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gregyboy:
I studied Geography the possibilities benins migrated into those areas is very slim, there is high probability that the yoruba people did the migration that will take place in benin would be within nigeria and not outside it

Dont see me as an hater of my own people because am saying the truth, i just love the truth than the lies


Yea you meant edo sounding names in other africa countries but we also have edo sounding names in Japan too can we now call them edo migrant
Yea, which africa countries wouldnt want to associate thier ethnic group, to a country that was named after a small tribe, i guess everyone would want to....

You can take a nigerian map and an african map and compare areas in nigeria which border other African countries you will see, they are more yorubas and the northern people, edo on the otherhand borders the ocean


I staged you on the fact of benin and ife relationship and i gave you books to read to see for yourself, benin-ife never had any relationship
Oduduwa was just a political staged stunt pulled by both oba of benin and alafin of oyo against ooni of ife, which later turned against oba of benin

Samuk
Davidnazee
Ghostwon

Where was Orhogbua when news of his father's demise go to him? Which river in Africa was he at?
Lagos is far from Benin by those days standards. Why was it not planted by nearby Ijebu or Egba that planted their monarchy and organised Lagos?
Why will Ghana now be the one they reach first?

By your logic some would say Benin were not seafaring people and could not have reached Lagos. But there is clear evidence Benin did.

Yoruba want us to believe Oduduwa came from Egypt or Mesopotamia or Israel yet Benin cannot reach Ghana? Really?

Benin had Ozigue (majorly Ijaw people) at it's disposal.

As for Benin reaching out to Ga and others, I won't reveal more details despite being goaded to. Because it seems many want to double-cross.

I heard of Ooni visit to claim Ga before. But I didn't believe it. I guess the clip upload here is probably it. I still have not watch it. I write in between a busy schedule.

Let everyone do their own reaching out. Let the truth win in the end.

I do not need a map. I have travelled that area: Ivory Coast, Ghana, Togo and Benin is like backyard to me.

I did not study geography. But by class 4 we knew the capitals of all American States, capital of all African states, and much of regional geography. Complete with maps.

Be it ship building in Japan, logging in New Foundland, sheep farming in New Zealand, etc.

So profound was our secondary geography that a geography graduate of nowadays will have to be careful challenging the level of then.

Let me stop not to come across as showing off.

samuk:
What Benin history are doing to some people on this thread is unbelievable. First, I took the debates/arguments as a friendly banter, but I am now really worried and praying that some people don't end up bursting a vein or an artery.

The rates at which they jump into any historical accounts of Benin to discredit them is shocking, including those that have quoted from history books that contain the accounts they are discrediting.

I noticed someone else has just joined the fray and stocking ethnic fire from the east on the account of what Dr Azikiwe wrote in his autobiography.

You would have thought that these people should have problems with Zik on the book he authored himself but instead they are having issues with Benin that never contributed to the book nor co-authored it.

The reeling out of Benin past glories from European historical books and archives seems to be causing so much heartaches in some people. They don't seem to be taking it well.

Every historical account they try to discredit is replaced with another revelation of great achievement.

From Benin/Ife relationship, the debate moved on to:

1. The Benin military machine
2. Benin/Oyo relationship
3. Benin/eastern Yoruba relationship
4. Benin occupation of Lagos as far back as 1603 5. Benin architecture
6. Street lights
7. The Benin Wall with very few to equal the achievement in the world and certainly incomparable to no man made structure in Africa
8. The Benin artworks that adores museums across the world
9. The very advanced and sophisticated complex administrative system of government.
10. Bight of Benin from which republic of Benin took it's name.

And much more.

As all these historical accounts and achievements are being revealed, all you see are comments and reactions filled with hate and jealousy from those that want to steal the history and facing resistance to those that have nothing to showcase from their past.

History is history, there are nothing these people can do about it. The fact remains that Benin remains the only place in Nigeria with perhaps the oldest and most comprehensive written historical eyewitness accounts.

Europeans have been writing and documenting Benin history for almost 600 years and there are thousands of Benin artworks across the globe showcasing the civilisation that these ignorant bigots are working tirelessly to diminished, downplay and undermined.

Benin have more than enough in European archives and museums for future generations to educate themselves on, so the nonsense here on nairaland hardly count, any efforts made here to distort Benin illustrious history will only amount to exercise in futility because Benin history is a global history

Benin written history is over four hundred years ahead of it's competitors.

People are free to open a thread to glorify and reminisce their past rather than starting threads to exercise their bigotry towards Benin.

Bruv, what people do not realize is that dissing Benin empire just bring out more details about Benin. There are many silent readers here.

Discerning minds will wonder why some people of other tribes are now so avowed to denigrate Benin history. They just begin threads just for that purpose. Including those written centuries ago and more recent ones.

It's like those people who have their nude pictures released on-line to spite them. So it surprisingly turns them into stars. If people dissing Benin think they want to denigrate Benin, they are achieving the total opposite.

TAO11:
And those people of Togo and Ghana have defined themselves.

So let them be the Yorubas they claimed they are in peace.

Oh for sure!

My Ga (from Accra area of Ghana) inlaws who claimed Benin ancestry about 25 years without being prompted and anyone claiming anything should be allowed to define themselves. The current Ga people claiming Benin should be allowed too. We are not competing for Olympic Medals.

Late President Gnasigbe Eyadema and his people of Togo who traced their roots to Edo almost 50 years ago, should also be allowed. Oba of Lagos (both the departed Oba Oyekan & current Oba Akiolu) should be allowed.

At the end, that's how it should be. I believe no objective person should have any problem with that.

TAO11:
Bro, with due respect I think you've read too much of websites like "edo-nation", "edoworld" "edoblog", etc.

There is no evidence that even suggests any such tribal connection between Benin kingdom and Togo or Ghana. It's one of the many jokes by those aforementioned websites.

Language is a key factor that quickly indicates such connection if any. But Edoid languages aren't spoken by any group (or sub-group) as an indigenous language anywhere outside of Nigeria.

Not only that, those people themselves don't talk of any such connection. And there is no reason why they would normally want to actively disconnect themselves from their own history if it were the case.

In contrast, an Ife subgroup known simply as the Ife people (or sometimes the Ana people) are still found till date in Togo with their proud Yoruba identity.

The Ga people of Ghana (whom the aforementioned edo websites often claim Benin kingdom to have tribal connection with) actually have something else to say.

See the attachment below. For some strange reasons I am not allowed to post those words here directly.

In fact, the Ooni of Ife was seen recently in Ghana to install a particular tribal King there. I will post a link to the video if I find it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd7ZUEvhyRc

Cheers!

I made a simple submission. That we should let people define themselves.

I read a few first lines and I did not watch the video clip. I heard Ooni visited Ghana and gave some titles at one time? Is that the video clip? Is that true? I am way to busy to follow every thing everyone comes up with. 9 years of doing so is a long time.

But let people define themselves. That was my message to Meles.

Oh dear. Things do happen.

MelesZenawi:
I think at this point, you guys should call it a quit but few points has been established..

1. The history of Bini is not complete without the mention of Yorubas

2. The history of Yorubas aren't complete without the mention of of Binis.

3. Both without further argument has both ancestry more reason the argument draws longer and also points to one thing always

4. Both without bias are just brothers , same people just with different names.

5. Both are just one people , one blood and that's why it is hard to argue the matter.

Finally....Yoruba and binis are just blood brothers with different names due to age long movement.


Let the argument end as these facts has been established.

cc


gregyboy
TAO11
Samuk
geosegun
Hbrid99
davidnazee
AreaFada2
SilverSniper

Well, thank you Mr Meles. First this was a thread began by a Yoruba person.

While Benin people generally feel comfortable with both East & West, and culture has flowed both ways over the centuries, Benin and Yoruba are genetically and philologically different people. Like royalties across the world over millenniums, the royal houses clearly have blood links.

Benin therefore are not junior or senior to anyone in modern times. Even imperial exploits do not necessarily confer seniority in modern times. For example it's entirely up to Olu of Warri & Oba of Lagos families how they want to relate to Benin. While both currently consider Oba of Benin as sitting on their father's throne (I can forward links of Olu & Eleko saying so in videos if anybody wants), in 100 years their descendants can deny it and we would be fine with that too.

You will hardly ever see Benin starting threads to claim seniority. History is what it is. History. But equally Benin will not take distortion of history without a robust reply.

Anyone out to wage supremacy war has only set out to fail. It's fundamental human desire for people to choose their affiliation and how they want to define and express themselves.

As of now, we are reaching out to people we believe we have historical links with. From Niger Delta, to Lagos to Togo/Ghana. It's up to those people to confirm their kinship with us based on their own history passed on to them by their forebears. That's has been the case largely in Bayelsa & Rivers. Not by force.

Going forward, I respect how passionately people care about promotion of their culture. At the end. everyone learns from it. Hopefully that builds mutual respect irrespective of agreement or disagreement.

IDENNAA:
Zik's story didn't match the realities on the ground. Onicha has always been Igbos , this is an undisputed fact by all historians who know their onion. Stop behaving ignorant because of sentiments. At no point were Onicha people ever of Bini ancestry....no traces , proof or jack...nada ma nigga

Same thing we are saying. You know reality on ground and everything else than what Dr Zik saw in his over 91 years in this world.

You be real MVP. Clap for yourself sir.

When politicians selfishly siphoned the commonwealth, promoted thuggery for political & election rigging purposes, the chicken eventually comes home to roost.

Well, at least Goodluck Jonathan & FKk are still there to blame for it.

Lol.
There is no instruction manual. Some men rely on their girlfriend's connections to secure contracts. Or no money to fund family, wife or mum.
Try telling such a guy to put his girlfriend at the bottom.

Different strokes for different folks. The order can shift at anytime depending on circumstances.

lionness:
many pray the covid19 shee should kill many people in lagos...
sad what we wish for ourselves in this country...

Really?

Who doesn't have people in Lagos?
Even the worst tribalist would be foolish to wish that.

noblealuu:
Medical Lab. Scientists should be drafted, trained and get to work asap. This lockdown is hitting hard on the people.

I fear any further extension after the second 14days. People might likely revolt.

It's quite a pity that we have many biochemists, microbiologists, molecular biologists and others to do a great job using modern tech but we just go to sleep as usual.

At least this governor is proving to have an eye amongst a sea of totally blind leaders.

Cha! He just go enter police trap.
To carry 9ja kpale na big crime already. You come go dey show yourself.

I believe the guy stayed too long on her. When she asked him to stop, he didn't.

Refusing to stop in most parts of Europe is tape. The lady just added violence story to spice it up. Because some countries require violence to have been involved to press a strong case.

I just pity the guy. To oyinbo rape and murder are the two biggest crimes.

Well, this is something govts in most countries have clearly defined. What help private companies can get to keep paying most of the salary or the help/welfare benefits citizens will get if companies or employers must lay off staff during this crisis. Sure a small minority of employees fall through the qualification cracks short term, but that will be sorted.

The need for a better welfare planning is now urgent. A high number of Nigerians are on the bread line even in normal times. Just two weeks of lockdown has now shown just how serious food security problem is.

A serious locust infestation or famine across 9ja one day would create a similar problem. You can import food but farmers may not have money to buy. The scenario of Ethiopia in the 1980s is not impossible.

Lol.

Good attempt but ultimately people will have to democratically decide where they want to belong. And how the want to co-exist.

Via a plebiscite.

A new complex re-organisation cutting across countries and official French/English/ Spanish language areas would be difficult.

Aside South West Nigeria, division along religious lines would even be better. Since religion will remain a divisive matter until the end of the world.

An African super-State where each tribal group above 250k people or any figure to be agreed on will have 80% autonomy would work better. A loose confederation of African people.

samuk:
Metaphysical,

You seems to be pursuing your history of Benin as if you have problems and issues with the Benin people, what did they do to you that makes you so angry to be reading your history upside down.

Which Edo told you they migrated out of Onitsha.

It's Onitsha and other western Igbos that claimed to have migrated out of Benin.

Olaudah Equiano actually said his Ibo town was under the rule of Oba of Benin.

Below is what Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe said in his autobiography about how his Onitsha people left Benin.

Find yourself a copy of Nnamdi Azikiwe autobiography and history of Onitsha people to read.
Below is an extract.

Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Genealogy and Nativity

"Thus, in tracing my paternal lineage, I could say that both parents of my father are direct descendants of Eze Chima. As for me, I can trace my paternal ancestry in this wise: I am the first son of Chukwuemeka, who was the third child and first son of Azikiwe, who was the second son of Molokwu, who was the third son of Ozomaocha, who was the second son of Inosi Onira, who was the fourth son of Dei, the second son of Eze Chima, the founder of Onitsha." SOURCE - Nnamdi A zikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity" p4 "I can trace my maternal ancestry thus: I am the first son of Nwanonaku Rachel Chinwe Ogbenyeanu (Aghadiuno)Azikiwe, who was third daughter of Aghadiuno Ajie, the fifth son of Onowu Agbani, first daughter of Obi Udokwu, the son who descended from five Kings of Onitsha. Five of these rulers of Onitsha were direct lineal descendants of Eze Chima, who led his warrior adventurers when they left Benin to establish the Onitsha city state in about 1748 AD." SOURCE - Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity" p5 "One day I asked her (grandmother) the meaning of the word 'Onitsha'. She explained that it had historical significance. The terminology meant one who despised another. It is a contraction of two words, Onini to despise, and Ncha meaning others. So that the two words when joined together mean one who despises others. Then I asked her why we despised others. She patted me on the back and told me that it was due to our aristocratic background and tradition. I insisted that she should explain to me the basis of this supercilious social attitude. She told me that we despised others because we descended from the Royal House of Benin and so regarded ourselves as the superiors of other tribes who had no royal blood in their veins....." "I continued to belabor my grandmother to tell me more of the history and origins of the Onitsha people. She narrated that many many years ago, there lived at Idu (Benin) a great Oba who had many children. Due to a power struggle regarding the right of precedence among princes of the blood and other altercations, there was a civil war in Benin. One day, the supporters of one of the princes insulted and assaulted Queen Asije, the mother of of the Oba of Benin, who was accused of having trespassed on their farmland. Enraged at this evidence of indiscipline and lawlessness, the Oba ordered his war chief and brother, Gbunwala Asije to apprehend and punish the insurgents. In the attempt to penalise them, Chima, the ultimate founder of the Onitsha city-state, a prince of the blood in his own right, led the recalcitrants against his Uncle, Gbunwala. This intensified the civil war which rent the kingdom of Benin in two and led to the founding of Onitsha Ado N'Idu....... ..." "As the great trek from Benin progressed, some did not have the stout heart of the pioneer-warrior, and decided to settle at different places, known today as Onitsha -Ugbo, Onitsha-Olona, Onitsha-Mili, Obior, Issele Ukwu, Ossomari, Aboh, etc..." SOURCE - Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity"

Lol, Oga Samuk, they say Dr Zik nor sabi book o. They say theyknow better. Current young tribalists know better than a man born in 1904, educated in USA and one of most prominent Africans of the 20th century. :

One thing is sure. When the young men in a street, village or town fight over a girl, it's not over the girl with yam leg, k-leg, 5 naira kpoff kpoff breasts or ikebe like a mirror hanging on the wall. Oh no! It's over the beautiful damsel in town. Benin is the beautiful culture everyone likes to claim or attach to. Never mind childish attempts to sneer when rebuffed.

Benin people are very comfortable with both East and West. From centuries of co-existence, much of it peacefully, Benin understand both sides better than most. Benin has no burning animosity towards East or West. But one thing Benin cannot take is either East or West trying to use current population politics as a yardstick to measure history. History is what it is. It cannot be twisted. History doesn't bring cash like crude oil, but it's a people's heritage none the less.

macof:
Leave story. Your moniker is known to detest the yoruba
And when are called out, you will always find one Yoruba relative to talk about, phantom relatives on a faceless forum don't interest most people here
Whether they are French immigrants or Mongolian expatriates is not anyone's concern, but most of all not mine. As long as they are proudly Yoruba and not just 'for mouth'
And contrary to what you think, I don't consider ethnic bashing or hating productive

I see. The reason you guys talk anyhow is because you believe this forum to be totally anonymous.There is nothing like total anonymity. Some researchers have gotten in touch with me based on my posts here.

I can assure it's not as anonymous as you think. There are certainly one or two prominent Nairalanders who know more about me in real life.

For that reason alone I can't make up things here.
If I what I say turns out to be wrong, I would have done so in good faith, believing it to be correct.

I have in the past written enough about my background. Any serious person is free to find out and confront me if false. If I consider here as a truly anonymous forum, I won't waste my time here. I am way too busy. Especially at this time.

If you insist I can refer you to my people there. Or invite you to a festival coming up in a few months. We welcome tourists from within Yorubaland and indeed worldwide. It's only liars with something to hide that would not invite people to their place or not take up invitation. Having taken Westerners to my places of origin, why not a Nigerian?

The problem with immigrants is that in their desperation to belong, they overdo it. To convince themselves. Much the same way many religious converts tend towards extremism and excess zealotry.

macof:
When European sources flatter Bini, you act like European sources are the Holy grail of West African history
But when European sources don't flatter Benin, we begin to hear things like this

There's one of your brothers who has said more damning things about Benin history than any Yoruba, he has called any Benin history not recorded by Europeans lies and myths and on this very forum you are one of his supporters
So deal with what and who needs to be dealt with and stop your bigotry and Yoruba hate
You feel at home in eastern Yorùbáland... Yimu

Yoruba hate? Why? To you guys anyone who is not wholly bashing other tribes on behalf of Yoruba is a hater.

Like Dino, FKK and Afenifere are called Omale.

As a people/family we suffered that under Pa Awo and his supporters decades ago already, not new to us. I wrote about it here a few weeks ago.

That I disagree with the lot of you speculating wildly is not Yoruba hate. In fact I believe the loudest and most insulting people here claiming Yoruba cannot tell us their direct lineage to a second class Oba in Yorubaaland. In fact most are Nupe and Igalla immigrants to Yorubaaland.

My relative on the other hand sits proudly and gallantly as first class king. For centuries now.
No, I do not agree with all European writers of old.

I have seen a couple that appear not to have reached Benin at all but gave a widely off the mark description. Painting Benin as an Islamic empire. Basically forging another Mansa Musa story. I quickly dismissed it however gloriously presented it was. In fact it was Caucasian course mate at university who drew my attention to one such.

Zombiekiller010:
Food with no salt for 8 days for a woman that just gave birth( Yoruba call it obe Ate), i heard if someone dare it, the baby will die

9 days for boy baby and 7 days for girl baby.
Basically 8 and 6 oyinbo week days.

No salt, no pepper, no meat, no oil. Only black soup with uziza.

An Eastern Yoruboid tradition in a small part of Edo State. The consequences used to be severe if not observed. But village dwellers still observe it till now.

It was a curse placed by the warrior prince when his senior oloris maltreated his favourite and young wife when she had a baby. The prince was away at war. The jealous oloris connived to give the new mother poor food against the Prince's instruction to give her sumptuous food.

The prince returned to find her malnourished.
On learning about the maltreatment he placed a curse that all new mothers must eat food without oil, salt, meat, pepper and such for 9 or 7 days depending on baby's gender.

It's not too disimilar to Oba Rengenje and Oronsen case in Owo history. An event celebrated during Igogo festival in Owo every September.

Female adultery is still very serious matter in that part of Edo till now.

Some will label it rubbish especially those without much culture in their place of origin. But seeing is believing. They won't believe since they haven't seen it.

samuk:
It's very important that you get one thing straight about the average Benin person when it comes to their history, it's only the truth that matters.

History to us is not about tribal supremacy, if you view us from this angle, you will miss the point.

We don't care where the truth lead us to, in as far as it's the truth.

Some people just can't wake up one day and begin to write about Benin/Ife relationship when there are no evidence to back it up, no recorded history or oral history for over 500 years to back it up.

If the Yorubas had said Oranmiyan was from Owo, Ekiti or Akure, it would have made more sense because we had both oral and documented history with those palaces.

What we will not accept is to be lumped into some union with fabricated history.

The European are not trying to rewrite our history, it's just that, there are no evidence to support Benin/Ife relationship.

You know that the Orun Oba Ado is a fraud.

The messagers represented by the Benin artwork the Yorubas claim was from Ife bears no resemblance to an Ife person by Nupe/Igala.

That is one thing playing on the mind of some tribes. Supremacy by hook or by crook.
How does the truth, whatever it is make anyone inferior or superior in 2020?

I for one have nothing to loose which ever originates from whom. I am at home in Eastern Yorubaland as I am at home in Benin. And there are many out there like me.

Benin just need the truth. If that means scientific work involving a targeted DNA analysis, so be it.

In fact I have long volunteered my widow's mite towards that. But it seems all people wanted to do is quote European adventurers and tribally based publications than do anything supported by more reliable modern technology.

gregyboy:
You have to prove to us that there was oromiyan

Oba Ewuare at his coronation in 2016 recognised Omonoyan/Oramiyan as the first Oba of the current dynasty. Previously because he wasn't really widely accepted as the King and because he left after some years, he wasn't considered the real founder of the dynasty but his son Eweka I who was born and bred in Benin land and only left the throne upon his demise.

I am not going to disagree with what the Oba has decreed.

Current Oba is a very thorough technocrat by training and prepared for the throne since birth.

Historically the belief is that Oramiyan left Benin to found Oyo Kingdom. That for a long time made the Oba of Benin consider the Alaafin as a brother. Disagreements between both were quite rare. Though of course rivalry existed especially later as Oyo expanded to become an empire.

samuk:
Now, the statement that every new Oba of Benin sort validation from this Ogane, have to be verified to be true, after that we have to sort out the inconsistency in the titles used, monarch and prince which was likened to their supreme pontiff.

Was this a shrine or some sort of Oracle that has to be notified of a new Oba like we still do in Benin.

Even your submission have rubbished the fabrication that dead oba of Benin were exhumed and taken to Ife to be reburied.

This is one of the primary evidence people like TAO11 and other Yorubas based their arguments of Benin/Ife connections.

We are now fairly sure that this Ogane if any was not the Ooni of Ife and not the Atta of Igala as you suggested.

In the absence of any strong evidence to back up another powerful king and kingdom in 15c and 16 centuries, my hunch is that your source was probably referring to an Oracle or a shrine somewhere in the old Benin kingdom which I already alluded to in another thread but until further research is done, I will not give you guys the opportunity to distract from the search of true history of old Benin.

Most of you guys are not here for true history but tribal supremacy, that's not history, history should be a search of the truth and shared heritage that should be celebrated.

Are you not curious that in the 400 years of European contact with Benin, they didn't find it curious or necessary to visit this almighty Ogane.

You have summed it up. That's the fact. It's the result of the worsened tribalism. The youth are far worse tribalists. You would have though NYSC, more exposure and travelling would. Since 1967, outbreak of Biafra War. Ultimately, it what endangers our collective co-existence. When you think you are a big tribe and you can beat chest and condescend on the culture and history of others out of hubris and spoiling for a fight, then it's waste of time.
Samuk, they claim is irrelevant, but they create thread upon thread about Benin. That shows only one thing: OBSESSION.

Not surprising because where else do you see a people whose morning salutation tells the history of family clan? Where tradition has been preserved undiluted despite been the first to encounter Christianity, where every nook and cranny of the Kingdom tells a story? Where history lives and breathes? Where a monarchy was revived with vigour despite the machinations of the British?

Benin is pretty unique.

Too many people that have no business living in cities live in cities. That's why we have so much crimes.

Cities are very unforgiving if you have no cash.

Most are better off living in small towns where they can farm, herdsmen permitting.

The whole sex thing is over-rated. From a guy's perspective most non-sexual friendships are more rewarding than sexual. Even more over rated now that it's one way or another cash for sex.

A platonic friend will race with alacrity to assist you while a sexual gf will be forming madam and doing sme sme.

There is also more mutual respect when she does not see your unclothedness.

Once a girl becomes a close friend I never introduce sex into it. When sex comes in, it can sour. I prefer the normal friendship to endure instead.

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Doctor2020:
He is old enough.

At 56?

Before you know it, you will be approaching that age.

Do you know that many people marry around 35 to 40 years old, especially educated ones? If he married around that age, his kids will be below 20 still. Think about that.

samuk:
Amen and keep safe while you do your bit for humanity.

Thanks sir. Stay safe too

samuk:
The truth is most of them can't reason and think at this level, education to them is the ability to write few sentences in English irrespective of how illogical and the use of uncouth and foul languages.

Every now and then, their less informed supporters will resurrect from nowhere to applaud them to keep them going.

I am just having a bit of fun to kill some boredom due to the lockdown.

Lol. Lucky you. Sadly I am one of those working flat out at this period. God help us.

TAO11:
Thank God you just admitted to have lied when you once boldly suggested that Benin is older than Ife.

I'm glad you just ate it back that there is no such result from Benin.

Moreover, the earlier an establishment of a group of people, the more the productive capacity of the group as compared to new comers.

Having said that, the dating result from Ife to the 4th century BC specifically mentions that "many settlements" were already established in Ife at the time.

So, now remove the village picture that clogged your mind about Ife at that early date, and stamp it on Benin at that early date. Good boy!


Now regarding your merry-go-round imaginations, name me one fairy tale civilization and functioning society in Benin ar any date (with evidence oo --- not audio like your lie about Guinness ), that has not being achieved by Ife centuries before.

Let's go!

Anyone how you spin it, Benin is baby. I'm waiting!!

Lie? What lie? Of course Benin is older than Ife. Not even close. Your audio 4BC Ife claim is every bit as audio as Lai Mohammed's "we have technically defeated Boko Haram".

I admit no such thing. I have argued this years back. I cannot be doing this with every upstart who comes along.

Do not call me a boy. I know you are disrespectful but do not go there. I briefly met Maj. Gen. Buhari as head of States in 1984. When he was touring Nigeria. So do not go there.

Something else: I grew up in a household of journalists and writers. People who wrote and lectured this history you are talking about. So I am not easily impressed by publications.

samuk:
You are smart enough to know that humanity started in Africa and archaeological surveys of most parts of Africa would probably reveal settlement that are old as thousands of years.

So archaeological surveys of any African village means very little compared to the discovery of actual flourishing civilisation and a functioning society with advanced and complex systems of government.

Such civilisation was what was witnessed and recorded in Benin by Europeans 600 years ago not some dirt and stones that were dug out of the ground in Ife in 1969.

What she forgets is that new discoveries push the boundaries of knowledge and we know very little about the world still.

A few decades back a molecular biology prof would stride in the auditorium confident about the "Central Dogma of Molecular Biology": DNA makes RNA makes protein. Let this be your take away message if anything, he would say.

Then came retroviruses like HIV and rubbished that dogma.

People interpret the Bible to suggest that humans are only 6,000 years old. But human fossils found in the Afar Region of Ethiopia have rubbished that. Man has been way over 100,000 years earlier.

But here they think they already know it all because of some publications.

I have argued my point for about 9 years here. I have no time to dissipate on "generation after generation" of them.

babtoundey:
A four-letter word is what you are, sir. FOOL. Privileged fool. because there were instances of recorded war between Igala, Nupe and Benin, then Benin must have come originated from either of them .Tell us, which of the two conquered you, foist on you Oranmiyan, Eweka, Oba, iyaaba, Ogun, ailala Olokun and co? Nupe or Igala?

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So all that education and sophistication you guys speak of is just the art of foul language and insult? How uncouth.

Which war did anyone win to foist Oranmiyan on Benin? After winning a war against Benin, Oranmiyan still could not enter Benin City but resided in a village (Egor) outside Benin throughout? And it took three Obas later to get into center of Benin to erect the current palace?

If you say you are educated, let it at least show in your manners.

How can Benin originate from Nupe or Igala? On what cultural, royal tradition, philological or historical basis? Do you know that relationship between peoples are studied by experts? That for example The Fins are closely related to Hungarians and not their Nordic neighbours like the Danes and Swedes?

Tribal hubris doesn't make anyone look smart these days. Knowledge is out there for those who truly seek it. Yes, it takes decades to do but worth it.

It's one thing to be foul-mouthed on a anonymous forum. Making sense is another.

Okay.