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emae009:
you said club winnings doesn't matter, goals scored do. Did you know that 2018 Modric won, Messi was the highest goal Scorer but was placed 5th on the ranking.
so using your own point Messi was actually cheated for the award.
abi do you want to rewrite your statement as you have a strong will of doing that.

PS: You still have provided the stats that make Lewandowski the deserved winner.

since you what to run on propaganda let's go there

I have no problem admitting Messi was cheated in 2018, in fact I have never supported the rationale behind modric winning, this is why I am amused when you quoted the selection criteria. Whether you like it or not bro, favoritism was played both in 2018 and this year. FiFA & Madrid used its influence in 2018 and in 2021 France's bitter history with Poland played a role. My fight is not with you, it is with you understanding that someone got robbed, whether it is 2018 or 2021, this ish don't make no damn sense!

Idiotic headline, someone just won the Ballon Dor and you're expecting people to say CR7 is the best this year? CR7 even when he has an average year is still living rent free in most of you dimwit's skull...Pathetic!

Poleski:
- Of course, the U.S. justice system isn't perfect, but at least they get it right most of the time, unlike in Nigeria, where a crooked politician could get a perpetual injunction from a court to not be investigated. Where is this done outside Nigeria? So your comparison is out of place. 




- I'm not sure you know what you're talking about. A concerned citizen does not necessarily need to be in court physically to sue a corrupt politician for the case to be established. The concerned citizen could simply send the EFCC information about whatever financial crime was committed. Then EFCC on their own will investigate to make sure the tip-off is credible before going forward with the case or not. All the cases the EFCC handles were reported by ordinary citizens.
By the way, no sane individual in Nigeria would want to expose themselves while reporting the corruption of a big fish when the EFCC is there to take up the case.




- You lost me here. When did I give you the impression that "justice doesn't matter since the elite avade it"? Please, don't misconstrue what I say, to make your point. 
You may have forgotten my point. Let me reiterate my point once again. I said the Nigerian judicial system treats the poor differently from the rich and well-connected! In other words, the judicial system does its job well when it comes to the poor!

Some people do seek justice against corrupt politicians, but not mostly in the way you expect. Some people have totally lost faith in our judicial system because criminal money-bags are rarely punished, like the poor, and in most cases, walk free! I don't understand why you argue.

We can agree to disagree.

I think you're confused becuase there is something called the right to confront your accuser in the court of law, no the accuser does not have to re[port physically but if it goes to trial they would most likely be called as a key witness, all that excuse of fear does not hold water in court. Please focus on facts only! Here's your comment:

As I stated earlier, 28 yrs., whether you agree or not, is too harsh even for a repeat offender. Nigerian judiciary jail poor people harshly, it's a fact!

In Any country, state or region justice is all about what can be proven or not! A poor man is less likely to be able to afford a good defense hence they most always get shafted. In terms of sentencing, what you call harsh, I call legal! If the person was sentenced according to the sentencing guidelines then what is the problem? Are you going to tell a judge how to do his or her job? This is why they tell judges temper justice with mercy but nobody can sue a judge for giving the maximum sentence....lol.

Looking at your first paragraph I smile, you must not know much about the world at large, go to Russia, China and even Malaysia, you would be surprised at how often rules are bent, even in the USA if an investigation/prosecution of a certain person affects national security the matter will die down mysteriosuly. Y'all really need to stop this El-Doraldo vomplex you have about the USA, it ain't what it looks like

emae009:
at this point it's a lot better if I just shake my head and move on.
See who is saying I have comprehension problem when you're actually the one with it. since you don't understand what I meant lemme break it down for you. I still doubt if you'll understand it seeing as the first one was as simple as "pick that for me".
[s]When you talked about club achievement you implied Lewandowski won the league title (Bayern has the best team in Bundesliga and a better team than Barca team that Messi dragged to 3rd position that were 3 matches away from actually winning the league). [/s]The idea of talent in the team didn't come into question when you were talking about club football.
But as soon as you switched to country, you didn't say Argentina won like you did with Bayern, instead you when on to compare Argentina with Poland.
isn't that Hypocrisy?? or do you even know what the word means?
simple thing to ask yourself, did Messi assign Poland to Lewandowski and Argentina to himself when they were born??
what about Switzerland that did well in the Euros. what about Serbia and other non-big European countries in the world Cup qualifiers?
In 2018 when Messi was placed fifth by similar judges after winning La Liga, Copa Del Rey and Spanish SuperCopa + the European Golden Boot only to be judge based on Argentina performance in the world Cup and Barca performance in the UCL. I didn't see this much talk about injustice.
Now you're talking about stats, please educate me how aside from Goals which other individual stats was Lewandowski better than Messi in 2021.
Miss me with the BS abeg.


Below is the criteria for the award since a lot of you have phone but can't use it

You know you're full of sh*t when you resort to cheap sentiments to win an argument. Club winning does not matter and I never for once emphasized on that, my emphasis was on the goals scored in each respective league. Messi's previous Ballon Dor was never about winning international trophies but about his sheer dominance in scoring goals and playmaking, I can still remmber his best season with over 90 goals. I suggest you look at the previous 10 winners of the award and do a deep analysis to see whether your points actually makes sense!

Furthermore, you can quote all the B.S. selective process all you want but we all know it's crap! One example, how did Modric win? Look at the selection criteria you displayed and tell me exactly how Modric won over the rest? You've been caught pants down and you're just scrambling to regain relevancy but it's too late....Like I said previously comprehension is your problem and perhaps a bit of arrogance, you keep exposing your ignorance and with each point I keep finding easy ways to counter your farce rhetoric.....Yeye dey smell!

emae009:
wow! must be very hard to lead a talentless Bayern Munich to their 9th lead title in a roll. When it was Bayern you didn't compare players. As e reach Argentina, na you can't compare players.
Can you see how your Hypocrisy is staring you in the face??
if this is already your mindset then whatever I come up with for Messi you'll find one excuse or the other to downplay it. So why bother.
Posterity will record 10 Ballon d'Or for Messi and he will sit on the throne of the Best to ever grace a football pitch.

Again I don't know if you're just trolling or have real problem with comprehension. How can I compare a national team with a club. Let me make it clear to you again, Argentina to Poland, Barcelona to Bayern. Argentina no be Poland's mate, so expecting Poland to do well at the Euros and expecting Argentina to do well at the Copa is what we are talking about. Nobody dey follow you drag, Messi is the greatest player ever but not in 2020 and certainly not in 2021, I am a Messi fan myself but I am not delusional, Lewa was robbed nothing more nothing else, stat wise you can't argue, head to head you can't argue hence the only argument here is winning Copa.

Hermes119:
Its interesting out pointed out that Lewy's national team is weak and used it as an excuse for his failure but why didn't you also credit his strong club side for his success,at Bayern do you know how many chances he gets in a game . You said he led Bayern to the bundesliga title,without Lewy Bayern would have still won the bundes liga,they had won it like 4 straight times before he joined so how is it that you single him out for praise for them winning this one

What was the object of comparison? Messi vs Lewa so it is only right to compare Argentina to Poland, Barcelona to Bayern and so on. If Bayern is seen as strong same can be said of Barcelona given their history and achievements. Same cannot be said of Argentina and Poland. You said Bayern would have still won the Bundesliga without him but you don't know that, the past 3 seasons have been very competitive and without his goals Bayern would have lost 2 out of the 3 titles, it's like you saying without Messi, Barcelona would still be dominant in Laliga using their previous record, afterall from 1990 to 2000 they won it 6 times, you can see that we can keep going around in circles using strawman's theory or all hullabaloo using ifs and buts, the koko be say Messi won it because his team won Copa not because of anything else which is unfortunate given that Poland is not as stacked as Argentina.

Poleski:
As I stated earlier, 28 yrs., whether you agree or not, is too harsh even for a repeat offender. Nigerian judiciary jail poor people harshly, it's a fact!

Let me give you just few examples;

Lucky Igbenedion, was a former governor of Edo state and the first Nigerian ex-governor to be convicted of looting public funds. The EFCC charged him with 142 counts of corruption amounting to $24 million (£12m) using front companies. Lucky entered a plea bargain with the commission in 2008 and refunded a fraction of the amount he was said to have embezzled – and went home.

Late Diepreye Alamieyeseigha, was an ex-governor of Bayelsa state. He was sentenced to two years in jail in 2007 on charges of corruption and money laundering. He served just days of his sentence after spending nearly two years in detention awaiting trial. Alamieyeseigha was originally arrested in London in 2005, but he skipped bail and escaped back to Nigeria dressed as a woman. He was later impeached on the charges at home and authorities made efforts to seize much of his British property. He was reported to have died of cardiac arrest at the University of Port Harcourt Teaching Hospital on the 10th of October 2015.

James Ibori, was a former governor of Delta state. He was sentenced to thirteen years in jail by a London Judge for stealing government funds in Nigeria. Ibori was sentenced for stealing at least $250 million of public funds within the period he served as governor of Delta state after pleading guilty to pleaded guilty to ten counts of money laundering and conspiracy to defraud at Southwark Crown Court, London. Ibori was released from prison in December 2016 after a court order. He served only 4 years out of the 13 years he was sentenced to. He was never jailed in Nigeria, which was unfortunate.

James Bala Ngilari. He was a governor of northeastern Adamawa state for seven months until May 2015. He was convicted of awarding a contract for the procurement of 25 vehicles at a cost of 167 million Naira ($548,891) without following due process. Ngilari was found guilty of five of the 17 charges levelled against him in September 2016 by the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) and was sentenced to 5 years with no option in fine. His conviction was shortlived because was later acquitted and freed by the Court of Appeal.

Orji Uzor Kalu, served as Abia State governor from May 29, 1999, to May 29, 2007. Kalu was convicted by the Lagos Division of the Federal High Court on Thursday, 5th of December, 2019 and sentenced to 12 years in prison for N7.65 billion fraud, among other multiple sentences ranging from 3 years to 5 years on 27 counts.

However, the Supreme Court in May 2020 nullified Kalu’s conviction on the grounds that Mohammed Idris, the trial judge, did not have jurisdiction to hear the matter since he had been elevated to the Court of Appeal.
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You see the pattern?

I'm going to do you a favor and give you a quick lesson about life! NOTHING IS FAIR! Forget Nigeria, even in the USA same judge can sentence two people who committed the same crime completely different depending on the lawyer and arguments in court. The koko here is this, was the sentence according to the sentencing guidelines? What was the minimum and maximum sentence allowed for such crime? Until you figure this out, your argument will just be based on sentiments.

Furthermore, you're comparing politicians stealing to that of a common citizen but ask yourself how many victims of these acts by politicians actually sue them in court? How exactly do you think justice works? You don't sue, you don't provide evidence yet expect politicians to magically be indicted in the court?

Finally, if we are to continue to use politicians as the standard for not seeking justice then we might as well not get outraged by anything, be it armed robbery, be it kidnapping or pedophilia. You are basically saying justice does not matter since the elites often evade it, I hate to think you would have the same mindset if it was your son, daughter, sister or another family member that got duped.

bluecircle470:
How?

By not negotiating with terrorists.....Election dey come, Sanwo dey look for who to bribe

That's life for you, sometimes just because you deserve something doesn't mean you're gonna get it, if Lewa was English and perhaps played for United or Liverpool then maybe he would have had a fighting chance but currently, Goat Messi 7th Ballon Dor sounds more interesting than boring Polish striker scoring 50 goals demolishing defenses calls himself Lewangoalski. The French mafia don't like that kind thing

emae009:
Prove how Lewandowski had a better year first. You guys always laugh for no reason when you have nothing to say

Led his team to the league title, had a better showing in the Champions League than Barcelona, outscored Messi. In 2021 so far, Lewa with over 50 goals, Messi with less than 35. So let me even indulge you and accept that goals does not matter, do you think it is fair to judge a Messi winning Copa with Argentina to that of Lewa failing in the Euros? Argentina a team of superstars to Poland where you can't even name 3 stars. Messi won, there's nothing anybody can do about it but let's not pretend the other guy was not just snubbed because it wouldn't be newsworthy and once again I laugh

emae009:
which is why they created the striker award because even the organizers are tired of every year releasing statement saying the Ballon d'Or isn't a goal scoring award. It helps but it's not the alpha and omega of the award criteria.
you have Internet use it.

Gibberish......The award has been awarded 85% of the time to goal scorers since it's inception. It's not a goal scoring award but it matters, you honestly believe Messi had a better year than Lewa? You Messi fanboys sure are cynical

esnbrutality:
So because the young man was "pictured" and exposed..it will serve as a deterrent to others abi?

I ask you a question...AMOSUN was A Governor ..he failed and now he is a Senator..and he is failing as expected, but people like you honor him constantly...why??

Shame him as you want to salivate over the boy that did yahoo...i am not supporting his actions....but the issue with the boy is trivial compared to the humongous stealing by the leaders you foolishly vote into power...so save your useless sermons

Yes there are bigger problems to worry about, yes we voted for bad people, so let us all keep shut and watch as bad things continue to happen. If bad thing happens to you or your family, let us keep shut because afterall bad things dey happen all the time, if politician stole and we no talk, make we no talk when armed robbers corner you for night. Ogbeni, why don't you post your account number and ATM pin or better yet put your life savings on the street and tell thieves that food is ready.....didirin

esnbrutality:
What about Police that kills and steals from you on a daily basis??...Its is people like you that are against the end sars report....what a country ...Just look at you claiming "Holiness"...spits!!

You obviously don't know the difference between holiness and empathy. Your fixation is on the perp rather than focusing on the victims and their suffering. You're a typical Nigerian, e no concern you unless it happens to you or someone very close to you....Yet you wonder why politicians, police and others maltreat you

Poleski:
Giving him 28 years is just too harsh, while politicians who steal billions walk free! 10 years would've been more appropriate.

Nigerian law is for the poor. The rich are above the law!

If you have a credible case with proper evidence against a politician then you can take him or her to court otherwise the law does not recognize sentiments. This case has proper evidence and the judge must sentence according to established guidelines abi you no see say na repeat offender?

esnbrutality:
The guy is a Fraudster ...and so??

Is Buhari not a Fraudster??
Is Tinubu not a Fraudster??

ALL Governors/Senators/HOR/Local Government chairmen/women/civil servants/ councilors etc are fraudsters...

Even in the "so called" legitimate "private sector" fraudsters abound...what about Bank MD's that are Fraudsters??....to people like you they arae saints abi??

I should be laughing at the "Coneheaded" fraudster..but i just pity him because he is a result of a failed system.


so stop acting all holy..because sanctimonious people like you are the real frauds!!!...Spits!!

Next time armed robbers visit you make sure to welcome them with a smile, afterall no be only them dey steal, politicians dey steal too so they are just a result of a failed system...SPITS!

Yusman316:
Some wanted a particular dude to win, so they filled the online space with someone's copa america achievement. Don't forget the people that do the voting are humans like you and I, and can be persuaded by sentiments. Romario, Rivaldo, Ronaldo Da Lima, Ronaldinho and Kaka all won ballon d'or. And one thing that was never a factor in their win was copa america. But all of a sudden copa america became the biggest prize in world football just to give someone an edge over his contemporaries. Voting didn't end until October, which meant those that voted didn't put Lewandowski's performance from the start of the season to October into consideration. Meaning they already made up their minds regardless of what anyone else did, hence the sentiment part of the whole thing

Exactly plus I think there's a bias against Bundesliga even France's own Ribery was robbed in a season where he should have won hands down.

OfficialAPCNig:
Please Ballon D'or is based mostly on international trophies, that's why Donna won the keepers trophy.

They consider only club achievement if its not a major international tour amentt year.

France Football has said it repeatedly that ther award is not for scoring goals and again the award is based on a season not full calendar year like FIFA The Best.

So Lewan goals this season and Mendy's saves don't count. They will only count for next year.

All these information are online but CR-turned Lewan fans will just ignore them.

The person that is robbed is J5 who should have came second behind MESSI

You just shot yourself in the foot, which international trophy did Messi win for his previous Ballon D'or? If truly goals did not matter and club achievements does not either, messi should only have 1 award and CR7 one also. Una go just dey type rubbish all in the name of commenting

paulolee:
ur opinion bro...same way they are millions of opinions scatterd online why messi should win it
Lewa had a crazy 2020 season n deserve to win d ballon bt it was canceled, dis last 2021 season, his form dropped, he went Injured, PSG dumped DM out of UCL n his poland did nothing in Euros, he would av had a case assuming he won euros n messi won copa
cr7 dnt deserve to b placed ahead of kdb dt won 2 titles, best player in EPL n still dumped cr7 Portugal out of euros...how u c am?

Just listen to yourself, comparing Poland to Argentina? Let's see can you name 3 superstars on the Polish team? You said Lewa's form dropped in 2021 but he went to Camp Nou and destroyed Barca, he still leads the Bundesliga with 14 goals so far, so I can't imagine you thinking the Copa with a strong Argentinian team is all that matters. Make una try to hide una bias a little bit when analyzing things na, guy was robbed twice and even tho Messi is the greatest football player ever, he simply did not deserve the award this year!

uniqueboi1:
Na you rob am?
Stop crying naw, oya take..

CR7 dey live in your head rent free, abi wetin concern am with this matter....Ode

F*CKIN DISGRACE! Lewa robbed last year, robbed this year again...smh!

namss:
ITS WELL... NOW RUN ALONG..

It's(it is)

GrammarNazi1:
The award is only for 2021.

Yes but seeing as we didn't have one for 2020, consideration should be put in place. Even with 2021 alone, Lewa still outshone Messi, abi we are forgetting that he went to Camp Nou and destroyed Barca.

namss:
JORGINHO ONLY GETS MENTION BECAUSE HE BELONGS TO TEAMS THAT WON TITLES EURO AND CHAMPIONS LEAGUE. HE IS NOT EVEN THE BEST PLAYER IN ANY OF THE TEAM OR TORNAMENT. I WONDER HOW WE GET SO SENTIMENTAL TOWARDS THIS ESPECIALLY AS THE AWARD IS AN INDIVIDUAL AWARD. HE IS NOT THE BEST PLAYER IN EPL, NOT AMONG TOP ASSIST, NOT AMONG TOP GOAL SCORERS, HOW MANY TIMES WAS HE PLAYER OF THE MONTH? INDIVIDUALLY HE SHOULDNT EVEN BE AHEAD OF SALAH OR KDB TALK MORE OF MBAPE OR BENZEMA.

AS FOR LEWADOWSKI (WHO IS THE ONLY TRUE CONTENDER HERE), HE IS THE TOP GOAL SCORER IN HIS LEAGUE (SAME AS MESSI. HE IS THE BEST PLAYER IN HIS LEAGUE (SAME AS MESSI) HE WON THE GERMAN LEAGUE (NO LEAGUE FOR MESSI) AND SUPER CUP (EQUIVALENT TO MESSI'S COPA DEL REY). [s]HE DIDNT WIN THE EUROS (MESSI WON COPA AMERICA), HE WASNT THE TOP SCORER (MESSI WAS), HE WASNT THE TOP ASSIST (MESSI WAS), HE WASNT THE PLAYER OF THE TOURNAMENT (MESSI WAS).. NOW LOOK AT THESE CRITICALLY, TAKE AWAY YOUR SENTIMENTS AND ASK YOURSELF, IF IT WERE ANY OTHER PLAYER APART FROM MESSI WITH THESE INDIVIDUAL STATS, WOUKLD THERE HAVE BEEN ANY DEBATE?[/s]

A PLAYER THAT GIVES THIS MUCH PLAY MAKING, ASSISTS, SCORES SPECTACULAR FREEKICKS AND YET SO MANY GOALS FROM A MIDFIELD ROLE. HE IS ALWAYS MENTIONS AS A TOP CONTENDER IN ALL ASPECT OF THE GAME - TOP SCORER, TOP ASSIST, MOST FREE KICKS, MOST DRIBBLES, MOST MAN OF THE MATCH, ETC

STILL I SAY MESSI IS THE PROBLEM OF MESSI... HIS PREVIOUS OVER ACHIEVEMENTS WILL ALWAYS BE USED TO JUDGE HIM

Stop typing in caps, it makes you look like a parrot! I seriously hope you are not comparing Poland to Argentina., that would be like comparing Lesotho to Egypt. If Messi played for Bolivia then your analysis would be more comparable but seeing as Poland is not even top 15 team in Europe, I don't think it makes sense at all.

Take your own advice and leave sentiments aside, this award is actually for the past 2 years and in all the known universes, there's just no way you can put Messi above Lewa, apart from stats when they faced each other, Messi was nowhere to be found while Lewa did what Lewa does. Again if you're leaving sentiments aside and just speaking based on efficiency, we should all be outraged if Lewa does not win it!

Cantonese:
Olodo.

You do not need to be rude or show any form of mannerless behavior, in simple discussions like this. You have been quite insolent and crudely arrogant from the very first moment that you responded to my comment.

If not for your mental myopia and inability to read properly, you would not have misunderstood me from the very beginning. In no way did I belittle Mourinho or project Arsene Wenger as the greatest. I have always maintained that the measure of success should not be by the trophies accumulated only but also by the overall contribution to the development and success to the game. Get that into that your okada helmet covered head.

“Fascination with bet9ja”. No. Your blind arguments without doubts are the characteristics of typical bet9ja players and reveal you as one.

Now you can clearly see that you're projecting your life insecurities towards others.....STOP IT & GTFO

Clearly you have selective amnesia, here's an extract of yone of your replies:

Mourinho won several championships truthfully. But ask yourself what value he has so far added to football, except for introducing the boring defensive pattern of soccer that finally became his nemesis. Infact at certain times his players revolted against him. He once admitted that he was considering changing his pattern to a more attacking one. Is he not the one who removed our famous Mikel from an attacking midfield role to a defensive midfield role? Since he did that, did you closely take a look at Mikel’s career.

If this is not belittling then I have a virgin great grandmother to sell you, the problem with people like you is you're of low IQ but high EQ, you believe anyone you argue with online is your mate and when you can't defeat them intellectually you default to sentiments and character assassination. Now when the heat was reversed, you start whining and crying like a little biatch.....It's okay dude, it ain't worth it, accept your L in peace and give it a rest, abi you too na specialist in failure?

Cantonese:
Atlanta ko, Atlantic ocean ni.
How your unnecessary beer parlour and Baba Ijebu arguments make you feel cool is very mind boggling.
When has defence not been part of the game? I see clearly that you do not read before responding.
My point remains that Wenger brought changes to football. I hope you do not wear helmets on your head that prevent you from grasping things?
Thank you for closing the argument from your side anyway.
Hopefully you get a small win with bet9ja this weekend for some drink.

No that's not your point, your point is that due to the changes he brought, he is automatically greater than a coach that was much more successful than him, stop playing games nigga. If you're arguing know your boundaries and stop formulating sh*t! Your fascination with bet9ja shows that you're projecting your life insecurities towards others.....STOP IT & GTFO!

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That’s when she suddenly "burst into heaven".

She recalled: "It was like swimming in love. Everything you can think of that’s wonderful times a million.

The drugs that they use to stabilize you during coma is very powerful, more powerful than Novacaine and other opiods

In this life never put all your eggs in one basket, love your wife love your children but never ever fail to prepare for the unthinkable! realize first that you are human and that you have your own needs, learn from the story of others and do the right thing. If God blessed you with money, don't be mumu, DIVERSIFY! Nothing stopping you from having bank accounts in the Caymans, nothing stops you from owning properties in Ghana, Bahamas, Aruba etc, have properties in places that nobody even suspects, it's even easier nowadays with Bitcoins. Most women wey dey do gra gra, no sabi am, the court can only take away your physical assets that they know, Bitcoin is forever secured and annonymous.

Finally, human beings have proven themselves to be very unreliable, our history is one of betrayal and wickedness hence trust but verify! Love is no longer enough for most marriages to survive nowadays, fear of God is not enough either because given the opportunity and the right motive, your own flesh and blood will betray you for some moolah hence JI MA SUN!

One thing they all learn upon arriving in the PL is that it will humble you. Be you gengen, be you Thor, when teams like Watford and Burnley manhandle you out of nowhere, na then you go realize say khaki no be leather......I just pray that initial gra gra syndrome does not manifest again, we all know how Ole was hailed when he started putting up good results only to end up being carried out of Manchester on a stretcher

Cantonese:
See your life there? Bet9ja spirit has completely possessed you as I see. “How many times has Brazil won the World Cup since 2000”? In all who leads in terms of World Cup collections? By the way how many times has Portugal won the World Cup? Are you conversant with football at all? I tire for you. Even Mourinho insisted that Wenger should be respected for his contributions to football, irrespective of their battles.

“......that one na coach”? Yet FIFA has him in charge of global football development. If he holds such a position where even Mourinho and other big coaches would benefit from his opinion, what else?
If football is all about winning, why do bet9ja fans like you smile to the bank when certain teams lose?

“You keep mixing up enjoyable with successful”. No. What I have repeatedly brought to the front burner is the fact that success should not only be equated with winning trophies. How much has a coach contributed to the development of the game in all facets?

Wenger is not a “cut and nail coach”. He identifies players, gives them opportunities to develop and they become great. Mourinho waits for money to buy the most expensive players, teach them how to ONLY defend, win cups by fluke and fans like you shout his praise. That’s the same job Zidane has done with Real Madrid. It’s very easy. Even you can assemble the greatest players around and they can win cups. That aside what else can you say is his contribution? NOTHING!

You're not making sense! How many times has Brazil won the world cup since 2000? You failed to answer the question but kept deflecting, your usage of Portugal as an example shows you're clueless since you're using another attacking team to compare an attacking team. My point remains football as a whole has evolved beyond just attacking, complex defensive systems are now in place as evidenced by Italy, Greece and Germany. Even France had to deploy a two man brick wall of defensive midfielder in order to win the world cup, if football was all about attacking, Brazil should have had no problem dominating.

Your laughable rhetoric that somehow getting a job at FIFA makes you the greatest coach is comedy, your Bet9ja reference is also idiotic since I can't find any Bet9ja here in Atlanta. Guy I'm done arguing with you, I would rather waste my time and energy going on Foxnews and arguing with those racist idiots

Cantonese:
My points are not sentimental in anyway, except to choose on your own to look at it that way. Wenger’s achievements are not hidden and you can check whenever you want.

“football has evolved beyond just attacking”. NO! Football went beyond just defending long ago, the English just played defensively until Wenger arrived and changed it all. Do not forget “Samba” in Brazil is which made the game so beautiful and enjoyable.
I have not dragged Mourinho down, but simply opened your eyes to the reality of the great gap between the two men, irrespective of Mourinho’s cup successes.

Mourinho made sure Ferguson was not completely dominant for two decades? No. Mourinho only brought his “park the bus” style of play to remove the beauty in the game and many matches were very boring and frustrating.

Again gibberish......Data simply does not support your sentiments, if you're not winning trophies you're not doing anything as a coach, go and ask Pochettino! How many times has Brazil won the world cup since 2000? If defensive football is not crucial then shouldn't the attacking teams be dominant? All the Samba could not help them to outshine the German and Italian machines. Like I said you've made no factual statement just sentiments because you like attacking free flowing football. You keep mixing up enjoyable with successful. You can play all the tiki taka you want but if you're not winning trophies then you're just entertainment. Gap between Wenger and Mourinho?.....Joker, irrespective of cup success? A coach that can't win trophies that one na coach? Siuuuuu