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bepositive11:
Men and women are different. Seeing a naked woman is enough to turn on a man. For women, they need to feel an emotional connection

All these men using passive aggressive tactics are fooling themselves. They're just killing whatever emotional connection the woman has to them

If a woman is strongly emotionally connected to you, you don't even have to do pre-intimacy. Just coming close to her will turn her on and make her wet

Kobojunkie:
[s]■ Don't assume your delusions as mine. I never said anything about "flesh" in any of what I stated. I stated clearly that the agreement was was made them one, not sex. And I went on to point out several instances in the Bible where the agreement was all it took to make that happen. [/s] Again you're arguing with yourself, main point of argumen, sex grants automatic rights to intimacy in a marriage, you disagreed and tried to use Jesus as your evidence, you've so far failed to dispute the meaning of the two shall become one flesh. Anything you say that cannot disprove the passages below is considered null and void:
Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife, and they become one flesh. (Gen. 2:24)
God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. And God blessed them and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply.” (Gen. 1:27–28)

[s]■ David erred a lot but one of his many sins wasn't that he slept with his father's wives. Absalom slept with David's wife but not once was David accused of sleeping with his father's wives. There is even a record of David eventually divorcing himself from other wives of his whom he never slept with in the same scripture. Again, the point here marriage is based on the agreement and not necessarily intercourse. [/s] The Bible did not explitcitly confirm whether he slept with them or not, going by David's record it is amazing that you chose to believe he didn't, again your believe does not necessarily equate to facts!

[s]■ The point is Joseph and Mary where declared husband and wife by God even without them having intercourse. I believe Jesus Christ was the only offspring of Mary's. [/s] You can believe anything, it does not make it factual!

■ Again, sex can happen outside of marriage, and marriage does not require intercourse as validation, meaning that sex is not a right .i.e. you are not automatically entitled to sex in marriage. Again, read up in David and his wives.

[s]I brought up the story of rape to help back up my point marriage, the union is not entered into when intercourse takes place but instead when the agreement is made. If you go back through my previous retort,you would realize that we the point I was making from its beginning.[/s]

Ikinternational:
Shove this paragraph up your yansh. Thank you

Kobojunkie:
The agreement makes them one!

I used the example of Adam and Eve, to show you this but I see that went over your head there so here goes.

[s]Again, read what God decreed in verse 24. God didn't say they only become one when they have had sex. Instead the agreement between the man and woman is what makes them one. [/s]

■Adam and Eve where one such couple.

[s]■ Another example of this is seen when Nathan , the prophet, tells David of how God gave Saul's wives to David. Ofcourse, It was, and still is, against the Old Covenant Law of Moses for David, or any man to sleep with his father's wife - Leviticus18 vs 8 & Deuteronomy 27 vs 20 - so even though the women were wived to Him by God, David could not sleep with them, yet was married to them. [/s]

[s]■ The marriage of Joseph and Mary, Parents of Jesus Christ, is another good example. Mary was to marry Joseph who then discovered she was already pregnant with Jesus Christ but they became husband and wife regardless. - Matthew 1 vs 18 - 25 [/s]
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■ Another bizarre example for this case is found in Genesis 34 vs 1 - 31 where Dinah, Jacob's daughter was raped. There was no agreement between Dinah and her rapist, Shepherd, so they were not considered husband and wife. Shechem offers to marry Dinah- Genesis 34 vs 8-12 - this after the rape, but they are not in anyway regarded as husband and wife as a result of the intercourse.

Candidlady:
but really reno made so much sense.

Kobojunkie:
[s] 1. Marriage is an agreement between a man and woman, once that agreement is made, marriage has happened and they are one. Adam and Eve didn't first copulate before their marriage happened. [/s] Adam and Eve were never married.....Another fallacy here!

2. [s]Sexual rights to what? God never decreed that men must never have sex ..He equipped even those He created Eunuchs with sex organs. And He does not rain fire and brimstone on unbelievers when they engage in sex as they chose. No, God doesn't do ghag at all so what you refer to as sexual right is a lot iffy. [/s] Keep the discussion to marriage only, in a marriage does the two become one FLESH or not? If you answer NO, then you're contradicting the word of God, if you answer YES then WTF are you arguing?

[s]When it comes to those who belong to Jesus Christ, however, one can maybe declare then that God's Law restricts sex to only those in marriage relationships but even then sex isn't stipulated or mandated[/s].

Ikinternational:
I have no clue what you're rambling on about.
You folks on nairaland love playing advisor. Even when you're clueless.
Guy I have been in US longer than your age. Schooled here. Abeg don't try to advise me on how the country works

If you're comfortable being a tribalist, just say that. No need writing meaningless paragraphs

Kobojunkie:
1. What contradiction?

2. LOL... Jesus Christ Himself said that if you use the understanding you have, more understanding will be given to you. Those who don't use the understanding they have will have even the little they have taken from them - Matthew 13 vs 10 - 17 & Mark 4 vs 21 - 24.

If you can't even take God at His own Word, are you certain it is God you believe in?

The Spirit of Truth and the Holy Spirit are only available to those who live in continual submission to and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ - John 14 vs 15 - 25 & John 16 vs 8 - 22

3. Jesus Christ warned you against the doctrines and traditions of men(including their churches) warning that they are nothing but lies, an abomination where the Truth of God is concerned - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 and Mark 7 vs 1 - 23.

4. Jesus Christ did not command men to marry. Instead Jesus Christ upheld God's Law from the beginning - Genesis 2 vs 24, Mark 10 vs 6 - 9 & Matthew 19 vs 3 - 5 - that marriage is an agreement between a man and a woman where both become one flesh, this even as He makes it clear that just as God decreed it then also, marriage is a choice and not a mandate, this by God. God Himself declared this law from the beginning.

Jesus Christ came to redeem even those who are married from the curse God placed even on marriage - Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22 - the salvation He grants is a complete package from the condemnation of Sin aka Death as decreed by God from the time of Adam and Eve.

Kobojunkie:
1. I have in no way contradicted myself here. I have simply stated what Jesus Christ Himself declared as far as His Kindom is concerned.

What Jesus Christ said is your marriages are of this world and not of His Kingdom. If you would use your head in this, you would have figured this means all relationships that come about as a result of marriage are implied... He didn't say you can then throw anything else you'll want into that statement He declared in Luke 20 vs 34 - 36 though . So again, learn to keep your delusions out of what is written.

2. Marriage is not sin and sin is not marriage. Stay focused! God defined marriage in Genesis 2 vs 24, Mark 10 vs 6 - 9 & Matthew 19 vs 3 - 5. He specified no right or laws for either the man or woman to in their marriage agreement.

3. Adultery is sin and divorce are sins and these are separately defined by Jesus Christ in Matthew 5 vs 27 - 32 and Matthew 19 vs 6 - 15. These laws guide those who make the decision to exit a marriage. Again, note there are no rights specified as far as those who sin or chose to exit a marriage.

4. Again, I suggest you pick up that book to read it for yourself so you can learn the Truth of God from the many lies you have carefully imbibed in ignorance..

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ did not come to diminish marriage, neither did He change anything of what God already declared regarding marriage this in Genesis 2 vs 24 and Matthew 19 vs 3- 5, which is that marriage is a contract between a man and a woman - no parents, or clerics stipulated - when they join/mate/consumate/cleave.

[s]2. In Luke 20 vs 34 -36 & Mark 12 vs 18 - 27, Jesus Christ taught that your marriages are of this world and not of the Kingdom of God meaning your marriage relationship starts and ends here in this world. Your relationship to your husband, your children, in-laws etc., matter only in this world - such relationships and their definition mean absolutely nothing in the Kingdom of God. [/s]

in Matthew 12 vs 48 - 50 & Luke 8 vs 19 - 21, Jesus Christ said that in the Kingdom of God, His brothers, mother and sister are those who do the Will of God. Relationships in the Kingdom of God are formed between those who do the will of God.

3. Visit point (1) above.

4. I am afraid you are the one reading your delusion into what is written there in Mark 12 vs 18 - 27. I suggest you reread that passage again to understand why Jesus Christ introduced the mention of God being God of the living and not God of the dead.

5. This confusion has all to do with you and not God or Jesus Christ at all since you are the one who misconstrue what is easily comprehended.

6. You are clearly not one who has read the Bible for yourself as even your so called interpretations are not of you but of the lies I have heard so many mogs preach from their pulpits in the name or God..

Again, Genesis 2 vs 24, Mark 10 vs 6 - 9 & Matthew 19 vs 3 - 5 , tell you exactly the same thing I have been saying which is that God of the Bible decreed that marriage is a contract between a man and a woman and is sealed when they join/cleave/mate/consumate. That details of the contract God left for them to decide for themselves. There are no additional laws placed by God on them as far as there marriage is concerned - no laws regarding children, sex, roles etc., absolutely none. [s][/s]

Those other religions may impose rules on their own ideas of marriage but where the Christian God is concerned, the terms and conditions of a marriage are left up to the man and woman to decide of their own. In most countries, it is the same.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid you are still not getting it at all. In Christianity, the opinion of a man, even Paul, can't be said to overule the declaration of the One who is Lord, Master and King over all those who belong in the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ, the Christ in the word 'Christianity'. Paul's every opinions, as expressed in his many letters mean absolutely nothing where Jesus Christ, the one who is Law is concerned.

If you had at least taken to reading the book for yourself instead of gobbling up the foolish lies told you by your Pastors and gods of men, you would have saved your self the money and time you invested to obtain nothing but hogwash from them as far as understanding of the belief is concerned.

Sexual immorality is a thing in the Old Covenant - Jewish law which was given by God to those who are of the blood of Jacob aka Jews, but not in the New Covenant, this since Jesus Christ gave to His followers, those you call Christians, a new Law complete with standards higher than those of the Old Covenant.

If you are indeed a Christian, I suggest again, you pick up that book for yourself so you can be sure where you Re headed if at all.

As for marriage granting you rights, it does absolutely no such thing... not according to God's terms. Even man's Law on marriage leaves it open to couples to decide what their roles in their marriage will be - apart from property laws and taxes, your rights in yout marriage is up to you and your wife.

Ikinternational:
This is the God honest truth.
But sentiments n tribalism won't let Africans be great

Imagine a red state like Alabama having to beg Biden not to neglect them. Are they not tax payers? Americans?

There's a reason Whites are where they are and
Africans are where they are.

*An aside, I wonder how many people know that even Caucasians used to have tribes in their culture. Long long time ago. I was watching one documentary on YouTube n was shocked. No way they'll be where they are today if they maintained that. Tribalism is poisonous.
Africans are you listening...

chinchum:
It is almost impossible to achieve steady orgasm, at least once in 3 times is an asset for a lady. Offcourse financial instability and kids will reduce the tempo, that can be rekindled with a bit of romance. No woman is the same, but the man must figure out what tickles her. The couple should work on their finances if there is financial insecurity in the home.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid you have let ordinary men like yourself decieve you with there lies. God never said it is a sin to withhold sex in marriage. If you had checked your Bible well, you would noted that regarding marriage, Jesus Christ declared clearly that you marriages are of this world and not of the Kingdom of God - Luke 20 vs 34 - 36 - meaning there are no special laws for man and woman in marriage, separate from the laws that exist between everyone else.

A man and woman that is loyal and dependable? Look, until you understand that at its very core marriage exists as a contract agreement between a man and woman, no other being involved, you will continue to let other men delude you with lies that don't even fit well with your relationship.

A man and woman are supposed to sit down as one and resolve issues between themselves in order to keep their marriage(business) going strong, not going around looking for rules that make no sense to their own situation to shackle themselves with.

Anything is permissible grounds for divorce in most countries. If you decide you don't like your wife's face and want to divorce, the law has no right to stop you so stop pretending you honor some invisible clause by staying married and so you are to be seen as a god of some sort by your partner. No, you got into marriage for you and it is either you work on it and gain wisdom or you continue back out there looking for the nonexistent relationship shangri-la

Kobojunkie:
How exactly does marriage do what you state in bold? Where is that right granted you... by law or in your mind?

chinchum:
she is not enjoying most of the sexual encounters , in short there is no orgasm for her i suspect.

You have to prioritise her enjoyment during the sex at the moment, you dont have to be rough during sex. Go slow and gently. Let her show you her pleasure points or help her discover them if she is a lady with little experience. Aim at giving her orgasm, it tampers with her psychology and need for sex. You will be surprised with her sex cravings and frequent request to have one.

bepositive11:
Drop the entitlement mentality and try to see things from her perspective

For women, sex is an emotional thing. How do you make her feel emotionally? As another comment said, try to make her feel good. Try to make her feel happy

PoliteActivist:
A somewhat educated person can't possible be this dense. After teaching you this I'm not wasting any more time with you.

1) Immigrant means someone who was BORN in another country then came to America, INCLUDING WHITES and all countries. Stop arguing nonsense.
But their children are also usually included as part of the immigrant community - this is what gives Nigerians the highest graduation rate.

2. If there were 2 Igbos in America and one of them graduates that's 50% graduation rate. If there were a million Hausas in America and 100,000 of them graduate, that is10% graduation rate. Igbos would have much higher graduation rate, though much more Hausas graduated.

3. [s]Per my bolded, the total number of graduates in America has nothing to do with the graduation rate of a group. From my above example, Igbo graduation rate will still be 50% wether there are a million or a billion graduates in America.[/s]

4. [s]Notice below, the most educated group refers to the group with highest percentage of masters and above, or professional degrees. The answer is inarguably Nigerians![/s]

Now cut it, and stop arguing nonsense

byrron:
This is an own goal.

It means you're the same as your friends by inference.

I have very responsible friends that have earned my respect and will gladly give my approval if anyone of them indicates interest in any of my sister's.

Your circle defines who you're.

PoliteActivist:
I honestly misjudged you. I thought I was debating with reasoning person. Or are you just trying to confuse ignorant people. It's hard for me to believe you don't know you are talking nonsense. So because there are more Hausa graduates in Nigeria than Ijaw graduates, that means Hausas graduate at a higher rate,?? How dumb! Liston well: T[b]HE RATE OF GRADUATION OF A GROUP HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR TOTAL NUMBER OF GRADUATES IN THE COUNYRY!!! [/b]That I have to explain this to you tells me I shouldn't be debating with you - you are simply not up to par.

As for Mexicans, more misinformation. See below then run along

Snakedoctor1:
I sense that you have limited knowledge of some of the things you argue about. I will just give you a little hint about politics and no more cos I do not have the time for back and forth. Not all monetary accruals to politicians are quantifiable in pay logs and neither are they seen in statute books but they are not illegal. That is why it remains very lucrative even in countries with the most stringent of laws.
Admittedly, the toll of corruption in Nigeria has taken our minds away from some of these facts.

PoliteActivist:
Of course, because you know you've lost the argument.

I thought I was discussing with a somewhat reasonable person. Didn't know I was dealing with a dummy. Data you presented is percentage of the TOTAL each group represents, dummy. Of course countries with more immigrants in US have more grads. The length you are going to win this argument, instead of just being honest and let the data speak. You deceptively post misleading tables and graphs hoping to fool people
THE GOOGLE INFO IS THE MOST UP TO DATE- it reflects currently available data TODAY!

[s]See the graph you deceptively posted below. It says it right there that if you isolate African immigrants (TALKLESS OF NIGERIANS!) they are more successful than Asians,[/s]

optimusprime2:
I think he means most educated "Black" Immigrants, because when it comes to the African American Demographic in the US Nigerians are heads-up the most educated.

However when it comes to the most educated Immigrant group, I will give that hands down to the Indian's... infact only them single handedly tipped over the H1b visa system.

PoliteActivist:
You are the one embarrassing yourself. Google is not a Nigerian so is not biased. Anybody reading this has access to Google. Just go and type in "Which immigrant group in usa has the highest level of education? Below is the result

PoliteActivist:
Still being economical with the truth and selectively posting. The below is pure analyzed DATA!!

PoliteActivist:
These below say you are being economical with the truth

ogwumgbe:
I maintain my stand that you people are bitter and don't know how to treat women. That's simple truth. You are all ungrateful to women that supported and saw you to stardom, FFK and Davido are pure proof, then Peter is proof that igbos once they love you, they will treat you like queen, oya bring your own proof

Snakedoctor1:
I think its your analysis that is capable of fallacies. We are not just talking of salaries but benefits in general. It is a fallacy to state that a Nigerian politician's benefit accrues from stolen funds. It is even more fallacy to state that Professors in America are as depraved as their Nigerian counterparts.
What do you tag cost of living? If you do not differentiate it from quality of living, that's another fallacy.
Mine is even a perfect logic as corroborated by many other opinions on this thread and the man directly below me: Nigerians are the most educated community in the US. US rewards education. Nigerians are very successful in the US. - Logic devoid of fallacy.

Snakedoctor1:
System rewards education. Hard work is relative.
Professor in Nigeria earns less than a thousand dollars while Illiterate politician can buy the country.