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Safiaa:
That’s disgusting. There’s nothing wrong with being a virgin, it shows that you have self control and respect for your body. It’s an achievement, please don’t ever feel inferior or bad about it. You are blessed.

Well said,dear!

Happy Virginity day!

I learnt about this great forum from my sister who was in a prospective thread on Nairaland while seeking admission into OAU in 2011. I joined in 2013 when I needed to get NYSC updates and so I searched for this forum my sister was glued to for info. I like this site for the news and easy accessibility to Nigerians views from the comfort of wherever I am.
I can't do without opening this site in a day, if my Android phone isn't charged I do subscribe on my small Nokia Asha 201 phone to access the site till I am able to charge my Android. I'm addicted to Nairaland!

forgiveness:
90% will have nothing to do with idol.

In Nigeria, most of them still visit Babalowo and worship deities behind closed doors.

She made the right decision to live and people should respect that.

Hollywood actress Gabrielle Union has this condition and now has baby Kaavia through surrogacy. If Madam Nse wants, with viable eggs and financial means she can still have biological baby of her own through surrogacy.

As long as she is happy,whether she has baby or not is not important.

His friends are wolves in sheep's skin!

LilMissFavvy:
Wow......dats a real man, a man who respects his marital vows. Such men are few, less than 1percent.

You are right. OP deserves some accolades!

May God help us.

Decibel:
How Lionel Messi enter Anfield

How did he leave?

aribisala0:
I do not like to upset sensitive people
I do not think I talked about age anywhere
Well Oduduwa's children has multiple meanings depending on the context and story.

The context here is of kings and Obas.

The other context is Oduduwa as the first man(Adam) or at least the "Yoruba" version.
This latter story is one that was written into some history books by uninformed "scholars" . It is silly and not really worthy of discourse

The former is Oduduwa as the founder of a dynasty of kings who are his children. Therefor by definition all his children are Omoba
This latter event is quite recent relatively. the current alaafin cite their genealogy going back to Oduduwa and contemporary traditions from Edo tell us this is about 1000 years old.

Yet we know that Ife has been settled for thousands of years ,the Yoruba language and Ifa are much older than Oduduwa so he cannot be "Adam"
Omo Odua may have sentimental pull but

IJEBU are not Omo Odua. Neither the people or the Monarchy.
The only way Ijebu can be Omo Odua is by the Adam theory

This idea has been resisted from day one but like a lie that is repeated often it starts looking like truth. It starts assuming the tyranny of Hisbah that say you cannot eat in public in Kano during Ramaddan

We are Omo Kaaro Ojire

NOT

Omo Oduduwa you may be omo Oduduwa but I am not though I identify with the SENTIMENT.

According to Ifa tradition the first man was Obatala NOT Oduduwa
His was the Original dynasty and that is probably what this guy is alluding to

Naturally the Yoruba history and tradition was transmitted by oral chanting and Obatala has been "photoshopped" out of the story by Oduduwa descendants

The Remos are from Iremo Quarters in Ile Ife, the people of Ijebu Igbo are from Ita Otutu Quarters in Ile Ife. The Ago Iwoye people have affinity with the Ondos (Ebumawe/Osemawe). Are these people not Ijebus ?.

I like the first part of your last paragraph and that's where the problem is. History was orally handed down and has been tampered with for selfish and political gains.

aribisala0:
The Ijebus stood out from all other so called Yoruba for this ONE THING
Eatings taboos may affect Family groups or clans but female circumcision is the one thing that differentiates the Ijebu not just from Yoruba but the WHOLE of Southern Nigeria if not the whole Nigeria.

To then compare that to eating millet or popcorn is a disgrace


Once again sir your comparison of circumcison with eating taboo is quite unintelligent bordering on stupid. Sometimes smart people say stupid things.


but
Imu jina si oju

what people eat( eating taboos) and circumcision are so fundamentally different and if you do not get it there is no point of further engagement.


There are certain affinity markers are are fundamental
Naming ceremonies
Burial ceremonies
Kingship rites and governance systems
Marriage ceremonies/rites/practice including female circumcision



You really have nothing to say to me if you think there is a nexus between the two.

I thought you had a serious contribution to make

Other Yorubas? The fact is that Other "Yorubas " again is an ignorant statement.

We are talking about a time when there were no bicycles not to talk of cars

ant the entire region was more or less forest

There was very very little intermarriage except among neigbouring villages so the prospect of Ondo marrying Ife or Oyo except through slavery was rare so stop propagating silly myths
Ijebus generally married Ijebus or Egbas,Oyos married themselves and so on


The fact is groups DID NOT IDENTIFY themselves as Yoruba? Why would they? What does YORUBA mean?

The people everybody knew as Yoruba were Oyo and their close relatives.
Apart from that the people would have assumed that the forest was the world and all people spoke a mutually intelligible form of Anago without being one people until they started encountering other groups

I don't engage people who think they know but know nothing and still don't want to learn. It would be wrong of me to continue debating with you because People who are ignorant like you make argument based on their ignorance and use years of experience they have had in their ignorant states to bring intellectuals who have correct accounts and engage politely to their ignorant level. So, I don't engage with Ignorant and rude people. And besides this is not about age, so what is "imu jina soju" here? Say correct accounts of descendants of Oduduwa. Don't come here and argue who is older between you and I.Only people who are suffering from inferiority complex use age to win argument.
You are the one who speaks unintelligently and still adamantly saying what is not backed by any known history or facts. kindly, go back and learn history from the right source because you are not making any sense at all.

Yeah, I know they didn't identify as yoruba then but that's not what my argument with you is all about, we were on whether Ijebus were descendants of oduduwa(Omo oduduwa) and I used Yoruba for all Oduduwa' children because that's what they are now collectively known as.

The Remos are from Iremo Quarters in Ile Ife and can be found in Ijebu Iremo, the people of Ijebu Igbo are from Ita Otutu Quarters in Ile Ife. The Ago Iwoye people have affinity with the Ondos (Ebumawe/Osemawe). Are these people not Ijebus ?.

forgiveness:
A larger proportion of Yorubas are either Muslims or Christians.

They are now Christians, Muslims and some of them still worship Osun and other deities on the side but identify with either Islam or Christianity.

Amujale:
Yes, yes i would.

Really?

aribisala0:
Sir with respect this is not logic .


Before you talk about being less or more Yoruba you must define the attributes that constitute Yoruba-ness

Is a seat anything that we sit on?

The fact is that what it means to be "Yoruba" Today is not what it meant 100 years ago. It is a Nigerian construct.
The same or similar people in Benin are not called Yoruba . WHY?

How can you compare eating with circumcision.
It is quite a stupid thing to say.
If you do not know what to say keep quiet

The fact is you only intermarried with your own kind.

Circumcision meant the Ijebus did not intermarry with many so called Yoruba groups for centuries and that has left an enduring narrative of other-ness and different-ness between the Ijebu and other groups

You didn't have to be rude to pass your message in a debate.You are rude by saying I should keep quiet and by calling by comparison stupid.You are allowed to make your argument without insult. Kindly,learn some manners especially when it comes to how to talk or engage people in public. FYI, We are all here to share and learn since no one is an island of knowledge.
Other Yoruba didn't even like marrying the Ijebus because it was believed that they were fetish, miser and weren't taking care of their wives like they cared for concubines. The Ijebus have an eulogise that says ; Ijebu takes care of concubines tenderly like they have never seen women before, but they have twenty-thirty wives at home. They neglected their wives to care for mere concubines. Who would give out his/her daughter out in marriage to people like that?


Don't forget that children from the same household even behave differently and why parents are often advised not to compare child with the others and to approach training their children differently based on each child's needs and characteristics. Therefore, Ijeshas, Ekitis, Oyos, Aworis, Ijebus, Egbas, Ife, Igbominas etc are allowed to behave differently, and do things differently though they all have roots in Ife and claimed to be from Ife.

aribisala0:
I think there are a number of things you need to understand
The issue of Ife is a spiritual one and has nothing to do with Ooni today.

The Yoruba belief LIFE started at Ife not just Yoruba life but all creation. It is difficult to grasp this if you do not delve into Ifa Odus.
IT is very symbolic just like "Garden of Eden" whether this Ife where all of mankind originated is the same as today is debatable.

So to that extent Ife is a place of origin but it is wrong to depict it as cradle of Yoruba race. There is nothing like Yoruba race and that is where you need a shift in your thinking. Rewind 400 years ago .

People saw the world and themselves very differently.

Ekiti were Ekiti Oyo were Yoruba Ijesha were Ijesha and so on

They did not see themselves as part of Yoruba race . Such a concept would have been bizarre.

They saw themselves as different peoples who had some commonalities just like the biblical Jews and their neighbours in the Levant 3000 years ago.

The arrival of external threats has caused them so see their similarities which is good but it is good to see the whole picture and not buy into a fiction of one big happy Yoruba family.

The Oyo are significantly influence with Northern origin whilst there are more indigenous aboriginal people further South in the riverine areas some of whom have been pushed out toward the Niger Delta or across the Niger
So there are Yoruba groups with Edo,Igala , Ijaw, Egun , Hausa affiliations and tendencies.

They all traced their root to Ile-ife and Each towns have developed differently due to contact with people of different ethnicity due to trade and other factors that can't be explained!

aribisala0:
Both of you are totally off point .

What is Yorubaland?

An empire is relevant as long as it has the means to enforce its authority otherwise it is relegated like a VHS recorder.
A defeated emperor cannot claim authority over anyone.

Yes Oyo once ruled much(not all) of "Yorubaland"(whatever this means) same way the Romans and later the British ruled much of the world.
Can the British continue to appoint Governors-General in Nigeria ,India or even the USA which they once owned.

The truth is even in so called Oyo empire territory before the British came the Olubadan had taken over and was the one that save the Oyos's from Ilorin invasion
ALL the nations were independent of each other so the question of Ooni having any authority over the others is quite silly. They only came under the authority of Oyo BY FORCE and rebelled whenever they could for centuries.

Certainly the Ijebu and Egba and those is Lagos are not blood relatives of Oyo and are more aboriginal with greater blood ties to riverine people s while the Oyos have greater blood ties to Nupe and Hausa whilst speaking related language and using Ifa religions. The Ekiti and Ondo have strong links with Edo and Ijaw peoples
The case of Ijebus is very glaring. They are totally unique in that they do not circumcise their women
The other thing to bear in mind is the tribal marks of Oyo which are more "Northern". Tribal marks should tell you that they are not one people

This idea of one Yoruba nation is funny
Ajase and others in Benin republic do not even call themselves Yoruba

Erin Ijesha and Erin -Oke are both Ijesha lands and they don't eat oka baba(millet) and Ipeere(a spies of snail) because it is an abomination to eat it. Other Yoruba lands eat these things, and not eating these things by those two Ijesha towns don't make them any less Yoruba. An occurrence could have made the Ijebus to stop female circumcision.
Different towns in yoruba lands have things they do differently from the others.

aribisala0:
Both of you are totally off point .

What is Yorubaland?

An empire is relevant as long as it has the means to enforce its authority otherwise it is relegated like a VHS recorder.
A defeated emperor cannot claim authority over anyone.

Yes Oyo once ruled much(not all) of "Yorubaland"(whatever this means) same way the Romans and later the British ruled much of the world.
Can the British continue to appoint Governors-General in Nigeria ,India or even the USA which they once owned.

The truth is even in so called Oyo empire territory before the British came the Olubadan had taken over and was the one that save the Oyos's from Ilorin invasion
ALL the nations were independent of each other so the question of Ooni having any authority over the others is quite silly. They only came under the authority of Oyo BY FORCE and rebelled whenever they could for centuries.

Certainly the Ijebu and Egba and those is Lagos are not blood relatives of Oyo and are more aboriginal with greater blood ties to riverine people s while the Oyos have greater blood ties to Nupe and Hausa whilst speaking related language and using Ifa religions. The Ekiti and Ondo have strong links with Edo and Ijaw peoples
The case of Ijebus is very glaring. They are totally unique in that they do not circumcise their women
The other thing to bear in mind is the tribal marks of Oyo which are more "Northern". Tribal marks should tell you that they are not one people

This idea of one Yoruba nation is funny
Ajase and others in Benin republic do not even call themselves Yoruba

Erin Ijesha and Erin -Oke are both Ijesha lands and they don't eat oka baba(millet) and Ipeere(a spies of snail) because it is an abomination to eat it. Other Yoruba lands eat these things, and not eating these things by those two Ijesha towns don't make them any less Yoruba. An occurrence could have made the Ijebus to stop female circumcision.

aribisala0:
The proposition whether "probably" or not is untrue

Oba of Lagos is not Oduduwa in any roundabout or traffic light way that is rubbish.

Not all kings in Lagos are Aworis many are Ijebus who have no claim about their kings coming from Ife

Ijebu people like other Yorubas traced their history to Ife which is the cradle of the Yoruba race.

perryy:
Izoduwa (oduduwa) was from Benin. Anyone who believe he fell from the sky must be drunk as there is no life in the sky. The people then believed he came from the sky because he told them he was the son of Ogiso(king of the sky) . Those men that believed he was from Saudi are dimwitted as it would have been impossible for him to treck down to Ile Ife all the way from Saudi. He told them he was from the side where the sun rises from , that is East, and Benin is east of Ife .

In that case , Olugbo is right ,if you are talking of Paramount rulers of those that speak the Yoruba language. Now if u are talking of Oyo empire, then the Alafin of Oyo is number one and not even Ile ife as Ife did not great any empire . Outside Oyo empire , there was no other unified Yoruba kingdom in history which Ife was the head of. Now , how cone Ooni of Ife is now the number one ruler of Yoruba land ? Was there anything like Yoruba land in history? What history has is Oyo empire which was headed by the Alafin of Oyo and not Ooni of Ife.

If we are to jettison the Oyo empire and talk about a unified Yoruba kingdom, I think the Olugbo is very right as his kingdom predate that of Izoduwa no obhi Arunmunda ( Oduwuwa the son of Arunmunda) It is either we jettison Oyo influence and recognize Ugbo or stand by Oyo and make Alafin the number one ruler of
the modern Oyo empire . Thank you.

Ile-ife is the spiritual head of Yoruba land; in the olden days, Ife was where sacrifices and atonements were offered to appease/celebrate the gods of the land. Alafin was one of the seven children of Okanbi, and okanbi was the only son of oduduwa.

perryy:
Izoduwa (oduduwa) was from Benin. Anyone who believe he fell from the sky must be drunk as there is no life in the sky. The people then believed he came from the sky because he told them he was the son of Ogiso(king of the sky) . Those men that believed he was from Saudi are dimwitted as it would have been impossible for him to treck down to Ile Ife all the way from Saudi. He told them he was from the side where the sun rises from , that is East, and Benin is east of Ife .

In that case , Olugbo is right ,if you are talking of Paramount rulers of those that speak the Yoruba language. Now if u are talking of Oyo empire, then the Alafin of Oyo is number one and not even Ile ife as Ife did not great any empire . Outside Oyo empire , there was no other unified Yoruba kingdom in history which Ife was the head of. Now , how cone Ooni of Ife is now the number one ruler of Yoruba land ? Was there anything like Yoruba land in history? What history has is Oyo empire which was headed by the Alafin of Oyo and not Ooni of Ife.

If we are to jettison the Oyo empire and talk about a unified Yoruba kingdom, I think the Olugbo is very right as his kingdom predate that of Izoduwa no obhi Arunmunda ( Oduwuwa the son of Arunmunda) It is either we jettison Oyo influence and recognize Ugbo or stand by Oyo and make Alafin the number one ruler of
the modern Oyo empire . Thank you.

Ile-ife is the spiritual head of Yoruba land; in the olden days, it was where sacrifices and atonements were offer to appease/celebrate the gods of the land.

KANU is a star and his shine will never go dim.Amen

I think we should continue to talk about our money till we are heard and paid!

Things that concern education in this country should not be treated as irrelevant. Any investment made on education is an investment on Human capital and one of the ways to economic growth and development.......And that's what Nigerian Government doesn't know.

I'm happy,Buhari really tried in securing her release.

Ps, Federal government should release our scholarship funds they are owing us since 2018.

I have looked @ my phone several times for bank alert since Feb 5th that I did my verification but nothing. I hope and pray FG or the board pays this money asap!

She has beautiful skin!

He should be massively compensated for the years spent in prison.

ClearFlair:
Yoruba is the best

You can say that again.
Yoruba language is robust and beautiful!

PythonAmaka:
Yio ba'ya re. Evidently, you're a product of a sex romp your mother had with a gala hawker on a cold night at a bumpy road.
True to type, you do know the lineage of your Osu father in the east, Omo ale.
Your premonitions, indeed could be true, being a strange blood in a strange land, however so abominably, living under the pretence of a royal lineage. A questionable birth of false ancestry.

Today, you have been cursed, Egbe ni fun e lati oni lo.
A list of several unfounded and uncorroborated research have been done by a few number of your pseudo intellectuals under the influence of Aba weed, in a bid to trace the identity of your lesser tribe to anyone & everyone. With the very recent as cunningly as it could have an appeal to the Yoruba folks. DOA!
You are a seed of misfortune to the Yoruba race. Go look for your Osu father.. Omo Iran ajeokuta ma mu'mi.
*spits


-python amaka

That simply defines your mother's history of prostitution and carelessness... Guess your miserable, dirty,public toilet,public sperm dumpster and stinky mom who brought curse(you) into this world also forgot to teach you home training because you lack it.....A leave doesn't fall far from its tree. FYI, the fact that your mom gave birth to you from whoring doesn't mean other godly and hardworking women did the same . I can't just imagine the kind of home you come from .....Omo ti ko leko ....omoale to nhun daleru....atoko wa bale je, Omo ale jati jati....Omo ti ko niran!


Enjoy your Nairaland fame since your real life is empty and your relevance starts and ends with Nairaland.
I think all these have affected your brain and it is now malfunctioning....I would love to suggest you visit a psychiatric Doctor for therapy sessions, it ll do you a lot of good.I
pity your shameful and lacklustre existence!

I won't get in the mud with you because you are a pig and muddy water is your domain. You can continue to rave and rant but I ll no longer dignify you with my time.

Oh, your uncontrollable spits and your curses are on you and your unborn generations.

PythonAmaka:
You simply couldn't figure beyond the height of low self esteem. A ridiculously low complex that has deformed your mental well being.
Moremi was a paragon of beauty, none could compare. Never was her identity or ancestry ever in doubt. In every measure, such is the greatness of Yoruba women.
Perhaps, your mother played an away match, but the very moment your paternity comes in doubt, you shall be banished from the royal palace.
*spits


-python amaka

If you must know, I partially favour my dad with same pretty cute birthmark and facial expression..... let's say I am a handsome lady with good home training, I have plenty of self respect and I was taught to be good and not speak ill of my neighbors......that's the true definition of a princess.
At least I know my lineage, what could be said of yours?Omo Iran Kiran!People like you only thrive on discord...you are a bitter person and I refuse to be a tribalist like your spiteful self.
Olodo, even studies have said the Yorubas are genetically 99.9 percent Igbo. So, till you carry out your research and tell us the evidence of your findings, stop being obnoxious and classless.
You can be better person if you can do away with all these bitterness in you. All the best!

SageMK:
Not everyone you call friend is a friend. In fact, you've more to fear from friends than your enemies.

That's so true!!!

Guide777:
I don't blame people who are crying foul. Those who criticise Ooni are not familiar with the unpopular but true history of this part of Nigeria. Its has not been taught in our schools so how would they know.
But if you want to know , Google is your friend. Start with the works of Prof. Obianuju Acholonu you will see where Ooni is coming from. I might suggest one of her research work " They lived before Adam" .

They won't read 'cos they hate the truth!
Truth is always bitter