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she should go with her new guy and if she insists on running away, she should run school and face her studies.

doyenn:
.i'll tell you why christianity isnt a religion

you don't have to tell us what we already know! christainity is no religion, its a way of life.(_{i wonder if you knew that})

bari_kade:
@Aproko,

Another very good question. In reference to what you've stated about the Son of Man, we just have to look into Scripture to be sure who is meant by that appellation; and we can rest our hearts by gathering our answers from the Word.

somehow, i still believe that Isaiah's prophecy in Isaiah 7:14, or Daniel's in Daniel 7,13-14 of the birth of the son of man Immanuel, means the son of man is not Jesus Christ! Immanuel means God with us, while Jesus is the saviour, so i'm still convinced that they are two different people.

the son of man is the one to judge the earth, and jesus spoke about him in John 16:7-14, and since the holy spirit is synonymous with justice, then the holy spirit must be the son of man.

if we read the whole of John 8, I am tempted to say that Jesus tried to tell the Jews and those around him that he is the light of the world (verse 12), so when he goes ahead to say that "when you have lifted up the son of man, then you will know that I am he", I am again convinced that I am he, meant I am the light of the world, and its only in lifting up the son of man/Immanuel/holy spirit would they realise that Jesus was indeed the light of the world.

and why did the jews keep asking who the son of man was? perhaps, it is because they knew jesus christ wasn't the son of man, and they were curious as to the identity of that son of man jesus spoke so much about.

i hope i have been able to state my point as clearly as you always state yours

@ otuwe,

i know we are on the same wave lenght!! have actually been to that thread "how christains pray" and will go back there dont worry.

@ bari_kade,

no where in the bible will you find the son of man expressly mentioned as the holy spirit. but jesus himself made so many references to the son of man that made it obvious he wasn't the son of man!!

i say this because i have noted that when jesus spoke of himself, he says I, i.e, I go to prepare a place for you, I go to the father and ye shall see me no more, verily I say unto you e.t.c, so i'm convinced that when jesus refers to the son of man, he is referring to someone else e.g when the son of man will come, would he find faith on the earth, the list is endless.

besides, the prophecy of the birth of the son of man is in the old testament (i know you can help me fish that one out faster than i can lol), but then again, that prophecy has been confused as the prophecy of the birth of the son of God (would talk more on that one later)

and i'm so relieved you are not one of thsoe that think God was actually cricified too.

rowlandwhy:
Is it based on your per capita income,
or based on how u spend your money?

I know tithe is 1/10 how can one calculate offerings?

LMAO which offering are you reffering to? is it the offering for church development? offering for church generator? offering for church building? thanksgiving offering? 1st or 2nd offering? which one my dear?

man has spirit. this spirit is covered by a cloak called flesh. soul is just an expression coined by the english language to represent the human entity or being i.e both flesh and spirit.

Everbright:
A preacher analysed it this way:

what about your own analysis?

bari_kade:
Who is the Holy Spirit?

There are so many answers and understanding that people have to this question; and while most of them are based on human inferences, perhaps it might be more helpful to see what Scripture says about Him.

Citing a common example: many people attribute justice to the Holy Spirit while Jesus is ascribed to love. I'm persuaded that this is a grave mistake. Justice and divine judgement come directly from the Father, who commits all these unto the Son. Remember what Jesus said in John 5? "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son . . And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man" (vss. 22 & 27).

i think you are missing some of the connecting dots here. if [b]"justice and divine judgment come directly from the father, who commits al these unto the son, and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the son of man"[/b]i think what you are trying to tell me here is that the son of man has been giving the authority to carry out justice, thus the son of man (which i have come to realise is the holy spirit) is indeed saddled with the responsibility of judgment and justice!!

so what then is the grave mistake if we seem to be saying the same thing?only you have pointed out the bible verses (am so proud of you for fishing out these bible verses )

bari_kade:
So then, because the Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) are inseparable in love, justice and judgement, I think it's a grave mistake to arrogate just one role or element to just one of them. So, who is the Holy Spirit?

the concept of the trinity is a whole new topic on its own. but then this leads me to some questions of my own.

claiming that the trinity is inseparable and that a part of the trinity cannot play a particular role is like saying the Almighty God and the Holy Spirit were crucified on the cross of calvary along with Jesus Christ, after all they cannot be separated. is that what you are trying to say? that God the father and Holy Spirit walked the earth at the same time? i need clarity on that one.

@ bari_kade,

you would never disapoint me!!!do you carry these bible verses around?

@ poster,

nossycheek:
I secretly made a vow to give to God. Does it mean giving to the poor?

and does it mean giving to the church? bari_kade has pointed it out to you. matt 25:40 - if you give to somebody in need, you have also given to God. don't make your vow rigid my dear.

segebee:
or Jesus is a Liar

that one is so funny, , never heard that version before!i've actually learnt so much on this thread.

@ bari_kade,

please give me the bible verse of that one (i.e calling jesus a liar).

mcube:
why not. so far she takes good care of herself.

there some 29+ ladies that are very attractive than a 20+ lady so don't be deceived by age.

word!

@ poster,

she would probably do it again. perhaps she doesn't take you as seriously as you take her. so move on and find someone you can trust cos sometimes, trust is even more important than love.

you can kill in self defence, even human laws will pardon you on that one.

teddyface:
but they can give it out easily to their spouse

says who?

you said you would give an amount to the Lord and not to the church, so as long as you are giving to the Lord, you can give anywhere, it doesn't even have to be the church you attend, it may not necessarily be to a church!!!

as for paying instalmentally, well i guess you can, i'm sure the Lord would not appreciate your stealing just to give to him

firstborn:
faith, why is it a hard thing? why is it that christians find it hard to say what they believe, why is it that christians say one thing and do the opposite. why can't we stand on what we believed instead of on circumstances??

because many christains take christainity as a religion and not as a way of life. they tel you they are christains meanwhile their works say something else. so by their works you shall know them. any body that claims to be a christain and cannot act like one is simply not a christain and should not be taken seriously.

the law of balance.

this is so simple and yet so difficult. in life, everything must be balanced. there must be giving as well as receiving, you must breathe in as well as breathe out, you must eat all the classes of food (i.e balanced diet), the list is endless. when you upset these balance, you are goin against the laws of the holy spirit and you must face the consequences. e.g when you eat too much carbohydrate, or too much protein e.t.c you have a side effect. when you dont give, you do not expect to receive.

the law of sowing and reaping

you must sow rice to reap rice, you must sow wheat to reap wheat. likewise you must sow good to reap good and vice versa. so whatever you do, you must reap the consequences times over. again when you do not obey this law, you are going against the will of the holy spirit which is made manifest in these laws.

the law of cycle

here, everything must come back to the originator. so when you do something evil and think you have gotten away with it, my dear you havent just yet.all of mans actions i.e words, thoughts, actions or deeds must return to the originator, the cycle must be complete. so before yo go ahead and do evil, always remember that it will come back to you, probably worse than you metted out.

the law of gravity

again, very simple. whatever goes up must come down. if you are heavy , you sink if you are light, you float. thus if you are heavy with sin, you find yourself descending into the nether regions and if you are light (i.e blameless before god) you find yourself floating into the regions of light.

there are other laws that govern creation, but these are the most popular. that is why i hold the view that you dont need to have read the bible to stay away from blasphemy (cos a lot of people have read the bible and still cannot satisfactorily explain the concept of blasphemy against the holy spirit). if you live your life by obeying the will of God, i.e these laws that govern creation, you will never blasphem against the holy spirit or grieve him

stimulus:
While we're thinking on this question, I hope people are making adequate arrangement for the journey? Don't just discuss where to go; also think of how to arrive there in honour O!

LMAO

saints_1:
Hmmm,After review,Am so glad that a topic like this has being raused and thanks for the answers so far.
Nevertheless i will lov to ask these questions;

1.What really is the Holy Spirit.
2.What are types or examples of sin that would make me condem for life.(Types)

Thanks and God Bless,Let them keep coming.

my own little understanding of this topc and questions alike

1. what is really the holy spirit?

the holy spirit is a part of the Almighty, and is the arm of justice, while jesus christ is the arm of love. the activities of the holy spirit are manifested in the immutable laws that govern creation. a transgression against these laws amounts to a sin against the holy spirit which cannot be forgiven because it must be expiated or redeemed or atoned for. hence the words of the bible that sin against God and the son of God can be forgiven, but not blasphemy against the holy ghost (mathew 12:31-32, Mark 3:29)

the work of the holy spirit lies in the incorruptible laws of creation. these laws includes the law of sowing and reaping, the law of balance, the law of cycle, the law of gravity, the law of attraction of homogenious species.

2. what are the types and examples of sin that would make me condemned for life?

from the above, the answer to this question is simple. going against these laws that governs creation is synonymous with blasphemy against the holy spirit, thus you must atone for your sins, the arm of justice will surely catch up with you.

before i go on to explain these laws, it will interest you to know that if in future a person heeds and obeys the laws that governs creation/the laws of the holy spirit instead of opposing them, the Grace of God which rest in these laws will always be with him.

now for the laws that govern creation/laws of the holy spirit, i will go on to take them one at a time starting with the law of balance. when i return (have to go now).

@ kashif,

you dont have to be sad. yes, foreign investors have bought into mb. analyst use to predict N5 as share price but as you can see it has exceeded N5. i think insurance stocks will be trading much higher next year. if you think you have made enough profit, by all means go ahead and sell and dont look back. but if you want it to be a long term buy, then you may want to hold on a bit longer.

am no expert, just gut feelings.

@ ricadelide,

quite busy now, so i'll reply your post later, but i want you to think about this -

ricadelide is male. wether it is said on nairaland or koboland, ricadelide is a male and that is the truth. my point, the truth is universal, wether being spoken by a christain or a non christain as it were, now when we start to have distorted versions of a story, somebody must be missing something right?

the truth is universal, the lord's prayer which i happen to rely on has been said everywhere i go, therefore the lord's prayer must contain the truth as to how jesus taught us to pray while he walked the earth.

when we start to have different versions of thesame story, people are tempted to ask which is the truth.
when we have a problem with translation from hebrew to english, again i insist that some truth will be distorted. if you like you can say a word in the three nigerian languages and you would be rest assured that when it is being interpreted it will not come out thesame.

now this doesnt mean the writers of the bible were lied to, it simply means each has written things down as he understood it.

gagged and killed by spain? i thought spain was a country? when did spain become somebody?

@ topic,

spanish authorities say the man had a criminal record of murder, rape and assault both in Nigeria and Spain. he was gagged because he was assaulting the officers and airline officials. and they believed he swallowed the restraining gag!!!

though i dont think people should be treated like animals, wether white or black, but i just wander if this particular fellow wasn't asking for it!!!

you are 12 and she is 11, you had better pick your books and read instead of comming to nairaland romance section.

wolexinno:
somebody that will love me for who I am with all her heart.

and who are you?

maybe when you say who you are and what you have to offer, you may get more positive responses. good luck in your search.

@ charka,

charka:
I'D ADVISE You DONT LEAD PPLE ASTRAY WITH YOUR EXPLANATION. WE ARE SO LAZY SPIRITUALLY THAT WE DONT WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING ON THIS EARTH.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE WILL OF GOD IS. YOU FIRST OF STRIVE TO KNOW HIS WILL THEN You STRIVE TO LIVE ACCORDING TO THAT WILL

thank you!!

@ricadelide,

perhaps you didn't understand my answer. i said i was not christlike, because once in a while, i do fall short of being christlike. jesus christ was and remains an examplary human being dont you think? i repeat, i strive to be christlike it means unlike a lot of people, i dont pretend that i am super human, i learn about christ every day, and in a world that is filled with the good, the bad and the ugly, being christlike is more than declaring it, you must live it!!!christainity for me is a way of life and not a religion.

to the question am i a christain? again i say no.

jesus gave the lord's prayer, at least i saw that in my bible. and are you being deceived by your bibles? thats for you to answer my dear.

what i said and i say again is that if the writer of hebrew was not there when jesus christ was praying and the sweat was like drops of blood, how did he know? who told him?

jesus christ himself never wrote down anything!!!!!!mathew, mark, and luke were not there during the transfiguration, so how did they know about it? simple, they were told.

i the 'non christain' have not given any yardstick as to how christains should pray, i only said if jesus has given a model prayer why do i have to jump and shout?if that is seen as being pompous, hey thats your 2 cents. this is a forum for opinions afterall, but i know i'm one of the most humble people you'd ever meet.

@ bari_kade,

thanks for the simple english, i actually feel much better.

now i have another question. is there anybody that has been found guilty of blasphemy in the bible? and if blasphemy is pronouncing the holy spirit as unclean, is it really possible to blasphem?

@ olowo tee,

you havent answered my question. is heaven only for those that have come across the bible? are you implying that those in remote areas that can barely read are doomed?

@ topic,

personally, i think the problem of the niger delta can be traced to the land use act of 1978 and other legislations that came into force as a result of the discovery of the black gold.

and the reason why that problem has remained so is corruption. once you can eliminate corruption at the top and at the grass root, you'd be shocked at how much things can really improve in that region.

i wonder what one man wants to do with so many houses!!! how many would he live in at once? why cant people learn to rip only where they have sown? na wah oh!!

has your friend should try access bank, i think they are still taking corpers. hope your friend had a 2:1 though cos thats part of the criteria

OlowoTee:
@Topic[/b]It is the refusal to yeild to the Spirit's call to repentance either before death or rapture. Such an act is Unpardonnable and the concerned person will have to face the consequence of eternal damnation in hell. No forgiveness in the grave.

Also when a once professed Christian backslides and gets into a state of [b]Apostasy. It's a state of 'No return'

not everybody in this world is a christain you know. there are still traditionalist, atheist, satanist e.t.c so how do people that do not believe in this spirit identify the spirit when it calls? or are you implying that only those that have come across the bible have a fair chance of heaven?