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train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he would not depart from it - proverbs 22:6

otuwe:
then why is Telly B always asking horus this question

i have seen this particular question for like ten times through out this religion forum. why is Telly B always asking horus that? ?? ? /

i think he finds it rather strange that anybody would think jesus was black. i think he feels a certain anger, like saying jesus was black is like trying to humiliate the person of jesus. well thats the way i see it sha oh.

but i think he should not break a sweat, whether jesus was black, white, purple or green shouldn't be the focus, but rather what jesus came to teach (whatever colour that jesus is)

Dios:
Ok that sentence is senseless.

ok then let me break it down for you.

1. speaking in tongues may not make any sense to you, but it does to the poster.

2. perhaps if the poster comes back to the earthly realm instead of remaining in the spiritual, then you would understand him better (cos then he would be speaking the language you understand )

so is the sentence still senseless to you?

Esss:
Church Services boring?? , What an understatement, The whole thing is not just boring, but also annoying. You sit there and a pastor is trying to shove his own understanding of the bible down your troath and if you dare argue you are a sinner. And they must end with their favourite line "dig your hands into your pocket and give your widows mite, or "challange God with your offering", or "sow a seed faith". Back in the dayz when I was in Nigeria, I will walk out during service and just sit in a corner with some boys and smoke the whole service away. The end point of every service is give us your money, repent or go to hell, Jesus is coming tomorrow, someone is plotting/sending evil forces against you and die by fire. And in the evening, they expect you to attend house fellowship.

^{I don't go to church anymore} _{except for christmas day just to hear the choir sing some hynms.}

I'd rather be sleeping on sunday morning.

this is just too funny!!!

@ pilgrim.1,

my dear, i never go anywhere oh, i'm just chilling to hear your reply.

@ enitan2002,

so you are in a serious relationship and you are proposing to pilgrim, don't let madam enitan2002 find out oh!! and hey, polygamy is not too nice oh

otuwe:
ahhhhh na fight
are we quarelling?

me sef wonder oh!! enitan2002 relax oh

freelance:
This is very funny! I hope nobody actually follows these biblical examples!!!!

It’s all good.


This can't be from the holy bible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but they are really
from the Holy Book, the Bible

1. Find an attractive prisoner of war, bring her home, shave her
head, trim her nails, and give her new clothes. Then she's yours.
-- (Deuteronomy 21:11-13)


2. Find a prostitute and marry her.  
-- Hosea (Hosea 1:1-3)


3. Find a man with seven daughters, and impress him by watering his
flock.
-- Moses (Exodus 2:16-21)


4. Purchase a piece of property, and get a woman as part of the deal.

-- Boaz (Ruth 4:5-10)


5. Go to a party and hide. When the women come out to dance, grab one
and carry her off to be your wife.
-- Benjaminites (Judges 21:19-25)


6. Have God create a wife for you while you sleep. Note: this will
cost you a rib.
-- Adam (Genesis 2:19-24)


7. Agree to work seven years in exchange for a woman's hand in
marriage. Get tricked into marrying the wrong woman. Then work
another seven years for the woman you wanted to marry in the first
place. That's right. Fourteen years of toil for a woman.  
-- Jacob (Genesis 29:15-30)


8. Cut off 200 foreskins off of your future father-in-law's enemies
and get his daughter for a wife.  
-- David (I Samuel 18:27)


9. Even if no one is out there, just wander around a bit and you'll
definitely find someone. (It's all relative of course.)
-- Cain (Genesis 4:16-17)


10. Become the emperor of a huge nation and hold a beauty contest.  
-- Xerxes or Ahasuerus (Esther 2:3-4)


11. When you see someone you like, go home and tell your parents, "I
have seen a , woman; now get her for me." If your parents question
your decision, simply say, "Get her for me. She's the one for me."  
-- Samson (Judges 14:1-3)


12. Kill any husband and take HIS wife. (Prepare to lose your son
though).
-- David (2 Samuel 11)


13. Wait for your brother to die. Take his widow. (It's not just a
good idea, it's the law).
-- Onan and Boaz (Deuteronomy or Leviticus, example in Ruth)


14. Don't be so picky. Make up for quality with quantity.
-- Solomon (1 Kings 11:1-3)


15. A wife?, NO WAY!!!
-- Paul (1 Corinthians 7:32-35

What ya think

LMAO the wonder about a bit one (like cain) is more common these days i think.

Dios:
@Aproko
What's aproko anyway?

i'm glad you don't know the meaning of aproko

Dios:
Speaking in tongues doesn't make any sense whatsoever. You go on this big tongue twister rampage but you can't explain what it means because "its the spiritual realm" right? Well do me a favour, both of y'all need to move to the spiritual realm.

fine it doesn't make any sense to you, but it does to the poster. more like the poster should come back to the earthly realm so you can make sense of his speaking in tongues right?

Dios:
When it comes back tell the holy spirit i said wassssssssssssssssssssssssuppppppppppppppppppppp in tongues.

perhaps he'll do just that

@ poster,

keep praisng the Lord and doing his will, and the holy spirit will go nowhere. so try to make your body which is the temple of the holy spirit very habitable for the holy spirit.

Seun:
What does "black Jesus" have to do with the topic?

i wonder!!!

otuwe:
*who is black jesus ?*

some people believe jesus christ was black

LMAO




_{please don't let them sack me from work oh!i'm rolling on the floor with laughter}

Outbreed:
LOL. I have one of those too, but I can't imagine what that would be like. Hopefully one day I'll find out (and then come back here to tell you all about it).

you know they say home is where the heart is, and where the heart is is usually where you have laid your treasure. so i try so hard to focus on the positive and lay my treasures in heaven so that i dont have to bother about hell. and somehow, i dont think i'm living in denial either.

perhaps you could try that. i'm sure it will be a better place than that hell! , but if you insist on checking out both places, start with heaven!

[quote author=Paw-Paw link=topic=68784.msg1332818#msg1332818 date=1185553358]Oloshi did I ask for your advice,[/quote]pastor paw-paw!! which one you dey curse person? man of God no dey curse oh, na bless e dey bless!

Outbreed:
Maybe that's just my hell though.

quite an interesting hell you have!! perhaps you should trade it for a heaven!!

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=68216.msg1323715#msg1323715 date=1185359406]Joker of the day. You're such a late arrival - there are many who have expressed the same thing and gathered some followers around them; and yet they still couldn't meet their own desires for themselves.[/quote]word!!

_{why do i always agree with you these days?}

smile11s:
Th earlier you believe in me, Quicker you reach your destiny.

I am coming, soon,

you are starting to sound more and more like a false prophet!!

[quote author=Paw-Paw link=topic=68784.msg1331820#msg1331820 date=1185537150]If you visit Nigeria in the next 3months I will make sure you go to Heaven. Though I can't garrantee it but with lots of prayer you will be surprised.[/quote]LMAO now how do you make sure of something you can't guarantee? _{this is so funny}

rowlandwhy:
A P R O K O,
Take am easy
spare the babe abi na guy!

haba rowlandwhy, wetin i do? i just dey talk my own oh!! i no fit shout!

[quote author=Paw-Paw link=topic=68411.msg1331844#msg1331844 date=1185537551]I have a church and mine is not boring at all.[/quote]dats for the flock to say.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=58742.msg1328920#msg1328920 date=1185465544]@Aproko,

As for you, girlfriend. . . I promise to do you back O! No escape for you and otuwe at all! [/quote]haba, you just got a man to bend his knees on nairaland and you are still thinking of me and otuwe??

dont worry luv, we have no where to escape to, so we would have to wait for you.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=58742.msg1328920#msg1328920 date=1185465544]You too slow! See how Grail Message dey connect people? [/quote]abi oh, dem go soon begin call me mama go slow!!

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=58742.msg1328920#msg1328920 date=1185465544]It's just a little something that I might bring to your attention, though: if he changes the figures in his username to 200[b]7[/b] (or upgrade to 200[b]8[/b]) then we go click. The year/figure 200[b]2[/b] is not so it, don't you think? But that wouldn't be such a problem, would it?[/quote]infact, you are feeling me!! 2002 is so not it. ;Dhow can he name himself the past when the future is right there? maybe 2008 or 2009 (_{when you guys might walk down the aisle} )

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=58742.msg1328920#msg1328920 date=1185465544]Girlfriend, you pay your taxes, don't you? Oya answer quick-quick before I vex for you! [/quote]sweetie na naija i dey oh, they pay taxes for me, i dont do it willingly. so na ya turn to answer!

_{this is just too funny}

@ enitan2002,

but you've proposed to pilgrim already!! let her answer first.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=68411.msg1327257#msg1327257 date=1185440495]@Soundmind and All,

All or most of those things may be happening in church, but none of them can fill the heart of a spiritually thirsty person. Until the Church rediscovers her spiritual identity, we can go on adding more ideas, activities and programmes to keep the status quo of 'lively church(es)' and still come away with the same spiritual dryness.

Let no one suppose that the poster/originator of the thread deliberately loses interest in Church - at least he was speaking the mind of most of us in as simply and honestly can be. Pastors need to be rediscovering themselves and their God-ordained calling before they can hope to lead people to the presence of the living God.

What do we have in most of our churches today? If it's not marriage and romance seminar, it's the latest revelation on how God 'spoke' to someone on how to raise some funds for a 'vision' (please read 'project' - church building, pastors' promotion, etc). We need to start asking more germane questions:

What is Church?

What is spirituality?

What is worship?

If people substitute their ideas for the Biblical understanding of issues like that, then anything will be the order of the day. Late last year, a friend came home unusually earlier from their normally 3 to 4 hours church service. Surprised, I asked her what the matter was. Believe it or not, her response was that they couldn't hold 'service' that Sunday because the musical instruments were locked up in one of the houses of the music leaders - and he was not back from his travel before that sunday! This is not making up stories - it is an example of some of the silly things we've built our ideas on!

Of course, there are other silly reasons that make shock some of us. But when was the last time or how long ago did anyone hear a soul-searching teaching in Church on the Cross, repentance from hypocrisies (especially of those in high positions who are involved in holy 419), etc.?

Fact is, Church in many quarters is boring - and until we go down on our knees and seek the face of God, it will be futile trying to make up for the spiritual paucity with mere activities and programmes. Nothing can be substituted for the REALITY of presence of the living GOD![/quote]word!!

@ poster,

perhaps you are tired of the 'how to get rich quickly' and 'how to find a good spouse' sermon, plus testimonies upon testimonies of how their lives were transformed, never how they transformed the lives of others!!

try going to a church where the pastor is really called to lead. just one service, and you would understand that standing on the pulpit is a calling and not a profession.

enitan2002:
are you now ready to be mine?,
am on my kneels pleading

na wah oh!! proposal on religion thread, not even on romance!!!! ha enitan 2002 you sabi act home video oh!

@ pilgrim.1,
oya o, we dey wait your answer!! you could be mrs enitan 2002, you know and since you are already re-reading the Grail Message

davidylan:
the promised land is Africa? ride on mr comedian!

hey, whats wrong with africa being the promised land? hey there's milk and honey back in africa you know

Donzman:
When I want to fall and scream out "Chineke", I fall but I do not get injured so I say that is the name!

lol oh yes oh.

but have you tried screaming out amadioha?

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=64699.msg1323664#msg1323664 date=1185358736]What is this hogwash you came back with? Where have I insinuated the G. Bush political adventures in my repostes? The one thing that amazes me with this kind of lazy thinking that you acclaim for your passions is that people like you fail to lift p your eyes and see issues for what they really are and then make a quick skit on blame everything on G. Bush![/quote]read your post then you'd get my point! why did you give an assumption of iran using weapons? why not the US?

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=64699.msg1323664#msg1323664 date=1185358736]How many of the dastardly acts by jihadists could you count on your finger tips for your passionate blame-it-on-G-Bush apologetics? Where were you when the same jihadists were busy letting off their bombs on others with no connection to the overblown and  ready excuse of 9-11? Please come back and show me the connecting dots with the Sudan crises and G. Bush's so-called vendetta. The Pakistani case with the Hudood laws which they use against their own citizens? And the Afghanis who are all to happy to do 'Allah's pleasure without a single thought thereto as to whoever G-Bush is?[/quote]my dear, when you assume all bad must come from the islam, then i want you to look again. that is my point.g. bush is the least of my problems, he was simply a ready example.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=64699.msg1323664#msg1323664 date=1185358736]We're talking about what Islam is in its true colour and you're making such a spin off already because you just can't resist the temptation to bring in your anti-Bush crash course into it. Don't humour me further on that, please. The one thing I often offer people like you is the same one thing you political correctness will ever refuse to do: pick up the Qur'an and Hadiths, check out the references offered, carefully go through the meanings that Muhammad himself claimed upon those same verses - and then let's discuss! What has George Bush got to do with the Hadiths and the Qur'an?[/quote]again, bush is not my problem, but when you classify every muslim as a terrorist is where i will point out to you that terrorism is not only setting off a bomb and hijacking planes.

oh yeah, i am reading the koran right now, and even the life and times of mohammed, and as yet i have failed to see that the koran offers only bad.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=64699.msg1323664#msg1323664 date=1185358736]You amaze me Aproko. In a hilarious twist of event you've only confirmed and established my summations while thinking you have a case against them! I deliberately left you a sinker and you swallowed it wholesale - America was warned about 9-11 long before it happened: and that is just the shape of things that we could hope for with the sort of "political correctness" you've been shlepping all along! Go figure. [/quote]no i'm not sinking at all! you insist the peaceloving muslims cry out only after the act is done, and i wanted you to tell me how to cry out before a disaster. even when there are warnings, dreams, visions, how many people take them serious?

a poster on nairaland said he had a dream that a plane was going to crash, and what response did he get?

my point which you just dont get is that you can't blame the acts of a group of bandits on the whole islam community and the koran!!

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=64699.msg1323664#msg1323664 date=1185358736]I don't suppose you know the first letter about Islam, and it wouldn't help until you've had a good grasp on what you're proposing. First, I wasn't quoting a magazine in reference to the ISLAMIC tenet of BREAKING treaties with IMPUNITY!! Do you care to settle down and weigh the meaning of that statement? That dishonest and hideous practice that you feel to sweep under as "anybody can" is the very bane of the failed attempt to make peace with Muslims in the middle East! They make a treaty with you and then go behind and break it wih IMPUNITY - does that speak to you about the question of moral decency and honest relations? What would you say if someone else comes along as thereby claim that Muslims can't be trusted for such attitudes to TREATIES?!? Please, Aproko try and open your eyes and READ Islam for what it is; and not for what you're supposing it 'might' mean what you can't defend.[/quote]again pilgrim.1, anybody can!

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=64699.msg1323664#msg1323664 date=1185358736]Please don't pretend to read that into my rejoinder. Unless English has lost its meaning, I pointed out that my posts have nothing to do with either "tit-for-tat" or your pun on "eye for an eye".[/quote]i just wonder why you made reference to muslims insulting jesus in their post! you need not have mentioned it at all, so you caused the confusion dearie.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=64699.msg1323664#msg1323664 date=1185358736]I had Muslim and Christian friends (besides 1 radical atheist) before I came to know the Lord Jesus Christ as my Saviour - and I still have many Muslim friends up until now. The ones we hang out with may not be "fundamentalists"; but if you want to discuss the real face of Islam without the facade and cosmetics, take up my challenge and go live in the acclaimed "Islamic countries" of those places I offered you - nothing more or less. Sitting in the comfy zones and holding attempting to discuss what you haven't a grasp on is not going to wash until you have some substance to your persuasions.[/quote]i lived amongst them my dear, indeed i did! again i'll reiterate my position, not all muslims are fundamntalist!

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=64699.msg1323664#msg1323664 date=1185358736]With all respect to your profession, does legal practice begin and end with making propositions that refuse to look at documented evidence? Would it be too much to ask that you reserve your arguments until after you've read the Qur'an and the Hadiths and see what I've been discussing or debating? Has legal practice been redefined in such a way as to look the other way and refuse to consider the very spirit, motive and claims being made by "the other party" right in their very revered books?[/quote]my dear, if you read my post you'd understand that i try to sway people to my side without them loosing their sense of self!! it doesn't mean i'm looking the other way, it simply means i'm showing you a place you may never have looked!

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=64699.msg1323664#msg1323664 date=1185358736]No matter how you try to present issues to a typical Muslim mindset, he has a default ideology to reject everything you say wholesale - be that ever so nice as you may. I don't go out of my way to make the "other party" lose their sense of self - nevermind that is the very thing they do on their own websites![/quote]really pilgrim.1, there are muslims who convert to christainity and all other religions!! it takes a person to want to change, a person can only change if they want to or if they see reason to! so sometimes their default ideology could change!!

you know paul had to pass through his own experiences before he turned his life around! so did you, and so will others! the best you can do really besides praying for those you'd want to see cross the fence, is not to treat them the way they treat you, its to treat them better than they treat you. if their website tries to incite hate, let yours only show love. don't match their angry words with angry words of your own. your expected change would happen, but certainly not overnight and i get this feeling you'd prefer it to happen overnight!!! it may for some, but not for all.

cheers.

davidylan:
while aproko is busy debating issues she knows little or nothing about otuwe has decided to throw in the towel.
A very interesting bunch of sisters.

there you go again!!!!

not advertising dear. have fun reading. am not going nowhere. the Grail Message leaves no gaps or loopholes! non absolutely

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=64699.msg1321667#msg1321667 date=1185298432]@Aproko,

This simply tells me that you don't read issues at all in the real world. Let me guess: suppose the president of Iran had used his missile against America and afterwards the Muslim clerics come out hypocritically to "denounce" such "barbaric" acts, wuld you still be crying the same tune? Now, he has not used it (and pray he does not) - but what are the same Muslim clerics saying already - are they in support of it or against it? Please come back and categorically deny this and let me offer you some video clips to watch and convince yourself on the matter. You surprise me because you are arguing merely from hypothesis that are strangely far from reality.[/quote]this simply tells me that you have been brainwashed by the Bush vendetta against the islamic countries!now dont get me started on that one cos this is an issue am particularly passionate about!!!
so Mr. George Bush is the one that would not use his missiles against iran right? oh so holy g. bush and america! now why are you not in iraq fighting against the use of those weapons of mass destruction? why are the bush twins partying and getting drunk instead of fighting in iraq? where indeed are those weapons of mass destruction? wasting precious lives just to feed americas ego!!pls dont give me that crap of missiles my dear cos it would so not fly!!

hypothesis far from reality?now pray tell, are there no reports stating that america was warned on the 9/11 doom? did bush or anybody in charge take it serious enough?my point again dear pilgrim.1 is that there are peace loving muslims who would cry foul after an act has been done simply because that is when they were aware!! until the recording by the french brothers, please did anyone have the full clips of the attack on the wtc?did you not see that attacks and all the hijacks you've been preaching endlessly on tv and the internet or those video clips of yours? why didn't you cry out before the attack on the wtc since you are the campaign manager against muslims? why are you screaming on nairaland after all these attacks? oh please!!! those without guilt should indeed cast the first stone!!

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=64699.msg1321667#msg1321667 date=1185298432]Diplomacy means nothing to the Muslim middle East. Why do you think that Islam believes in making treaties and BREAKING the same with impunity?[/quote]making treaties and braking them is a sign of incredibility my dear and not islam!! anybody can make and break treaties my dear! and i mean anybody!!

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=64699.msg1321667#msg1321667 date=1185298432]You may want to read it in the other verbiage "tit-for-tat" - and that is simply way off course in what I'm stating.[/quote]tit for tat right? yet another interesting english language coined to blanket a wrong!! really i dont do tit for tat, i can't remember Jesus Christ encouraging me to do that! and to think that i am only a PC christain like davidylan would say _{(whatever that means)}, that means if a PC christain would not tit for tat, i expect more from those non PC christains

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=64699.msg1321667#msg1321667 date=1185298432]"Perhaps", you say? Please Aproko, do me the favour of entering into a diplomatic discussion with a Muslim whichever way you want to present yourself and your views; then come back with situational report as to whether or not they care who you are or want them to see you as.[/quote]oh they care quite alright! i have muslim friends. in fact my closest roommates at the Law School were muslims! but i dont have fundamentalist friends in whatever religion, so need of such discussion!!!

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=64699.msg1321667#msg1321667 date=1185298432]I'm saying that you're holding a very narrow concept of how you wish others to discuss issues - especially with people who don't care whichever way you want to be read.[/quote]you are getting me wrong! i'm saying there are ways of stating your case and swaying the other party without making them loose their sense of self! i'm a legal practitioner my dear, i do that for a living!!

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=64699.msg1321667#msg1321667 date=1185298432]Come home closer: those who have seen "tolerance" were busy drinking their capuccinos in well airconditioned oval offices when bombs were being set off by jihadists right in their courtyards.[/quote]some who have seen no telerance were walking down the street when bombs were been set off from parked vehicles!!!

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=64699.msg1320766#msg1320766 date=1185288792]@Aproko,

And your point is. . .?

An evil perpertrator does not have to scream before he commits his dastard deeds. So, what's the point you're trying to make?[/quote]you asked why the good ones cry out after the dastardly act has been carried out, and i simply replied saying you should consider the fact that they may not have had any idea of the evil being hatched. or do you think people were aware of osama's plot and encouraged it? i think not.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=64699.msg1320766#msg1320766 date=1185288792]Debating issues and creating awareness against the political correctness (read 'hypocricy') that acts only too late is not overbearing. It is the same "political" hypocrisy that feeds the perpertrators of the same problems that the politically correct have to contend with today.[/quote]political correctness i have always read as diplomacy, perhaps i'm too set in my ways to change that opinion. perhaps it is more like a lack of tolerance from those that claim to know all feeds the perpetrators of the problems that the diplomats have to contend with.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=64699.msg1320766#msg1320766 date=1185288792]Why is it the default idea that when Christians debate Islam with Muslims, it has to automatically be interpreted as "rubbishing people's beliefs"? Have you ever cared to look outside the box and see what Muslims do to other people's faith? I must applaud Nairalanders who debate Muslims on tis Forum as being very cordial in contrast to other fora where Muslims have said unprintable things about Christians and Christ! Please, Aproko, don't amuse me.[/quote]an eye for an eye then? perhaps more blindness is in sight _{(with due respect to otuwe's signature)}

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=64699.msg1320766#msg1320766 date=1185288792]Unfortunately, no matter how sanely one tries to present issues, such a person is very quickly written off as 'controversial'. That's why I don't mind anyone using the term at me so long as my primary aim is to demystify the cloudy ideas peppered by those who have made al-taqiyya a veritable part of their tenets.[/quote]my dear on the contrary you can present issues without being written off as controversial. perhaps its not what you are presenting, but the way you are presenting it!!

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=64699.msg1320766#msg1320766 date=1185288792]Matt. 5:16 is one of my fav verses; but I've never sought to pretend that truth cannot be told simply because we aim to let our light shine. For all of the light that righteous people offered, they were still misunderstood and even murdered in some instances. I believe that anyone seriously and objectively examining issues will see exactly what I'm about rather than wonder at how they interpret any verse on my person.

Regards.[/quote]what exactly are you driving at? are you saying the ones that had their light so shine have been murdered in some cases so what the heck? i hope not

anyone seriously and objectively examining issues would see intolerance and not agape love, and i'm very well sure that is not what you are about!!

cheers

dearie, you shouldn't read the Grail Message solely to find loopholes!!! you are reading a work that is addressed solely to the spirit, so if you are not earnestly seeking for the truth but loopholes, no point reading it cos then its not addressed to you.

anyway, have fun

thesilent1:
WHEN i do go to a church its either a local church or any i get invited to.

church is just an overflow for me. most sundays, i take my son to the park we have a family day out; still fellowship

in other words, park with son church

@ poster,

your post doesn't answer your question!!