₦airaland Forum

Blyss: LOL, SA just got their azz's handed to them by a bunch of hoodlems in CAR. You fools are just as bad as the Nigerian military.

nig2change: I must commend Andrewza. I like ur response to issues concerning being South Africa but you must be objective to some issues. I feel Africa was brought into lamelight by the interest of China. Technology was made cheap and easy to transfer by the chinese unlike the west who wants conditions such as good governance, devaluation of currency, support of brentton woods policy, interference with sovereignty. As such all countries have to protect their interest. China has done for Africa than our colonial masters especially britian. But Andrewza, I think your fear is that China economic tsunami in Africa is threatening South Africa position as economic power before Nigeria takes over.

agaugust: stop lying against me, I insist I did NOT start the country bashing, a south African started it with the post I quoted above, he called Nigeria a land currently producing slaves, or is that a compliment ? I retaliated in defense of Nigeria after a south Africans provocation by @sithwell. Go check page 168 and confirm.

It would have been better if you had defended against the claim than launch a attack, just saying


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nig2change: South African defence union expresses doubt on SA ability to fight M23 rebels. http://m.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/?articleId=8615598

CAMEROONPRIDE: CAMEROON IS A TINY NATION IN AN UNSTABLE REGION..WE ARE SURROUNDED BY UNSTABLE COUNTRIES...AND THOUSANDS OF REFUGEES ENTER EVERYDAY , SO WE NEED TO KNOW THE NATIONALS, I MEAN WE NEED A CLEAR DISTINCTION....I DON'T WANT TO B XENOPHOBIC.BUT REFUGEES WITH NO SKILLS
/WORK ,DON'T HAVE A GOOD IMPACT ON THE ECONOMY/ SOCIETY..AND WILL EASILY COMMIT CRIMES.

DictatorZAR: Now the mail and gaurdian including timeslive.co.za is a mainly oposition party newspaper and site in from SA, so what's the difference.

I didn't see any flag that was claimed anywhere in rebels show me.

There are hundreds of different stories out there about SANDF mainly from those DA led sites and former SADF members that says SA should not get involved in AU/UN missions in Africa and that they should focus on SA and leave african nations to solve there own problems.

It seems you know totally nothing about SA and the background politics at play especially the words coming from few whites who want SA to support only US/EU foreign policy issues and close of SA's borders and allow other african nation to be on there own. There's to many fools in our civil society even from gender violence groups calling for SANDF troop to even withdraw from DRC because as they say "we are thousands of KM from them and we have no business with these people and the rest of Africa".

I can post you 100's of links where such comments are posted even to the point where they even try and justify that SA aren't part of the rest of Africa.

Bro you know nothing if I post these things here you and other african brothers would hate SA people.

Henry120: Yeah, tell me another story. More facts about what exactly, you got dis armed of your pick up trucks in battle. Your troops ran away, leaving your trucks behind.

CAMEROONPRIDE: Exactly what I told to andrewza, don't poke your nose in stuffs you can't understand...don't intervene when you don't know the social realities.

BTW I hate SANDF...now we have +3000 New CAR refugees in Cameroon.smh..people should learn to mind their business the way we do ahaha...

Henry120: You even have the will, to continue responding to that ignorant buffoon.

Henry120: This just showing your high level stu*pid*ity.

Let me educate your insignificant brain, defence and defence industry are an integral part of a country's development. Economic well-being. We have seen it with the meteoric rise of china and subsequent rise of their defence spending.

South africa with a developed homegrown defence industry spends 4 billion dollars a year

Nigeria with a rapidly growing defence industry spends 3 billion dollars a year

The south african economy/GDP is just over 400 billion USD

That of nigeria is about 350 billion usd/ GDP

The world's average spending on defence is 1.7-2 billion dollars.

Both nigeria and south africa have about 50 billion dollars in foreign reserves. With a defence spending which is above the world's average and a high foreign reserve nigeria, south africa can independently take on and defeat in combat many middle class european countries.

Economy
Defence spending
Home grown defence
Foreign reserves

So my friend, this is not a feel good thread. However I do not expect your insignificant brain to be able to process what I have said. So I fully expect you to continue displaying your ignorance.

agaugust:


need to remind you that nigerian type 056 warship is year 2013 technology, while south african valour is 2006 technology, a gap of 7 years.

we cannot decide on internet here which warship will win a battle when they both meet in real war, not photo/data analysis on nairaland. real military men know that the real test of any weapon is in real war. south africa just learned this lesson in CAR by the hands of rebels (i hope they really learnt the lesson by experience)

i dont need to repeat again that warships dont win battle because of hull size or traveling fuel range or number of crew on board. a ship sinks another ship only with the guns and missiles it fires. much of the winner will depend on the ships captains in command. try to read history of naval sea combat ship vs ship. the captain's intelligence and skill will determine the winner when two ships with the same weapons clash for war.

nigerian navy officers have trained in the best military academies of the world and also practice with the bests top 5 world navies. we just ended a war game with Spain's navy last month. we do a lot with indian navy, and nigerian navy personnel are in pakistani navy now for submarine training even though we dont have one, nigerian navy is training with pakistani navy submarines. nigerian navy has very well trained officers and men.


"Type 056 corvette also features strong electromagnetic compatibility and a wide application of advanced technologies."

weblink source : http://www.naval-technology.com/news/newschina-navy-receives-first-type-056-jiangdao-class-frigate

i am sure the chinese navy did not email details of the ships technology to your inbox, or did they ?

the best navy is the most balanced navy with both powerful deep water ships and shallow water ships, and in africa only the nigerian navy has that excellent balance.

what is the use of a navy with major strength in deep waters of the ocean? deep ocean is no man's land by international law, ruling those waters is a waste of time in this modern times. any nation that disrupts

international shipping in deep ocean waters will be attacked by united nations task force to save world economy's import/export shipping business.

nigeria is okay with the two incoming new Type 056 light frigates 95m and the new two or four incoming Pipav frigates 110m (cash already paid for first two ships), beacuse international law says every nations territorial waters is only 22km away from its coast out into the sea. google it and confirm the ocean territory law.

as long as nigerian navy can take care of its territorial waters from coast to ocean limit 22km, no problem.

nigerian navy's coming type 056 light frigate has range of 3,700km and 20 days endurance enough to sail the whole distance of west african coast, and nigeria's bigger Pipav built frigates will have range of about 6,000km to sail down to south africa's cape town ! what else are we looking for ?

have you observed that nigerian type 056 ship has more torpedoes than the south african valour ship ?

the type 056 is built with extra focus on anti-submarine capability to protect china from american navy threats in
south china sea.

nigerian navy also paid for two new and bigger frigate warships with open order for four warships in total, and these are similar to russian tiger class stealth frigates.

full weapons details still not released to public by nigerian navy HQ, but it is confirmed a Indian clone of Russian Tiger Class frigates, and much of its building will be sub-contrated to other countries probably including australia for stealth capabilities. Typical Tiger warships have size 110m and with more missiles and bigger more powerful longer range 100mm gun than south african valour frigates 76mm gun, plus 6 anti-submarine missiles and 8 anti-submarine torpedoes putting all south african submarines in very great d.anger. NATO says Tiger warships are too large to be called corvettes and therefore classified as frigates by NATO itself. lets wait for the Pipav frigates full details to be released fron nigerian navy HQ.

nigerian navy is a match for the south african navy with all these new weapons we have paid for, and the list is growing fast as nigeria builds a massive modern blue water/deep ocean navy to match its world status as the best and most powerful brown water/shallow water navy in the whole world.

i think i am done with navy comparison, i dont think i need to proceed with a simulated navy to navy war senario.
i have said enough already.


remember south africa's new military lesson from CAR rebels humiliating attack. never under estimate your enemy

mens dept: And so? Even America sends folks to train even in the jungle. Fact remains no African country is strong thus this thread is just to falsely make some folks feel relevant

mens dept: None of these AFrican countries can even beat middle of the road European countries.

Lets refocus on building our dayum roads and not these "feel good" threads that deceive only you fools.

patriot4: I don't know I haven't been in the barracks since I was 7. Some say your soldiers are brutal. Is it true ?

patriot4: Our training as well is all local. We only send few officers as "foreign students", all armies do that, I bet even SA.
India sends officers as "foreign students" to Nigeria as well. It is a common practice. You learn the methods of other armies.

patriot4: Why is SA against israel ?

patriot4: We don't want the bad publicity of striking our neighbours with drones, it's not good for business.

patriot4: French war ships are not in the gulf of guinea, at least they don't come without invitation. In the case of Niger, did you ask yourself if we didn't actually ask for the drone base to help us fight the terrorists when they hide in neighbouring countries ? French troops on the ground: the francophones are still french puppets, what can we do about that ? We created ECOWAS, we wanted to help them get rid of francs cfa, but they refused.

Henry120: This APC has camera's( thermal and night vision capabilities) around it and a monitor inside.

Post a photo of the APC, you are talking about.