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Henry240:
"Can this thread get anymore hilarious ?".

I touched a nerve by equating Russian equipment to poor-man's military.

Don't worry, you can continue buying your Russian and Chinese things because they suit your budget. We're not there.

Henry240:
....And this folks, is clearly the most ignorant comment to grace this thread, this 2016.


According to the fountain of flowing wisdom, India with a defence budget of $35 billion dollars and Algeria with $11 billion dollars a poor men armies.


Just drolling in Ignorance.

You're the one who's ignorant here.


Guys who often buy Russian equipment want more for less, they wouldn't normally afford better Western equipment.. $35 billion for defending 1+ billion people is actually a sign of poverty.

frumentius:
We definitely could use a heavy helicopter, budget allowing. As it is, we can't transport all of 6SAI for an air assault mission without pulling every available Oryx. Plus, it'd be fun to develop doctrine for Chinook employment though .

More immediate, the pending retirement of Oryx is around the corner, and there's radio silence as to its replacement. Like so many other projects, we missed the chance to develop Oryx 2. Frankly, I don't think our budget situation will have improved such that we'll afford a Euro or Yank replacement for the Oryx. Not my preference but we might have to settle for Mil MI-17s tailored for our conditions, on which Paramount has extensive experience. 3 for the price of 1 BlackHawk and of the Euros, the Airbus H225M Caracal apparently has the same hot and high performance as the Oryx which defeats the purpose. Based on our experience with the A129, I don't think we'd go for the Agusta Merlin.

Of course, if ever a link were found between rhino poachers and ISIS or Al-Qaeda, that nice Mr Trump would do for us like Egypt/Tunisia and get us favourable terms on the BlackHawk .

The only way we'd replace Oryx with a western bird would be a radical turn-around in our economic fortunes, or changing our procurement practices. With a lot of platforms I think the time has come when we build up to full strength gradually by buying say 2 per year.
Arms Deal type acquisitions are a thing of the past for the foreseeable future.

Maybe getting 2 Eurocopter EC725 per year would do then enlarge the fuel tanks like the Oryx to give it longer range... As you said, days of large arms acquisition are over and they tend to attract so much unnecessary media attention while the red-barret opposition party demands freebies.

As for the Russian equipment = poor-man's army.

Hrmnn:
@africaken254:

For those interested, these wrecked/captured Elands depicted in africaken254's post can still be found at Ebo, Angola. One of them has been towed to Luanda and received a cosmetic restoration; it is now at the national Angolan military museum.

The cosmetic restorations made are nothing but perfect. I'm impressed.... Also love the cammo pattern on the Eland

frumentius:
It was brought to the NAF for evaluation purposes, during Babangida's time if I'm not mistaken. Nigeria was on the brink of ordering 5 of the type I think, but their perilous economic situation at the time saw their creditors putting the kibosh on the deal.

How useful could a Chinook or its equivalent be in our own Air Force provided we had a budget for it?

jln115:
Super best in world 2 rotor-ed Chinook penetrate South African airspace, and land 1000 Best in world Nigerian infantry and 100 state of art T72 Tank and bomb Pretoria capitol!!

Then proceed to steal South African girls

jln115:
What happened to the single Chinook NAF had??

If that Chinook was still operational, augubugugugug would have equated it to a mothership capable of carrying all the troops, Cobra APCs and everything the Nigerian Forces have... It would magically land at Waterkloof AFB and takeover South Africa.

How Henry240 feels right now

afriken100 stop derailing the thread...

Tinfoil:
The mi24 is very is a unique and great piece of military hardware, can carry troops and fight too

It can't fight well, it can't carry enough troops.

africaken254:
i dont care if you were in CAR because of diamonds or oil but doing things 50/50 is what pisses me.Friends Stick With You Through Thick and Thin! not when circumstances suit them. museveni has remain close to kiir to this day,then you wonder why we would rather maintain close relationship with our colonial masters than other african countries. africans are worst people to rely on when in need

Check, South Africa wanted to retaliate but regional leaders thought it was gonna be a bad idea because it would have ended up pulling in other countries into the fight or cause Seleka to flee to their countries.... So no war, everyone is happy.

africaken254:
i recently watched a south africa documentary ,in which one of those recent enrich black south africans(a business lady).who was in the diamond business(which she had recently started),was talking about going to central africa republic to bring more diamonds and here your trying to convince me,it was just a training mission !?

We're talking about protecting CAR citizens, right? We don't have that mandate nor do we have the responsibility.... France is there right, they should go beg.

Henry240:
Perhaps if you take out time to read, the agreements France had with thier colonies pre-independence, you won't be asking this question.

While you're at it, read up on their currency and the post-independence relationship.


British and French colonial governments do not run the same way.


You lot should take out time to read up on things you're ignorant about before making bold claims on the internet.


Thanks.

The reason why France still has a saying in these countries is because of the corrupt leaders in those countries who keep their wealth in France.... Whatever deal they would have signed is useless if those guys would decide to have a backbone.. Anyway, all those countries have no backbones.

africaken254:
it amazes me how little most of you understand of what going around the world.what colonia tax does qatar,UAE,South korea,japan e.t.c to have american force stationed in their countries !.have those countries being hindered in the progress militarily or economically ,in your opinion what astonishing progress have those who are independent achieve when it comes to securing their people.south africa recently left CAR citizens to be butchered

It wasn't the responsibility of South Africa to protect CAR citizens. The only agreement there was only included training CAR government troops under Buzize. Those troops runaway from Seleka, others joined them and our mission was over.

Whatever happens to them is not our politics.

africaken254:
that buttstock design,is only seen with Galil variants and is also sold to Galil rifle owners in america by century arms international and israel weapon LTDs http://store.israeli-weapons.com/iweapons-velcro-rifle-sling-adapter-for-ak-galil-size-buttstock-green-by-israeli-weapons-ltd.htmland http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18298

OK I take back my post

jl115:
Having watch the video i agree its not a Galil.........however i still think its an LM-5 and not an R5, and i say his due to the fact that its much much much easier to acquire a LM5 than an R5! but then again it just as easily can be a R5, there's just no way to tell!!

I'll assume it's part of the weapons they get after assaulting installations. I don't think ex-military security would use semis to guard unsafe waters when the pirates are armed with automatics while attacking at high speeds.

africaken254:
who could you distinguish from a short barrel Galil assault rifle !

That's the first thing I often verify. There's a difference, the Galil has a shorter folding stock in comparison to the R5, that pirate was clearly holding an aged R5 (or at least a baldy maintained) .... I don't know if they'll air the program again (People and Power).

jl115:
I've never seen a poor South African Indian in my life, seeing one would be like the equivalent of seeing a unicorn....and you can go ask any South African........I guess the British brought the smart ones to work on the sugarcane fields, and left the stup1d ones in India

There's plenty of poor Indians in South Africa, just go to places like Phoenix township and Stanger... The only difference is that they're not as poor as subcontinent Indians.

Nigerdeltaboi:
criminal gangs in the Delta have in the past done transactions in SA. maybe someone got a suvenoire. a family member got attacked off nembe creeks and he said one of the pirates had M4.this guy has stayed in the USA and knows guns wella.

OK, the guy said they get their weapons when assaulting the oil installations. It's guns from dead security personnel.

I'm watching Al Jazeera, there's a documentary on Niger Delta pirates... There's a pirate with an R5 rifle, how on earth did they get one.. ?

Henry240:
Nigeria
Locally built light utility trucks for the Nigerian army

Very nice, time to retire the Toyotas.

MikeCZA:
The Ratels did score many tank kills but crews were endangered.

But look at factors:

1. SA deployed EW capabilities.

- Communications jamming.

2. Incompetence of the Angolan tank crews. In the late 80s that was starting to change.

- Angolan armour soldiers were starting to be of higher quality than their regular infantry.

The Ratel.

The Ratel-90 sought of replaced the Eland-90. Using the same turret and gun. To kill a T-55 MBT the Ratel-90 had to get up close and had to use more than one shot or one luck shot to penetrate and kill it.

The deployment of the Olifant alongside 4 SAI was cause of the threat of the T-55s. There was no effective tool in dealing with them.

Initially South Africa deployed "specialists" to hunt and destroy them (T-55s) but the Angolans would simply use infantry to screen them.

The Ratel-ZT3 was still a prototype and these are under command of the battalion OC. Covering the flanks of attacking force etc. They didn't get many kills with their "Mongol missiles".

I'm personally not a fan of putting larger guns of Infantry fighting vehicles. As they have larger silhouettes cause of their infantry compartments. Making them easier targets. As larger guns means they'll be utilized as tanks killers. Lacking armour.

Being used outside their intended role. Just like Eland and Ratel.

Vehicles like Ratel-90, Rooikat should be used for tasks such as combat reconnaissance not combat against tanks. They'll be a snack for competent MBTs crews!

We responded to the same post simultaneously

jln115:
Yet Ratel 90s and Ratel ZT3s killed many many more enemy tanks than our own Olifant!! hell we deployed less than 30 Olifant vs 150 enemy Tanks at Cuito, yet look at the result!

The Ratel 90 was effective at killing T55s after multiple shots. It's 2016, tanks have got more armour and they carry way bigger guns. The Ratel 90 and Rooikat have been designated as fire support vehicles than tank killers they were once were. In a modern battlefield, these 2 vehicles would be used to attack machine gun nests, light armour vehicles like APCs and IFVs but will have to hit the dust if tanks entered the arena..... It is for this very reason why the generals insisted on the arming of the Rooivalk AH in the 90s so it would compensate for the lack of modern heavy armour in the SANDF.

Henry240:
Nigerian army has been looking at Innoson and Proforce for some years now. Government at all levels continue to provide massive support to both of these companies.

The photos were taken today, we expect to see official photos from the army and NTA later on today.


From AAD 2016, Proforce CEO did sound bullish on the prospects of his company. The ARA MRAP is supposed to be delivered to the army this December for tests, while a further 9 units which the army has ordered would also be delivered in 2017.

However since the last I read, there has been no updates.

If that vehicle is executed according to the 3D renders we've seen, it's probably gonna be the best looking military product to come out of Nigeria.

rawswag:
NAF

In case you don't know who owns that field

africaken254:
seriously what is wrong with this forum,can't post anything.i am feed up !!!

You still want to post when Henry wants to ban you...

Henry240:
By the way, all SSA cities are the same.

Oh well if that's how you find comfort, then I can't judge you

jteku:
So after the money stay in Africa, the SouthAfricans (Europe wanna bees) will feel on top of the Continent and ignite their xenophobic attitude on other Africans abi......

But anyway if town is like this, you might forget that you're in Africa.

jln115:
Dude you should go see an Ophthalmologists!!The 90mm Gun is as clear as day!

He even placed the question mark on it

africaken254:
screw you ,when did south africa start to industrialize.compare yourself in your own league and stop b@tching how your far ahead of other african countries.where you are a just a joke(were you not just recently suffering from blackouts,rushing to buy generators!!??)

Agh please, stop playing the victims game.

Henry240 talked about massive investments in Morocco, then you were quickly to add Kenya on the list with 90MW

I'm sure you didn't read me mentioning South Africa in any of my posts.... Anyway I no longer want to play.

Back to military posts

frumentius:
I meant the main gun.

Look carefully, it's a 90.

frumentius:
The Jordanian Desert Iris seems to have the same dimensions as the REVA FAV. I'm sure the guys at ICP must be looking at similarly outfitting the FAV. We could use the FAV to complement the Gecko for the Parabats.

REVA doesn't stop designing fugly vehicles