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This is painful.

The truth and nothing but the truth. Most of this fools have not even read the book. Are you surprised that one forumite described the yoruba elders as behaving like the abokis north of them.
Prof Achebe my hero, it shall be well with you.

Where is Elechi Amadi in all this mayhem that befell his village. Elechi Amadi should come up and say something about this barbaric act from his people. If someone says Ikwerres are Igbo people, then he will wake up from his sleep. If someone says Aluu is an Igbo village, he will rise up to say no.
This is where it matters most and his voice has to be heard, yet the man is still asleep.
I thank God he is still alive to see things in this fasion happening in his village. The life of his people is not just about being Igbo or not but a holistic one.

One of the key actors is still with us in Nigeria. He is Yakubu Gowon. He should just offer himself for trial at the Hague.

NRI PRIEST: I remember this thread...Been over a year. I will come back later and write on different level of "Nze na Ozo" and how they are taken..@Andre,do you have "Nze na Ozo" in Isinweke ?

Yes, we do have them.

Prof Corruption: When your clueless fathers were planning the war, were they planning to lose so they would come back for their savings? Efulefu
If you have prove that something belongs to you, you get it back. Simple as abc, it's not hard to get.

The leader of the rebellion Ojukwu got his savings back. His wives and children are fighting over his house in Ikoyi, Lagos as I type. So in addition to twenty pounds, some of you got your belongings back. What even happen to those who had nothing but nevertheless given twenty pounds? Ojukwu came back and collected pensions from the same military he fought against. He dined with the same generals shooting his people during the war. He even endorsed one of them for presidency in his later lonely years.


Shameless liars!
Why do you enjoy derailing threads?. Everything you have chatted above is very irrelevant to the topic. Read before commenting, Alakowe.

Read before commenting Alakowe, you have once again gone off topic.

shymexx: I had to create this thread to ask questions and defuse the arguments, counter-arguments, and boring back and forth between Yoruba and Igbo posters on NL... This madness is getting boring now, and something has to be done before the 'fire' consumes everyone... Personally, I don't need Chinua Achebe's memoir to know what actually happened before, during, and after the war... I've a father and a late uncle who fought on the Nigerian side during the war(they joined the army as teenagers after Ore was invaded and Lagos was bombed several times by Biafran white mercenaries)... So, I have been privy to first-hand FACTS about the Biafran war since I was a kid... And I remember vividly that my father told me he joined the Nigerian army after Ojukwu boasted on Radio Biafra that he would be eating breakfast in Ibadan(can't remember the exact place in Yorubaland) by the next morning - and Awolowo subsquently pleaded with every Yoruba parent with more than two sons to allow one of them join the Nigerian army - to save Yorubaland from invasion...

The counter coup and pogroms against Igbos were done by both Northerners and Mid-Belters - and they were also the bulk of the Nigerian soldiers who fought during the war - why are my Igbo brothers and sisters not holding them responsible for the war How come they only talk about the role(s) Yoruba people played during the war?? Yoruba people are also not more culpable in the 'genocide' than the other minority tribes in Southern Nigeria who joined the war after the Biafran invasion of their homelands... Yoruba had Awolowo, Adekunle, Obasanjo etc... Old Bendel had Ogbemudia, Ejoor etc... Rivers/Ijaw had Adaka Boro, Ken Saro Wiwa, Lt. Col. Abogo Largema etc... Calabar had Colonel EA Etuk etc.. Yoruba people played arguably the same role(s) as the other Southern tribes to end the war - however, why do Igbo people continue to blame only the Yorubas for their woes and the supposed 'genocide'?? Why not the Northerners who executed the counter-coup, pogroms, and subsequently invaded Igboland at the beginning of the war??

I'm tired of this never ending back and forth, it's getting boring now... If the two loud tribes are tired of Nigeria, get the hell out of the country, and let those who want to remain in the Nigeria live in peace... Nigeria has 250 tribes/ethnic groups - not just Igbo and Yoruba!!!!!!!

Over 200,000 comments on the internet in the last three days alone - you guys are sick in the head!!

Did Prof Achebe just publish a book about Biafran war?. The answer is no.
What the Prof has done was to publish his personal account during the war. The prof will not be interested in writing a book of 10,000 pages and has just chosen to write about his personal encounters during the impasse. The prof was not in the middle belt during the war so he can not manufacture stories that did not personally involve him.
Has the prof lied?. No. As you said, the stories about the war is what you already know. So having known that Awo gave £20 to Ndigbo who had money in the bank regardless of how much they had in those custodies.
The prof has said the truth which all Nigerians already are aware of it.
Awo is just expoposed to the world. As the world will now search to know about him, they will also know that Awo was a candidate for war crimes at the Hague but escaped the hangman.
The truth is always bitterbut it must be told.

PAGAN 9JA:
i refuse to believe that this man is descended from jews :

I can't speak for the entire Igbo world, but as for me and my people of Isinweke (Ihitte/Uboma/Nsu/Obowu, we did not migrate from any where.

^^^How?.

Antivirus92: ify obu m bu onye isiokpukpu?

Biko, do not derail this thread. KWANYERE ONWE GI UGWU.

Am an Igbo to the core and my fathers, grand fathers and great grand fathers do not believe we arrived from anywhere. We have been in our present abode since Chukwu created the universe.
Having said the above, I do not rule out that some certain Igbo people came from Israel or elsewhere but not my Isinweke people.
Whatever the case may be, we are all Igbo and are found in the east and west side of the lower Niger.

Nrubeisi na ulo akwukwo bu kwa nwata mewe mkpotu na klaasi, a gwaya ya kwusi, ya akwusi.

ifyalways: Isi okpukpu ahu n'ekele Chukwu na o kere ya dika Nwa afo Igbo. O jizi style ako ndi mba ndi ozo onu.
Lee anya na signature "otele"

Ufodu oge, m lecha anya na omenani ndi mba ozo, a nam asikwa aka kelu uwa "deme/dalu na i mere Nne na nna m ndi igbo"

Lol

Ya dikwara gi mma. Onye nwe anyi gba gi ume.

Igbo ndi oma, unu deputa ndi ozo.

Ka esi egbochi oria di iche iche.
Anyi kwesikwara ina-ebechasi mbo anyi; ina-akpu isi anyi nke oma mgbe obula o rutere.
Ina-asuchasi uwe cloth); okpu(hat) nakwa akpukpo ukwu (foot wears) anyi nke oma mgbe obula ha ruru unyi.
I na-asuchasi, abochasi na-azachasi gburugburu anyi ocha mgbe niile.
Anyi kwesiri ijiri ulo anwunta na-echedo onwe anyi, ya na ka anyi ghara ikwe ka anwunta nwee ebe nchedo na gburugburu anyi.
O kwesiri ka anyi wee na-enweta ezigbo ikuku mgbe niile.

Antivirus92: Ahize m buru onye igbo!

Kowaa.

yomyte: [color=#000099][/color]what is hazard doing on that list?

He deserves to be there and should be ahead of Wayne rooney.

^^^
Stop insulting the Obo of Owah. Is it a crime for the Obi to write a book and tell the whole world that their roots are in Igboland.
Prof Onwujeogwu's research of over 25 years on the Ika people must be respected. Afterall, the prof did not claim that all the Ika people have Igbo history but majority do.
The photos here do not mean anything. Odumchi has at one time published some photos of Aro trad regalia that is similar to Ibibio regalia. Yet Aros are not insane to disclaim Igbo.
The Obi of Owah not only claim Igbo ancestry but preaching for Owah people to participate more in Igbo activities. Read the links, poor boy.

ifyalways: Dika nwata na-etolite etolite, Nne na nna m zuru m irubere ma sopuru ndi okenye nile isi. Nwata nme ihe ojoo, okenye obula no nso were ike iku ya ihe ma tuziere ya uzo oma. Nwa bu nke ora, otu onye a naghi azu Nwa.
Ugbu a, dika Nne umuaka, a na m agbakwa mbo i kuziri umu m ka ha na asopuru okenye obula biara n'uzo ha kama maka n'uwa a gbanwela, ndi okenye ome mpu juputakwara, a kuzikwara m ha na ha a gaghi ekwe maka na nmadu bu okenye mee ihe ojoo.

Ify, uka gi amaka. Na agbanye gi na ufodu ndi okenye na eme mpu, o di kwa mma ka ana akwanyere ndi okenye ugwu ruru ha, ma na erubekwara ha isi.

@Odumchi, Osu has so many meanings in Igbo language just as some words mean so many different things in English.
Osu means an authority or well versed in something.
Example, if you are called Osu ji-it means you are an authority in yam production.
Osunkwa--an authority in music or dance. etc.
If one is called Nwa osu-that means you are a son of an iconic figure.

My possible Chelsea line up.
Cech
Azkupuleta, Ivanovic, Cahill, Cole
Obi, Ramires, Lampard.
Moses, Torres, Hazard.

dayokanu: Then Lagos that has more needs should get the state. Oke-Ogun being vast means nothing when its just expanse of land with nothing.
If its about expanse of land then Yobe , Adamawa should get 3 states each.

The state creation of 1967 was an attempt to separate the land based on the cultures of the people. SW was left as a single state because they were homogenous in Laguage and have a similar culture same with SE.

River, Bendel, Benue-Plateau, North-East and CRS were also created to separate the minorities and keep them from being dominated by the larger majorities so their voices can be heard too

Then in 1996, the criteria used in state creation were mainly based on geo-political zones having a state each.
Now the reason for creation is for balance of states in the geo-polity of Nigeria.
The south west has 6 while the north west has 7 and the south east with only 5. Each zone should have equal number of states and as a consequence, the south east should get 2 states.

dayokanu: What should e the criteria for state creation if its not population?

I would rather use the population as a reason. WHats the point of creating more states in a place that has 2million ppl while another place with 20m is unattended to

In that case, Lagos state will get additional 3 states while vast areas such as Oke-Ogun Saki etc in your state will remain in the same Oyo state.
As I said earlier, population has never being the sole means of creating states in Nigeria. Have you not wondered why cross river state and Rivers states were created in 1967 while the bigger east and west were not touched?.
In Today's Nigeria, the sole reason for state creation is equity. The south east has to be at par with other zones.

dayokanu: Population determine the needs and thus the SW deserves another state.

Ndigbo are not against any state creation in the south west. What we want is parity. I would love a situation where the south west gets another state just like the north west with 7 states.
Second, population has not been the sole determinant of state creation in Nigeria. Have you wondered why Ibadan state was not created ahead of Ekiti state with less population.
What the south east wants is just parity with other geo-pol zones.

Enwekwara otutu nrubeisi di na ulo akwukwo. I na erube isi bu ndi nkuzi si gi zaa klaasi, gi azaa yaa.
Agwa gi ruo oru e kere n'ulo akwukwo gi aruo ya.

Nrubere nne na nna isi bu kwa inye aka sie erimeri a ga-eri n'ulo.

Sir Alex should hand over to his son when he retires. He is the next Alex Ferguson.

Ndebeiwu: N'ezinaulo obula, ma obu ulo akwukwo ma obu na ama, bu ezigbo ezinaulo, o nwere iwu na-achi ha dika:
Ha ga na arusi oru ike.
Ha agaghi na-ezu ohi.
Ha agaghi na-agba ama ugha.
Nwata agaghi eri ihe obula a sighi ya rie dika anu, nri na ihe ndi ozo.
Onye akpirikwala ego nne ya nnaya na nzuzo.
Biko, unu kwuputa ndi ozo.

Nrubeisi na obi m bu mmadu ime ihe a gwara ya mee. Enwere nrubeisi na ulo akwukwo, na ezinaulo ma o bu kwa na ama.
Na ezinaulo, anyi kwesikwara ina erubere nne na nna anyi isi n'ulo dika:
Izacha ezinaulo.
Ichu mmiri.
Iga kpata nku ma o di na mkpa.
Inyere nne ma obu nna aka n'oru ugbo ma obu azumahia.
Odikwa otutu.