₦airaland Forum

quentin06:
That my be true, but there are things like racial discrimination which is high over there especially to Africans, doesn't matter the certificate you acquire, not too long ago a Nigerian football star was shot at his home in UK, the matter swept under the carpet because he was black.
There is high crime there too , burglary, rapes, kidnapping, just because these things are whitewashed by their media doesn't mean they don't happen.
A prison is a prison no matter how well decorated it is.

I d rather enjoy my 50m here in Nigeria where I have more control over how I spend it here than in UK, taxes are crazy over there.

This is nothing but strawman's argument, you highlighted racial discrimination in the UK but don't we see other forms of discrimination here in 9ja, religious discrimination, ethnic discrimination and so on, you are just as likely to be racially discriminated against in the UK compared to being discriminated in 9ja based on your religion or ethnic background. Your other point about taxes is funny as well, you prefer not to spend on taxes and rather use that money to provide electricity, healthcare, security etc for yourself. In the end the little money you think you're saving on taxes is wiped off by one or two security or health incidents.....Funny people

TeraHawks:
The original post was a comparison between someone earning $100k and the equivalent N50m annually. It was not about the ratio of people within the income bracket. My assertions has been in line with this comparison and I went further to compare with $65k which is the estimated average income in the US.

[b]Again, I make bold to say, all the things you enjoy in the US are available in Naija if you can afford it. [/b]Constant power, good healthcare etc. And like I pointed out as well, they are from private service providers not PUBLIC. The bane of existence in a 3rd world developing nation is lack of PUBLIC infrastructure. Who said there are no ambulances in Naija? hell, there are even helicopter evacuation services!!

The biggest mistake Nigeria has made so far is BUHARI. I know the shock as the value of the Naira continues to plunge whenever one travels out. Before then, I know countless professionals who returned to jobs here because the exchange rate was not this bad and so the allure of the Dollar was less. The fortunate ones had their contracts in FOREX so they are still balling. Till today, there's no professional I know that wont prefer to earn in Dollars whilst living/working in Nigeria. Simple reason is, YOU CAN SAVE MORE and DO MORE cos the cost of living is way way less here. In terms of standard of living, yes there is a gap between the abroad and here but with money, you can close the gap a little bit.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

We are not comparing apple to apple; we are only speaking within the context of the original post.

And, the discussion is not about how much you earn or I earn. I believe though that by now you would have guessed I have lived there, luckily I still had the means to move back to Naija without losing much.

That's why I keep saying to people - because I know well-off folks who jumped to relocate and are regretting it today - to always think well well. As a matter of fact, I recommend abroad if you are Single and under 30. If not, you must have an in-demand professional background as the brand-drain from Naija is still very much operational.

It shall be well with Nigeria again. We shall see the demise of the troublers of the country; and we shall occupy our rightful place in the comity of nations...one day.

I get what you're trying to say but you're still missing the point. For all that you said, can you tell me how long it take the police to show up during a robbery? Do they even show up at all? Helicopter evacuation service? LMAO......Imagine falling and breaking your spinal cord with brain trauma, how long does it take for ambulance to show up not to talk of being evacuated by helicopter? Trying to travel by road from Lagos to Kano are you guaranteed decent road with no harrassment from police, kidnappers etc? Can your kids go to any university in the country and not fear being kidnapped? Can you build a house in Northern Nigeria, relocate your family and proudly stand tall during religious clashes? is your life worth more than that of a cow?

Okay let's not focus on public service what about health insurance or life insurance, what laws or body regulates them? What about business intellectual property and copyright? Private hospitals and treatments? What's the success rate of brain or heart surgery in Nigeria? How come when someone is shot, even the private hospitals refuse treatment till a police report is given? This goes to show you that private service is useless if public service/government is inept.

Lastly, this is not just about Buhari or financial analysis, it is about the sanctity of life and the outright abysmal level of service in Nigeria since 1999. You might know many professionals that would gladly relocate to Nigeria and still be earning in dollars but that figure dwarfs in comparison to those who will never relocate no matter what due to the factors I mentioned above, it dwarfs in comparison to those who would never invest in 9ja again after watching their investments lose 30-80% of its value in just a few years. I love that you always put the caveat, "WITH MONEY" but there are numerous evidence which confirms that even with your money in Nigeria, your life is not safer than that of a cow in Nigeria. Sorry I cannot defend the indefensible!

[quote author=uunwanaobong3 post=103680330][/quote]Like I said seek wisdom! Many blacks are wealthy and distinguished members of society yet still feel the hurt and the void of not having history not knowing their roots, if you cannot empathize with this instead of reaasoning like a robot then shalom....Enough of this tomfoolery!

planetx:
Coltan and Cobalt.

Cobalt is also found in Australia and Russia hence is not only native to Africa, Coltan on the other hand is used in capacitors and majorly found in the DRC but is also found in Australia, Brazil and several other countries, up until 2006 those countries had more Coltan than DRC but because of environmentalist and the clean energy campaign it has been banned in those countries. This is why I kept asking the guy, which metal? Because when push comes to shove, if Africa does not produce Coltan, these countries will abandon their propaganda and start mining Coltan again. So the statement without Africa, computers can't be built is nothing but laughable rhetoric

uunwanaobong3:
Brother, if i may asked WHAT IS RACISM? "it is a discrimination of one race by another".
According to that definition, most of this racism we claim to fight are nothing but a mere personal insults.
U claim blacks have over 100yrs of slave history! But do u know slavery didnt start with the blacks? Isreal, creek, babylon etc all have history of brutal long slavery and yet they are not stigmatize to it like the blacks, they simply move on. " SLAVERY AND RACISM IS NOT SYNONYMUOS WITH THE BLACKS as liberal left wil love to paint it".
As for the jewish holocust, do u know the small population of jews at the time and yet they were racially killed in million inorder to exterminate their race & yet u play it down. How many africans were killed during slavery? Is it up to 500000?
And who pay the jews restitution for their suffering.
WE BLACKS COMPLAIN ALOT.

Do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you just make shit up with no factual evidence? The transatlantic slave route alone saw over a million african slaves die https://www.statista.com/statistics/1143458/annual-share-slaves-deaths-during-middle-passage/. Not to talk of the ones that actually made it and died due to disease, torture and malnutrition. You're still missing the point and quite frankly it is sad that you speak so boldly and yet know nothing! Isrealites, Greeks etc all went through slavery but majority of them could still trace their way back home, they did not lose their identity, if you don't know the significance of not knowing where you come from or not being able to trace your roots then I'm sorry you don't know anything and nothing I say will make a difference.

Furthermore do you understand the trauma of having to compete in the modern era with the offsprings of slave owners and being told you have the same opportunities as them? Do you know why it is so hard for blacks in America to rise to the same social or wealth status as their white peers? We hear stories of Great grandfathers and grandfathers of white American families leaving behind inheritance, land etc, but what did great grandfathers and grandgfathers of American blacks leave aside from freedom? No matter how you try to discredit their sufferings, fact remains that blacks especially those of slave origins are damaged psychologically, emotionally and some physically and it is not our place to tell them how to deal with their grief or loss, if you can't show empathy then shut the hell up!

uunwanaobong3:
That means had it been that blacks were the jews that were racially abused and racially killed in millions in nazi germany, that mean the world would have been burnt down by now & yet [b]the jews are the most peaceful people in the world [/b]despite growing anti-semetism in US & europe.
We shud learn to tolerate other peoples views

Hahahaha....Truly you don't know what's going on and if you did you would not make such a ridiculous statement, I beg you to read about Jewish domination and how they control way more than you see, even in America the group with the most influence and resources are the Jews, go and read about Rothschild, Soros or even the one you can associate easily, Zuckerberg(Facebook) or Bezos(Amazon). You are comparing their sufferings to that blacks but you did not realize the differences, one group was persecuted for about 5-7 years, the other went through hell for over 100 years. One group was given compensation after the trauma and the other fell right into chaos with Jim Crow laws and further systematic racism. One group could still trace back their ancestry and culture, the other cannot. You do not understand the damages caused hence your reasonign is at the surface level, dig deeper and enlighten yourself, there's so much to learn!

YungMillionaire:
You are lazy. Go and do your homework then come back and humble yourself before me.

ODE....na you wan teach me about my field...Joker

uunwanaobong3:
My guy, do u know that asians are racially abused more than blacks? But why is the black own causing more fuss than the asains! BECAUSE IT FIT INTO THE LIBERAL LEFT NARATIVES.
"Until u see yourself as an equal being, nobody will ever take u as being equal".
Let chinese be ur role model

You're not making any sense, where did you pull that stat from? perhaps you don't know what racially abused means? You people love making up stats with no supporting evidence, majority of Asians don't leave their country, Asians are more than 3 Billion globally and majority of them will never encounter racism in their lifetime, this is not to be confused with people making fun of your accent or the way you dress, it just means they are less likely to be denied job opportunities, representation, social status etc than blacks.

The difference with blacks is that even when when you speak and act like the whites, you are still judged based on your skin color than any other factor, this is what racism means, not tribalism, not bigotrty but plain unfiltered hate based on skin color. Blacks were forcefully taken from their homeland, coupled with systematic displacements and oppressions and what we have now is disparity. One group of blacks represents Africa in its pure form while another group are so lost that they cannot even trace their family tree, imagine millions not knowing they come from Ghana or Nigeria and even when they are confronted with facts still deny it becuase they have nothing in common with Ghanaians or Nigerians. It's deeper than just shouting Liberals or Conservatives!

YungMillionaire:
Go and check to see if a computer can be made without metals from Africa.

Can you name the metal? Because there's nothing more important than silicon and semiconductors when it comes to computers. All computers are made up of a processor (CPU), memory, and input/output devices. These components are primarily silicon, plastic and copper, so which ones are you talking about....lol

uunwanaobong3:
My guy u are right ooo, even me i am scare of this kind over protection of blacks as if we are vulnorable babies.
Why is it that to called european WHITE MAN is not consider a racist... But to call an african A BLACK MAN IS considered racist?

If we don't like the name blackman, then we should also come together & suggest to white men what they should called us, because they are running out of names

Nobody calls anyone racist for calling a black man a black man, rather you get called out for disrespecting people based on their color. You don't go into the office and start shouting WHITE MAN I am talking to you, similarly you don't say BLACK MAN how are you! People have names, titles etc but when you want to disrespect somebody you ignore that. Unfortunately this is more common for whites especially given their history of calling blacks, Nigger, boy, etc. In Nigeria we bend over backwards for the whites but let me tell you when you go deep into the Southern U.S states, no matter how much money you have, you'll still hear one white man call you, BOY

YungMillionaire:
Go and check. Then come back and humble yourself.

The most important components of a computer is silicon and semiconductors both of which are abundantly more in China and Russia than anywhere in the world.

TeraHawks:
Bottomline is healthcare is a lot more expensive in the US; oya compare $300 with 20k na. Even ambulance does not arrive in seconds as they show in the movies Then you have to pay good money for the service. I never said healthcare was better, I only said it is good when you have money in Naija. The healthcare in the abroad is so fantastic yet people die.
I also never said there are more HNI's in Nigeria compared to the US so no need to compare absolute numbers of folks in that income bracket.
Question you need to answer is why we have folks returning to jobs in Nigeria from US. I know many.
The main issue with Nigeria is the typical third world economy issue of inadequate PUBLIC infrastructure. Note I said PUBLIC. Aside roads, most other infra can be provided privately at good quality but at high cost (though still cheaper compared to US).

My previous comments were wrt savings between a $65k 4-person family in a good neighborhood in US compared to a parallel N32m earner in Nigeria. This is because the cost of living here is much less. That's why our brothers are dying to go and earn dollars and come and spend it here cos what you can acquire here is a lot more (Price Purchase Parity).

Abroad is sweet o, but it's not the heaven a lot of folks make it out to be.

My point still remains, you're comparing apples with oranges which is not logical. What percentage of Nigerian salary earners earn 32 million or above yearly? This will give you the percentage of workforce and hence you can make a more logical comparative analysis. You can't just say 65K dollars for a family of 4 represents the average salary in the USA and that it is comparable to someone earning 32 million in Nigeria, it does not make any sense, majority of Nigerian salary earners make less than 300k a month, this is 3.6 million a year.

I have yet to see many families of 4 making 65k in a good neighborhood in the USA, many of the families you've described earn closer to 120k or more per year since majority of the time both the mom and dad are working class. For example when I was still an entry level professional, I earned 68k per year not including bonuses, compared to now that I earn basically 3 times what I was making then, this alone puts me way above the 65k projection you used to descirbe a family of 4 in a good neighborhood but guess what, I'm not even in the top 30% of earners in the USA. This is why I said you can't just compare without digging deeper.

Yes it is sweeter to spend money in 9ja and you can get many things accomplished but i still maintain the standard and quality of life cannot be compared. If with all my money I am still waiting hours upon hours for emergency services to show up or not at all, if all my money cannot get me a secured home without having to surround myself with body guards as if I'm at war then what exactly am I doing? Abroad works because the system works, it is more expensive but also has more quality. Death can never be comapred with sleep. Yes our brothers make money abroad to come and show off in 9ja but at the end of the day majority will still head back abroad becuase even with the money and the show off, many quickly realize spending without calculation is a futile effort!

TeraHawks:
I get your point but you need to understand that N32m is the equivalent of $65k which means the US guy earns $5.4k monthly whilst his Naija counterpart is pulling N2.7m monthly.

So in essence, whilst the Naija guy is saving N1.5m monthly the US guy can barely save if he is going to live in similar housing in a reasonable area.

A lot of folks today save their kids uni tuition well ahead in foreign currency. In a month, the Naija guy saves about $3K for school fees, vacation etc. In terms of Tesla or acquiring stuff, the only advantage the US guy has is the credit economy/credit score they enjoy there. But the Naija guy can plan and get his own outright over time. These days, Naija guys play the stock market in the US sef. Healthcare is good in Naija when you have money o; don't let nobody fool you. Plus its way cheaper as well. With 20k you can remove your tooth in Naija compared to thousands in US.

Abroad sweet no doubt, but if you are doing well over here in Naija, then relocating to the abroad is not for you; just go there and enjoy your money.

Selah

Average tooth removal in the USA is less than $300 without complications and if you have insurance you won't even pay $100. You mentioned healthcare is better, how long does it take for the ambulance to show up during an emergency? Are victims being treated immediately if they got shot or stabbed? The danger of comparing currencies is that we don't factor in economic realities. For a person in 9ja to earn 50 million annually, he or she must be in the top 5-7% of the Nigerian workforce this is not the same for the USA, in yankee that is the top 35-40% of the workforce. If we truly wanted to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges, we should compare income brackets, can a top 7% earner in the USA live as comfortably as a top 7% earner in Nigeria? This will make a better and more realistic argument.

quentin06:
Nothing is worse than poverty of the mind, is the man earning 50m here not leaving better than the one in UK?

How many people own duplexes and mansions in UK? Only the super rich, but her in naija 50m will build a mansion, one can live well , drive an suv and not all those mini compacts that average UK citizens push around. and that is a fact.

Can you call police during an home invasion or emergency and they show up within 5 minutes? Can you call during an accident and have ambulances and helicopter show up within 10 minutes to save your life? Can you travel at night to any part of the country and not fear the death trap that we call roads? Can your kids go to school peacefully without worrying about kidnappers? Is your salary guaranteed to be paid without delay ever? Will your pension be paid once you retire?

A robbery victim was sshot and taken to the hospital, instead of them to start treatment they required a police report even tho the victim's father had millions to put down.....This is what you call living well?

So fun won ko ma ta si mi, cos I be actor for this action film

She just successfully implicated herself more, she came back found the dead body and instead of doing the normal thing like screaming for help or running away, she camly gathered his card, statement, phone and calmly withdrew money from his account. This is not the behavior of a normal person but a COLD & EVIL predator. You found someone that you've been intimate with ina pool of blood and the next thing for your mind na to cash out.... Na firing squad go settle your matter!

hammerDK:
MUSLIMS SOMETIMES ARE BRILLIANT.


THEY HAVE SPENT ALL THE MONEY TRYING TO SAVE HIS LIFE IN AMERICA.




NO MONEY TO FLY HIM BACK AND NO TIME TO ARRANGE CROWD OR MORTUARY EXPENSE.



SIMPLY LOWER HIM DOWN TO THE EARTH, TO ROTTEN AWAY.




IT IS OVER...RIP

It's got nothing to do with money, it costs less than 10,000 dollars, which is peanuts. As a Muslim, you are either buried that day or the next. By the time they get approval to fly the body back home especially during this covid crisis, nothing less than 2 weeks would have passed.

We all know Tinubu is a bad candidate but guess what the alternative is? ANOTHER F*CKING NORTHERNER! It looks like there's no hope for this country, either enjoy chop and let chop under Tinubu or enjoy no food at all under the Northern caliphate.....The smart ones don relocate, na mumu remain for 9ja....WAKE UP!

Lionessza6:
That's a difficult one ,I've seen some myself calling others warning them bad belle people or something like that . But I thought since you guys migrate a lot ,you'd have TV shows on your national TV stations that enlighten people about what to expect when they travel .....sigh!

Lol there are TV shows but the problem with our people has always been interest. We don't really seek knowledge unless it is entertaining, most of us don't watch science channels or even PBS.

Lionessza6:
Lol,I get it now. But how come those who travel out don't expose those left behind on some of the realities of the countries they migrate to . Atleast ,there'd be less of this " if whites were around us,then all would be well" nonsense.

Over the last 10 years we've seen some educating, especially here on Nairaland but you know my people are very stubborn, dem want to see it with their koro koro eyes

Lionessza6:
LMFAO,what is up with many Nigerians on this forum and their anti- black obsession ? . Why is there so much white worship ,its like there's an indoctrination camp over there that specialises on creating
Negro-peans . Very weird and scary how they view themselves.

It's called selective conditioning, we all know Nigeria is deeply messed up so seeing these whites from afar or placing them on a high pedestal seems to bring comfort to many Nigerians. The few that are privileged to travel and witness the true state of things end up appreciating their homeland more and see that majority of the whites are just as f*cked up as our black brothers and sisters.

patani:
Well, truth is always bitter....whites are also stupid but compare the percentage to blacks...

I don't butlick... As a matter of fact white are too stupid for my liking but why. Mmu guys av always hated truth that's why u all hated N Mandela because he was factual about the future of the country.. Like I said... Na u know it's ur country... Do it the way u like... When I'm done here I pack my bag

So now whites are too stupid for your liking and blacks are stupid too, then what are you? Albino or Alien? Comedian

Typical Nigerian politicians, they don't even bother to read the Constitution, a country of illegality founded on illegal declarations by an illegal dictator, now governed by legally certified idiots!

patani:
I think Zuma did all his corruption charade in the open...I am a Nigerian and I stay in SA...Black nation most especially Zulu will eventually finish that country if care is not taken.....I pity Zuma yes but jailing him is the right step in the right direction for that country....

On Racial tension...that issue will forever be in SA....Whites are not ready to make black equal to them, while blacks are also misbehaving every opportunity given. This has further validated some white supremacist believe that blacks are stupid....Even in offices, the way black SAns work is slow and quality of work deliver are shabies...although i have seen exceptional black SAns but very few...

Sounds like you're not being objective or ass licking the whites, are you saying whites don't do stupid things as well? I've been to SA many times, for every vice or bad habit that you can list of a black person, the whites have it and more, not only in SA but in Europe and America as well. Skin color has and will never be a major factor in behaviorial compliance or non compliance, let's separate opinions from facts please!

My lord, temper justice with mercy! Wetin remain, why you no kuku kill am?

The biggest point here is that the same people criticizing him for his arrogance would lick the ass of Beyonce or Lil Wayne even tho they display the same attitude. Bunch of hypocrites!

No matter which course you chose, always look around your neighborhood, your relatives, the school's past two or three graduating class. How many of them have found a good job? How many settled for a low/average job and how many are still unemployed? This will help you to know the war ahead and make better decisions, as someone once told me, higher education in Nigeria is a scam but not all scams are created equal .

“Kingsley's relatives have offered the survivor's guardian N150,000 to withdraw the matter

Those relatives need to be arrested as well, clearly they've been doing this for a long time.

AmuRubber:
If I be pastor & dis man join my church, I don hammer be dat.

Tithe From Jeff Bezos:
10% of $211bn = $21.1bn (My New Net Worth)



Sweet vanity

My nigga.....chop knuckle

saphiere:
As long as a woman is not given the opportunity to govern this nation, there would be no peace. You can't do same thing and expect different result.

Those men ruling the country no get wives? How come they can't be vocal about their husbands' attrocities? Let me guess, cat got their tongue? . Peace kor Patience ni......Women no dey Senate or House of Rep.? Them no dey State Assemblies or judiciary? No be one of una dey distribute covid palliative for her birthday? Peace indeed

I don't really lIKe the guy but he just gave Madu a one two combo knockout, it's hard to argue against his supporting facts hence Kelechi Madu, your case is dismissed......COURT!

I have said it once and I'll say it again.....E NO GO BETTER FOR LUGARD AND HIS WIFE.....Haa....You wan protect donkeys but no fit protect human life?