obviously worsened.
What I may fault the Dr for is if he didnt tell the parents (the first time he saw Syl) what to look out for if he gets worse and to take to the hospital and perhaps also ask them to arrange a follow up if he wasn't getting better.
But then again, you don't need a Dr to tell you when your child's condition is worsening because you see it yourself.
P.S: I never said bed ridden patients.
I said house bound. There is a difference.
All bed ridden patients are housebound, but not all housebound patients are bed ridden.
Some patients are housebound because of anxiety, frailty, social issues etc but not necessarily bed ridden.
You don't have to be wealthy before you get a house call in Europe.
Majority of private physicians/Drs who do visits mostly do it only when a patient is genuinely unable to come to their clinic. Same as their public physicians counterparts.
Most patients will come to the Dr when they are ill, unless they're genuinely unable to.

Okay America is different, your money dictates what you can and cannot do, most welathy folks have family doctors and in home consults. Back to the point, a credible doctor would never go by just symptoms alone, tests would be done to rule out other factors. Even as far back as early 2000s during my university days, my doctor insisted on running tests due to frequent malaria but I guess like everything in 9ja, money does not equate to quality......It is well!

eyinjuege:
Oh please, come off it.
What emergency protocols are in place in Nigeria?
Home visits abroad are for housebound patients, usually due to chronic illnesses.
That child was assessed by a clinician, and his assessment was that of malaria. Malaria and trauma are very 2 different presentations and can't be mistaken for each other like you tried to imply . Malaria and sepsis may however present similarly.
The child didn't die the day the clinician saw him, I believe he likely worsened as the days went by. The next time they called the Dr to come, he was in a terrible state and the write up states he was referred to the hospital.
If as parent, your child's condition worsens you take them to the hospital or call an ambulance for such.
Unfortunately, the health system abroad is very different from that of Nigeria.
I don't expect a Dr to force admission on an adult patient with capacity.
However, if as a Dr abroad, a child is thought to be ill enough that you would be asked to make a house call, and the parents refuse an ambulance, I will expect you to call the police on them. I will expect you to call the safeguarding lead paediatrician in hospital who will set the ball rolling on getting that child admitted without the parent's consent.
That child will be taken into the hospital, whether the parents like it or not and they may likely not be allowed access to that child in hospital.
They may lose access to all their children actually.
Calling the police is to enforce taking the child to the hospital at that moment.
From some of the testimonies, it seems the parents don't believe in hospitals

Do you know for a fact that the parents refused? When they refused did the doctor make a report? You keep saying Nigerian system is different from abroad but continue to use abroad as your yardstick....... Firstly, you said doctor diagnosed malaria yet it wasn't critical enough to warrant hospitalization, you then want to blame the parent for not taking the kid to the hospital when the physician clearly did not see it as essential until it was too late(Professional quack)......... but seriously, you are right as a parent I would have driven upside down in traffic to get my child to the emergency room but from a legal perspective they did nothing wrong unless you can prove they refused professional advice of the physician.

P.S. The wealthy or semi wealthy often have private doctors who make house calls not just for bed ridden patients, I have two doctors in my extended family doing this for a living.

eyinjuege:
But why do you think justice isn't been served in this case?
Should innocent people be punished for a crime they didn't commit? Is that justice?
Should the other boys, the school be held accountable for what they had nothing to do with?
The whole purpose of the inquest is to put all the facts and information from different sources together and arrive at a plausible conclusion to what happened to the child.
It's not to punish anybody, but to find out the truth.
His death shouldn't have happened, but why did it happen is what this inquest will tell us.
I'm sure more information will be made public. Statements from his roommates about the alleged beating would also be looked at.



So is it the fault of the Dr now? If the child had presented with malaria symptoms he will be treated as such. If he had presented with trauma symptoms he would be treated as such too.
What magic is the Dr supposed to do for a child who should have been hospitalised in the first place?
If the law were to be followed, the child's guardians are in trouble not taking him to the hospital especially if the Dr asked them to. Infact, the Dr would have called the police on them abroad.

Can you quote the law that you speak of? A physician operates according to certain ethical codes and one of it is do no harm, what the f**k do you mean the child presented malaria symptoms? Based on what? Physician is the expert here, he should have been the one to advise hospitalization immediately. Please don't speak of abroad as if it is one magical place, I've been abroad for a decade and some years now and we have doctors making house calls all the time, it is the job of the expert to insist on emergency protocols. No law abroad would jail such a parent, I repeat no law!

Crafteck1:
The truth is rolling out slowly but not the way most people here thought it will come out and they're still finding it hard to believe, everybody just wants to school to suffer, what should happen to the parents that didn't take the kid for treatment on time should I be arrested too? what should happen to the church that acted as a hospital?

There's no law that requires mandatory hospitalization for illnesses, it is just common sense. The fact that the physician came to see the child and was treating him for Chronic Malaria? E gbami.....Malaria really? In the eyes of the law the parents have done their part by involving the physician but not all physicians are mentally okay especially in 9ja.

The News Agency of Nigeria (NAN) reports that a[b] total of 6,257 students graduated [/b]at the 30th and 31st combined convocation of the Ogun government-owned university.

How many opened professional jobs do we have in 9ja at the moment? One school, 6000 o , that's 3,000 graduates per year.....ki lo de.....The school has always been rubbish right from my set, I'm surprised they are still producing that amount of graduates with the situation in 9ja right now. 9ja which way forward?

queenblossom:
A man that tells lies cannever become a Nigerian president again. Nigeria needs an upright and truthful person as a president.

Wahlahi you go wait tire......For this 9ja abi which one?

A wise man once said, "Death got to be easy cos life is hard, it will leave you physically, mentally and emotionally scarred", this man understands this concept hence he ain't afraid of death.......Well played my nigga, well played