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[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=458875.msg8780216#msg8780216 date=1311531080]Physics,

I will understand the emotions of a strange African American demanding apology from a strange African for the losses of slavery. In fact I believe in and I am a proponent of the proposal to create an African reparation settlement for AA. Africa owes them, I don't care how long it has been.

On the other hand, I feel differently and have no belief or support for an apology or reparation or restitution to Biafra or any entity, individual or corporate that fought on the Biafran side.

An apology in our local customs is expressed and translated into the english word "sorry". To the world and international obsevers is an admission of wrongdoing. Admitting wrongdoing then makes you culpable for whatever charges are trumped up against you and the victim then has a legitimate claim to a settlenment for their pain and losses.

Let us not forget, majority Igbo East of the niger has a strong sense of pride and spiritual attachment and for Oshimili, the birth place of Nzeogwu in the Anioma region, than he does for his own soil in umuahia or aba or owerri, or onicha or enugu. Prior to the January 66 coup Oshimili was not a consciously-spirited idea for the Igbo, but Nzeogwu became a hero and after his death his birthplace gained a Biafran status as the home of the brave and was thus elevated into a cultural idea for them. It is indeed reported that majority of the Igbo coup plotters were of Anioma region.

Why would Igbo want apology for Anioma and or any Biafran for the reprisal of a nationwide calculated terror that originated from Anioma Igbos on behalf of the entire Igboland? It was no doubt an Igbo assault given the joy and cheers of Igbo voices jeering and ridiculing the Northerners.

Igbo owe apology to you Mid-Westerners of non-Igbo stock. True talk![/quote]It is an outright stupidity for ill-informed fellow to chat the above in bold. What do you know about Igbo and Asaba history, have you ever been there or lived there?. Was it not in Oshimiri especially Asaba that the first Igbo conference in 1907 was held. Was Asaba dialect not one of the IGBO DIALECTS chosen for the translation of Igbo bible by the missionaries?. It is an exercise in futility for a non IGBO to chat a load of rubbish about Igbo. My guy, give it up.

igbo boy:
physics we dash una igbanke, who wants such inferiority complex people anyway?
If una want agbor take dem too cos dey are bush too.

come and claim oshimili na thunder go fire your yansh

No way, no Igbo territory should be lost to non Igbo areas again.

Mike Mbamaonyeukwu Okiro.
I like the middle name there which is shortened to Mbama.

switch47:
While man chester united was busy showing class, Seattle Sounders FC 0 - 7 Manchester U. Chelsea needed to play as if it was champions league final to put one past a poor less privileged team [b]Malaysian XI 0 - 1 Chelsea [/b]SHAME!! SHAME!! Prepare for another disaster next season!! Chelsea sucks. oya start complaining. chelsea a team of the living dead, chelsea has died finish!!

Chelsea played against a national team and most of them were drawn from the Malaysian under23 team that have destroyed so many countries in the olympic qualifying games. Man U played a mere clubside. That Malaysian team I saw against Chelsea would have beaten Man U hands down.
Please be sensible for once.

Nairaland has contributed a lot to nation building. The major problem is the daily bashing of Ndigbo by the Yorubas. If the Yorubas can stop this bashing, then the sky is the limit for nairaland.

Volcano will erupt in Delta state if a Delta Igbo does not head the govt house at Asaba in 2015.

adejoro75:
Tinubu should also be telling us how/why his candidate did not win in the SW.

But his candidate won in Osun state.

Well done Elechi, always your brothers keepers-that is the Igbo spirit.

To the foreign section please.

He won because it was a one man horse race.

Ogbuefi 1:
@Boko Halal,

1)I have sent what you implied by the word "Igbo", As a true Ika man I know the meaning. The word in reference is "Igborn" meaning slave. However both words are pronounced differently and I suspect that you are an Igbophobist to imagine such a word and compare with the Igbo nation. Igborn and Igbo are completely diferent words and are pronounced differently.Have you ever asked an Ika man what the word "Oba" means in Ika and Igbo generally ? It means a yam rack and in this case the words are pronounced and spelt identically. As an Edo man , you should concern yourself more with the present effort by the Edo historical school that strives to change history by claiming that Edo a slave who saved Prince Ogun ( who became Oba Ewuare) is now a "servant" or that Ubini ( from which Benin is derived from) is derived from a Yoruba word "Ile Ibinu". You at not fit at all to brand Igbo as slaves because in Edo there is a word that sounds like "Igborn"
According to Prof Afigbo and a galaxy of writers of Igbo origin, Igbo is derived from an ancient word which simply means a forest dwelling people. Incidentally in Yoruba , Igbo( pronounced a bit different) is the word for forest.
From my experience I have come to know that some Benin people are even of slave or settler origin especially those who go with the non-hereditary morning greetings like Iyase(Lavbieze) and Ezomor(Lagiesan).It was of recent Ezomo was made hereditary and these being war titles had in their ranks people of diversed origins many of them non Edo(and indeed of slave origin) and in the time of peace many of them became assimilated into such warrior families.

2)Ika like I said earlier refers to everyone of Enuani( Eluali) stock and not just the reduced Ika LGA. I also did say that the Anioma of Enuanilands had for generations shared a strong relationship with the Edo and even some writers have indicated that the moats ( according to Patrick Darling dates between the 9th and 11th century AD in its earliest period) could have been in reaction to pressure from the Enuani neighbours.You wont even find such songs for Urhobos or Afenmais who are of the same Edo speaking stock( like the Benins and Esans).If you share a long relationship with your neighbours , there is always that tendency for you to call such a person your "brother", There are evn songs which connects for instance the Igala kingdom to Benin including words derived from such relationship or between Benin and Ife which the Edos call "Uhe", The Igbo clans you mentioned ie Ngwa and Abriba are to the far east of Igboland and I tell you that we never shared anything with them and there are corresponding social issues these Igbo communities would have with their Ibibio neighbours or what the Nsukka people will have with their Igala neighbours.What you dont know is that communities especially those along the borders were indifferent about identity and what we have now is a legacy of the colonialists.
It was also this legacy that led to the killing of many Ika ( and Anioma) people in Benin City which ought to be the city of their "brother", Events however have changed all of that.

3) Majority of Ika being of Edo origin, This is a theory because no one is sure of course about the composition of the population.While it is true that there is a strong Edo presence in the ancestry of Ikas, there is also a strong Eastern Igbo presence and what anybody will tell you is simply influenced by politics. Some who favour Eastern Igbo identity and origin , those Benin origin will be dismissed , others who feel that they are not "Core Igbos" will favour an Edo origin. Let me give a simple example, In the early records , Abavo was said to have founded by Eastern Igbo migrants who were later joined by Edo and Anioma groups. But this is no longer the case as the story has been reversed to say that Abavo people came from Benin and was joined by Igbo people. In Agbor where there is a period of myth surrounding the origin of the aborigines, it is a divided issue amongst the Agbor people themselves.I will therefore advice that no one should rush into any conclusion.
As far as I am concerned , these claims most of which is baseless and imagined is just a show off by the Edos whose intent is to resurrect the old imperial period. At one time these people made a claim that Igbanke was derived from Igbon Ake or Ake slaves .In other words it was Ake a Benin chieftain that placed the slaves on "Benin territory", A claim which is laughable and unfounded.Though only two out of the 6 subclans of Igbanke claim Anioma origin, they make up over half the population. In Owa and the Ute clans , the Edo element is small. I earlier gave the situation in Owa clan. In Agbor there are aboriginal( which is a matter of debate), Edo and Igbo lineages, In Igbodo there are Edo and Igbo lineages.In Mbiri, Idumesah, Otolokpo and even Umunede it is also same situation. In Akumazi , it is completely of Igbo( Anioma ) origin.It is therefore wrong to jump into any conclusion.
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@Negro_Ntns
1) One of the problem you have is ignorance and you have remained to be ignorant and really it's your choice.If you call my write ups "Propanganda" its just your choice as well. I am not bothered about that. What is even more disturbing is your show of ignorance here, Ask any Edo, Akure or Owo person who is vast in history if there have never been any wars between these three states.It was customary in those days for states to recruit in their ranks people that may not be of native origin.Benins were experts in this. For instance in Ugbodu(an Anioma) is a qtr called "Ologhosa". According to traditional history , Oba Ehengbuda of Benin had invaded Anioma communities looting and carting people as slaves but the Olukwumi towns of Ugbodu and Ukwunzu struck a deal with the Oba to act as military outposts or spies for the Benin Kingdom.One of Oba Ehengbuda trusted warrior was one Ologun who is of Owo origin( now see the case in reverse) and he was ask to settle in Ugbodu where his descendants constitute the Ologhosa qtr while a shrine named after the Oba was intalled at Ukwunzu.Thus these two towns became sites which the Edos could use to invade other Anioma communities and demand for tributes.
2) Like I say before Agbontaen is no match to me as it relates to the Ika and Anioma people as well as their history and civilization because he has from the beginning chosen to be biased about certain issues which I usually present to him. Of course the word "Igbo" was adopted from somewhere just as the word "Yoruba " was used in reference to the Old Oyo Empire(now used for all Yoruba speaking peoples).It was not even of Yoruba but of Nupe origin. Agbontaen's thought is politically influenced , now while politics is a factor in anthropology , it must be handled in such a manner that you dont get biased with it. I asked him a simple question, What do the Ika people call themselves , Is it not Eluali ? I am yet to receive any reply because he knows his case has no solid foundation.
3)I will repeat that word that you are ignorant, why ? Because the little story I gave on the estalishment and origin of some Igbo towns is just in reference to the Anioma area, which to start with is not even within the Old Eastern Region. When you talk about migrants, Nri or Igbo , I dont think it should be based on the foundation of Anioma towns itself which have been proven to have been established by Igbo, Edo, Yoruba, Igala and even migrants of Ijaw and Isoko origin. But there are substantial evidence that Igboland had been continously been inhabited for over 8,000 years.I will urge you to read more about Igbos on wikipedia.The Nri ascendancy came up in the 9th century AD and quickly established itself throughout the Igbo area and it was also from Nri that the earliest groups of people settled in Aniomaland ie Ani Ekei( in Ubulu Uku) in about 900 AD.Nri has nothing to do with Ife or Benin , besides the art works of Igbo Ukwu which was under Nri hegemony predates those of Benin or Ife. It therefore cannot be an offshoot of those places.
Igbos donot hide the fact that they are of diversed origins but this is the case everywhere.This have been proven genetically.The Igbo language ie West Benue Congo a sub family which Edo, Yoruba, Igala, Idoma , Gbagyi , Ebirra and Nupe are also members .In other words the people speaking these closely related languages could ultimately share one identity and this is why I dont take these ethnographic divisions amongst our people in the South of Nigeria very seriously.Talbot in one of his books thinks Igbo have some elememnts of Bantu which I also think is the case and this connects Igbos to the people of the old Cross River State.We are really one.

I will for the time being suspend my posts here , Why ? Because the message has already been sent .The issue is whether people accept or reject it, Of course we all have choices to make, Ultimately , it will not change anything or our path to our collective destiny. What I will not tolerate is for anyone to insult another because he thinks he has that master stroke with that. If not for the unguarded statements of Physics on an individual Omonuan( who is aggrieved especially if you consider that he has Edo ancestry though assimilated as Igbo) , I will not be bothered with the rubbish Agbontaen is posting here because his position cannot be superior over that of his king the Obi of Owa.
Who knows , it could be that Omonuan lost some of his relatives in Benin.I almost lost mine if not for God's grace.
Let me note here that I dont hate any group of persons.My reaction initially was when Physics attempted to call Igbos "cannibals" which to me is the most uncivil . Of course you cant expect me not to repackage his insults on Benins and their monarchy.A word is enough for the wise.

God bless you. May you and your lineage live very long, nwannemadu.

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=458875.msg8748293#msg8748293 date=1311099571]Andre,
Given your narratie above, I'm beginning to think Igbo is actually an offshoot of the Yoruba race. It explains why finding and placing your root has been so difficult; ts because we are looking for a far away ancient civilization when in fact we should be looking at Old Oyo to track and define your migrant path.

I shall do the tracking. . . . .and trust me, I will find a home for you within the Yoruba ancestry.[/quote]It may be the other way round as Nri is older than the Oyo you are chatting here.
Having said that, I strongly advice you to quit this thread as you have not got nothing reasonable to contribute but to create division. Run.

The poster you quoted claimed that there is no fake or real Igbo. Is it true or not and spare your long sermon.

[quote author=some-girl link=topic=400813.msg8747900#msg8747900 date=1311095591]no such thing is fake or real igbo. If you speak any igbo dialect and bear an igbo name, you're igbo.[/quote]Well done.

@The moderators and supermoderators, who moved the thread below from politics section to tribalism section?.
Defend yourselves.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-715737.32.html

@Agbontaen. There are so many similarities between Igbo and Bini. Omonuan-a Delta Igbo has listed up to two pages of that on another trade. Dreadlocks which you listed as dada is not Igbo nor Bini but borrowed from the Yorubas. Due to the nearness of some Ika villages to Bini, they have acquired some bini words into their dialect. It is common.  In the same manner, some Idoma people close to Nsukka have acquired Igbo words to enrich their language. My post earlier goes a long way to highlight the fact that a lot of Igbo villages have different names from the supposedly Igbo words. For example, in my own Isinweke community, maize is called Ukworu, but we are not insane to disclaim Igbo as maize in Igbo is called oka.
On Ohanaeze, you got it totally wrong. Every Eze does not belong to Ohanaeze. But each Igbo state and territory has Ezes/Igwes/Obis who represent them at the upper chamber of Ndieze in Ohanaeze. From Anioma, your representatives are: Obi of Ogwashi-Ukwu, Prof Okonjo-the father of Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala and Prof Chike Edozien-The Ahaba of Asaba. Mind you, the Obi of Akumazi is an Ika man and has always been present in all Ohanaeze functions.
Mind you Agbontaen that your fellow Ika-Ogbuefi1 has warned you to desist from turning Aniomaland to Rivers state where every community is an ethnic nationality. Listen to him.

bokohalal:
They can count on Edo moral support for sure. We know the difference between Ika(Eka) and Igbo.No true Ika would like to be labelled `Igbo`, which is a corruption of an uncomplimentary descriptive Edo word.

Shut up, eediot.

Please, please stop all this insults on GEJ.

Agbontaen, you lack creativity. This same crap you have been posting since one year now has not changed even a word. Just as there are numerous dialects in Yorubaland so it is in Igboland. I can understand 75-80% of what you posted. But have a look at mine from Isinweke. Yet we do not deny our Igbo heritage.
Man-Okobrinwoko.
Fat-uduburu
nkpoko-bed
mainroad-ogidiala
sweet-ucho.
to flog-igha hye
Shoe-Agbagha
Play-uro
cloth-nwi
to kick-nteleukwu
dream-egugo
anger-oghughobi
More soon.

Chelsea fans, R. Lukaku or D. Sturridge-Whom do you prefare

namfav:
thats because it seems the south east thinks it has the power to solve everything but has no solutions it can't solve its own internal issue like ritualism, baby factories and that types of things, it was the ibo elders running their mouths on the weekend now it is your governors, maybe you got a big head because the jtf head in the region is from your tribe and you think the ibo holds the key to this problem, thats what you think

i have no problem if the south east has a good solution, but it does not, thats the reality

Coming here to chat crap is not the solution either, you should be more involved with something like this man in the pic than opening your mouth on issues that has nothing to do with you. Stop it boy.