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Wilgrea7:
ok.... I'll take it that you're not a fan of Pentecostal pastors like adeboye... oyedepo etc

analice107:
If you are a true Calvinist you'd know to bring proofs before you accuse and call servants of God robbers before the heathens



Good News Translation 1 Timothy 5:19 Do not listen to an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or more witnesses.

Let him that thinketh he stands, take heed Talest he falls.

Wilgrea7:
so Calvinists are against clergymen??

I said robbers!

analice107:
A barren tree without ripe fruits doesn't receive stones. If Pastor Chris was a loafer like the parents, Uncles and relations of those smearing him, all the smear campaigns won't be.


They are just jealous, wishing these men of God were their parents or their Uncles.


May we all reap the fruits we have sown, both in words and in actions.

You can't be a Calvinist

All the Calvinists I know will rebuke these robbers.

Tallesty1:
Giving you a detailed response will lead us into a long debate because we are going to disagree on a lot of things and it will void the purpose of this thread.

I had to leave out a lot of things while writing the op to make it short and readable. About Judas and Jesus, Judas was chosen to betray Jesus but he had to make things right he realized his mistakes but he didn't(according to our Bible) I will leave it there because there is much more to the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ than we have been taught. There are great mysteries here, it has many connections with Levitical Laws and to understand it, we must look at it from a totally new point of view.

I agree too to some of the things you've written and will like you to call me out on a dead thread or chat box somewhere so that we can debate extensively on the issue.

Now back to what's at hand, you and I agree that God is not partial or unjust, can you present a better response to refiner?

hahn:
I will go with your recommendation and save myself the mental stress then

Well I have replied him accordingly

Tallesty1:
I was as confused as you're when I first encountered this verse but there's something that helps me to understand scriptures as complicated as this one and that is trying to figure out the speakers audience and whether the verse should be taken literally or not.

The scripture quoted by Paul was God's speech to Moses after granting him an unusual request. It is has nothing to do with our salvation and reward as true Christians.

I group people who ask this question into two categories.

First category are people with sense of entitlement complex. People who think God owe them something but truth is, he owe nothing that he hasn't given.

Second group are people who want to feel good in sin. They want to justify their sinful life by saying that God has chosen those he likes and the rest are doomed to die no matter what they do.

That is a lie.

First he gave us freedom to chose from good and evil and majority chose evil, He then sent a son to redeem us all if we have faith in him.

God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son , much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

We are all his children and that is why he encourages us to come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

There's no selection or discrimination against anybody here.

Just come...... but our sins and self condemnation makes unconfident.

He didn't show mercy to Jacob and Esau wasn't hated as you make it seem.

Scripture was talking about being elected to handle a particular task when the above was mentioned.

Jacob was elected to be the father of Israel, Esau was not. This does not mean that God hates Esau. Esau later became a great man that God used to teach Jacob an important lesson but that's not part of this post.

So the case of Esau and Jacob was a case of being chosen for a certain purpose. Jesus selected Peter from the twelve apostles as the one he will give the keys to his temple, this doesn't mean that the others were hated.

Judas was a thief first before becoming a traitor and he never asked for forgiveness rather he chose to self terminate unlike Peter who wept uncontrollably.
He made himself available for Satan to use and it's just right that he destroyed his body for his spirit to be safe. 1 Corinthians 5:5

You don't know how serious Saul's offenses were.

Let me brief you.

Israel's king was not to be considered divine. In the law of Moses, God carefully distinguished the priesthood from the kingship and gave future kings careful instructions that put them under the law.

So it was vital that Israelite kings not usurp any priestly or divine prerogatives but Saul did just that while campaigning against the Philistines.

Scripture says that Saul assumed the prerogatives of a priest by offering sacrifices by himself when Samuel didn’t arrive as soon as expected.

That's one.


Instead of destroying the Almakites as he was instructed, he spared the best of the sheep and cattle, the fat calves and lambs everything that was good. He only ordered the destruction of what he thought was undesirable and worthless. He spared King Agag because in this time captured kings were a prized trophy of war. By conducting this raid as if it were ordinary warfare that he was directing, Saul once again usurped a divine prerogative and misrepresented the character of divine judgment.

If allowed to continue being king, he will changed the Israelites system of kingship.

This is a very ridiculous assertion.

Truly not everyone will be elected to lead or be used by God for special purpose but we all have his mercy through Christ Jesus.

Even Job despite his troubles acknowledged in Job 34:19 that
God is not partial to princes
and does not favor the rich over the poor,
for they are all the work of His hands.

God loves everyone of us because every human being is created in His image John 3:16. Those he shows mercy or chooses are worthy of the assignment.

Let's assume that he decides to show you mercy now(ie chose you for a particular mission) Will you be able to handle the mantle of responsibility that he will place on your shoulders?

Jesus was the chosen one yet he died a terrible death, he suffered to an extent that he wished the cup will be taken away from him.

Be he was chosen because he's worthy. Likewise the apostles and every other person he showed mercy.

Take Mary for another example, God showed him mercy so he was chosen to be the mother of the Messiah. He had to flee and go exile because the king wanted to kill Jesus. last last, a sword pierced her soul/ even though he was shown mercy.

These are the ones I look on with favor says the Lord : those who are humble and contrite in spirit, and who tremble at my word. God wants to show us all His favor, but in His sovereign knowledge, He chooses some for special assignment and blessing.


For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord
Nobody goes Scot free after committing a sin.

The Bible is clear on this.

The death in this context isn't physical death but spiritual death. The person can be strong and healthy but he's gone spiritually.

That two people commit the same sin and and on lives while one dies doesn't mean that God hates the one who's dead.

He is just unlucky.

“For a certainty,” said Peter, “I perceive that God is not partial.”

He isn't partial. we will all be judged in the end and be rewarded according to our works .

Peter also said that

In every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him.

Picture this scenario, a man employed labourers to work in his farm. The agreement is that he will pay them 20k by the end of the day.

But while inspecting their work, he took a bite from an apple and gave the rest to one of the workers.

Was he being partial by not giving to others? Nope, it was his apple and their agreement was to be rewarded with money not apple. It is also possible that he that received the apple was doing something better than others or the man saw that he was weak, maybe hungry too and needed an apple.

Just before closing time, the man decides to leave and appoints one of the labourers to inspect work instead. This means that he will stop working but in the end he will still receive the agreed amount.

Is the man partial?

God is not limited in His favor. He does not rank us in order of importance, nor is His favor something we must compete with one another to earn. Every child of God who comes to Him through faith in Jesus Christ has the favor of God.

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snowblaq:
.....Just like you decide what to eat at what time...what to wear...where to go......so also does God decide who to have mercy on and who not to....He is God...whether we accept it or not....nobody is in a position to question Him.....you do not necessarily have to like the way He acts....that does not make Him any less of the God He is.....

LMAO That's what I know too!

analice107:
I think am a Calvinist naturally because i uphold these teachings too.

When i read the "Sovereignty of God, by Arthur Pink", i was so taken by the truth of the Calvinists teachings. It's so true.

Lol I use to have his sermon audios including the sovereignty of God. They really blessed my soul!

But what do you mean by "Calvinist naturally" You were born like that you mean?